May 30, 2014
Paglia and Prager Find Common Ground

The name Camille Paglia or Dennis Prager may well cause a visceral reaction depending on where one sits on the Left/Right political spectrum. Prager, a Jewish conservative (both religious and political) and nationally syndicated talk show host conducted a fascinating interview with Paglia, a Yale PhD, college professor, lesbian, feminist politically far to Prager's left. No shouting, interruptions or ad hominen attacks, just a straight forward exchange on various political and cultural views. Listen and see if you hear some common ground (about 23 minutes).

CLICK HERE: INTERVIEW

Posted by warrenpeterson at May 30, 2014 05:08 PM | Email This
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1. I happened to listen to part of it yesterday. I respect them both for their truth telling, their wisdom and knowledge. No doubt the truth revealed in the interview is painful to certain others, but newsflash - it doesn't have to be that way !.

Posted by: KDS on May 30, 2014 06:20 PM
2. Prager, a Jewish conservative (both religious and political) and nationally syndicated talk show host conducted a fascinating interview with Paglia, a Yale PhD, college professor, lesbian, feminist politically far to Prager's left.

Shrug.

Aside from the fact that very few would be to Prager's left, they're simply agreeing on their libertarian views, criticism of the left, and a certain kind of 60's / 70's era nostalgia. What's the point? While I'm not really keen on listening to arguments with no resolutions, this isn't really much of a discourse of ideas. Might as well be listening to him interviewing her about puppies or Shaker furniture.

Posted by: demo kid on May 31, 2014 11:26 AM
3. Andrew, mom is calling you up for breakfest.
"While I'm not really keen on listening to arguments with no resolutions, this isn't really much of a discourse of ideas."

For those of us who read your postings, that's funny.

Posted by: Smokie on June 1, 2014 05:58 AM
4. @3: For those of us who read your postings, that's funny.

Warren is pointing to a dialogue between two people that agree that feminists are "Stalinists" and gay men are "undeserving" of marriage. This is less an "exchange", and more an attack against common enemies. How is it a discourse of ideas?

Posted by: demo kid on June 1, 2014 07:52 PM
5. It would be a discourse if some commentors made the attempt to attack the ideas put forth by Prager and Paglia. Granted, it would end up being ridiculous and twisted, but that hasn't stopped the leftwingnut trolls before.

This may be the closest to universal non-dissent on a post for some time.

Posted by: KDS on June 1, 2014 09:14 PM
6. @5. It would be a discourse if some commentors made the attempt to attack the ideas put forth by Prager and Paglia. Granted, it would end up being ridiculous and twisted, but that hasn't stopped the leftwingnut trolls before.

One can certainly refute them -- it isn't too hard! -- but that's not the point of Warren's post. He's making the statement that there is a "straight forward exchange on various political and cultural views", but there isn't much of an "exchange" going on here. She pretty much made the rounds of conservative radio talk shows as a libertarian with a bone to pick with liberals, not as a progressive calmly defending her views.

And therein lies the problem. Warren is asserting that a dialogue without "shouting, interruptions or ad hominem attacks" is possible... as long as other people agree with what he thinks.

But hey, I'll start the "ridiculous" refutation, as you've already started with the insults.

Pro or con, what Paglia thinks of gay men and open marriages and expresses in that show is irrelevant. Marriages between two straight folks are not automatically deemed dissolved by the state even if they have an open marriage, if one or both partners cheat, or if they don't even have marital relations at all. A civil contract between two people to start a household and gain certain rights from that arrangement does not include a role for the state to police consenting acts in their bedroom.

Posted by: demo kid on June 1, 2014 11:02 PM
7. "No doubt the truth revealed in the interview is painful to certain others..."

What "truth" was revealed, and why should anyone else care?

As demo kid points out, Warren posted on this topic because he identifies Pagila as "far to the left of" her interlocutor, yet they both disagree with liberal ideas on marriage and gender equality.

Warren, how about a "free exchange of ideas" which reveals the truth that Washington state's vote for marriage equality harmed no one, and may have strengthened heterosexual marriage? That would be far more relevant on a site dedicated to local politics in Washington state, wouldn't it?

Posted by: tensor on June 2, 2014 11:27 AM
8. Hey Obamabots, I guess we do negotiate with terrorists now. Sergeant Bergdahl for five high value Tangos from Gitmo.

