*Of course, it's NOT cowardly Seattle Archbishop finger-in-the-wind... but it's about time!
Catholic Bishop Publishes Extraordinary Letter Re: "Obstinate" Kennedy's Abortion Support
Tobin says to Kennedy, "Your position is unacceptable to the Church and scandalous to many of our members"
PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island, November 11, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - After getting a public rebuke from his own bishop over abortion advocacy, Rep. Patrick Kennedy has refused to dialogue any further, calling it "very disconcerting" that his bishop would publicly declare he is not a Catholic in good standing.
The Providence Journal reports that Kennedy - the son of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy - stated he was "not going to dignify with an answer" the public rebuke published by Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin that stated Kennedy could not consider himself a Catholic in good-standing and still support abortion.
Kennedy had earlier asserted in an Oct. 29 letter - the latest public back-and-forth between him and Bishop Tobin - that, "The fact that I disagree with the hierarchy on some issues does not make me any less of a Catholic."
Although the two men were scheduled to meet on Thursday to discuss Kennedy's abortion support, Bishop Tobin viewed Kennedy's assertion as a bridge too far, saying it "deserves a public response, lest it go unchallenged and lead others to believe it's true."
In a public letter released in the diocesan newspaper on Monday - just two days after Kennedy voted in the House against adding the Pitts-Stupak amendment to the health-care bill - the Catholic prelate made clear that disagreeing with the bishops on a "grave matter" like abortion "certainly does diminish their ecclesial communion, their unity with the Church."
"[I]f you don't accept the teachings of the Church your communion with the Church is flawed, or in your own words, makes you 'less of a Catholic,'" insisted Tobin, pointing to Church documents, Sacred Scripture, and Church Tradition to back him up.
Tobin also addressed the question of whether Kennedy could be considered a Catholic on a practical level.
"Do you accept the teachings of the Church on essential matters of faith and morals, including our stance on abortion? Do you belong to a local Catholic community, a parish? Do you attend Mass on Sundays and receive the sacraments regularly? Do you support the Church, personally, publicly, spiritually and financially?"
The bishop continued, "In your letter you say that you 'embrace your faith.' Terrific. But if you don't fulfill the basic requirements of membership, what is it exactly that makes you a Catholic? Your baptism as an infant? Your family ties? Your cultural heritage?"
Tobin also rejected Kennedy's defense that his advocacy of abortion fell into the same "imperfect humanity" that has to wrestle with "sins such as anger, pride, greed, impurity or dishonesty."
"We all struggle with those things, and often fail," Tobin said. However, rejecting the Church's teaching on abortion, the bishop said, "falls into a different category - it's a deliberate and obstinate act of the will; a conscious decision that you've re-affirmed on many occasions."
"Sorry, you can't chalk it up to an 'imperfect humanity.' Your position is unacceptable to the Church and scandalous to many of our members. It absolutely diminishes your communion with the Church."
The Bishop of Providence, nonetheless, invited Kennedy "to enter into a sincere process of discernment, conversion and repentance" and offered his personal assistance if the Congressman requested it.
"It's not too late for you to repair your relationship with the Church, redeem your public image, and emerge as an authentic 'profile in courage,' especially by defending the sanctity of human life for all people, including unborn children," concluded Tobin. "And if I can ever be of assistance as you travel the road of faith, I would be honored and happy to do so."
Tobin's response looks like it may be the last word in the public debate between Kennedy and him. Kennedy brusquely told the Providence Journal that he was "not going to dignify with an answer" Tobin's public letter, adding, "I'm not going to engage [in] this anymore."
Kennedy's meeting with Bishop Tobin has been postponed for now, although Kennedy indicated he was willing to resume provided that matters of faith remained "between us."
The Providence Diocese told the Journal that the bishop was only responding to Kennedy's public comments, and that if the Congressman wanted to meet with Tobin on Thursday, the bishop would be available.
Read Bishop Tobin's complete letter here.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09111110.html
Pay ATTENTION Gregoire, Murray, Cantwell, Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Dodd, Durbin, Leahy, Landrieau, Harkin, DeFazio, Dingell, Gillibrand, Kucinich, Rangel, et al.
UPDATED!!! November 22, 2009
Kennedy: Barred from Communion
WASHINGTON -- Providence Bishop Thomas J. Tobin has forbidden Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy to receive the Roman Catholic sacrament of Holy Communion because of his advocacy of abortion rights, the Rhode Island Democrat said Friday."The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion," Kennedy said in a telephone interview. ... Read the rest...
Posted by RagnarDanneskold at November 11, 2009 06:10 PM | Email This
From the Catechism (CCC):
CCC 2266-2267 address capital punishment.
CCC 2270-2275 address abortion
CCC 2307-2317 address war
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/fifth.html
HTH
Posted by: Big Tex on November 12, 2009 09:45 AM"Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.'
The same is true of war: self-defense is allowed, but that's it.
And that's not "debate"... that's pretty clear-cut doctrine, in fact. The only difference is that conservatives love to twist religion around when it suits them, and to ignore inconsistencies when religion just gets in the way.
Posted by: demo kid on November 12, 2009 10:25 AMhttp://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09111308.html
"Excommunication is provided in the Code of Canon Law for those who cooperate actively in the practice of abortion," Bishop Martinez Camino stated in an AFP report.He said Catholics cannot support the legalization of abortion and if they do "they will objectively find themselves in a public state of sin and may not be admitted to Holy Communion."
While "the Church cannot judge their subjectivity," he added, those who "directly collaborate" in or promote abortion incur excommunication.
If the Embryo is Human, It is a Person: Vatican Doctrine Official
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09111307.html
The SUBJECT is probort politician who claim to be Catholic.... and the fact that finally there are Bishops who are publicly calling them on their sinfullness and disbedience.
Whether you agree with the Church, whether you like Church doctrine is irrelevant. It is what it is and what it always has been. Those phony Catholics are not coerced into joining the Catholic Church nor are they forced to remain; they are however obligated to obey to remain in good standing. Cowardly Bishops like Archbishop Brunett enable them to continue to deceive themselves. I hope they find their special place in hell for the fact that they abuse thier positions of power to mislead people in what it means to BE a Catholic.
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