April 29, 2014
Inslee issues global warming executive order

After many hints about executive action and bold moves, Gov. Jay Inslee issued an executive order today aimed at reducing Washington's carbon output.

Under the order, Inslee sets up a 21-member task force that will advise on a legislative package for 2015, orders state agencies to develop strategies to use more electric vehicles and build up charging station infrastructure, and seeks to retrofit older buildings while ensuring new state buildings are "green."

Notably absent from the order is implementation of a low carbon fuel standard. Earlier this year, legislative Republicans pushed Inslee to reveal his intentions on low carbon fuels, saying his reticence cast a shadow over negotiations for a statewide transportation package. Republicans worried that if they approved an 11.5 cent increase in gas taxes, Inslee would impose a low carbon fuel standard after the fact, further raising the price of gas.

Instead, Inslee today ordered his Office of Financial Management to "evaluate the technical feasibility, costs and benefits, and job implications of requiring the use of cleaner transportation fuels through standards that reduce the carbon intensity of these fuels over time."

The 21-member Carbon Emissions Reduction task force, stacked with Inslee's political allies and groups that will financially benefit from the executive order, is tasked with recommending a cap-and-trade system for the state. That decision drew fire from Todd Myers of the Washington Policy Center, who argues that, following British Columbia's example, a straight-up carbon tax is a fairer and simpler way to reduce carbon. Myers said of Inslee's approach:

Instead, Governor Inslee wants a cap-and-trade system that is notorious for its failure in Europe and resulted in widespread manipulation and cheating. Such systems are favored by politicians because they can be politically designed to reward supporters.

By promoting a cap-and-trade system, Governor Inslee prioritizes political control over environmental effectiveness.

Inslee is clearly worried about public perceptions that the carbon reduction schemes will be a hit to consumers' wallets. In the order, he instructs the task force to design its cap-and-trade system to "maximize the benefits and minimize the implementation costs," while considering "measures to help offset any cost impacts to consumers and workers, protect low-income households, and assist energy-intensive, trade-exposed businesses in their transition away from carbon-based fuels."

Those clauses bring to mind the old adage, "Don't tax me, don't tax thee, tax the man behind the tree." A carbon reduction plan will cost money and consumers will pay for it, directly or indirectly.

Washington has only one coal-fired electrical generating plant, the TransAlta plant in Lewis County that is to be shut down by 2025, but Inslee's order seeks to eliminate any in-state use of electricity sourced from out-of-state coal fired plants. That will no doubt be concerning to Puget Sound Energy and others. This part of the order isn't surprising, given Inslee's antipathy to coal (which is the reason he will be featured in the May 12 episode of the James Cameron-produced environmental series Years of Living Dangerously on Showtime). The attempt to prevent "leakage," or the pushing of carbon production to other states, will run into the reality that electricity is traded on the open market and is easily moved around.

With so much electricity sourced from carbon-free hydroelectric plants, Washington is already one of the least carbon-intensive states. Because of our relatively clean electricity, a higher proportion of Washington's carbon is from vehicles than many other states. To that end, the transportation section of Inslee's order sounds like a Futurewise and Sightline wish list, but might not be so appealing to Washington drivers. From the order:

The plan must explore alternative revenue sources to fund our transportation system, including vehicle-miles-traveled fees, system-wide tolling, demand-management and trip-reduction strategies, and other reforms such as least-cost planning, transit-oriented land use, freight-corridor development, prioritized-project selection, and similar innovative tools.

The order also calls for state agencies to evaluate buying more electric vehicles, while the state Department of Transportation is to continue building charging stations along state highways and explore "financial and non-financial incentives," including building code requirements, to encourage more electric vehicle use and charging infrastructure.

Two words you won't read in the order: "hydroelectric" or "nuclear." Inslee pushes solar in the order (which always sounds like a nice, consequence-free ways to produce electricity), but it won't be producing the load electricity needed to power the state's economy, let alone a growing contingent of electric cars. Rather than just preaching "technology," wouldn't a grown-up approach to carbon reduction address the realistic options for producing low-carbon electricity in the next few decades?

Posted by Adam Faber at April 29, 2014 06:37 PM | Email This
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1. The bigger issue is acidification of oceans, which is never mentioned - because the media is too stupid, corrupt and propagandized. CO2 will not make a difference in temperature on the planet no matter what pompous exec order is enacted. Besides, China and India will more than atone for less carbon emitted for this country - the only reason carbon is used is that it is a taxable commodity, unlike methane and water vapor- which affect surface temperature significantly more than CO2 - a scientific fact - for those of you leftists who think about being too cute by a half with your contrarian claptrap..

What a waste of government ! No surprise.
Try bringing up a more uplifting topic next time - there are some out there.

Posted by: KDS on April 29, 2014 09:43 PM
2. Saving energy and retrofitting old building makes good sense. But worrying about Global Warming and pushing useless energy sources like wind and solar is for idiots. Especially in a state with plentiful hydroelectric.

But this is what we have come to expect from dumbf--k Dems. Wasting money while not solving any real problems.

Posted by: Mike on April 29, 2014 10:28 PM
3. Ever notice that these morons (like Gov. Jay Idiot) NEVER cite any chemical evidence that CO2 retains atmospheric heat?

Always some leftist with a new scheme for government control.

No anthropomorphic activity will ever approach some periods of volcanic activity. Where do these dimwits think limestone (CaCO3, the earth's most plentiful sedimentary rock) comes from?

Posted by: jcub on April 30, 2014 03:41 AM
4. "That will no doubt be concerning to Puget Sound Energy and others."

By "and others", I assume you mean PSE's foreign investors and those who hack on right-wing blogs for them.

PSE, a corporation whose business model is to receive and profit from corporate welfare - hundreds of millions from BPA each year, paid for by the non-profit PUD customers in this state, jacking up their rates. PSE, a corporation whose investors are assured over 10% profit each year no matter how much they screw up. PSE, a corporation whose business accumen and foresight has left them with a coal plant as their largest energy plant in the era of smaller carbon footprints. PSE, whose residential customers have seen their rates soar at twice the national average to become the second highest rates in the state.

There isn't a single residential PSE or PUD customer in this state who wouldn't benefit from seeing PSE broken up into PUDs. As for their coal plant, the PUDs would have access to BPA reserve power whereas PSE has no access to BPA power, only the corporate welfare they receive so they don't screw their customers even worse.

http://www.wpuda.org/PDF_files/PSE%20Rate%20Comparison.pdf

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on April 30, 2014 12:09 PM
5. This is what we have to look forward too. Inslee was in DC (District of Corruption) and now he is taking his inept decision-making to our state.