Why not do the same in reverse? We could have a "Give an Infidel" program where if terrorists turn themselves in, we hand over an "infidel" for them to torture, kill and/or offer to Allah. That would be a good use of some of you Obamabots. You could really show how much you believe in government, and volunteer to be the "infidel" for trade. What better way to serve your country and lower your carbon footprint at the same time?

Posted by: Mike on June 2, 2014 02:31 PM
9. After (un)SP languishes in a coma for over a week with nothing but yet another insipid Jim Miller post about his unwarranted smugness to show for itself, Warren Peterson posts about somehow finding common ground with a libertarian birther who has a crush on Sarah Palin, and who claims that TeaBirchers aren't racist.

Sigh! I was hoping to be the one to kill this blog, but if you and Miller want to do it for me, I'm good with that.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 2, 2014 02:41 PM
10. Mike whines, "I guess we do negotiate with terrorists now"

President Reagan and Iran swapped missiles for hostages. Hypocrite much?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 2, 2014 02:51 PM
11. Reagan's legacy in a nutshell - missiles for Iran, 241 dead in Beirut, dead nuns in El Salvador, skyrocketing deficits, tax increases and the failure of trickle-down economics known as the Great Republican Recession. Heh. And for that miserable record, you twits bestowed Sainthood on him.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 2, 2014 02:59 PM
12. Dr. Z. -- old Jim has really out-done himself this time. He whines about the First Amendment supposedly being under attack. Comments are closed. Irony dies.

Posted by: tensor on June 2, 2014 03:13 PM
13. .
@8 Mike on June 2, 2014 02:31 PM,

I look forward to you spearheading the protest effort in Hailey, Idaho of war veterans (you are a vet, right?) of this terrible Obama negotiation, ney - deal making!, with terrorists .

No doubt you, as a war veteran (you are a vet, right?), you'll make the case where America can see you!

Here's a tip for you. You can paste a copy of your DD214 on your protest signs.

Be sure to demand Congress impeach Obama.

uchpos

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on June 2, 2014 05:33 PM
14. @8: Hey Obamabots, I guess we do negotiate with terrorists now. Sergeant Bergdahl for five high value Tangos from Gitmo.
At no point did they say that the terrorists were "high value", just that they were part of a deal brokered by Qatar. But seriously, I have a hard time believing that even a reptilian conservative brain cannot understand that there is more going on here. Why exactly WOULD the Administration broker a deal that would actually turn into a (predictable) PR quagmire? There's literally NO upside to setting someone free that is, by many accounts, a deserter. Squawking about "negotiating with terrorists" ignores a potentially bigger play here.

@12. Dr. Z. -- old Jim has really out-done himself this time. He whines about the First Amendment supposedly being under attack. Comments are closed. Irony dies.
He literally cannot connect an argument together to save his life. Regardless of whether you believe him or not, he cannot be bothered to discuss why campaign contributions can even be considered "speech", and simply whines that his website could get shut down by some partisan hacks in Olympia or Washington. Even barring the fact that this NEVER WOULD HAPPEN EVER, this would have to equally impact left-wing bloggers as well, and would in fact be considered "abridging the right of the free press".

Posted by: demo kid on June 2, 2014 07:05 PM
15. @9, @10 "Warren Peterson posts about somehow finding common ground with a libertarian birther who has a crush on Sarah Palin, and who claims that TeaBirchers aren't racist."

WTF are you blathering about ? Nonsense - Twisted and ridiculous - I knew it could be done by a leftist posing as a pinhead. Pardon me while I fart...

Posted by: KDS on June 2, 2014 08:15 PM
16. Obama and his minions on the left are similar to the weather - everyone talks about it, but (take note opposition) no one does anything about it !

Similarly it can also be said of Islamists that pertains to the leftist power brokers (the Obama regime) - they do nothing but empower Al Qaeda and their affiliate terrorist networks. They did not even negotiate with the Taliban over the release of an American POW of questionable allegiance...

