November 29, 2006
"A Cacaphony of Kaka" flies at 5th LD meeting Tuesday

It was good times once again last night at the 5th LD meeting in the snowy mountain town of Issaquah. Upon entering the police station I was greeted by KCGOP Chair candidate Ruth Gibbs who told me there would be no filming (never mind that the meeting was being held at a public place and it's my first amendment right to film whatever I damn well please). Ruth, why don't you want your speech filmed? If you don't want the masses hearing what you have to say then why even say it?

But I abided by her commandment and kept my video camera in its case. Apparently not good enough for erstwhile and perennial candidate and ReaganWing goonsquad member Brian Thomas. In a hilarious showing of bravado, Brian came to the back of the room where I was sitting and started raising a fuss about my mobile phone, insinuating that I was filming Ruth with it (these kids and their technology today). No dice, Brian. And Ruth would have none of it. She publicly chastized the machismo mouse of a man for his ill-placed outburst and the meeting went on.

2nd Vice-Chair Candidate Doug Parris was suprisingly well behaved (and dressed, looking quite smart in a grey suit with festive cream-colored turtleneck beneath) compared to his last performance in the 37th. But don't you fret, reader. After the meeting he and I chatted and he expressed some regrets that he hadn't gone with an earlier version of the speech. And fret not again, for here, in my possesion and for all the blogosphere to see, is a copy of said speech.

Second Vice Chair Speech
I'm Doug Parris
As second vice chairman I would be the one who would have to step in if our Chair and Vice Chair were both tragically assassinated. I would step in and hold the County together, at least temporarily, till we could find someone who didn't have to also run the Washington State Chapter of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies, America's largest GOP organization. So I'm going to tell you what I would do and not do if I were Chair.
First, what I would not do.
I would not Hold a County convention and break 4 out of the 7 rules in our own bylaws about conventions.
I would not illegally appoint electors to a convention specifically to vote for a liberal candidate to replace a conservative Republican incumbent.
I would not confiscate a conservative candidate's literature in violation of Washington State Law to help a liberal beat him.
I would not call thousands of grassroots Republicans to give days of their time and thousands of dollars to come to a nominating convention to choose our candidates and when they made their choice, completely ignore it, supporting their opponents even if the opponent was a Democrat.
I would not protect a Marxist, Democrat Incumbent for County Council from a conservative Republican just because the Democrat is Black and I believe in racial quotas.
I would not manipulate the Platform Committee to protect legalized abortion,
To protect the Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and Transgendered community and
To advance the Republican illegal alien Amnesty movement.
I would not repeatedly violate Roberts rules of order to get my way.
I would not hold secret meetings for the purpose of slandering innocent people.
I would not sew slanderous false rumors a Republican Candidate for office was anti-Semitic, a racist, assaulted women or had a police record, all lies.
And I would not push people around, have them followed, slam them in the chest or knock their crutches out from under them as a political tool.
The Young/Sotelo/Ann Adams administration cannot make that pledge because they've already done every bit of it.
But I would support a program to completely turn around the King County Republican Party.
We would stand for Republican Principles not apologize or run from them.
And we would support candidates in direct proportion to their support of the platform, not recruit liberals.
We would embrace conservative initiatives and referenda, not sweep them under the rug and that would unite us with the Property Rights Movement, the Academic Education Movement, The Pro-Life Community, The anti-sexual predator Community, the Marriage movement, the Anti-Mexican invasion Community and the true economic conservatives, the Tim Eyman Community.
We would inspire Rush Limbaugh, Ronald Reagan Conservatives and they would come out of their out of their houses, out of their cocoons, out of the woodwork and pour, like a river, in to the Republican Party.
We would not try to compromise our way to victory, we would win the debate. We would defeat the socialists not by offering a weaker version of the same thing but by attacking socialism at the root. Socialism doesn't work.
King County Liberals would be so desperately defending themselves against our advance they wouldn't have time to take over the rest of the state.
I'm Doug Parris with the Reagan wing of the Republican Party and you ain't seen nothin' yet.
www.TheReaganWing.com 206-546-9757


