1. Gee...Who would have thought?...Commented the Liberal.

Posted by: Daniel on October 29, 2009 07:54 AM

2. So let me get this straight... both California and South Carolina are willing "to give away the store", and you support that?

Posted by: demo kid on October 29, 2009 10:49 AM

3. demo,

of course he does.

it will force the state to have even less money to spend on infrastructure, education, etc.

nothing less than destruction of a functioning society seems to be the endgame.

Posted by: mike on October 29, 2009 11:10 AM

4. Let's see...m/dk/mbs strongly appear to be one and the same. Could it be? Just, a thought. Do you think that these people, one and all, work for Government? Perhaps. Nevertheless, they don't seem to realize or care that Government has long ago began taking more from Society than the value of services rendered. That Government along with their Union friends have done much to weigh upon the producers of Society forcing the producers to move elsewhere to escape from their parasitic suffocating, substance and Liberty stealing presents. When, the time comes when there is no place to run to where, it is possible to exist and compete in the World Market then, the entity is forced to shut down and drag what is left of the Economy with it. What kind of people are they, who will blindly support/defend the building of the towering Guillotine of runaway Government and Unions over us all? Until, the Blade comes down destroying us all? Liberals that's who. Liberals who are so well represented by m/dk/mbs. Liberals have consistently proved that they are the Greatest Enemy by Far to the destruction of America from within. Nuff said.

Posted by: Daniel on October 29, 2009 12:34 PM

5. It is now really clear to me that both of these guys mike and demo kid are both working for some organization. They have to be paid to do this. How else can they afford to be on line all day long? I think they should be banned from the public blog.

Posted by: Sid Stein on October 29, 2009 01:11 PM

6. @4: Did any of that make sense? Hardly. But please... try to defend paying machinists less than barbers or Costco employees. I'm all ears.

@5: I do this for free. My work schedule tends to be quite feast or famine, and I'm behind a desk for about 14 hours a day regardless, so taking a break to check up on my favorite lunatics is a nice distraction.

And "banned from the public blog"? Why? Because I offend your delicate sensibilities?

Posted by: demo kid on October 29, 2009 03:27 PM

7. @6...demo liar...The average pay for a Boeing machinist is $28 an hour. The average pay for an Costco employee is $17 dollar an hour. Bottom Line: You're a Chronic LIAR and have proved yourself to be many times on different forums of SP. Your Credibility is ZERO!

Yeah...RIGHT! You work 14 hours a day. Blah, Blah, Blah. With your Credibility at ZERO, who would take the risk of believing you to begin with? After all...You're a Liberal!

Posted by: Daniel on October 29, 2009 04:03 PM

8. daniel,

i think he was referring to boeing moving towards a region w/ a $14/hr prevailing wage (less than costco)

just because you can capitalize liar, you're not really making any sense or telling the Truth.

demo, reality and facts offend their sensibilities.

Posted by: mike on October 29, 2009 04:14 PM

9. mike/demo...The meaning presented, was that the Boeing machinist were making less money than, the employees at Costco which they are not. It is not known what the Boeing machinist will be making in SC. However, compared to the wages paid by the Big Box Stores in SC, the Boeing machinist will be making decidedly MORE! So however, you want to dance around his statement, the bottom line is that he is a LIAR! Plus, the cost of living is much less in SC. Also, the BS that he works 14 hours behind a desk is highly Questionable as well. Not to mention all the other times, on other threads, dk is well known as a LIAR.

Posted by: Daniel on October 29, 2009 10:20 PM

10. @7: The average pay for a Boeing machinist is $28 an hour. The average pay for an Costco employee is $17 dollar an hour.

In Washington State, BECAUSE of unions.

@9: The meaning presented, was that the Boeing machinist were making less money than, the employees at Costco which they are not.

In South Carolina, BECAUSE of a lack of unions.

And Taliban Dan, STOP CALLING ME A LIAR. You have no basis for that. None whatsoever.

Posted by: demo kid on October 30, 2009 10:53 AM

11. @10...You pretend to be more than one person. That's Lying all by itself, let alone all the other obfuscations and Lies you have spewed.

Yes, it is because of Unions, their excessive demands, their strikes, along with Government's excessive taxation, regulations that has for years, stimulated Boeing to be in the process of relocating. These excesses are chasing the Golden Goose that lays the Golden Eggs and others to leave the State. This is all thanks to excessive Unions and excessive Government stealing more from the producers/private sector of Society than can be sustained or required. Runaway Unions and runaway Governments are rapidly Destroying America. We are less and less able to compete in the World's economy. Excessive Unions and Governments are like a CANCER...It is eating us ALIVE!

Posted by: Daniel on October 30, 2009 11:44 AM

12. @11: What proof do you have of that, you lying little piece of crap? Did the voices in your crazy head tell you that? (Sorry, but they're lying to you.)