Posted by: KDS on June 2, 2014 10:29 PM
17. ,.. he cannot be bothered to discuss why campaign contributions can even be considered "speech",

He did link to something about the Citizens United ruling, which is of course the latest in a series of court rulings which equate money with speech, so as to eviscerate limits on campaign spending. (Since a tax upon speech would be a direct violation of the First Amendment, this equation fails on its own terms, which may explain Jim's refusal to go there.) We created the Fourteenth Amendment to reverse the Dredd Scott decision, and this proposal would reverse the series of rulings which culminated in Citizens United.

Jim and the (un)SP crowd are terrified of this, not due to any concerns about free speech (comments are closed!) but because without massive infusions of cash to buy politicians and sway elections, their fiction crumbles, and they would be reduced to a bunch of cranks whining on the web sites they censor. With marriage equality, marijuana legalization, rising minimum wages, more women and minorities in elected offices, even this crowd might eventually deduce time is not on their side, and so they are grasping to keep whatever means "their" side still has.

When you gaze into the dustbin of history, the dustbin also gazes into you, and the resulting effect is not pleasant.

Posted by: tensor on June 3, 2014 07:09 AM
18. "Nonsense - Twisted and ridiculous"

Hey, Stupe, don't blame me for your ignorance.

Paglia is a libertarian who questioned Obama's birth certificate, had a girl-crush on Palin and has claimed that TeaBirchers aren't racist.

Paglia, "I personally feel as a libertarian"

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/12/21/camille-paglia-duck-dynasty-suspension-utterly-fascist-utterly-stalinist/

Paglia on Palin, "the biggest step forward in feminism since Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_10/shes_baaacck_salon_once_again040486.php

Paglia, "First of all, I reject the idea that the "birther" campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama's birth certificate."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Paglias_a_birther.html

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 3, 2014 07:21 AM
19. @18 "Nonsense - Twisted and ridiculous"

Yup, Obama encourages people especially those who oppose him to bring up birther related issues and because he is a patent LIAR, most sane people have difficulty believing him. He brings it on himself...

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/obama-birther-issue-comes-twice-white-house-correspondents-dinner/

"Paglia, "First of all, I reject the idea that the "birther" campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama's birth certificate."

So what ! Again, Obama brought it on himself by refusing to be forthcoming about his birth certificate. It only reinforces the fact he cannot be trusted.

"has claimed that TeaBirchers aren't racist."

She happens to have a valid argument, stupe. Politico's blog title is fendercarb. Back at you and your entitlist ilk; tensor, MBS. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

― Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D)

Posted by: KDS on June 3, 2014 06:09 PM
20. So what ! Again, Obama brought it on himself by refusing to be forthcoming about his birth certificate.

Yes, he merely released it, along with a birth advertisement his family had bought in a Honolulu newspaper. But, to be fair to you birthers, reading has never been amongst your strong points. Watching you you all writhe with impotent rage when he finally deigned to punk you was delicious, though; thanks again!

Posted by: tensor on June 3, 2014 07:15 PM
21. @20 - You think I am a birther ? HA ! that shows how out of touch you are - he's an American citizen, since his mother was.

BTW- it was later brought out that the long form of the cert was bogus, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts, dude. Whether is was a real attempt to punk the birther crowd is speculation and if he did to gain a perceived political advantage, so what !

Posted by: KDS on June 3, 2014 07:37 PM
22. Obamabots:

Now that it turns out that the soldier traded for five Taliban was a deserter and a traitor, the Administration has gone mute. But it is about par for the course that this Administration would buddy up with a traitor.

Again, I suggest you Obamabot traitors turn yourselves in to free a Gitmo detainee. Don't you support your messiah Obama?

Posted by: Mike on June 3, 2014 09:21 PM
23. And if/when the freed Taliban are part of another terror attack, let us at least hope that they pick Progressive targets.

Posted by: Mike on June 3, 2014 09:24 PM
24. I am wondering when Obama will be holding a tolerance summit at the Whitehouse to discuss this ugly racial situation.

Crickets.

Posted by: Mike on June 3, 2014 09:35 PM
25. @23 - that's a bit nasty, you are stooping close to Mike BS's level. However, the progressives are certainly to blame for future increased dangers of kidnapping and terrorism overseas by this development, thanks to their leadership with their heads collectively up their tuckus, but they think its cool not to care.

Obama is right along side Al Sharpton as being a race baiter (i.e. reverse racist if you will). He was just trying to distract from other scandals by doing the 1 for 5 trade, where he stooped to a new low by negotiating with terrorists and giving them what they wanted.