But the night was not over with Doug! In a fourth down field goal attempt, team ReaganWing put forth a new candidate for 8th Congressional District Representiatve (position currently being held by David Irons). The talkative toastmaster (who's name escapes me but, of his own admission, has never been involved in politics, hasn't been a PCO, hasn't volunteered on any campaigns, hasn't done much of anything other than being the commander of "the sub base in Seattle" (maybe he meant Bangor)) went on about the "cacaphony of kaka" spewn forth by the current party elite and gurgitated his plethora of experience in sales. I, for one, left convinced. This man could definitely sell sh*t to a pig, sand to an Arab and ice to an Eskimo. The question is, can he sell ReaganWing brand Republicanism to the PCOs in King County. I guess we'll find out on Saturday.

Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 29, 2006 10:10 AM | Email This
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1. What makes you think Bob Opple (the 'toastmaster') at the 5th has been put up by the Reagan Wing? He happens to be a good friend of mine for many years. I asked him to run because, as I said in my letter to the PCOs, what this party lacks is sound leadership and inspiration. I do not belong to the Reagan Wing. Bob Opple has never heard of the Reagan Wing. This man is of stellar quality. He has been the commander of a submarine. He was the head of Marketing for WA and Alaska for Caterpiller. He has been to numerous caucuses, is a solid Republican, and is not just a 'Toastmaster'. He was the keynote speaker at our 11th District Republican Convention two years ago and received a standing ovation with sustained applause. He has twice won in International World Toastmasters Speaking Contests. Do you have any idea what that means? That's not a local win, it's a WORLDWIDE win. He just got back this week from a three week tour of speaking engagements across the United States of America. When he says that we need him, and he will market the Republican Party to this county, he not full of Kakka!!!! You said he convinced you. He'll convince anybody and everybody too. He'll do so in a professional, positive manner that will reflect the tone I am setting for this party. So what if he's not a PCO? There's a PCO in his precinct. So what if he's not a party hack? This party needs new blood, as evidenced by the last election. Why do you think I chose him to be on the 'winning team?' He's a professional and will help the team market this party. Do you want to win elections or what? If you do, join the team and vote for us on Saturday. If you don't keep doing the same old thing and keep losing elections. Now you know, Opple will be a part of the Gibbs/Hammond/Sackett winning team.

Ruth Gibbs, Candidate for King County Chair

Posted by: Ruth Gibbs on November 29, 2006 11:43 PM
2. Okay, maybe Bob wasn't recruited by the ReaganWing, per se. But, by your own admission, he's part of "your" team and while you may not officially represent the ReaganWing you're definitely of that ilk. So I stand corrected on that minor technicality. That being said I suppose I could have been a bit more gentle on Bob because honestly, I have to beef with him directly. I was actually impressed with his speaking ability and yes, I do know what being a Toastmaster champion is and I agree that's an impressive thing. I'm sure Bob is a nice guy (although then I'm not really sure why he'd be friends with a person like you) and I'm sure he was a damn good sub commander and I thank him for his military service. He was probably an excellent marketeer at Caterpillar as well. I don't refute any of those claims. I actually meant it when I said he could sell sand to an Arab. But selling sand to an Arab or heavy machinery to construction companies is a whole lot different than being 8th CD Rep. And so what if he's not a party hack? Well, when you put it that way it makes it sound like it's a bad thing but him running for a leadership position without having experienced the inner workings of the party is almost as bad as Darcy Burner running for congress without any elected experience (and before you jump to conclusions, no, I'm not comparing Bob to Darcy on a personal level, just pointing out that neither of them had the experience necessary for the job they were running for). Finally, try reading my entire post then your entire post before posting it. I never said Bob was full of kaka did I? i said that he said the party elite was full of kaka. It was a funny quote (even if it's wrong, another reason I wouldn't support Bob).

Mark Griswold, member of the satan-worshipping, baby-killing, gay-marriage officiating, yoga and witchcraft practicing, country-club conservative, wine and cheese party attending, Volvo-driving, higher-tax supporting, anti-war, Democrat wannabe "wing" of the KCGOP. (aka, the winners... and I'll even give you 20:1 odds on that.)