Face it... you have no proof that I've lied. You're just insane.

And make no mistake... Boeing would ship its operations to China and have their planes assembled by workers paid $1/hour if they could. In a zero-sum game like that, where South Carolina is willing to subsidize operations on top of providing a meek, terrified labor force ready to work for chump change in a low cost-of-living craphole, do you propose that we lower wages so that the planes you fly on are assembled by folks making less than people working the checkout at Costco?

But hey... why care about workers, right?

Posted by: demo kid on October 30, 2009 02:23 PM

13. Remember...You're a Liberal. You don't get it. It is beyond your capacity, no matter how it is explained to you. It is not just, I that is calling you a Liar, others have called you a Liar as well. What a Surprise! Another, has stated and reached the conclusion that you and mbs are the same too. Your facade is becoming well known. You're a confused Joke!

You can't equate that we live in a competitive World. That there must be a balance between a worker's pay and the resulting production. That the Government's runaway growth will steal, in time, the producer's/worker's earnings to the point of economic Collapse. How do you think Rome fell? It was runaway Bureaucracy/Government resulting in unsustainable high Taxes. It reached the point that Roman Citizens were selling themselves into Slavery because, the burden of Taxes was too great. After all, Slaves didn't have to pay Taxes. It reached the point that the Roman Citizens were not that apposed to being invaded to hopefully have some relief from being enslaved by high taxes by the Government of Rome. Naah...The examples of ancient, recent and current ongoing history serves no wake-up call to a Liberal. Even, the destruction of America, the Liberal will still not know what happen.

Yes, I do care about the workers/producers. They are the ones who produce the Wealth of a Nation. The Government is the one who doesn't produce Wealth but, only spends it and if left unchecked, will spend this Nation into Oblivion. Without, the productivity from the workers/producers, we as a Nation will collapse. The only cure, is to rein in Government and the Unions who are the enemies and destroyers of this Nation. The cure is to reduce Government, outlaw Unions within Government and reclaim our rightful portion of earnings and our full right to Liberty. Does any of this make any sense to you? Of course it doesn't...You're a Liberal!

Posted by: Daniel on October 30, 2009 05:14 PM

14. wow, daniel.

yer making less and less sense these days. might it be you that's a confused Joke?

of course slaves didn't pay taxes. they didn't earn money. are you an idiot?

Posted by: mike on October 30, 2009 05:28 PM

15. @13: Again, I ask for proof, again you dodge. What a sorry joke you are.

That there must be a balance between a worker's pay and the resulting production.

What's that balance, Taliban Dan? Tell me. Seriously. I want to know. If a tradesman working at Boeing is making $30k a year for some pretty intense manual labor, and is trying to support a family and save for retirement, what balance is that between "worker's pay and the resulting production"?

You may despise unions, but tell me... how much power does an individual worker have in a laughably named "right-to-work" state to negotiate anything remotely close to a good wage? If you're so concerned about watching out for the workers/producers, why are you feeding them to the wolves?

And don't give me some cockamamie bullcrap about "corrupt unions". Corporations are just as -- if not more than! -- corrupt, and they have no incentive to provide better wages for their employees if they don't need to.

Posted by: demo kid on October 30, 2009 05:47 PM

16. @14-15,m/dk...There were a number of slaves in the Roman Empire that were very talented and smart. These slaves were very respected and given certain levels of authorities in managing the owners affairs and doing specific tasks that require skills above the common. Yes, there were slaves that were able to accumulate gratuities, gifts and perhaps, unofficially the coin of the realm. These personal items/property were not taxed as would be with a Citizen of Rome. It is understandable that such as you, the simpleton with the Big mouth, to call someone an idiot when you yourself are the one who is ignorant as to the way things were. But then...You're a Liberal!

You ask for proof that you're a Liar? You have been given plenty of proof by me and others and yet, you want more? What you want is an exercise in futility. Go back and read comment 11, 9 and 7 if you just, want the latest proof. How about giving some proof that you work behind a desk for 14 hours a day. What a Laugh and another Lie! What a Dummy you are. Further proof as to what a Dummy you are is you calling me, a Conservative, Taliban Dan. What an Idiot! The Taliban are not made up of Conservatives, they are made up of Liberals. The same class of Fools who make up the Socialists, Communists, Fascists and Nazis. They're all Liberals!

You're an Idiot to think that Unions are necessary in order to make good wages. The vast majority of good wage earners in the private sector are not Union members. Less than 10 percent are Union members in the private sector. So, get Real! Naah, forget it...You're a Liberal!

Posted by: Daniel on October 31, 2009 01:14 AM

17. @16: You can rattle off everything that you like about the Roman Empire, but thinking that people will sell themselves into slavery because of *taxes* is insane. When the federal government takes 90% of everyone's paycheck in taxes, then we can talk.