To show you how warped and out of touch these leftwing progressive clowns in DC are, they thought the public reaction would be ecstatic - instead of the existing outrage. The trade for the American POW deserter is what pissed off many, and a good number of Democrats - the ones who still care about this country as it is. The progressivists don't seem to care one way or the other because they think its cool to drag down everyone else along with them.

Crickets.

Posted by: KDS on June 3, 2014 10:08 PM
26. Sure, KDS, you're not a birther; you just keep questioning the validity of the documents which establish President Obama's birth in Hawai'i, even though their validity was never in doubt, and any speculation was refuted years ago. Also, I didn't say he intended to punk you with his release of the document you birthers had misnamed the "long form birth certificate," I merely noted that he had so punked you. Thanks for the laughs.

Posted by: tensor on June 4, 2014 07:01 AM
27. @25

It is not nasty. If Obama and Progressives are going to trade traitors for terrorists, decimate US foreign policy and subject Americans to greater financial stress, then they should be the ones to bear the brunt of their policies. Every Obamabot should pay more in taxes, and take a bigger risk due to their support of risky policy.

Posted by: Mike on June 4, 2014 08:40 AM
28. "Sure, KDS, you're not a birther"

And is no racist either. Heh.

"Obama is right along side Al Sharpton as being a race baiter (i.e. reverse racist if you will). He was just trying to distract from other scandals by doing the 1 for 5 trade, where he stooped to a new low by negotiating with terrorists and giving them what they wanted."

Hmm, my wingnut decoder ring fails me here, so I'll just have to try translating this one myself. I come up with, "Trading enemy combatants for an American soldier at the end of the Afghanistan War only happened because Obama is a nappy-headed, jive-talking bongo." Or something like that.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 10:42 AM
29. So, Mike, you're going to lead by example here, paying more in taxes and taking on additional personal risk due to W's failed war in Iraq, a.k.a. Al-Qaeda's Biggest Recruiting Boost Ever*, right?

(Crickets.)

*Not counting President Reagan's helping Osama bin Laden to found Al-Qaeda, of course.

Posted by: tensor on June 4, 2014 12:36 PM
30. "Obama is right along side Al Sharpton as being a race baiter (i.e. reverse racist if you will). He was just trying to distract from other scandals by doing the 1 for 5 trade, where he stooped to a new low by negotiating with terrorists and giving them what they wanted."

A reasoned opinion based on fact. Do you have any evidence to refute it ?

@29 - Hmm, my wingnut decoder ring fails me here, so I'll just have to try translating this one myself. I come up with, "Trading enemy combatants for an American soldier at the end of the Afghanistan War only happened because Obama is a nappy-headed, jive-talking bongo."

Your brain also failed you - any common sense is missing - looking stupid by trying to be cute. Your latent racism shines brightly, Dr. Wierdo...LMFAO

"Sure, KDS, you're not a birther; you just keep questioning the validity of the documents which establish President Obama's birth in Hawai'i, even though their validity was never in doubt, and any speculation was refuted years ago."

@6 - tensor - Is that all you've got ? You are thick as a brick. Did I not come out and say that he is a citizen, since his mother was ? Are you being a moron on purpose ? The glitches found by others in birth certificate docs are all show and don't make one whit of difference to me ! You have already shown that you are a willful low information voter and a progressivist maniac spewing straw man nonsense in your attempt to emulate Mr. Obama. Grow up and face reality.

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32. @27 Mike on June 4, 2014 08:40 AM,

What branch of the service did you serve during the 10 years of war to gain your expert knowledge of the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Did you volunteer to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan? How many tours did you do?
What was the character of your service?

Or are you just another chickenhawk POS keyboard commando tuff guy talking down people who had the balls to enlist and serve in combat?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on June 4, 2014 03:16 PM
33. So what ! Again, Obama brought it on himself by refusing to be forthcoming about his birth certificate.

Since there was never any reason to question his citizenship in the first place -- his birth in Hawai'i was well-documented -- only birther loons ever questioned it. Even bringing this up, especially this long after the matter was put to rest, counts as a form of birtherism. Your attempt to shift blame from the birthers to their intended target merely reinforces the point.

