June 29, 2009
ESSB 5808 takes your right to vote - Referendum 72 Gets It Back
On April 13, 2009 SB 5808 was filed into law to address the annexation of fire districts into cities and towns.
The law was presented as a way to help fire district employees retain benefit packages but it had other harmful effects to taxpayers of that area.
This law creates a new right for cities and towns to expand their boundaries without any input or vote from the residents that will be affected by this change.
Signing Referendum 72 will bring the vote to the people!
Do you want to have decisions about your land being made without your knowledge?
NO? - Then sign Referendum 72 and help others become aware of this issue!
We have until July 25th for an all volunteer signature gathering effort of 120,577 valid signatures.
GTS. Get The Signatures. Please act right now!
The petitions can be printed at any Kinko's statewide, just ask for copies of Referendum 72 that I emailed them on June 27th with "Referendum72" in the subject line.
Visit our website for more information, updates, to download the petition and more.
Respectfully,
Jerry Galland
Sponsor, Referendum72
Posted by 6p011570992f4f970c at June 29, 2009
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1. WOW...A land grab by a municipality without you having a say. Like it or not, you will be added to their Realm and made a Prisoner to the increase Taxes on your property, utilities, etc. to support an additional layer of Government. You will also, have to abide by all their Liberty and personal choice Stealing City codes. How about, you can only park so many vehicles on your property. How about, you can't cut down a tree on your property without the City's permission. How about, you must keep up the appearance of your lawn and house to their specifications and fined if you don't. Such a Deal!
The municipalities always wish to expand their territories and the Tax base. It's a Money and Power grab to increase their size which gives them more job security, increase paychecks, benefits and pensions to themselves. It's a Giant Con Game to live off the Tax Payers in the Grandest Style they can get away with.
Bottom Line: With this Age of rapid Information and Transportation, You don't need all these Satellite Governments. They are just, an extra large expense, regulatory restrictions and a theft of your Earnings and Liberty. Most, municipalities should not only be reduced in size but, should be dis-incorporated and or eliminated all together. At most, you could refer them to as communities. Think of the Savings in Taxes. Think of the reclaimed Liberties to do with your property as you see fit.
Find and sign Referendum 72....DO IT!
2. @1: Awesome! Think of all the money you could save if you didn't have a fire department, or a police department, or drinking water treatment, or ambulance service!
3. Well, Well, if it isn't the demo dolt. You don't need to pay Extra Taxes for a mayor, all the various city employees and other gang of thieves to live off your Tax dollar in order to have fire, police, drinking water, etc. when, you get those services to begin with from the County, State and Private sources. Are you suggesting, that areas outside of municipalities are grievously less served? Ask anybody, if they feel more than compensated or compromised by the Extra Taxes they pay for the privilege of being in a municipality. The ones who have had the experience living outside of a municipality will tell you that they have been Riped Off with higher Taxes, a multitude of Restrictions and Codes which results in extra personal confiscation of their Money, Liberty and the right of exercising their Personal Choice. Any independent thinker realizes that there is far more loss than gain having a municipality annex you. Plus, when you have a municipality, you have all the losers gravitate to the municipality to take advantage of any service offered at Tax Payers expense. Eventually, you can end up with a Cesspool of the dredges of Society to contend with which you never had before. Only a FOOL such as, yourself would think that he has gained more than he has lost. But then, your a Liberal, a natural born Patsy for the Cons and the Swindlers to take advantage of. What a Joke!
4. So then, you believe that there should be fire protection, police protection, drinking water and sewerage services, ambulances, right? Maybe add roads in there? Other infrastructure?
What about health codes? Should those be developed, or would you prefer not to know whether you're at risk for salmonella when you're chowing down at your local chicken restaurant?
Parks and open space? It's be an interesting event to see anyone proposing that parks be shut down and sold off for development... my guess is that the community would not be pleased.
I'm guessing that you'd come down solidly against libraries and reading, of course, but others might not.
If you have these services at the very least, you're certainly going to need folks to run them, and elected representatives to oversee those folks, right? What do we have then?
And in terms of "losers" gravitating towards cities to bilk the "hardworking taxpayer", the simple truth is that the free ride for folks in unincorporated areas is coming to an end, that's all.
5. You poor Simple Simon...Do you think a municipality is needed to have those services and protections. What an IDIOT! I have explained to you that those services are already provided by the State, County and Private sources. You are in no way limited to a municipality for the attainment of those services. What a municipality does is duplicate services that are all ready available and in doing so throws another unnecessary expensive layer of Government on top of the Tax Payer. It is not necessary to have duplicity of Government. It is unnecessary, excessive, expensive and a Rip-Off to the Tax Payer. Unnecessary and excessive growth of Government is what is destroying our economy and Liberty. In short it is destroying this Nation. Runaway Government is the Greatest Enemy the American people face. But, no matter how much Truth and Reality is poured on you, you still don't get it. It's like pouring Truth aka Water on a Duck's back...Little to none ever gets through.