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on November 30, 2006 06:13 AM
3. Okay, Mark. I'll call you on this. Upon what specific principles do you as a Republican stand? What are your specific positions on abortion, national security, the Constitution, eminent domain, and immigration? Do you perceive electability as being more important than personal integrity?

I'm looking forward to reading your personal stand on these issues in a public forum.

Posted by: ERNurse on November 30, 2006 11:07 AM
4. Mark Griswold on Gay Marriage: "Gay marriage should be legal. How two people of the same gender getting married threatens "tradition" marriage is beyond me. If anything, the bounds of legal matrimony should strengthen society. This is not to say that churches should be forced now to marry same-sex couples. That would be as big a violation of the separation of church and state as the current arguments I hear against gay marriage. Civil unions create a "separate but equal" status, which has proven not to work and therefore are not adequate enough to address the issue."

Posted by: Doug Parris on November 30, 2006 11:35 AM
5. Mark Griswold was SLANDERER-IN-CHEIF for Michael Young's campaign to keep Black Marxist Democrat Larry Gossett in office at the King County Council. Young engaged in a 21-point program to ruin the Republican Candidate (Brian Thomas).
One (out of 21) of the stratagems was a campaign of slander and Griswold was the point man. Here's a Mark Griswold quotation from Sound Politics: "You're welcome to go read the inches thick file with his hate filled, racist and anti-Semitic letters at the KCGOP office or his police file down at SPD (which includes some restraining orders by some very prominent Republican elected officials)."
I have copies of everything in that file, personally inspected it, had my inspection visit witnessed and made an audio tape of that visit to the "Secret File" archives. All Griswold's claims (and the claims of the other collaborators in the Young anti-Republican campaign), both about Thomas and about the "Secret File" are LIES and I can prove it in court if necessary. He's even wrong about how thick it is.

Brian Thomas has never been a member of the Reagan Wing, but claims that he is our "tool" (just like those about Opple, above) are made to create a synergism of slander so that false claims made by the GOP left, both about us and about Thomas, can work together. "It's all a conspiracy of NUT-WINGERS!" don't you know.

Link: Young Campaign for Gossett against Republican

Posted by: Doug Parris on November 30, 2006 12:52 PM
6. Mark, dude you do drive a Volvo and I've been to your wine and cheese eating party...
And I thought our secret rites were meant to stay in the shadows.
We used to have a great secret society before you started blabbing...

Posted by: Reporterward on November 30, 2006 02:55 PM
7. I just wanted to go on record as taking a $10 piece of Griswold's 20 to 1 odds on the outcome of Saturday's Party elections. I will bring my ten dollars to the meeting and I expect Griswold to bring his $200 to cover. Who will hold the bets, Mark? How about Donald Ward?

Posted by: Doug Parris on November 30, 2006 03:25 PM
8. Doug,

I'll hold the money, Saturday, assuming of course we're not getting the Washington state Gaming Commission involved, the tribes or any other sort of family club. (And assuming I'll be awake!!!)
Since this illicit action has been set up on Stefan's website I suggest that you give him his taste. You'll wind up swimming with the fishes if the Shark doesn't get his cut.

Posted by: Reporterward on November 30, 2006 04:22 PM
9. Doug, congratulation once again on digging into my past. And once again, I never said I didn't support gay marriage during my campaign in 2004. But as I also said, my views on that particular subject have changed slightly. I already hashed that out with you though as to what they are now so I'm not going to repeat myself. As far as my slanderous accusations of you, Brian Thomas, Richard Pope, Phil Spackman, Ruth Gibbs or whomever nutroot of the month I may have offended. Read my lips: "I DON'T CARE!" and furthermore, I would love it if you tried to bring a lible suit against me, Michael Young, Lori Sotelo or the King County Tax Assesor. Since Richard didn't get elected judge (big surprise there) I'm pretty sure I'd win. Hell, I'll even give you 20:1 odds on that as well. Which brings me to my final point. I'll extend my offer to you on one condition. When I win you have to write in big black marker across the $10 dollar bill: "Mark, you were right and I was wrong. I am a loser. Doug Parris" so that I may frame it above my desk. Or how about this, bring 2 $5 bills and write "Michael, you were right and I was wrong. I am a loser. Doug Parris" on the other so he can frame it above his desk.