Posted by: tensor on June 4, 2014 03:53 PM
34. @30: "Obama is right along side Al Sharpton as being a race baiter (i.e. reverse racist if you will). He was just trying to distract from other scandals by doing the 1 for 5 trade, where he stooped to a new low by negotiating with terrorists and giving them what they wanted." A reasoned opinion based on fact. Do you have any evidence to refute it ?
Al Sharpton wasn't involved in this, nor is there any evidence here that Obama is a "race baiter". Simply claiming that you have a "reasoned opinion" based on "evidence" does not make it so, especially when it doesn't seem like you can string an argument together to save your life. Your spittle-filled ranting and ravings here are pointless.

Likewise, it makes little sense that this was done to distract from other "scandals" (fictional or otherwise). Negotiations through a third-party like the Qatari government don't happen overnight, and they were definitely in progress even before the White House knew the Phoenix VA would be investigated by the media. This is a completely different play.

Your brain also failed you - any common sense is missing - looking stupid by trying to be cute. Your latent racism shines brightly, Dr. Wierdo...LMFAO
What "latent racism"? He's simply pointing out that you're a twit, and that you're either quite deluded about the real reason for the birther movement or willing to support other people's racism just for partisan gain.

Did I not come out and say that he is a citizen, since his mother was ? Are you being a moron on purpose ? The glitches found by others in birth certificate docs are all show and don't make one whit of difference to me !
You're simply inconsistent. First you whine and complain that Obama is a "liar", when you yourself indicate that he's telling the truth. Likewise, you're complaining about his birth certificate when you seem to express here that you don't doubt what it says. Make up your mind, and keep your delusions straight.

You have already shown that you are a willful low information voter and a progressivist maniac spewing straw man nonsense in your attempt to emulate Mr. Obama. Grow up and face reality.
There is absolutely nothing that he said that indicates he is even close to a "low information voter". On the other hand, you cannot even keep your stories straight, and decide to throw meaningless insults to try to cover up your confusion.

Posted by: demo kid on June 4, 2014 04:01 PM
35. "Obama is right along side Al Sharpton as being a race baiter"

"A reasoned opinion based on fact. Do you have any evidence to refute it ?"

You're one stupe, babbling, racist SOB, KDS. You introduced the president's race to this conversation, which is completely irrelevant. WTF does the president's race or his so-called "race-baiting" have to do with either Paglia, Prager or Bergdahl? Absolutely nothing, of course, unless you're a goddamned racist and you have to bring up the president's race in every goddamned conversation.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 04:07 PM
36. If you don't want your readers to think you're a birther loon, you might want to avoid making birther claims in birther language:

"the long form of the cert was bogus,"

"...he's an American citizen, since his mother was."

No, that's John McCain's claim to citizenship -- he was not born in any of the United States, but at least one of his parents was an American citizen. President Obama was born in Hawai'i after it became a state; his claim to citizenship rests entirely upon that fact, and needs no other support. Implying his claim needs anything else is just more birtherism.

But, of course, the white candidate's eligibility was never questioned, not ever, because birthers are totally not racist, right?

Posted by: tensor on June 4, 2014 05:43 PM
37. Fish on!

What's a matter BS? You can dish it but you can't take it? Since you claim to be military, does is make sense to get soldiers killed looking for a deserter Obama can use for a PR op?

Posted by: Mike on June 4, 2014 06:11 PM
38. "does is make sense to get soldiers killed looking for a deserter Obama can use for a PR op"

You really need to quit making shit up. According to the DOD today, there is no evidence that anybody died looking for Bergdahl. As for his being a deserter, that could be, but I'll let our military justice system sort that one out, not some 'tard like you who requires no evidence, only wingnut talking points.

Guilty until proven innocent. Evidence and proof. Back to our racist TeaBirchers, "guilty before proven innocent" is at the very core of bigotry, racism, lynchings and their ugly 21st Century American spawn, birtherism. In the racist/bigot/birther mindset, the accuser needn't prove guilt. No, the accused, including our black president, must prove his innocence. As with our president's long and short form birth certificates, any proof offered is rejected, as with "the long form of the cert was bogus". The black man must prove his "proof", and for the racist, no proof of proof is ever enough proof. With that, the racist can lynch a man, be it literally or figuratively, without a trial.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 06:53 PM
39. From the Washington Post -
"A majority of voters say the Obama administration is less competent than Bill Clinton's and a plurality say it is less competent than George W. Bush's according to a new Fox News poll released Wednesday.