Bankrupt Green Energy Companies that received substantial federal and/or state subsidies:

•Beacon Power Corp: Received $43 million in federal loan guaranteed in 2009 and also received $29 million in PA grants - Bankrupt in October 2011
•Ener1 (parent company of EnerDel): Received $118.5 million in federal loan guarantees -- Bankrupt in January 2012 - has since exited bankruptcy
•Evergreen Solar: Received $58 million in MA loan guarantees (an undisclosed portion sourced from federal ARRA block grant) -- Bankrupt in August 2011 with $485.6 million in debt
•Solyndra: Received $535 million in federal loan guarantees in 2009 and $25.1 million in CA tax credit -- Bankrupt in August 2011
•SpectraWatt: Received $500,000 in federal loan guarantees in 2009 -- Bankrupt in August 2011
•Babcock and Brown: Received $178 million in federal grants in December 2009 (4 months after it went bust) - Bankrupt in early 2009
•Mountain Plaza Inc.: Received $424,000 in federal grants through TN Department of Transportation in 2009 -- Bankrupt in 2003 and again in June 2010
•Solar Trust of America (parent company: Solar Millennium): Received $2.1 billion loan guarantee in April 2011 - Bankrupt in April 2012

Other Subsidized Green Energy Companies in decline:
•A123: Received $300 million in federal grants and $135 million in MI grants -- Declining orders and have forced multiple layoffs
•Amonix, Inc.: Received $5.9 million in federal tax credits in 2009 through ARRA -- Laid off 2/3 of work force
•First Solar: Received $3 billion in federal loan guarantees -- Biggest S&P loser in 2011, CEO fired
•Fisker Automotive: $529 million in federal loan guarantees -- Multiple 2012 sales prediction downgrades for first car release, delivery and cash flow troubles; Assembling cars in Finland
•Johnson Controls: Received $299 million in federal grants in 2009 -- Low demand caused cancellation of a new factory, operating at half capacity
•Nevada Geothermal: Received $98.5 million in federal loan guarantees in 2009 -- Defaulting on long-term debt obligations, 85% drop in stock value
•Sun Power: Received $1.2 billion in federal loan guarantees -- Debt exceeds assets; French oil company took over last fall
•Abound Solar: Received $400 million in federal loans in 2012 -- ½ work force laid off
•BrightSource Energy: $1.6 billion federal loan approved in April 2012 - loan obtained through political connections with the administration; absent the loan, Brightsource's solar power purchase would have fallen through.
- See more at: http://environmentblog.ncpa.org/green-energys-bankruptcy-blackout/#sthash.SgBBdyQV.dpuf

Posted by: Energy Reality on April 30, 2014 05:07 PM
6. "This is what we have to look forward too."

Chump change compared to the $8,000,000,000 you idiots lost on a pallet in Iraq, not to mention the $1,000,000,000,000 you blew because you invaded the wrong damned country. And let's never forget the tens of thousands of lives unnecessarily lost.

To think that, having cheered our nation to catastrophic war and a Great Recession, you're now having mass anxiety attacks and fits of secession fever over solar power and black people voting. You no longer believe that the US is a legitimate nation and yet for some strange reason you still wave American flags. If wasn't for all the wasted blood and treasure, it'd be kind of funny.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on April 30, 2014 05:54 PM
7. .
Adam Faber (HACK!),

What happened with your intrepid reporting regarding the WA 48th legislative district?
Shall the WA GOP have candidates for the Senate and House seats?
It couldn't be that your 15 April post was simply concern trolling and that the WA GOP are going to miss the filing deadline on May 16th and let Democrats win those seats unopposed????

And what has happened with your intrepid reporting of the request you made for information of King County councilman Larry Phillips? For reasons beyond us you told us of an unspecified request " that was limited to Phillips' office" for some unknown reason, which response was due to you on 22 April.
Did you get a response?
Are you able to draw any conclusions about your concern the promised response date was "purely coincidental"?

Oh sure, we all get how concerned you must be at this very moment about Inslee being worried, but shall you ever follow up on your own posts?

I don't think you will because you are a HACK!

Oh, let's not forget all of your curious posts about ObamaCare.
How is ObamaCare going Adam?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on April 30, 2014 06:25 PM
8. @6 - Dr. Weirdo. = Lets change the topic real quick because the truth hurts. You are saying two wrongs justify a right. Twisted and dumb logic. Just because Bush screwed up and fought one senseless and wrongheaded war gives Obama/Inslee the right to institute a senseless carbon tax that will do nothing except worsen the state's economy. Enough dysfunctional Federal and State Government - try functional and intelligent legislation for a change. Get over yourself.

@7 - MBS - More sour grapes toward Faber- tsk tsk. Phillips's side lost - the people did not buy that campaign - there is some hope out there for the local electorate.

Go celebrate your favorite day - May Day tomorrow, the day the Commies, Statists and anarchists relish, but keep it peaceful in Seattle. You too Dr. Weirdo...

Posted by: KDS on April 30, 2014 08:15 PM
9. "Lets change the topic real quick because the truth hurts."

Um, it was the right-wing troll @5 who changed the subject, Stupe. I merely put the wingnut in his place.

"because Bush screwed up and fought one senseless"

Nice try at disowning the GOP's last president, Stupe. Sorry, but it was the Bush-led Republican Party who screwed up. War. Executions. The Economy. You Republicans fuck up everything you touch. Begs the question - why the hell should this nation ever elect a lying Republican to the White House again? Why on earth elect wingnuts to any office when you stupes don't even believe that this nation's government is legitimate?

"May Day tomorrow, the day the Commies, Statists and anarchists relish"

And your favorite holiday was just last month, April 20th - Führergeburtstag. Did you party hardy in honor of der Führer? Fascist putz.


Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on April 30, 2014 09:05 PM
10. " Nice try at disowning the GOP's last president, Stupe. Sorry, but it was the Bush-led Republican Party who screwed up."

Too cute by half - So what ? Dysfunctional government is dysfunctional no matter who is in charge - as long as the Federal Government stays large, it will be corrupt no matter who is in power and both parties have demonstrated, Conservatives at least point it out, but the Democrats are sneaky bastards and are out to make it more corrupt so it can work to their advantage. You are mentally disturbed and THC addled if you think that is good with the mentality of a low information voter.

why the hell should this nation ever elect a lying Democrat/Statist to the White House again? Because any idiot can vote/Voter ID laws are needed -it shouldn't be done, but stupid low information voters are a boil on the buttocks of humanity may do it anyway - go celebrate MayDay peacefully in the freeway..

So what's your excuse at standing behind Obama and his band of fascistic statists, Dr. Weirdo ? Defending the indefensible is your trademark, but it doesn't fly in a functional world - just in your brain of mush. I guess that April 20th is another one of your favorite days - a holiday only YOU know about. Game, set, match...

Posted by: KDS on April 30, 2014 09:32 PM
11. "So what's your excuse at standing behind Obama and his band of fascistic statists"

Um, you're the corporatist-fascist who longs to be ruled with the iron fist of Putin up your ass. Please do try to keep this shit straight, KDS.

What's your excuse for standing with Cliven Bundy, America-denier, freeloading mooch and wannabe slave owner?

Really, Stupe, seeing as how you freaks don't believe the US is a legitimate nation, why on earth do you corporatist-fascists wave Old Glory at your Bundy rallies? Confused much?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 1, 2014 12:01 AM
12. Just curious, but is the Blind Surgeon also a blind typist? Or do you use voice recognition software to type your posts?

Posted by: Gary on May 1, 2014 12:19 PM
13. "The bigger issue is acidification of oceans, which is never mentioned"

Never mentioned except for, say, on the very first page of Inslee's executive order to which Adam graciously provided a link, and which you obviously didn't bother to read.

"CO2 will not make a difference in temperature on the planet no matter..."

The blind doctor loves it when science deniers talk science.

"Where do these dimwits think limestone (CaCO3, the earth's most plentiful sedimentary rock) comes from?"

Well, according to the Republican base, roughly 6,000 years ago limestone was created on either the first or third day of the six days of creation, maybe both. And although there was already light somewhere from day one, it was still difficult to see the limestone to verify which day because the sun, moon and the stars didn't exist until the fourth day. That was followed by birds on day five, who definitely didn't evolve from dinosaurs because dinos didn't show up until day six, along with the first Republicans and Jesus. Cain was obviously the first of the fascistic statists.