Your last sentence makes no sense at all. Naturally, when something doesn't make sense it is usually a LIE. Of course little of what you say ever makes sense as exemplified by all your comments. Whats this free ride for folks in unincorporated areas you refer to? The folks do pay for their services. What do you think property taxes and utility taxes etc. are all about? Liberals are the Dumbest Suckers known to Man.
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7. So what you're saying is that you're content with the state or county government providing police and fire protection, just not municipalities? What's the difference? Isn't it reasonable to assume that there is more local control over services if municipalities take care of these functions?
And didn't SeaTac incorporate *specifically* to create their own police force, rather than rely on an overstretched sheriff's department for law enforcement?
8. Funny, that you would use SeaTac and the LIE of the lack of police protection as an example of a need to form a municipality. I live in SeaTac and have lived here before it was SeaTac. Yes, I was content with the police and fire services before SeaTac became a municipality. SeaTac wasn't incorporated specifically to create their own police force. SeaTac area had plenty of adequate police protection. It is a LIE to say the sheriff department was not providing adequate police security. After all, the area is home to a World Class Airport with World Class Hotel accommodations for World Travelers. The reputation of the County, State and the Nation is a stake to make sure the Airport area is presented as a safe haven to arrive at. So, you can be sure that such Entities will always have the best Security in the immediate and surrounding area. So again, it is a LIE to say there was not enough police protection.
No, the only reason that the municipality of SeaTac was formed is because, a bunch of Cons aka politicians wanted to create high paying careers and power for themselves. All, at the Expense of the local resident Tax Payers. Such a Deal! It is the same game-play with most, if not all, municipalities formed in the last 50 or so years. However, with all this logic and common sense commentary placed before you, I expect that you will still not get it. Liberals rarely do.
9. The best security at the AIRPORT, of course.
So what you're arguing is that when put to a vote, over half of the residents of SeaTac decided that they wanted to incorporate solely for the sake of a VERY small handful of people that would benefit? I'm interested in hearing how that bait-and-switch happened... especially since it ignores the fact that maybe local control and funding of services that were provided by the county were important for some people.
And what you present? It's not "logic" or "common sense". It's a bitter, bitter fellow spewing out random blabberings because people have been mean to him. Boo hoo.
So don't confuse them. You're not making points here, you're just proving that you're a wingnut.
10. Well, I didn't think you would get it. It's beyond your capacity with lacking of awareness and the ability of seeing the whole picture. Yes, a VERY small handful of people can Con a very large group of people to vote away a portion of their Earnings and Liberty in the Sucker Scam for the Phony need to form a municipality. It happens all the time. Even an Individual can Con a large group of people...Think of Bernard Madoff. Of course, the ultimate Con job by an Individual would be President Obama.
The County may not want to give up any of it's domain however, it is in the mechanism of Government for the formation by the vote of the people, the right to form a municipality. But, your such a total Idiot, that these common understandings are beyond you to where you simplistically thought you had a point of argument to bring forward.
I do present logic, common sense and FACT! It is YOU that is the unhappy Loser that is unable to see where it is at and is left Screaming in the Darkness.
11. Okay... so let's see if I get this right. Anyone that opposes you is automatically being "conned", and there was no other reason to form a municipality back in 1990 other than the desire for about 300 people to get a paycheck. And, of course, paying property taxes and getting services in return is a massive blow to your "Liberty".
I just think that you're whining about getting services that you actually have to pay for now. Again, boo-frickin-hoo.
12. Your such a Silly disconnected Ass. Paying property taxes and getting services in return was occurring before the municipality was formed. What a Simplistic DOLT! The Liberty factor comes into play when a municipality starts throwing a bunch of codes and restrictions, some of which I have already mention, at the citizenry of the municipality.
Liberals are so pathetic as you have shown abundantly not, only on this forum but, on past forums as well.
13. So now I'm getting confused. So this is not about taxes, but just about regulations?
So you'd prefer then that the County make land-use decisions over the municipality? That elected officials from all the way across the county should be able to decide how your land is used, as opposed to folks in your own community?
And describe how I'm pathetic. I'm trying to clarify your position for you, which apparently you're unable to do since you just prefer random ranting like some deranged schizophrenic.
14. Of course, your confused. You were confused from the get-go. I most certainly would like the County to make the land use decisions. The County would be less restrictive than, a municipality. Get it? Perhaps not...Your a Liberal. In the first place, emphasis on who should make the decisions on the Land use would be the Property Owner. There are places in these United States where there is no Zoning Laws and the people are very happy about it. So happy, that there are people moving into those areas for the Freedom of doing whatever want with their Property as they please. Get it? Nah....Your a Liberal!