With respect to your "proof", I have yet to see proof that you're not some fat blubbering moron sitting in your mom's basement.

And of course a "vast majority of good wage earners in the private sector are not Union members". Unions are far more applicable when businesses can decide to undercut (or threaten to undercut) wages in a much broader labor market. That doesn't mean that the folks working at such a job are getting a fair wage, or can afford to live on what they're making.

But hey... you'd much rather see poor folks that aren't doctors get what they deserve, right?

Posted by: demo kid on October 31, 2009 08:02 AM

18. It is a Fact, that a number of Roman Citizens were selling themselves into Slavery. It wasn't insane at all. It was a Tax dodge. You could sell yourself into Slavery to a particular member of the family group with the understanding of retaining your rights/possessions with the foregone support and protection of your rights/possessions by the family group. A number of possessions could, in actuality be owned by other members of the family group yet, be claimed by the Slave and therefore a further Tax savings was made. Get the game-play? It was so successful that eventually, the Roman Senate outlawed the practice of a Roman Citizen selling himself into Slavery. Such a Deal!

With Federal, State and local taxes and taxes that have been previously applied to items bought, the average Citizens is paying over 50 percent of his earnings on taxes now. It has been computed that the cost of a loaf of bread has been raised upward to the consumer by one half because of taxes paid to produce that loaf of bread. From the farmer who pays taxes on the land and the seed to grow the wheat, to the taxes to purchase the farm machinery and buy the fuel to plow and plant and harvest the wheat. Also, included are the taxes collected on the equipment to ship the wheat, processes in the making of bread and the taxes on wages paid to all those involved with the process from start to finish. Does this example give you any idea how insidious, destructive and criminal, runaway taxes from a runaway Big Government is in Stealing the Citizenry Blind. Add that to runaway regulations and restrictions to your Liberty and you'll find that Big Government along with Government Unions is America's greatest internal Enemy. But, you're a Liberal and you Stupidly support runaway Unions and Big Government. In fact, the bigger the better.

It is well known, that Unions have done much more damage to the economy and the destruction of jobs by far, than any good it has done. Let's see...The American auto industry, the Steel industry, the Mining industry, the Garment industry and threatening to Kill our leadership in aviation. China, Japan, Brazil, Canada, EAD, are stepping up to the plate. Do you think that Government and the Unions can't destroy Boeing's ability to compete with it's competitors? If you think not...Better think AGAIN!

Bottom Line: With any Business, Businesses need good people. To retain good people you pay them a good wage. Plus, you have to be able to weed out the bad with expediency. With the Union in command, you can't weed out the bad with expediency and sometimes you can't weed out the bad at all. A Unionized work force Kills the flexibility in administrating the workforce making it expensive and difficult to run a successful competing viable business. A Communist controlled State can be considered one Giant Union controlled State and we know how wonderful it is to live in Cuba where even a plastic bag is coveted.

Posted by: Daniel on October 31, 2009 10:17 AM

19. @18: You're a lunatic. First you use torture from the Middle Ages to support the death penalty, now you're trying to connect Rome with your feelings of victimization because you need to pay taxes? Please.

And sure, I don't doubt that we pay taxes, both directly and indirectly along the supply chain. But let's see... tax money is being funneled INTO subsidies for farmers, our defense budget is used to protect oil supplies around the world, and local, state and federal money are used to build the roads and highways to bring those products to market. State and federal budgets money to research to improve crop yields,

But hey... whine all you want. If we never had those taxes, we'd be a Third World country. And when I say that, I mean that in all honesty. Our position as a superpower is based on the infrastructure and R&D that we conduct from that money.

And if you think that the steel, auto, mining and garment industries could survive the excessively low wage rates of Third-World countries, you've got another thing coming. As it is, the threat of outsourcing puts unions (and wages) at risk... but thinking that the solution is to pay the folks that assemble places $9/hour and throwing them away like rubbish if you have the slightest issue with them is unethical.

But I keep arguing with you, and all you do is play up your poor feelings of victimization and assume that you know a damn thing about what you're talking about.

"If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, "We see"; therefore your sin remains."

Pride's a sin, Taliban Dan.

Posted by: demo kid on October 31, 2009 11:58 AM

20. all you do is play up your poor feelings of victimization

ah, that's about all repukes are good for, these days, DK.

Posted by: mike on October 31, 2009 10:09 PM

21. @19,20...Your such an obfuscating Lying Fool! I and other Conservatives are not against Government and paying Taxes. We are against Excessive Government and Excessive Taxes. You are well aware of our position yet, being the Liar that you are, you attack with the insinuation that we are against the need for Government and taxes. What a LIE! You state that without Taxes we would be a Third World Country. The Truth is, with Excessive Taxes and a runaway Government we will be reduced to a Third World Country. We will be reduced to a Socialist Country diving toward Poverty and Liberal heaven...Walking and living in Mud Huts.