And that's how it came to be that the very first Republicans rode dinosaurs with Jesus.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 1, 2014 02:25 PM
14. @11 - With all due respect you are full of excrement and babbling nonsense. Stick your corporatism where the sun don't shine. if you support the leftwing platform - you are a freakin corporatist who supports cronyism - part of your statist platform.

@13- your comments accentuate your ignorance in science. Leftists like yourself are science deniers and skilled liars ! You also use a very broad brush, dude - I subscribe to both Darwinism and Creationism - Both theories have blind spots, but together they explain better than separately, but I don't expect you to be able to wrap your brain around that, stupe. Are you missing the commie/pinko march through downtown Seattle ?

Posted by: KDS on May 1, 2014 08:57 PM
15. "The bigger issue is acidification of oceans, which is never mentioned"
Never mentioned except for, say, on the very first page of Inslee's executive order to which Adam graciously provided a link, and which you obviously didn't bother to read.

"CO2 will not make a difference in temperature on the planet no matter..."

Slight correction - it was mentioned in one sentence - deserving of some credit, but it doesn't change my original premise re: the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. A carbon tax will have a miniscule effect on this. One can only hope that technology is able to overcome a slow, but a process becoming noticeable of ocean acidification. Tax break incentives for technology would yield better results than a carbon tax. Nope, don't think that CaCO3 or Alka Seltzer in mass quantities will be the ultimate solution to ocean acidification. This issue will not go away with the decrease of the sun's output either, unlike anthropogenic warming (now called climate change) by the UN..

Posted by: KDS on May 1, 2014 09:46 PM
16. "I subscribe to both Darwinism and Creationism"

I'm sure you do. Somehow your Darwin-Creationism theory fits right in there with your fear of commie-fascist-corporatist-statism, visions of happy slaves, and your waving an American flag while telling us that America isn't real.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 1, 2014 10:57 PM
17. Doctor dude, you're bat-s**t crazy.

Posted by: a strait jacket on May 2, 2014 07:50 AM
18. Living in the Socialist Republic of Seattle provides for the tri-fecta of job-killing policy: MaObama has done nothing for job growth; now Inslee with this insane carbon tax scheme will drive manufacturing and transportation intensive companies to business-friendly states; and Seattle's idiot mayor driving small businesses across the city boundaries to the north and south, and east side with government mandated wages.
I count the days when I can move my carbon footprint out of this Marxist utopia.

Posted by: Carbon, not a pollutant on May 2, 2014 09:43 AM
19. @18 Carbon, not a pollutant on May 2, 2014 09:43 AM,

Have you considered a Kick Starter campaign to raise funds to get yourself on your way to the GOP utopia of Mississippi?

Count me in if your canary ass ever catches up with your alligator mouth.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on May 2, 2014 11:41 AM
20. "I count the days when I can move my carbon footprint out of this Marxist utopia."

"the GOP utopia of Mississippi?"

Eh, it's probably our country he hates. These guys have been a lot more open about that lately. I call it the "Bundy Effect". It apparently has to do with an illegitimate commie-fascist-statist federal government and its illegitimate Kenyan usurper denying them the right to freeload and mooch off the rest of us. So if that's where he's coming from, he could always move to the GOP free-market, unregulated utopia of Somalia. Once they explain their ideas for Happy Slavery for Africans to the natives, I'm sure things will go swimmingly for all.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 2, 2014 12:10 PM
21. "How is ObamaCare going Adam?"

Too funny! We have ACA enrollment numbers and demographics exceeding all expectations and all this in spite of the roll-out glitches and Red-State bailouts from state exchanges and Medicaid expansion. So what will Republicans do now?

#BENGHAZI!

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 2, 2014 04:36 PM
22. This joint release was produced by the Office of Governor Chris Gregoire and the Office of Attorney General Rob McKenna

OLYMPIA - The state of Washington today joined a group of twelve states, the District of Columbia and the City of New York in a suit against the federal Environmental Protection Agency for failing to adopt regulations that control emissions of global warming pollution from oil refineries. The suit challenges the EPA's refusal to require new or renovated oil refineries to install technologies that control global warming pollution, in violation of the Clean Air Act.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=20718#.U2QyXKJST4o

Lies Of Obmmission that's all that Establishment Republican Hacks like Adam Faber have.

As much as anywhere it's not merely the Democrats that are the problem. IT'S BOTH PARTIES. McKenna had he been elected would have been pushing this "Global Warming" Crap as governor too, just like he did as Attorney General.

The Truth is we didn't have much of a choice back in 2012. At least with Inslee we have a chance of getting A REAL Conservative in 2016, whereas had McKenna won we would have this government paid hack named Adam Faber trying to explain to us why we should all be supporting McKenna for re-election even with his extremely liberal record.

And what if McKenna would have gotten on the national stage? We have more than enough RINOS there as it is.

I am glad we nipped this one in the bud. Too bad the people of Arizona never did with McCain. I just wish we could have stopped McKenna BEFORE he became attorney general!

Tea Party FOREVER! The only good RINO is one who is run out of politics!

By the way, if you think that Pro-Amenesty RINO you are running for Congress has any chance you are fooling yourself. Tea Party Conservatives aren't the same kind of conservatives you had even a few years ago who would hold their nose and do what their party told them to do. That generation is literally dying out, and the new generation - no they don't play that. As we have seen with conservatives siting out McCain's election and even more siting out Romney's election!

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:01 PM
23. That press release was dated August 25, 2008.

McKenna was Freaking suing the BUSH ADMINSTRATION.

Not an adminstation that is going down as one of the more conseravative.

McKenna was too the LEFT of W! I am SO GLAD I voted for Islee.

Look, find a REAL conseravative and I might vote GOP next time. And before you say a REAL Conservative can't be elected in Washington State, have you ever tried.

It seems that when Republicans win it's when differences are stressed. McKenna's "me too" campaign was doomed from the start.

After all if a person is running as almost a carbon copy of his opponent then the natural question is - why not the opponent.

It reminds me of how specifically McCain but you also saw it with Romney and yeah McKenna performed in their debates. I thought there should be a drinking game when every time the Republican candidate said "I agree with him" you take a sip. You would be pretty drunk at the end of the night.

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:08 PM
24. That press release was dated August 25, 2008.

McKenna was Freaking suing the BUSH ADMINSTRATION.

Not an adminstation that is going down as one of the more conseravative.

McKenna was too the LEFT of W! I am SO GLAD I voted for Islee.

Look, find a REAL conseravative and I might vote GOP next time. And before you say a REAL Conservative can't be elected in Washington State, have you ever tried.

It seems that when Republicans win it's when differences are stressed. McKenna's "me too" campaign was doomed from the start.

After all if a person is running as almost a carbon copy of his opponent then the natural question is - why not the opponent.

It reminds me of how specifically McCain but you also saw it with Romney and yeah McKenna performed in their debates. I thought there should be a drinking game when every time the Republican candidate said "I agree with him" you take a sip. You would be pretty drunk at the end of the night.

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:08 PM
25. This year is different. Both Obama and McCain agree that global warming is caused by human action and that human action is necessary to deal with it. More importantly, they have made energy policy a primary issue that they talk about publicly.

Yeah, "me too" campaigns never lead to victory for Republicans. It wasn't hard to predict that McCain was going to lose when he started "me tooing" Obama and it wasn't hard to understand that McKenna was going to lose when he started "me tooing" Inslee.