"Sixty-eight percent say the Obama administration is less competent that the Clinton administration. Forty-eight percent say it is less competent than Bush's, compared to 42 percent who say it is more competent. Seven percent judge Obama's and Bush's the same."

Oops, it was from the Insurgent news network, but printed in the WaPo -go figure..

@34 - "There is absolutely nothing that he said that indicates he is even close to a "low information voter". On the other hand, you cannot even keep your stories straight,

What stories ?

@34 - Simply claiming that you have a "reasoned opinion" based on "evidence" does not make it so...

And you have nothing except incessant whining to offer and your defensiveness begs the question - do my comments to tensor hit close to your home ? If you disagree, try a civil discourse and you might learn something for a change, instead of smuggly believing you know it all like you typically do. So you throw back meaningless insults - DemoKid - thy names are Hypocrite and ignorant. What I wrote to tensor is none your damn business.

@35 - Dr. Wierdo; Blah, blah, blah. you spittling little beeyotch. You have issues - it shows in you slinging insults and incoherent musings, you need a time out.

@36 - One question; Was Obama's mama an American citizen ?


Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 07:13 PM
40. 'You really need to quit making shit up. According to the DOD today, there is no evidence that anybody died looking for Bergdahl."

Excuse me, your are talking through your a-hole again. It depends who one chooses to believe. Col. Ralph Peters claimed that there was because the troops spread out in search mode with up to 11 killed because they were in a more vulnerable location. This is good enough for me and is more credible than the clueless Sec. Hagel from the DOD who clearly have a bias on their side (i.e. the White House). I bet you also believe Bergdahl was being "swift boated" as wannabe emperor Obama suggested. Your critical thinking skills are underwhelming. Our justice system will sort out Bergdahl's fate.

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 07:30 PM
41. "Blah, blah, blah"

So tell us, Stupe, about the relevance of the president being a "reverse racist" and "race-biting", as you put it, to the subject of Bergdalh's release?

You're just another racist TeaBircher stupe, KDS, always injecting the president's race when irrelevant. If you had anything resembling a spine, you'd own your racism. But you don't have a spine, do you?

"What I wrote to tensor is none your damn business."

Seeing as how you need a clue, Stupe, you're posting your comments on a public freakin' blog.

Gawd, what a stupe!

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 07:33 PM
42. @41 - You have no argument just verbal vomiting at will - you are a pathetic excuse for a human (?)

"you're posting your comments on a public freakin' blog."

Coming from an out of control loon like you, that is freakin' hilarious. Try looking in the mirror - if it doesn't break right away - LMAO !

I'll own my own racism when you own yours, spineless comrade...

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 07:43 PM
43. Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon - you write a lot Joanie who used to obnoxiously post on Blatherwatch, which has since shut down.

Are you Joanie in drag ?

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 07:48 PM
44. you write a lot like Joanie... you both excel at verbal vomiting :(

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 07:50 PM
45. "You have no argument just verbal vomiting at will"

You project too much, Stupe. I hear it's a Psych 101 thing.

"Col. Ralph Peters claimed..."

He wasn't there. Peters retired in 1998. But here's what he had to say when taking a break from cashing the checks he receives from Fox News for bashing President Obama,

"We need a fresh, unprejudiced 15-6 investigation (the military equivalent of a grand jury)."

"it's important to do this by the numbers."

This is America, Stupe, where one is innocent until proven guilty. If you don't like it here, move your lame racist ass somewhere else.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 08:10 PM
46. "He wasn't there. Peters retired in 1998".

Chuck Hagel, who made the baseless claim by DOD was not there.
Peters has insider information from commanders in Afghanistan.
He is correct about the investigation that needs to be conducted. Try again and next time try to do less verbal vomiting on a public blog.

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 08:26 PM
47. "you write a lot like Joanie"

If she called you a stupe, I'd say she had your number.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 08:26 PM
48. "Chuck Hagel, who made the baseless claim by DOD was not there."