Our position as a Superpower is based on small effective Government, low taxes so, Citizen spending and investments can remain strong to support a strong Economy and a viable Dollar. Liberal support of Big Government, Excessive Taxes and more Regulatory stealing of Liberty is what is destroying this Nation.

Wages have to be reasonable within the constraints and competitiveness of the Market. You can't have overly high wages and expect to produce products that are salable. Without salable products produced, the business will be forced to close its doors with the resulting loss of jobs that were provided by the business. Businesses know that without good paying jobs, the sale of their products would be vastly reduced or simply unaffordable. For proof of this common understanding, here's an historic Example: Ford, the founder of the Ford Motor Company, brought into play the first $5 workday of the industry. Why? So, more people could afford to buy his cars. Get it? Naah...You're a Liberal!

Posted by: Daniel on November 1, 2009 08:48 AM

22. do you mean 'you're'?

moron.

Our position as a Superpower is based on small effective Government, low taxes

riiiight. cos when we actually were a super power, what were the tax rates? you really want to bring back eisenhower's tax rates? i'd be game.

you really have no grasp of history or reality, do you danielle?

Posted by: mike on November 1, 2009 10:24 AM

23. Excessive Government and High Taxes will, in time, destroy the Society represented by such Government. This has been proved throughout history. Read a Book. Question: Who are most known for their Wisdom...Conservatives or Liberals? I can hardly wait for your Wrong Answer.

Posted by: Daniel on November 1, 2009 10:42 AM

24. well, since conservatives consistently denial reality AND science, conservatives know neither Truth or Wisdom.

especially since there is no god.

Posted by: mike on November 1, 2009 04:09 PM

25. *deny, not denial. they're usually in denial, though. especially wrt to history.

Posted by: mike on November 1, 2009 04:10 PM

26. Spoken like a True screaming in the Dark Liberal. Perhaps, you can name one Liberal known for their Wisdom?

Posted by: Daniel on November 1, 2009 08:37 PM

27. daniel,

we've been down this road 100 times.

either you are getting dumber and dumber, or you keep forgetting you post under different names here...

Posted by: mike on November 2, 2009 08:03 AM

28. The problem for you is...You can't name a known Liberal for their Wisdom. There isn't any known Liberal that is known for their Wisdom. Why? Because, Godless Liberals are known for their lack of Wisdom. Being that, that is True and has been proved many times and on a continuing bases...Blows away all Liberal positions that stand contradictory to Conservative positions as being inferior, lacking in Truth and just, plain Wrong. In fact, far left Liberals, in no way, represent American values. Far left Liberals are not Americans in spirit but, in name only. Liberals are the Enemies of America and Free Men everywhere...Plain and Simple.

Posted by: Daniel on November 2, 2009 09:09 AM

29. daniel,

you don't even know what you are saying.

you are an idiot.

there is no god, therefore all conservatives are also godless.

Posted by: mike on November 2, 2009 07:57 PM

30. Keep Blabing mike. You're continuing to let SP know what a troll you are on this thread as well as others. What a Dolt.

Posted by: Daniel on November 2, 2009 08:20 PM

31. better to be the toll o' Truth and Wisdom than the repuke of lies and made up sh*t.

christ, just the other day you actually stated that ann coulter had Wisdom.

seriously, danielle. and what is blabing?

Posted by: mike on November 2, 2009 08:23 PM

32. You poor Simplistic Dolt! You couldn't name even one known Liberal known for their Wisdom. It is well known that Liberals are devoid of Truth and Wisdom. Show me one claim where Liberals are Praised for their Wisdom and Truth. I will not hold my breath for your reply. Yes, you are a proved senseless Blabber. No Surprise.

Try to realize...Conservatives are independent thinkers and are not Blind supporters of any Party. Naah...You're a Liberal and Liberals don't understand what independent thinking and Individualism is. Liberals are groupies. Liberals are the slave-minded that makes up the Collective. Liberals are Socialist...Nuff, said.

Posted by: Daniel on November 2, 2009 08:59 PM

33. liberals known for their 'wisdom':
newton
einstein
descartes
galileo
eisenhower
tommy douglas

Conservatives are independent thinkers

danielle, spouting whatever nonsense rush or hannity tell you doesn't make you an independent thinker. i think you might want to pull out a dictionary and actually look up some words there.

liberals aren't selfish pricks, you got that right.

Posted by: mike on November 2, 2009 10:27 PM

34. You're such a Total Nonsensical Lying Fool! What a Laugh! Your list is a Joke! Didn't someone call you a serial LIAR on another thread? Could it be True?

Posted by: Daniel on November 3, 2009 07:30 AM

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