Look, it's not that we like Inslee, it's that the Republicans in Washington State hasn't provided a suitable alternative. Until they do, yeah, I would rather such stuff come from a Democrat like Inslee than some Republican. Because with Inslee we can complain about it and point out where it is wrong, but with McKenna, oh no, must not say anthing negative. Wouldn't want to hurt his re-election chances. Must support "our guy".

If he doing the bidding of the Left, just how is he "our guy"? Or as the old joke goes "what do you mean by WE Kemosabe".

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:22 PM
26. By the way, just in case someone here hasn't seen it, the video that shows the Global Warming Freaks (like Rob McKenna) for the liars they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:32 PM
27. George Carlin wasn't really known for being a conservative (he was radical left). Yet even he got that this whole Global Warming thing is BS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOBm2J4tn0

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:34 PM
28. " Nice try at disowning the GOP's last president, Stupe. Sorry, but it was the Bush-led Republican Party who screwed up."

Yes, the policies of the Left doesn't work, the policies of the Left harms even when its Republicans who try them.

That is why it is so important to fight these Leftists Republicans Like Rob McKenna because when they harm things with their Leftists policies Republicans (and ironically conservatives) get the blame. The last Republican to really embrace conservative policies, not just rhetorically but actually put some conseravtive policies into public use was Reagan, and he was overwhelmingly elected.

Electing Leftist Republicans, electing RINOS like McKenna hurts the brand name and makes it even harder to elect Republicans in the future.

So, yeah, faced with the prospect of a Leftist Democrat and a Leftist Republican I went with the Leftist Democrat because when their Leftist policies fail it hurts the Democrat brand name instead of the Republicans!

And no Adam, you Republican Establishment hack I haven't regreted that decision. I am angry that people like you forced me into the situation, but given the siutation you put me in that was the best decision possible!

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 05:49 PM
29. Republicans succeed when they practice conservative policies. Well I guess Democrats would too if they did, fat chance of that happening.

Look, a Leftist calling himself a Republican is far far more Dangerous in so many ways than a Democrat. That is why I plan to donate to Suzan DelBene if Pedro Celis, makes it through the primary.

By the way Pedro Celis, is a rich guy, why didn't he do ANYTHING to help the poor people of Oso which is in the District!

But yeah first I will support any tea party challenger to Pedro Celis, and then I will indeed support DelBene. I will bring up his pro-amnesty stand, and if you say well, DelBene does too, well does it help the Amnesty people to have just another Democrat on their side one of well like almost all of them? Or to have a Republican who will erode Republican oppositon?

But that isn't how they see see it. They will see it as well Celis may be for Amnesty DelBene is too so I might as well stick with her (and most the same people who agree with her on Amnesty will agree with her on other issues so it doesn't drive many away from her towards him it just drives people away from him to sitting at home). Me tooism has rarely I doubt ever won an election.

And oo many people see him as the "Rich Microsoft Guy" who did nothing as their neighbors were buried.

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 06:03 PM
30. "Oso" means in Spanish a terribly embarrassing moment, a huge faux pas. Situation where you make a complete fool of yourself, look like a total clown.

Sample Sentence: ¡Que Oso! Oh my gosh how embarrassing.

How Appropriate for Poncho, I mean Pedro. The district he is wanting to represent had a national disaster yet Mr. Dinero is nowhere to be found.

¡Que Oso!

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 06:18 PM
31. If I was DelBene's I would go "Well I think it is great that he shares my views on Amnesty, but as you know we differ in..."

Every forum, every time she comes up mention how he supports Amnesty. His Amnesty position isn't going to pull anyone away from her but it will irrate potential Republican voters to the point they eventually say HELL NO I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS RINO!

No to Sr Dinero!

Posted by: Scott Byron on May 2, 2014 06:24 PM
32. Two words you won't read in the order: "hydroelectric" or "nuclear."

That's because we won't be deriving additional energy from those sources; we're building neither more dams nor more reactors.

Inslee pushes solar in the order (which always sounds like a nice, consequence-free ways to produce electricity), but it won't be producing the load electricity needed to power the state's economy, let alone a growing contingent of electric cars.

Actually, government-owned electric cars are a really good use for solar energy, in that they are stored in lots or structures which can be fitted with solar panels, gathering solar energy during all daylight hours, then charging the cars when the cars are not being driven.

Republicans worried that if they approved an 11.5 cent increase in gas taxes, Inslee would impose a low carbon fuel standard after the fact, further raising the price of gas.

Glad to see the fictional title, "Senate Majority Coalition." has been scrapped. Welcome to the reality of an un-elected Repiblican Senate majority which failed to act on the power it had seized. Of course, Adam can't blame them for their own miserable failures, so he simply repeats a fabricated eason to blame it on a Democrat.

That decision drew fire from Todd Myers of the Washington Policy Center,

In other news, it rained in Seattle last year.

(How many of the Seattle-based Washington Policy Center's ideas have ever been tried in Seattle or Washington? What were the results of those policies? Why should we care what the Washington Policy Center says about anything?)

The 21-member Carbon Emissions Reduction task force, stacked with Inslee's political allies and groups that will financially benefit from the executive order,

[citation needed]

Posted by: tensor on May 2, 2014 09:07 PM
33. Two words you won't read in the order: "hydroelectric" or "nuclear."

That's because we won't be deriving additional energy from those sources; we're building neither more dams nor more reactors.

Inslee pushes solar in the order (which always sounds like a nice, consequence-free ways to produce electricity), but it won't be producing the load electricity needed to power the state's economy, let alone a growing contingent of electric cars.

Actually, government-owned electric cars are a really good use for solar energy, in that they are stored in lots or structures which can be fitted with solar panels, gathering solar energy during all daylight hours, then charging the cars when the cars are not being driven.

Republicans worried that if they approved an 11.5 cent increase in gas taxes, Inslee would impose a low carbon fuel standard after the fact, further raising the price of gas.

Glad to see the fictional title, "Senate Majority Coalition." has been scrapped. Welcome to the reality of an un-elected Repiblican Senate majority which failed to act on the power it had seized. Of course, Adam can't blame them for their own miserable failures, so he simply repeats a fabricated eason to blame it on a Democrat.

That decision drew fire from Todd Myers of the Washington Policy Center,

In other news, it rained in Seattle last year.

(How many of the Seattle-based Washington Policy Center's ideas have ever been tried in Seattle or Washington? What were the results of those policies? Why should we care what the Washington Policy Center says about anything?)

The 21-member Carbon Emissions Reduction task force, stacked with Inslee's political allies and groups that will financially benefit from the executive order,

[citation needed]

Posted by: tensor on May 2, 2014 09:07 PM
34. Cap and Trade, where did I hear that before, hmm, Cap and Trade?

That's right our own Republican Green River Congressman Dave Reichert voted for it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6s-bCkD5s4

So, Adam Faber you hack why is cap and trade so bad now? It was great when Reichert voted for it.

You are an hypocrite!

Scott Byron is right. The enemy isn't the Democrats. It's the Democrats and Establishment Republicans like the people Adam Faber shrills for.

Yeah, Cap and Trade is bad, But it didn't just magically turn bad when Inslee started touting. It was bad when Reichert voted for it too.

These lies of Ommision, these opposing policies whne the Democrats tout them but supporting the EXACT SAME policies when Republicans tout them is why no one sees you as creditable Adam you hack!

Our enemey is both Democcats and Establishement Republcians like McKenna. As bad as Inslee is thank god it is him messing up or state instead of McKenna messing up our state.