Baseless? It is your accusation that is baseless, Stupe. Hagel, a Republican, by the way, is the current Secretary of Defense as well as an Army volunteer who served in Vietnam and was the recipient of two Purple Hearts, the Army Commendation Medal and the Combat Infantryman Badge. He might have inside info as well as personal integrity, don't you think, Stupe?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 4, 2014 08:42 PM
49. Yes, baseless comrade. You got it.

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 08:59 PM
50. "you write a lot like Joanie"

@47 Dr. Wierdo - She had a drinking problem, which was revealed and you have your vices whatever they are. As I said yours and her verbal vomiting sound quite similar. She either changed the topic or resorted to name calling whenever she had no coherent argument - just like you do !

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52. "Hagel, a Republican, by the way, is the current Secretary of Defense...He might have inside info as well as personal integrity."

The current Secretary of Defense - just because he is a Republican and ex-military doesn't mean squat - more importantly; his judgment is distorted and apparently doesn't mind negotiating with terrorists - that's why Obama selected him, weirdo.

If you show your ignorance by spewing more insults after reading this, its because you can't handle the truth. Sorry, you aren't entitled to your own set of facts that can be proven false, wierdo.

The previous DOD secretary, Leon Panetta, IMO has more personal integrity and better judgment and he is a Democrat.

Posted by: KDS on June 4, 2014 09:51 PM
53. @29

tensor, one of us is smart enought to realize that both Bush and Obama did a terrible job. With 60% of Americans broadly agreeing that this Administration is a mess, and a much greater and longer economic stagnation, Obama is the worse of the two. You are backing a thin skinned authoritarian who would make Nixon blush.

And the real failure of Obama is that he promised so much and promised to unite us. You can crow all you want about Obama inheriting mistakes from Bush and there will be slivers of truth there. But the one thing Obama fully owns is that he has consistently been a cleaver to the unity and spirit of the United States. And that is why 60% now also say the American dream is unattainable. That failure is on you. Nice going.

Posted by: Mike on June 5, 2014 05:06 AM
54. Mike -- your long rambling contra factual blather works well as a whining, terrified "Noooooo!!!" in response to my question, "... you're going to lead by example here, paying more in taxes and taking on additional personal risk due to W's failed war in Iraq...?"

Don't worry; neither your impotent, bitter malice towards your fellow Americans, nor your total refusal to accept any responsibility for your own failed choices, comes as any kind of a surprise.

Posted by: tensor on June 5, 2014 05:34 AM
55. "neither your impotent, bitter malice towards your fellow Americans, nor your total refusal to accept any responsibility for your own failed choices, comes as any kind of a surprise."

@54 - Ironic - No one could have described you better than you just did. Of course, you will never own it because or your inherent lack of character displayed in your comments.

Posted by: KDS on June 5, 2014 07:25 AM
56. Stupe sez, "Col. Ralph Peters claimed..."

Stupe sez, "ex-military doesn't mean squat"

LMFAO! You're such a stupe!

Stupe sez of Hagel, "his judgment is distorted and apparently doesn't mind negotiating with terrorists"

And yet you deify Reagan who negotiated with terrorists, trading missiles for dead nuns. Lack a moral compass much?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 5, 2014 07:58 AM
57. Don't worry; neither your impotent, bitter malice towards your fellow Americans, nor your total refusal to accept any responsibility for your own failed choices, comes as any kind of a surprise.
Posted by tensor at June 5, 2014 05:34 AM

And I, for one, want to sincerely THANK YOU for election and support of President Cowpie (as in, everything he touches turns into a crap sandwich), and CONGRATULATE YOU on getting every single thing thing you wanted ... Obamacare, Gitmo terrorists released, forced Cap and Trade, signing statements, filibuster rule changes and especially your $15 minimum wage! Keep up the good work and keep working to implement MORE of everything you want. I can't wait for it.

Posted by: Rags wants the simple-minded followers of dishonest liberalism to have everything they want on June 5, 2014 09:52 AM
58. @55,

You cannot reach through their blind allegiance. Do not bother. He does not get that anyone right of the Obamabot clique is for personal responsibility. The rest of us are glad to contribute to the social compact on the assumption that everyone is pulling their weight. But that is no longer true because of Obama.