And to ERNurse, thank you for asking me a direct and fair question. I will get back to you with my platform shortly. I'll even create a whole new post for it so all may see how evil I truly am.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on November 30, 2006 05:35 PM
10. Hey Doug, after giving it some further thought I don't think the stakes are high enough. So here's what I propose: If Michael Young wins then you have to resign as PCO, take down ReaganWing.com and cease all ReaganWing operations (attending GOP events, posting on SP, making comments to the press, etc.) as long as Michael is chair. If Ruth wins then I will cease all involvement in GOP politics as long as Ruth is chair.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 1, 2006 08:25 AM
11. Mark, since when citing something you said "digging up your past?"

And why must you "get back to me" regarding what you stand for? Can you not simply say it? If it is something in which you so fervently believ, it should be easy to say.

On second thought, don't bother. Your response speaks volumes about your willingness to stand for your own personal convictions, which I strongly suspect, given your response, will change with whatever direction the wind blows.

Not exactly the character trait I would envision in a person who considers himself an authority on anything.

Posted by: ERNurse on December 1, 2006 09:30 AM
12. ERNurse, once again I beg you to return to 8th grade English class and learn about something called sarcasm. Obviously citing something from 2 years ago isn't "digging up my past". Sarcasm. Sarcasm.
As far as me getting back to you, no, I don't change my views based on which way the wind blows. The reason I need to get back to you is because to afford your questions the response they deserve I can't reply in sound bites and, well, I have this thing called a job and a life and as hard as it may be for someone like you to believe I'd rather spend Thursday night decorating my Christmas Tree with my girlfriend than writing position papers on gay marriage, transportation and abortion. But I will get back to you. In fact, if you're going to be around tomorrow why don't we grab some coffee after the convention and I'll answer any and all question you may have.

And Doug, I'm waiting...

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 1, 2006 09:45 AM
13. You know who I miss in 5th District Politics? Anne Witte. Now there was someone who could tick off everybody, what a hoot.

Posted by: the duke on December 1, 2006 12:09 PM
14. Marc, out of sheer fairness and my desire to gather as much information from all sides of the issue (a hallmark of critical thinking), I will accept your offer.

I am working a "Cinderella shift" (done at midnight) tonight, and will consult with my wife and see what she is doing tomorrow. I will email you later with a firm availability window.

Please feel free to follow up with me using my personal email address as attached to my hotlink. I look forward to gathering more information about the debate at hand.

I'll offer you the same objective openness as I have offered to Doug and to everyone else who has approached me for support: I don't want rhetoric and hyperbole; I want objective data.

I would also respectfully advise you at the outset that the core values I embrace (that is, the existence of absolute right and wrong, the pricelessness of human life, and the importance of moral integrity in leadership) are all non-negotiables and thus not subject to revision for the sake of political expedience. Any idea or position that places itself in opposition to these principles will be summarily swept from the table without exception. Show me the facts that support your position, and show me how your position is supported by my values - not the current party platform, mind you- but the values by which I live.

I am also certain that you are aware that I give high regard to a person who has the moral courage to say what he means and then live according to what he says.

I will say this here and now: I am not a card-carrying Republican. I am a conservative who has voted Republican more often than not. Don't ask me to back a party.

I tend to support those who can show me objective, unbiased data that holds up to scrutiny and the light of truth. I'm always willing to learn, but I am not a pushover. I am sure that Doug will attest to that.