Now if we can get rid of the Green River RINO. Yes, even if that means putting a Democrat in his place. A Leftist republican weakens Republican resolve from within. Something the Democrats can never do!

TEA ON! FIGHT THE LEFT REGARDLESS OF THE LEFTIST BEING A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT! In fact a Leftist Republican is much, much more dangerous!

Posted by: Gene on May 2, 2014 10:14 PM
35. "That's right our own Republican Green River Congressman Dave Reichert voted for it!"

He needs to go then and preferably get primaried out ! Not my district. Cap and Trade has always been bad - no exceptions !

@34 - get over yourself - either prove that McKenna supported cap and trade or retract your assertion. While you are at it, prove that you are not a leftist in a conservative wrapper.

Posted by: KDS on May 2, 2014 11:21 PM
36. Posted by Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon at May 1, 2014 10:57 PM

Doctor weirdo, you're bat-s**t crazy. You need a good waterboarding...

Are you one of the 800,000 who left the work force last month ?

Darwinist freakazoid !

Posted by: KDS on May 2, 2014 11:29 PM
37. 3. Ever notice that these morons (like Gov. Jay Idiot) NEVER cite any chemical evidence that CO2 retains atmospheric heat?

Neither did Gov. Inslee cite any evidence showing that water is wet, that down is the opposite of up, or that teabaggers are morons.

Well, Adam, how do you like your aptly-named base of anti-scientific loons? You write a post about energy policy, and right on cue, we see folks who've never heard of Tyndall's discoveries of the heat-retaining properties of water vapor and CO2. (Since Tyndall made those discoveries a mere 150 years ago, we can forgive your fanbois for not yet having gotten the news.) What's it like, knowing your only hope of political comeback lies in energizing such a dwindling number of scientifically-illiterate deniers?

Posted by: tensor on May 3, 2014 02:17 AM
38. "You need a good waterboarding..."

So now you're reduced to making threats of violence and torture. Kind of like your running-mate, Amused, who threatened to shoot tensor a few weeks ago if he looked at him wrong.

So where's your little buddy Amused these days? Hanging out at the Bundy ranch, I reckon, waving an American flag at the TV cameras while screaming to the world that the USA isn't a legitimate country and that "nappy-headed, jive-talking bongos" would be happier as slaves.

By the way, only a true stupe would come up with "I subscribe to both Darwinism and Creationism" and then follow that with "Darwinist freakazoid!".

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 3, 2014 04:24 AM
39. "While you are at it, prove that you are not a leftist in a conservative wrapper."

If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what he's accused you and McKenna of being, leftists in conservative wrappers.

We now have the spectacle of America-hating traitors and secessionists devouring their own in the threads of a dying right-wing blog for not being sufficiently full of hate. Like Bundy's right-wing militia friends threatening to shoot Bundy's right-wing Oath Keeper friends in the back for not hating America as much as they do, it works for me.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 3, 2014 04:37 AM
40. Good news Obamabots!

Polls show you are finally clapping on to the fact that six years on, this President has more to do with the state of the union than the last one.

Maybe soon you will figure out that it is better to build a society on the expectation of personal responsibility than the expectation of welfare.

Nah, let's face it. You are too stupid to figure that out.

Posted by: Mike on May 3, 2014 06:58 AM
41. KDS sorry if I confused you. It was Reichert who supported Cap and Trade. McKenna was never in the position to do that. However McKenna promoted this whole global warming myth going as far as suing Bush's EPA as attoney general because of its supposed effects.

Documentation for that Scott Byron provided at his posts.

By the way, before you support any State Senator running this year, be sure to ask them how they voted on Gay Marriage.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/02/01/state-senate-approves-same-sex-marriage/

You have a lot of Leftist Republicans in public office today. Yet they always support us conseravtives to support them without thinking, right!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 09:16 AM
42. Cap-and-trade vote earns Reichert endorsement from environmental group

http://seattletimes.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2013030414_controversialvoteearnsreichertenvironmentalendorsement.html

I love how the internet makes it tough for politicians to run away from their voting record. That had been an establishment Republican tactic for years!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 09:25 AM
43. August 25, 2008.

This joint release was produced by the Office of Governor Chris Gregoire and the Office of Attorney General Rob McKenna

OLYMPIA - The state of Washington today joined a group of twelve states, the District of Columbia and the City of New York in a suit against the federal Environmental Protection Agency for failing to adopt regulations that control emissions of global warming pollution from oil refineries. The suit challenges the EPA's refusal to require new or renovated oil refineries to install technologies that control global warming pollution, in violation of the Clean Air Act.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=20718#.U2QyXKJST4o

Enough documentation KDS?

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 09:32 AM
44. Why in Adam Faber view is it only bad when the Democrats support/enact liberal policies but not when the Republicans do?

I would like him to answer that basic question before anything he writes has any credibility.

I actually think it is WORSE when a Republican supports/enacts liberal policies because that weakens resolve of the Republican Party as a whole to fight it.

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 09:42 AM
45. @43-45 - Gene; McKenna's stand on cap and trade should be revisited, as his comment was made long enough ago, so it may have changed. If he runs for Gov. again in 2016, this question must be asked. As for Reichert, I already said that he should be gone.

Democrat campaign strategy is based on the premise that enough people are gullible and dim-witted enough to believe outrageous lies in campaigns. What do the Republicans do ? Seldom call them on their lies. Hey Adam Faber, why don't you write about that, instead of playing into the hands of the leftists with what becomes I said, they say and the post goes nowhere.

Here's an example of an outrageous lie by a Democrat just today.
Sen. Chuck U Schumer said that "Pass immigration reform aka Amnesty to GOP unless you want to remain out of power".

The truth is that amnesty for illegals will garner more Democrat votes and keep the GOP out of power for a very long time. Schumer is a liar and a snake and also believes there enough gullible and dim-witted stupes to buy this pantload. May a scorpion crawl in his pants...

@39 - Dr. Wierdo - A good swift waterboarding would do your sick mind wonders ! LOL

Posted by: KDS on May 3, 2014 09:55 AM
46. It's all god for the cause of dealing with man-made global warming and ocean acidification.

Posted by: SmoledMan on May 3, 2014 12:28 PM
47. KDS please don't confuse the issue. From what I can tell McKenna wasn't for Cap and Trade, although he wasn't ever in a position to vote for or against it either.

McKenna supported the Global Warming myth, as the documentation proves. Going as far as suing the Federal Government over it when he was State Attorney General.

Reichert, who was in a position to vote for or against Cap and Trade voted FOR it.

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 12:35 PM
48. Chuck U Schumer said that "Pass immigration reform aka Amnesty to GOP unless you want to remain out of power".

Yeah, yeah yeah the Democrats are evil. But the problem is that those in the Republicas Establishment are actually are the ones gullible and dim-witted enough to believe thse outrageous lies of the Democrats.

You have Pedro Celis the Republican Apparatus's anoitted one running for Congress. He is pro Amnesty. Yeah there's other Republicans running in that race but the Republican Establishment will be certain to drive them out. They are always more agressive against conservative candidates in primaries than the Democrat candidates in Generals. They will do to tea partier ruthless stuff that they wouldn't even consider doing against Democrats - their supposed enemies.

Hopefully Celis will lose (ideally in the primary but I have to be a realist and usuallly the Republican Establishment is quite effective at destroying Conservatives in primaries.) But Washington State already has a pro-Amnesty congressmmber by the name of Cathy McMorris Rodgers.

