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May 09, 2008

Where do they go? (libertarians, Paulistas)

Someone on the SP blog or public SP wondered how libertarian or Paul supporters would vote this year, when Paul fails to get the Prez nomination.

Here's an interesting broadcast on that subject, from a national perspective, from a libertarian blogger, with a guest from the Cato Institute.

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Posted by ccwt at May 09, 2008 01:45 AM | Email This

Comments

1. Any chance there's a transcript for those of us who are reading during a boring conference call?

Posted by: Andrew Brown on May 9, 2008 11:46 AM

2. I would think that most of them are going to stay home just like about half the conservatives that the Republicans have abandoned.

I find it so strange that someone called SeattleRepublicans would post an event for Skip Priest on this web site given that he voted to give in state tuition prices to illegal aliens and he voted for special rights to homosexuals.

With Republicans supporting people like this, is it any wonder more and more conservatives are staying home realizing it really doesn't matter anymore what party is in office as the results when it comes to the politician's voting record seem to most often be the same.

Posted by: Ida on May 11, 2008 03:52 PM

3. I bet most of them are going to stay home just like about half the conservatives will stay home as well given how the GOP has abandoned them.

I find it quite telling that someone called SeattleRepublicans would come here and post an event for Skip Priest given that he voted to give instate tuition benefits and he voted for special rights for homosexuals.

Here is someone who is more left than right but the Republicans expect Conservatives to spend time and money on the guy.

There is going to be a major "stay home" movement this year.

Posted by: Ida on May 11, 2008 03:57 PM

4. I bet most of them are going to stay home just like about half the conservatives will stay home as well given how the GOP has abandoned them.

I find it quite telling that someone called SeattleRepublicans would come here and post an event for Skip Priest given that he voted to give instate tuition benefits to illegals and he voted for special rights for homosexuals.

Here is someone who is more left than right but the Republicans expect Conservatives to spend time and money on the guy.

There is going to be a major "stay home" movement this year.

Posted by: Ida on May 11, 2008 03:58 PM

5. Sorry for posting that three times. Something seemed to have gone wrong with my internet for a moment.

My apologizes. I only meant to post it once.

Posted by: Ida on May 11, 2008 04:03 PM

6. The one thing they will not do is vote for John McCain. If I were to vote for McCain, Clinton, or Obama, I would vote Obama. Not because he is any better policy wise but rather because I think he will get the least cooperation from congress to do anything and he is the most pleasant to listen to.

Everytime I hear McCain say 'my friends' I either envision the emporer from star wars or think of the old soviet politicians that called everyone comrade. I am not that mans friends, he is an enemy to liberty and will never support him.

When election day comes I will do what ever I think will result in the most likely to push real change torwards a limited government. Since McCain is for the same if not more government a vote for him would be shortsighted.

Posted by: Lysander on May 11, 2008 08:39 PM

7. I hate him saying "my friends", too. Kinda of like chalkboard grating or being called a "pal".

However, you are pretty insulting to say he is an enemy to liberty, don't you think? A little too extreme there, Lysander.

Posted by: swatter on May 12, 2008 08:30 AM

8. Swatter have you ever looked into the types of legislation that McCain has sponsored?

I doubt it for if you did you would know how accurate calling McCain an enemy to liberty is.

Posted by: Ida on May 12, 2008 09:03 AM

9. McCain will kill the conservative movement whereas Obama will revive it.

That's why we need Obama to win this year!

Posted by: Ida on May 12, 2008 09:07 AM

10. As a Republican, I used to argue all the time with a libertarian buddy who said that both parties were bad, just minor differences here and there. One of my arguments was, if there is no difference, why do groups like the teachers' unions, or trial lawyers, donate over 90% to Dems?

But looking at the R nominees since Reagan (Bush, Dole, W. Bush, McCain), why do I get the sneaking suspicion that he was right after all?

Posted by: russell garrard on May 12, 2008 06:45 PM

11. Swatter:
haha... Yeah the I get the chalkboard feeling when he says that too. I know this is the superficial side of me speaking but he just seems like a creepy old man when he says that.

On to more substantive issues. Yes calling him an enemy to liberty might be a bit extreme but only in that he may not intentional setting out to take away our liberties. That is certainly the result of most every bill that has had his name on it though. The one I feel most strongly about is McCain Feingold. It is a horrible attack on the 1st amendment!

Posted by: Lysander on May 12, 2008 09:47 PM

12. swatter, pal, could you tone down the disrespect please?

I kid, I kid. But I'm with lysander, I don't see anything from McCain increasing my liberties, only restricting and regulating them.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on May 13, 2008 02:24 PM

13. But an "enemy to liberty" Andrew?

Isn't "pal" and "buddy" what you get called when you buy a used car?

Posted by: swatter on May 14, 2008 04:15 PM

14. Well, I say buddy, I think it's a generational/regional thing though... but I don't really say pal unless I'm being condescending (or joking, as above :) )

As for enemy to liberty... if you aren't working to improve it then you certainly aren't a friend to liberty. In some ways he's a more formidable enemy to liberty than a democrat, because a democrat may hate it even more, but they are much more direct and obvious in their attacks on it. A modern day Republican is subtle indeed, and leverages fallacies and the power of their elected offices to mount attacks on personal liberty while simultaneously calling people to the banner of freedom.

At least democrats advertise truthfully that you will be dependent on the government in their system.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on May 15, 2008 10:50 AM