His is the party of arbitrary minimum wage based not on employee value, but on force. The party of free cellphones. The party of the highest percentage of unemployed, and worse those who have given up looking for jobs. The party of the highest percentage of food stamp recipients. The party of debt forgiveness. The part of cash for clunkers. His is the party of ask not what you can do for your country, but what you can do to sit on your ass and let somebody else solve your problems.

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60. .
@37 Mike (yellow bellied coward) on June 4, 2014 06:11 PM,

The only "fish" on is you, you asshole.
When the time and opportunity came to don a military uniform and put your life on the line you wimped out and sat bravely at your keyboard while men like Sgt Bergdahl manned up and enlisted.

You can bravely sit at your keyboard and regurgitate all the libellous slander you like about a man who had the balls you'll never possess, but at the end of the day it is you, Mike the yellow bellied coward, who deserted the call to action and who was a traitor to the causes you claim to profess.

Like every other important topic in the past 30 years, this Republican wingnut bullshit about Sgt Bergdahl will not pan out.

But, hey, you keep it up - you cowardly ASSHOLE

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on June 5, 2014 05:14 PM
61. Well, Rags, with Seattle passing the $15/hour minimum wage, will you now give more money to the Seattle-based Washington Policy Center, and raise more money as a table captain at their events in downtown Seattle? Or will you stop sending money to Seattle via the Seattle-based Washington Policy Center? Will you require them to relocate their headquarters and events from Seattle to some place without the $15/hour minimum wage? Because I'm pretty sure they don't want to leave lovely liberal Seattle for any less-expensive place you'd recommend to them.

The Washington Policy Center has made it their policy to live and work in Seattle. They've told us -- via their actions and financial expenditures, not their blog posts and speeches -- which policies they really prefer. Will you keep supporting liberal Seattle policies via your subsidies of the Seattle-based Washington Policy Center?

Do tell.

Posted by: tensor on June 5, 2014 08:18 PM
62. Boo hoo BS. It makes my day to see you whining.

Posted by: Mike on June 6, 2014 06:34 AM
63. "It makes my day to see you whining."

Whine? LMFAO! You were dressed down by a man who served this country and you damned well had it coming to you. You Keyboard Kommando Kowards are just too damned funny. Um, to be clear, that's "funny", as in "too pathetic for words".

Too stupe to know when you've had your ass handed to you, huh, Mike? No surprise there, buddy.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 6, 2014 09:11 AM
64. Headline: "Student subdues shooter with pepper spray as he tries to reload"

As those eleven words blow so many of your wingnut talking points completely out of the water, I don't imagine we'll being seeing a post or any comments about this incident on this blog any time soon.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 6, 2014 09:23 AM
65. Speaking about dressing down wingnuts, this military man really sticks it to the TeaBirchers for their gross behaviour over Bergdahl. This is one epic takedown.

http://aattp.org/negotiating-with-terrorists-bowe-bergdahl/

Below, his intro. Believe me, he's just warming up. By the time he gets to Ted Cruz, he's on a roll.

"Look at yourselves, you silly selfish bastards.

Look. At. Yourselves.

Go on, do it, find a mirror and look into your own dead zombie eyes and see the empty void looking back.

This revolting, disgusting display of hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy, is this what we've finally become?

Are we now so filled with foul bilious hatred, are we now so consumed with soul-destroying fear, do we now despise our own selves so much that we would actually protest the return of one of our own? Is that it?

Is that what we've become?"

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 6, 2014 10:08 AM
66. Dear Tensor - Why, oh why, do you set up straw men and change the subject? (Psst - you evidently learned that well at the clay feet of President Cowpie [as in, everything he touches turns into a crap sandwich]). I was congratulating you on getting every single thing you want (and even I forgot your now legal dope!) and wished you well to get even more.

Do tell.

I can't wait!

Posted by: Rags wants the simple-minded followers of dishonest liberalism to have everything they want on June 6, 2014 11:43 AM
68. "Keep up the good work and keep working to implement MORE of everything you want. I can't wait for it."

No problem, Rags.

News Flash: Wisconsin marriage ban struck down

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/06/wisconsin-same-sex-marriage/10093565/

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 6, 2014 06:17 PM
69. Cause and effect? With only a Jim "Freedom of Speech" Miller post on the home page, this blog slips back into a death-like coma. Every. Damned. Time.

LMFAO! Works for me!

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on June 6, 2014 06:22 PM
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