Documentation Again!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/27/McMorris-Rodgers-Met-with-Microsoft-CEO-on-Day-She-Revealed-Plans-to-Pass-Amnesty-By-August

"On the day that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) told a local newspaper that she believed amnesty legislation could be brought to the floor by August, she met with Satya Nadella, the new CEO of Microsoft."

Look it is obvious that the Republicans will cave on Amnestly just like they seem to cave on everything else. And you are right, it is the Democrats who will benefit from it.

They aren't called the stupid party for nothing.

But there's nothing to make me call the stupid party mine anymore.

SO, yeah, what do you mean by "We" Kemosabe! Unless we see strong tea party challengers in Washington State which I am not seeing right now, politically and as the actual election I am sitting 2014 out!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 12:55 PM
49. By the way Rep Dave Reichert while often times talking out of both sides of his mouth on this issue, in general has been supportive of Amnesty.

Documentation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/08/08/another-gop-congressman-comes-out-for-citizenship/

But I guess we will see how Reichert votes in August, won't we (which is AFTER the primary as the Republican Establishment has planned it to be).

And then we will hear here yeah, Reichert voted for Amnesty but we must re-elect him anyway, just like how people on Sound Politics said had to re-elect him after his vote in support of cap-and-trade.

Not me, no more!

¡No Más!

¡Ya Basta!

We can see if he will pick up more people with his Pro-Amnesty vote than he will lose.

I wish I could bet money on it, because I bet he will lose more than he will win over with the vote!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 01:07 PM
50. If he (McKenna) runs for Gov. again in 2016.

Oh, crap. I guess I will have to get vote for Inslee Bumper stickers then.

DAMN YOU REPUBLICANS you are forcing me to vote for the very people who are destroying our country so that the you don't get in an destroy our country which will not only well destroy the country but put the blame for destroying the country on the Republicans and ironically the conservatives.

Well, you have always talked about the greater of two evils, Republicans. And that is what you have become.

If the Republicans are lucky I will sit 2016 out.

Until we see real conservatives running how is it really in my interests to keep Leftists in power. Yeah, these Leftists might call themselves Republicans instead of Democrats but that makes it all the worst. They subvert from within exactly what we are now seeing with Amnesty and what we saw in the past in Washington State with Gay Marriage (couldn't have passed with the help of Republican State Senators) and legalization of pot (spearheaded by a member of the Bush I - Daddy Bush adminstrration.)

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 01:21 PM
51. Gene -- marriage equality exists in our state because a majority of voters passed Referendum No. 74 in 2012.

By all means, please continue to demand the most rigid ideological purity imaginable from Republican candidates. It makes life easier for us liberals and our candidates.

Posted by: tensor on May 3, 2014 06:47 PM
52. Documentation:

Read this!

http://www.logcabinwa.org/issues.html


Marriage Equality would not be a reality in Washington State if it weren't for the support of Republican Senators Steve Litzow, Joe Fain, Andy Hill , former Senator Cheryl Pflug and Representative Maureen Walsh and former Representative Glenn Anderson. Thank them for their support!

I certainly will. Because of THEM some poor old florist is being suied out of her Livelyhood.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-gaymarriage-washington-idUSBRE93I08820130419

But they don't give a damn about who they hurt. It's all about poltiics to them!

This documentation game is fun. Before the Internet I actually had Leftist Republican legislators lie to my face about how they voted!

They would tell one group of people one thing and another group of people the exact opposite. Not that I am sure they don't try to do that these days but it is really getting difficult for them through quick fact checking through the Internet and even real time like if someone had a Iphone as they were speaking and checked to see if they were telling the truth. And then of course you have You Tube were you can sometimes get them directly contradicting themselves!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 07:48 PM
53. I mean if they were like giving a speech all someone would have to do is check their Iphone to see if what they were saying was contradicting how they voted.

I mean it was really crazy in the 1980s and early 1990s with the extent that Leftist Republicans would like to your face how they voted.

We see these days with Adam Faber how they still try to lie through what I believe someone here called "lies of Obmission" but the Internet and the Documentation game trips them up all the time now.

Yeah, Adam Faber it is getting harder and harder to be a Party Hack deceiving the masses! People are calling you on it!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 07:53 PM
54. I mean lie to our face. Like I said I had it happen more than once but I always brought a file with a lot of photocopies wiht underlined quotes. Yeah, they didn't like to call on me.

Now, though someone with an Iphone can fact check near real time. By the time the Leftist Republican finishes his or her conservative sounding speech you can have all these grassroots conservatives with their Iphones saying well yeah what you SAID right NOW sounds nice but didn' you vote the other way...

No.. But I have the role call from the day of the vote right here on my Iphone and yeah, you did!

Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 07:58 PM
55. I mean yeah before it was like with other grassroots Republicans, yeah, I will mail you copies of the information that proves he or she is lying tomorrow after I can get to the library to make copies.

Now, it's look on your own Iphone right now. I just emailed you the link from the original source.

It's not about believing me vs believing the politician. It's about believing the politician or believing your own eyes.

So, yeah being a Party Hack is much more difficult than it used to be Adam Faber. Now we can hold you accountable not only for lies but for the withholding of key facts like Rob McKenna suing the Federal government over so called "Global Warming". Rob McKenna back when he was in public office promoted the whole global warming lie just like Inslee is doing now. So, indeed why was it okay when McKenna did it but now magically it has turned wrong when Inslee did it.

It was always wrong. Just like Cap and Trade was always wrong. But in the Faber Mythology, things that were okay and practiced under Repubicans suddenly magically turn bad when Democrats do it.


Posted by: Gene on May 3, 2014 08:21 PM
56. Kudos to Adam for (1) actually giving a reason for his criticism (unlike Jim Miller's "I have no clue but I assume it was a bad decision because I don't like Inslee" - see today's post) and (2) letting readers attack his hacks (unlike Jim Miller - see today's post and others).

Posted by: Bruce on May 3, 2014 10:28 PM
57. @54: I certainly will. Because of THEM some poor old florist is being suied out of her Livelyhood.

So you're calling yourself "Gene", now?

That case has NOTHING to do with the legalization of gay marriage. Zip. Zilch. Nada. There is no statute about legal gay marriage that was violated by the florist in this case. In fact, the referendum that made gay marriage legal ALLOWED for some discrimination on religious grounds.

Your mad rantings would have more traction if they were actually informed by facts you looked up on your newfangled "Iphone".

@58. Kudos to Adam for (1) actually giving a reason for his criticism (unlike Jim Miller's "I have no clue but I assume it was a bad decision because I don't like Inslee" - see today's post) and (2) letting readers attack his hacks (unlike Jim Miller - see today's post and others).

Jim has obliterated any kind of (miniscule, infinitesimal) credibility that he had left lately by posting some of the most absurd things I've ever seen him write. He may be bitter and all butt-hurt and whiny about liberals, but I hope that even he realizes that the sinking (u)SP ship isn't righted by someone's crazy great-uncle posting gripes about a woman getting appointed to the state Supreme Court on the front page.

I mean, seriously... is he even trying anymore?

Posted by: demo kid on May 4, 2014 10:08 AM
58. Okay here's how the Republicans are going to cave on Amnesty. Like Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers has aaid, they are going to vote it in during August or at least after filing for primaries are over so the anger on the vote can't generate any primary challenges.

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers will vote for it. So will probably Rep. Dave Reichert (For him I give the chance of him voting no being 75 percent).