Posted by: ERNurse on December 1, 2006 12:41 PM
15. ERNurse, thank you for you kind and well reasoned response. I do hope to meet you tomorrow at the convention and I'm sure you'll find we probably agree on quite a bit more than we disagree. I also completely respect the fact that you are a conservative and not a card carrying Republican. Generally, like you, I support the Republican candidate and I do consider myself a Republican but people like Ruth Gibbs, who would refuse to appoint anyone who wouldn't blindly support the Republican candidate is foolishness. We need only look at the 2004 race between Brian Sonntag and Will Baker to know that, in that case, the Democrat was the far better choice. Brad Owen vs. Jim Weist was another such example.
I also respect the fact that you are unwilling to compromise your ideals for the sake of political expediency. It shows the utmost of integrity. In general, and always on a personal level, I do not compromise my ideals. In politics, however, the name of the game is compromise and I'd rather give an inch to gain a mile if prudent than stand my ground on principle only to be trampled over. Still, again, I respect the fact that you would not and I don't think this country would be what it is if not for people like you. There are many facets to politics: the grassroots supporters, the single issue folks, the bureaucrats, the lobbyists, the career politicians, the statesmen, the party officials, etc. And although there probably is a better system to getting things done in the world, until we discover it what we have is the best we've got, to echo Churchill's sentiments, and what we've got requires all those types of people working together and sometimes at odds.

But now to give you some details on my positions on the above issues (and these will be more brief than I would like, for I could probably write a book on each).

Abortion: I believe, as Doug does strangley enough, that life begins at conception and ends with natural death. Would I like to see a world where there were no abortions? Yes, of course. Do I think blanketly outlawing it will work? No. I believe in making steps toward the end goal while also changing the hearts and minds of the people so that there is no desire to get an abortion. No matter what the law is, if people want an abortion they'll find a way. A law is not going to stop them. They may go to Canada. They may go to a back alley doctor. So at this point in the process I fully support a restriction on abortion beyond the 1st trimester. I support parental notification and I support a waiting period. But again, I believe more strongly in changing the hearts and minds of the people, making adoption less costly and easier for good people to pursue. Along these same lines I am also a big believer in family values. As we've seen a deterioration in family values we've also seen an increase in abortions and violent crime. I guess this is why I am a libertarian thinker. I just don't believe that the government is better at just about anything than the private sector and definitely doesn't do well at raising our children compared to what families and religious organizations can do. So, if I thought completely outlawing abortion wouldn't result in an immediate repeal of that law here in Washington and would lead to a hasty decrease in abortions then I'd be all for it. But looking at the current climate making such a drastic change in law is just not realistic. But again, to be clear, on a personal level I do not support abortion in any circumstances other than the life of the mother being at stake.

National Security: One of my favorite presidents of all time is TR and his gunship diplomacy and "speak softly but carry a big stick" principle has a lot to do with that. That's why I also like George W Bush, especially when he is being a cowboy. I do believe that the last option should always be war and that talking, in many cases can solve problems with most reasonable people, but people like Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, bin Laden and Achmedidjad are beyond talking. They are not sane individuals and therefore a sane approach will not work. I have no problem with bombing the hell out of our enemy, beating them in to submission, if that's what it comes to. Worked for TR, worked for Reagan, works for me. But the strong offense isn't the only answer. Hopefully we can play in a way that it doesn't come to that. Part of that also includes strengthing our borders and immigration laws so folks who want to kill us (or just use our free healthcare and education for that matter) don't pour in here without an invitation. We are in a war and it's a big one. I believe in strong national security.
The Constitution: I think it's an awesome ship. Visited it back in '91. A great testament to the patriots that fought for our freedom from tyranny in the 1770s. Oh wait, you're talking about the document. Also a great piece of writing with a bunch of great ideas that hold as true today as they did in 1776. Of course things change, technology improves and amendments must be made but in general I think amendments should be very few and far between. Now I could really go on, the Constitution being such a broad topic, so unless you have more specific question then I'm going to leave it at that for now.
Eminent Domain: Not a big fan of the government taking land or devaluing it through ludicris restrictions on its use. So CAO? NO! Kelo? No. Bulldozing a house to make room for a freeway interchange? I'd probably go for that? Telling landownders they can't build a 10-story building in a residential neighborhood? Probably pretty okay with that one as well. Telling landowners they can't dump nuclear waste down their sink? I'm copacetic with that as well.
Immigration: pretty much covered it in the National Security section. Tighten our borders, build a fence/wall, whatever, fine companies that hire illegals and make damn well sure we're not giving driver's licenses and social security to illegals (in fact, the only thing I would ever support giving to illegals would be a medical care if lives were in immediate danger, and that's just a matter of humanity. Of course, after they'd recovered I ship their butts back to wherever it is they came from. Same goes for illegal felons. Why are we housing them in our jails? They're probably better conditions than in their own country.
Electibilty vs. Integrity: I don't think we need to compromise on this. I know, personally, so many great politicians that have the utmost of integrity: Dino, Rob, Luke, Toby, Dave Reichert, the list could go on. But to elaborate, there could be a real slick politician with no integrity (Bill Clinton) and someone with the utmost of integrity but who can't string together a coherent sentence while standing in front of a thousand people. Neither of these people should be involved in politics. There's also the folks like you, I'd imagine, who have the utmost of integrity and stick to their guns no matter what. I'm sure you're a great person with a lot of good ideas but I don't think you'd do to well down in Olympia. And I mean that as a compliment. I fully realize that politicians that have staying power enough to get at least a few things done, myself included, no matter how statesmanly, all have at least a thin slice of Machiavellianism. Damn shame but then again, sticking flowers in gunbarrels hasn't exactly worked too well.

Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 1, 2006 02:46 PM
16. You'll forgive me if I didn't read Griswold's long dissertation on his (current) beliefs. But what if he later claims that these were just sarcasm?

WHICH BRINGS US TO THE BET HE IS BACKING OUT OF.

As you can see, above, in a fit of rhetorical bravado (that was sure to shrivel away when challenged) Mark said he would give twenty to one odds on a bet on the outcome of Saturday's election. Like most of what the Gris says, it meant absolutely nothing, but it felt good coming out of his mouth (yes, he moves his lips as he types).
I knew he would back out if challenged and he has. When he made the (empty) boast, there were no conditions. Now he requires me to write a lie on the bill to make good on his illusory promise. To be "wrong" I would have to predict the outcome. I have never predicted the outcome. He has. And he won't back it up.

Posted by: Doug Parris on December 1, 2006 10:39 PM
17. Mark Griswold must be the same person as "Mark the Redneck" on Horse's Ass. Especially since he seems to want to evade and welch on bets. Thanks for helping me figure this out, Doug.

Posted by: Richard Pope on December 2, 2006 12:13 AM
18. Doug and Richard, I say this in all love and respect: hold your fire for skosh. It's not as if anyone is battling for my loyalty here. I'm not that important. I'm just trying to gather my own data.

Mark, I will not be able to make the meeting tomorrow evening, due to schedule conflicts. However, I think that meeting with you is important. I'm in the North end, and I have the early evenings free up through Tuesday. Then the window is closed until next year, literally.

The bottom line for all concerned here is that the truth is ultimately the most important thing. It trumps party platform, it trumps individual ideology, and it trumps political expediency. And if I find that one side or the other is diddling with the truth, you can rest assured that I will light them up mercilessly. I don't care which side it comes from. Remember: I have no affiliations; I have nothing to lose, and I am beholden to nobody except my God. It's kinda fun.

Mark- Email me.

ERN

Posted by: ERNurse on December 2, 2006 01:25 AM
19. Hey Doug, increasing the stakes on a bet is not backing out of one. But if you still want to give me my $10 you're welcome to. And if you're short on cash you could always collect 50 cents from each of the people that voted for you for 2nd Vice Chair!

Richard, I don't post on HorsesAss.org. I leave that completely up to you.

ERNurse, you are awesome. You are quickly gaining stature in my eyes. Anyone who uses the phrase "light them up" must be alright. Sorry I missed you yesterday. It was good fun and you would have been able to witness the liars in action.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 3, 2006 10:01 AM
20. So what happened at yesterday's KCGOP election? Can't find any info about it online or in the blogs. Can someone give us a play by play?

Posted by: john on December 3, 2006 02:01 PM
21. John -- you can find out the results of Saturday's biennial reorganization meeting on the county party website at:

http://www.kcdems.net/

There are several articles and all the results are posted.

