March 13, 2008
Obama preacher: "God Damn America"
From ABC News:
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
The media hounded John McCain until he finally denounced Pastor John Hagee, as he should have.
But Barack Obama is much closer to this lunatic Rev. Wright than McCain ever was to Hagee. How long until he cuts his ties with this over-the-top hater?
Posted by John425 at March 13, 2008
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1. very strange. If this is what she's been listening to every Sunday, one can see why Michelle Obama has never been proud of America until her hubby ran for prez. She's being brainwashed by this stuff week in and week out. Notice how this pastor in talking about us bombing Japan never mentions that THEY attacked us first! And he actually believe that the federal govt. is drugging people. Just several more reasons not to vote for Obama, if this is his favorite brand of religion.
And another key point is that it's really not all that different than what Ayatollahs and Mullahs preach in their mosques with respect to Islam. The key difference of course being that here in the US, Rev. Wright did not also call for violence or jihad in return. But in both Rev. Wright's church and in Islamic Mosques, there is the unified theme of religious intolerance for the US, coupled with relativistic message of blame. This is leftist ideology at its ugliest.
It's easy to denounce anything if you take it out of context. Global Warming out of the context of its actual effects and the economic impacts of stopping carbon output is an easy conclusion. Likewise, equating the attacks at Hiroshima and Nagasaki to terrorism irrespective of the context of WWII and the Axis powers. Or Universal Healthcare outside of the context of actual costs, sources of funding and the reality of market forces. Or something useful and good such as Nuclear power, but taken out of a realistic context and put into a fear context.
Socialism, Collectivism, Marxism, Communism, etc. all sound great outside of a larger realistic context. But they are empirically not.
It's important to call Obama out on Rev. Wright.
I am absolutely disgusted with the extire Demograbic party
Not voting for a one of them
4. There's also video out now where Wright calls "White America" the US of KKK America. An amazing racist. It is really uncanny. That such racism is tolerated at all is proof of how morally bankrupt Democrats have become. Wright should be a pariah. Instead, he is the long time preacher of a major presidential candidate.
I know probably a vast majority of Sound Politics readers probably think Reverend Wright's comments were truly Anti-American and they reflect on Obama, himself. I myself was troubled when I first heard them, but as they were played over and over ad nauseum this weekend, I started to hear something else.
To start out with, I don't necessarily give much credence to a couple of excerpts taken out of speeches without understanding the context of the surrounding text of the speech. It would be nice if the news organizations could post the entire speech/sermon (note: One of the excerpts was not from a sermon but a speech Rev Wright made). I know from listen to sermons all my life, how individual quotes from them could be taken out of context.
Let's assume, however, that the inflammatory statements were within context of the entire speech/sermon. Would this lay a stronger creedence to the uproar? I would agree that it would
The question to ask however, also, is what was actually being stated? This is what I started thinking about this weekend. I can recall many occasions where fundamentalist preachers also claimed some controversal statements. I remember Pat Roberston, Jerry Falwell, and others making some real whoppers where he blaimed America's misfortune (Hurricane's, Aids ephedemic, 9/11 attacks, etc.) on our sinfulness. Why is it that they don't receive the same uproar. Are they not also saying that God is "damning" America for its actions? Have we repented for our past sins?
I got looking at the few examples in the Rev. Wright excerpts. Have we not supported brutal dictators? Did we not give Sadaam and Bin Laden their start? Did we not support South American dictators under the Nixon regime? Did we not support South Africa's Aparthaid government for years?
I know that one of the main reasons for the strong pro-life movement in the evangelical community is because we feel this country is ignoring the rights of the conceived child. This calls those in the pro-life communit to put their calling from God to speak out over the calls of the land. Are Christians simply to stand idle when we see injustice or sufferring?
I think of a recent David Kuo post on him struggling with the age old question of Why does God allow evil in this world? His conclusion was really that God didn't allow evil, that we have due to our inaction. Why do we continue to allow Burma to exist, or Dafar? We as a country claim to have gone into Iraq partly due to the oppressive dicatorship of Sadaam, yet we have not acted in Burma and Dafar. The latter of which contiues genocide on our watch.
These all lead me to believe that a pastor within a sermon or speech could in essence raise this lack of action as a condemnation. Are we really following Christ's commands.
Then, today, Frank Schaeffer summarrized the argument a lot better than I could ever in his post entitled "Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" but When my Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero."
You see Christians often get wrapped up too much in thinking Americanism is their religion that they often forget who they need to worship first. We do ask that God Bless America as if we are somehow priviledge and should receive his blessing. Yet, we allow hunger to exist within our own borders. We want to kick alien's out, yet forget God's directions to Isreal to care for the alien's within their midst.
The bottom line is while I may be uncomfortable with Reverand's Wright's comments, from an evangelical standpoint, I don't find them offensive to God. He is, in essence, calling us to remember God's calling to us first and foremost and not put America above God.