Now Rep Jaime Herrera Beutler, who has Linda's Smith old district she will probably be against it. But don't take this as a sign she is actually agaisnt amnesty. For them they don't look at things the way we do. They look it purely from a political perpective of our it would harm or hurt their re-election chances, not how it is going to hurt our country.

U.S. Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler is a former Senior Legislative Aide for U.S. Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers. So she will be there to vote for Amnesty if she is absolutely, absolutely needed. But yeah, if she can be allowed to take a pass and vote against this because they already are assured of having enough votes to pass it, they will let her vote against it. She is only in her first term so such an unpopular vote when she isn't firmly entrenched into incumbancy yet is something she would rather avoid, and given her close relationship with Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers, if her vote isn't absolutely needed she will be among the first that they party establishment will give a pass to vote no.

I give her chance of voting yes at 15 percent. Like I said she will though, if they absolutely, absolutely need her vote.

So, in the end, we will have amnesty by the end of the year and it will be the Republicans who will give it to us.

Since we are playing the "documentation game" here is an article talking about the Republican establishments plan on how they will get amnesty through.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/boehner-there-was-no-mocking

This one is probably more precise on how the Republcian establishment is going to screw over it's base (yet again).

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/27/GOP-Leadership-Plotting-to-Pass-Amnesty-in-August-May-Put-AZ-TX-in-Play-for-Dems

But then I guess the rhetoric is going to be, so what Pedro Celis supports Amnesty. It already passed so it is no longer an issue!

Posted by: Jay Kensy on May 4, 2014 10:12 AM
59. Gene stated You have Pedro Celis the Republican Apparatus's anoitted one running for Congress. He is pro Amnesty. Yeah there's other Republicans running in that race but the Republican Establishment will be certain to drive them out.

They are already in the process of doing just that. Lead by Susan Hutchinson!

DAMN, she almost convinced me she was different. I thought I was beyond feeling the stings of betrayal because now I just expect them to betray me so it comes as no surprise.

But, yeah that woman almost made me think SHE WAS Different. I am so out of poltics. Every time I feel the tug back in, soon enough I pay for it with a knife in the back!

http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/susan-hutchisons-suicide-note-part-1/

Susan you almost convinced me you were "one of us" but you are no different then the rest of the Establishment Republicans!

Posted by: Jay Kensy on May 4, 2014 10:20 AM
60. @61: Susan you almost convinced me you were "one of us" but you are no different then the rest of the Establishment Republicans!

Whatever.

The most amusing thing about Doug Parris is that anyone with the WSRP takes the moron seriously anymore, or even takes his call for that matter. He and his ardent followers believe that if you simply become MORE right-wing, MORE socially conservative, and MORE anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun, etc., and exclude MORE Republicans and independents with dissenting views, voters will come flocking to your door because... well... just because.

He's a fool, and he's a fool for the same reasons that a lot of the Occupy and Tea Party protesters are fools -- you cannot govern a diverse country of 300 million people, or even a state of 7 million, by strict adherence to the beliefs of a small fraction of the electorate. Heck, in a two-party system, you cannot even govern a PARTY with the beliefs of a minority of the members, which is what Doug represents.

Posted by: demo kid on May 4, 2014 11:11 AM
61. "Kudos to Adam for"

It's either that or curse Adam because without him posting here,(un)SP would at long last meet its destiny and become a dead right-wing zombie blog.

"He and his ardent followers believe..."

Is that from where all the sock-puppetry originates? Heh. Maybe it's just Parris doing it. Whoever he is, he's not trying very hard to conceal it. Really, if it turned out that there's more than one person doing this, I might become very, very concerned that there's be an alien pod invasion going on.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 4, 2014 01:36 PM
62. I don't know anyone on from the center to right that would not shop at Costco, or miss "Gravity" because George Clooney is a looney Obamabot.

But I know many people on the left that absolutely refuse to go anywhere near Walmart, Dicks, invest with Charles Schwab, etc.

Recently I was in a situation where we needed a part to complete a job, and the only place open near us was a Walmart. They had what we needed, but the nutty Obamabot friend of mine chose to postpone the project requiring another trip at significant expense, just to avoid Walmart.

If you were on sinking ferry boat with a bunch of Seattle Obamabots, and you announced that the life boats were made by the Koch brothers, I wonder how many Obamabots would choose to drown rather than ride in a boat that happened to be made by a company owned by someone on the right?

And why do Obamabots develop Bush Derangement Syndrome, Koch Derangement Syndrome, etc.? I think it is because those on the left want to control everyone and everything in their world. They do not believe in live and let live. They believe in live and let live, IF you agree with them. And if not, then they go Full Fascist and attempt to find something to destroy those who would dare hold another view.

I know, sick people.

Posted by: Mike on May 4, 2014 01:57 PM
63. You are right, the Left has us beaten from the start. They might be wrong but they are also more determined than the rest of us. And they eat this poltics stuff up morning noon and night while I assume the rest of us have other intersts.

I am feelig pretty hopeless right now. The Republicans will to use a old saying "Sell Us Down the River" on this issue with will irreplicable destroy the American Middle Class. But Microsoft will get low salaried programers and in this part of the world that's all the Republican elected officials seem to care about.

But to your more general point, yeah, victory doesn't go to who is right, just who is more determined and the Left will always be more determined.

We can't even miss a stupid movie on behalf of our political beliefs.

http://www.alreporter.com/in-case-you-missed-it-2/6166-sessions-warns-that-immigration-reform-would-further-shrink-the-middle-class.html

Look I am not really into all this class warfare stuff, but I have to look after my family too, and I will always be middle clsss (if I am lucky) and so those are the interests that I need protected.

If that sounds selfish to you well, the poor has the Democrats, and the Rich can look after themselves. We just don't have a Middle Class party in the United States. The Republicans Seem determed to wreck it for me (and yeah you have the Democrats coming at me from the other direction) so why should I help them in that effort.

Since Reagan, the Republicans have always caved when I have needed them the most. For my own health best if I just tune it all out and not vote even.

I know positing here isn't even healthy. But I can't just go cold turkey on politics. I am weaning myself off it gradually. I will probably be off it by November, though I think I will vote angerily. Look if the Republicans vote like Democrats, yeah, just give it to the damn Democrats. They are going to win in the end anyway.

Posted by: Gene on May 4, 2014 03:04 PM
64. Mike, you are right, They are going to win. For the most part they have been wining all my life and I don't see that as getting better, in fact I see it as it getting worse.

The Republcians are now where the Democrats were a generation ago.

And all the stuff we fight about that the Democrats are doing, that's where the Republicans will be in a generation from now (if they aren't really about there already).

So yeah, what's the point. I had litle hope for the tea party movement from the beginning and as much as I would have hoped to be proven otherwise - I wasn't. It was a flash in the pan that the establishment Republicans actually in the end used against us to get more of their Leftist Republicans elected.

But, yeah, I see it's hopeless. I wish it wasn't the case, but the Left is always going to be far more determined.

Best not to vote. But I will this year if only to pay the Republican party back for stabbing me in the back on Amnesty, If the Democrats are going to win in the end anyway, might as well just give it to them now and be done with it.

My generation doesn't play the "hold your nose" game. Where did it ever get the last generation when they paid it. Yeah, we will at best Stay at home, at worst in anger just vote the Leftist Republcian out of office and be done with it.

Posted by: Gene on May 4, 2014 03:18 PM
65. "You have Pedro Celis the Republican Apparatus's anoitted one running for Congress. He is pro Amnesty. Yeah there's other Republicans running in that race but the Republican Establishment will be certain to drive them out. They are always more agressive against conservative candidates in primaries than the Democrat candidates in Generals. They will do to tea partier ruthless stuff that they wouldn't even consider doing against Democrats - their supposed enemies."