WHOOPS! You must have been thinking about the REPUBLICAN party! You can go to their website at:

http://www.kcgop.org/

The King County Republicans website says they will be holding a reorganization meeting on Saturday, December 2, 2006 at:

Islander Middle School
8225 SE 72nd Street
Mercer Island, WA 98040

Credentials open @ 7:30am
Credentials close and meeting opens @ 9:00am

Posted by: Richard Pope on December 3, 2006 03:02 PM
22. Mark: I am only trying to get a better grasp of all sides of the issue at hand here. That means I have to be objective. My willingness to listen should not be construed as a de facto acceptance of any person's perspective on the issues at hand. Like I said: Email me and let's meet over coffee.

I have already said this to Doug, and it certainly bears repeating here: I am not in a position to be a PCO, for example, or take on some other active involvement in the GOP. I have too many nonpartisan connections with the state regarding some nursing policy issues, and to have a direct political affiliation might jeapardize the work I am doing due to a perceived conflict of interest. However, I do enjoy the luxury of seeing both camps from a more objective viewpoint, and thus I enjoy the luxury of making my observations in a strictly objective manner. I will assail Democrats and Republicans alike. Stupidity and hackery are not exclusive to one party or the other. Either party is beset by its party-line morons.

What is needed, I think, is a leadership that can think critically and objectively. Neither party shows any promise in that regard. So in my opinion, both parties are due for flushing, since they both have lost the ability to lead; the Democrats since WW2, and the Republicans since Reagan. My opinion. No charge for that.

Posted by: ERNurse on December 3, 2006 11:25 PM
23. ERNurse, you are absolutely right. Both parties are pretty messed up and usually elections are a choice between the lesser of two evils. I fully admit that politics is a dirty rotten business but for now it's what we have. The two-party system isn't ideal either. The only difference though, is that it forces people to make alliances before the election rather than afterwards as they do in a parlimentary system. That's the biggest problem I have with Doug and Co. They wish only to have people of their opinion allowed in the party. That would be fine if people of their opinion made up a bigger majority than people that hold the majority opinion of the Democrats but that's not realistic and as long as we pursue that strategy, especially in King County, we will be a minority.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 4, 2006 01:24 PM
24. Well, Mark, I personally think that it is possible to be both honorable and ruthless. I'll explain.

Honorable men are ruthless not for the sake of wielding power, but rather for the sake of exposing and crushing injustice. The problem, I think, is that people have become afraid of those character qualities when they are found in the same package. Great men and women carry them both. Our society is afraid of such people because through their very character they expose what is wrong with our society and challenge us to step up to the plate and take a swing for ourselves. I think that most Americans today don't like having to take responsibility for themselves, much less the direction of their nation. We've become lazy, and accustomed to having our thinking done for us. Great people make us uncomfortable about ourselves, so we tend to avoid them.

But great people are not perfect. Nobody is. Not Lincoln, not Teddy Roosevelt, and not Ronald Reagan. But they were a darned sight better than most of the presidents we have had- from either party- in our history. But the great ones face their flaws with humility and transparency. They don't make excuses, they don't lie to the American people, they don't blame the American people for a loss. They suck it up and search themselves with sober reflection.

I know that it is highly unlikely that I will have a candidate who agrees 100% with my personal ideologies. it is not realistic to expect a party whose constituents' ideologies mirror my own; such a group would not be a political party, but a cult.

But if I can find a candidate who bats a thousand on the things that are a really big deal to me- honesty, fidelity, justice, integrity, and moral courage- and mirrors most of what I embrace regarding Constitution and the role and function of government at all levels, then I will back that person with all my might.

I think that if people at all points on the spectrum- yet adherents in practice of the tenets descibed above- can stop throwing rocks (myself included) and find unity in the Big Things (fidelity, justice, honor, integrity, and moral courage), then the Party will come alive. It can't happen with only one faction in control, and fiendishly so, no matter which faction takes the reigns. It will only happen if the people resume control. The current leadership will not serve this party in a manner that will energize and unite us. From what I have read, the vote last Saturday appears to have been the result of participants having been worn down to a sense of apathy. Unfortunately, giving our leadership more power to decide for everyone what is best for us was exactly the wrong thing to do. The party is now a politburo because of it. I am deeply, keenly disappointed that King County GOP's leadership is so determined to stroke their designs for personal power at the price of the destruction of the party. This, then, is the ultimate end for faction-controlled party politics.