Can't disagree with that. The GOP establishment and the Tea Party need each other instead of wasting energy and burning daylight on pitiful squabbles. The closed minded Darwinist freakizoids like Dr. Wierdo and his ilk need to keep chasing their tails - as they have been exposed as haters and low information voters.

"Hopefully Celis will lose (ideally in the primary but I have to be a realist and usuallly the Republican Establishment is quite effective at destroying Conservatives in primaries.) But Washington State already has a pro-Amnesty congressmmber by the name of Cathy McMorris Rodgers."

Hopefully and McMorris-Rodgers is irrelevant just as are the 3 stooges of GOP House leadership (Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy). I hope that the conservative cause stays steadfast and brings down the establishment dufusses on illegal immigrant amnesty. The GOP wants cheap labor and the Democrat/leftists want more votes for free stuff promises by the despicable leftists. The only answer to keep the leftist scum out who will legislate worse that the RINO's is to NOT take Gene's poorly thought advise, but to vote for the lesser of evils and consider the end result of the General election. The Tea Party movement never took hold along the left coast, but it has in the moderate or conservative states, of which WA OR do not belong.

Adam has a chance to redeem himself by posting more of a clear conservative message and if he doesn't he has made his mark as an establishment hack, not as despicable of a hack as Schummer the snake or Reid the reptile are.

"Best not to vote. But I will this year if only to pay the Republican party back for stabbing me in the back on Amnesty, If the Democrats are going to win in the end anyway, might as well just give it to them now and be done with it."

@66 - You have a defeatist attitude, so why don't you defect now ? There is a better way and its pitiful that you don't have the creative energy or are capable of thinking outside the box to come up with one - with that sentiment, your character is no better than that of a liberal Republican and GOP establishment sellouts. I happen to know there is a better alternative HINT: Alinsky rules work both ways and Andrew Breitbart demonstrated that. However, I also have a life to live and other opportunities to cash in on. FYI - I have not donated to the GOP since before 2000.

Posted by: KDS on May 4, 2014 05:42 PM
66. @63: It's either that or curse Adam because without him posting here,(un)SP would at long last meet its destiny and become a dead right-wing zombie blog.

I think he's doing his part to make that happen...

Is that from where all the sock-puppetry originates? Heh. Maybe it's just Parris doing it. Whoever he is, he's not trying very hard to conceal it. Really, if it turned out that there's more than one person doing this, I might become very, very concerned that there's be an alien pod invasion going on.

He has a few like-minded followers, which are deluding themselves into thinking that somehow most people think like them, and the remainder are either stupid or actively evil. Of course, he also whines a lot, which means that if someone tries to kick him in the nuts again, he'll cause a ruckus and become a further distraction to the already discombobulated WSRP.

Posted by: demo kid on May 4, 2014 06:03 PM
67. @64. But I know many people on the left that absolutely refuse to go anywhere near Walmart, Dicks, invest with Charles Schwab, etc.

You know, every time some moron conservative starts talking about what "many people on the left" do, I have to shake my head in amazement at the complete lack of self-awareness.

First, the hubbub on the left about Walmart is more broad than what you're defining it to be, including such things as labor practices and the survival of local businesses. Personally, I think it is often thinly-veiled classism, but it's their right to think what they believe. I have RARELY heard of people deciding not to go to Dicks or order a pizza from Dominos because of their political beliefs.

Second, with those liberals that do make decisions like that, how is it actually different from what some conservatives do? I didn't exactly see many conservatives lining up to defend the Dixie Chicks, for example, when they became pariahs for comments that they made about George Bush. I did, however, see people go to Chik-Fil-A to support a religious bigot's asinine and arrogant comments about gay marriage. I do not see the difference between the sides here.

If you were on sinking ferry boat with a bunch of Seattle Obamabots, and you announced that the life boats were made by the Koch brothers, I wonder how many Obamabots would choose to drown rather than ride in a boat that happened to be made by a company owned by someone on the right?

Or a more practical example... if you announced that healthcare coverage was available through the ACA, I wonder how many right-wingnuts would refuse to sign up and then get bankrupted from medical bills they couldn't afford?

I know... sick people.

Posted by: demo kid on May 4, 2014 06:16 PM
68. @66: Mike, you are right, They are going to win. For the most part they have been wining all my life and I don't see that as getting better, in fact I see it as it getting worse. The Republcians are now where the Democrats were a generation ago.

That statement doesn't even make sense. A generation ago, a Republican president created the EPA and negotiated with China at the expense of Taiwan. Two generations ago, a Republican president instituted one of the largest public works projects in the world, with the US interstate highway system.

Would any of these be palatable under a party that seems to be committed to tax breaks, military adventurism, and a complete lack of regulation?

Posted by: demo kid on May 4, 2014 06:22 PM
69. Would any of these be palatable under a party that seems to be committed to tax breaks, military adventurism, and a complete lack of regulation?

If If it was only so. Republcians (elected officials)can regulate with the best of them. And the Demcrats they are just as good at getting tax breaks for their people as the Republicans. GE pays NO TAXES. And of course there's this...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/day-4-obama-donor-gained-nearly-1-billion-in-tax-credits-in-solyndra-bankruptcy/article/2536031

And Obama hasn't exactly not used our military.

So, yeah your rhetroic about the Republicans isn't true. I sure wish some of it actually was.

Posted by: Gene on May 4, 2014 07:56 PM
70. Projection little kid. I pay for private healthcare and get much better concierge service with doctor visits as long as I want. And pay for a large liability policy for auto and a large policy for life so that my dependents will not become wards of the state like all of your foodstamp voters. I also pay to cover large unforseeable medical expenses so that you do not have to support me if something happens.

Those anywhere right of you are not the leeches or the enablers of leeches. That's your side. You know the side that wants to be able to buy insurance after being diagnosed with an illness.

Posted by: Mike on May 4, 2014 08:02 PM
71. "Those anywhere right of you are not the leeches or the enablers of leeches."

King County gets $0.64 in state services for every tax dollar King County's taxpayers send to Olympia. Every county east of the mountains gets more than one dollar in services for every dollar sent. Yet posters and commenters here rarely describe Eastern Washingtonians as moochers or leeches. Add in Hanford and farm-support payments at the federal level, and the tax-money infux rises further, but still no hint here the locals out there are on the taxpayer dole. Anyone care to tell me why that is?

Posted by: tensor on May 4, 2014 08:42 PM
72. "Those anywhere right of you are not the leeches or the enablers of leeches."

Hilarious, written even as right-wing militias and Oath Keepers are staked out at the Bundy ranch, waving guns at anybody and everybody, including each other, all to enable a wingnut racist mooch to leech off the rest of us.

Too funny! When an ill person receives Medicaid, you wingnuts call them a leech and want them to die. When a wingnut racist leeches off society, you call him a patriot and want to shoot anyone who complains. Apparently you stupes can't come up with a single idea that doesn't involve you being leeches and other people dying.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on May 4, 2014 11:26 PM
73. I find the previous 10 posts by adbots much more interesting than anything from the likes of MBS, dumbo kid, Dr. Weirdo and tensor....

From tensor, a while ago: Two words you won't read in the order: "hydroelectric" or "nuclear."

That's because we won't be deriving additional energy from those sources; we're building neither more dams nor more reactors.

We should be

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