The Party has pretty much dissolved into ruin at this point, and it is simply a matter of time until the rest of the State goes the way of King County unless you, and Doug, and I, and everyone else who genuinely cares about the non-negotiable values, stop throwing bombs and sit down together to identify what we do have in common. The current leadership has gained their position by playing us against each other. Until we unite on the basis of integrity, honor, and moral courage, things can only get worse. I am convinced that if everyone concerned continues in the current pattern, the party is doomed and liberalism will have completely defeated good in our county, our state, and our nation.

I'm not particularly interested in playing that scene. Anyone else?

Posted by: ERNurse on December 4, 2006 03:58 PM
25. ERNurse, I completely agree with you on the whole ruthless vs. honorable. In fact, I think that a great leader must have a bit of ruthlessness in him to get things done. It's what separates people like us from liberals that want to solve problems by sticking flowers in gunbarrels.
As far as factionalism within the KCGOP and the current party leadership, I heard some great things on Saturday. Both Michael and Lori gave speeches that motivated the majority of the room. They complimented all those who contributed so much over the past 2 years, including people in the "opposition" i.e. Ruth Gibbs. Could Michael and Lori do a better job? Yes, everyone can do a better job. But the words I heard coming out of Doug's and Ruth's mouths were devisive, not unifying. I would be more than happy to sit down with Doug and find common ground. I believe that Doug and I probably have more in common than not. I just don't think, from what I've heard from him, that he does. He still seems to think that I am pro-gay marriage and pro-abortion. He isn't willing to compromise one bit and compromise is the name of the game in politics, as you've pointed out. No party respresents everyone 100%.

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 4, 2006 05:34 PM
26. Ruth Gibbs' talk about "party loyalty" proved to be a little bit ironic, to be sure. She backed Mike Nykreim for 1st CD Executive Board. He was one of two people on her ticket (the other being Steve Hammond) who won.

Turns out that Nykreim was a supporter of Democrat Rodney Tom over Republican Luke Esser in the 48th district Senate race. Nykreim even donated $100.00 to Tom's Senate campaign on June 16, 2006. And just a couple of months later, he bamboozled King County Republican PCO's in electing him to the state party Executive Board?

Nykreim did, after all, have the backing of "Kirby Wilber" (spelling per Nykreim campaign brochure). Wilbur sets a fine example of party loyalty. The state or county GOP can select Wilbur to chair their convention in the spring. And if they are lucky, Wilbur will endorse at least 75% to 80% of the party's nominees in the fall, and back Democrats in no more than 20% to 25% of the races.

The King County GOP adopted some "Fundamental Principles of Republican Conduct" in its by-laws at Saturday's meeting, along with a disciplinary process whereby people violating these principles can be barred from participating in GOP politics for up to six years.

Unfortunately, these "Fundamental Principles" do not include party loyalty. A PCO or even a party leader can freely endorse a Democrat or give money to a Democrat without any fear of discipline. Hell, they could even file to run for office as a Democrat and still they couldn't be kicked out of a Republican Party leadership position for this reason!

However, if a Republican party activist criticizes a party leader for supporting Democrats, that would constitute a violation of the new conduct rules! It would be considered a personal attack and an abusive confrontation.

Posted by: Richard Pope on December 4, 2006 08:08 PM
27. "Hell, they could even file to run for office as a Democrat and still they couldn't be kicked out of a Republican Party leadership position for this reason!"

Well that's good, otherwise you wouldn't be able to participate, Mr. King County Prosecuting Attorney.

But you raise a good point about Ruth's support of Nykriem. You can't trust these ReaganWing nutroots and their ilk, the type of people that go to liberal democrat blogs and lie about KCGOP budgetary information. (Free bit of legal advice: you can get disbarred for lying. Under oath, of course, but it is something you might want to watch out for, unless of course that depends on what your definition of is is).

Posted by: FullContactPolitics on December 4, 2006 10:59 PM
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