February 04, 2014
One more federal jobs program

Rep. Suzan Del Bene, new Congresswoman from Medina, Wa, has a big win. Another federal jobs program.

How many are there now? Who can count them? Find them? Mitt Romney said in 2012 that there are 49 that report to 8 different agencies. And even Politifact claimed his statement to be "Mostly True." His error? Trivial. They found 47 programs in 9 agencies. Do you think there is any overlap?

She requested a $30 million program to train food-stamp recipients for work in the "Farm Bill" that passed the US House of Representatives last weeks. In a surprise of the legislative process she got 7 times more - $200 million. She based her request on a program Washington has called Washington State Basic Food Employment and Training (BFE&T). It's for SNAP (food stamp) recipients, but only for those not participating in Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) WorkFirst work program. Services are provided through community or technical colleges and/or community based organizations (CBO). And furthermore... It gets complicated, of course.

BFE&T's homepage claims that over a 2-year period 72% got jobs with a median pay of $11.00 per hour. That sounds good to me. But why do we need yet another federal jobs program? Why? Because it would take time and effort to dig through the existing 47 to find which one is a close-enough fit.

Since Del Bene's is a federal program much of its benefits will go to middle class people who get paid to put on classes - some well done and some poorly focused - and other services that the needy find hard to get access to.

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Update: Corrected first name spelling. Posted by Ron Hebron at February 04, 2014 08:05 AM | Email This
Comments
1. Ron sez, "But why do we need yet another federal jobs program? Why? Because it would take time and effort to dig through the existing 47 to find which one is a close-enough fit"

All you have to do is find one federal program that does what the BFET program does and you'd score a point. And one benefit you'd realize if you were to do that is that there might actually be a point to your post. Just find one federal jobs program that does what this one does and you're home free. But perhaps you believe that the time and effort required to do a little research before posting is asking too much of a Sound Politics blogger.

From the Peninsula College site,

"The BFET program is designed to help and support students receiving Basic Food (commonly known as food stamps) as they prepare for college and complete education and training programs in high wage and high demand fields."

What's BFET about? According to the site, "Establishing or maintaining eligibility for Basic Food while in school, eligibility for Working Connections Childcare, financial assistance with tuition and college-related expenses, referral to community resources."

http://www.pencol.edu/additional-financial-resources/basic-food-employment-and-training-program-bfet

While you're doing some research, maybe you can come up with one single Republican proposed federal jobs program that isn't about trickle-down tax cuts. Good luck with that.

Ron sez, "Since Del Bene's is a federal program much of its benefits will go to middle class people who get paid to put on classes"

Assuming you're doing more here than using "federal program" in a sentence as red meat, what are you trying to say here? Do you somehow conclude that an educational financial assistance program at the state, county or city level would somehow be free of money going to schools and educators?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on February 4, 2014 01:40 PM
2. .
@Ron Hebron at February 04, 2014 08:05 AM says:
median pay of $11.00 per hour. That sounds good to me.

BULLSHIT.
Prove me wrong Ron.
I'll hire you TODAY at $11/hr and no benefits.
Sound good to you?

No, I didn't think so.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on February 4, 2014 04:49 PM
3. If the Obamabots can --ck something up, they will.

Posted by: Mike on February 4, 2014 04:52 PM
4. .
And Ron, $11/HR doesn't sound good to a significant majority of Washingtonians either:

"Currently Washington's minimum wage is $9.19 per hour.

Next year, Washington's state legislature may consider a
number of proposals that would increase the state's minimum
wage.

Do you favor or oppose
raising the minimum wage to $12.00
per hour?"

Favor, strongly 42% (65% net "favor")

Favor, not strongly 23%

Oppose, not strongly 11%

Oppose, strongly 17% (28% net "oppose")

Don't know 8%

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on February 4, 2014 05:08 PM
5.
BULLSHIT. Prove me wrong Ron. I'll hire you TODAY at $11/hr and no benefits. Sound good to you?

No, I didn't think so.

Maybe he should. He might even be able to get a hostile workplace lawsuit out of it.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on February 4, 2014 05:46 PM
6. Creating jobs is nice, but creating government jobs just siphons off private sector wealth and redistributes it to less-than-productive areas.

Wealth is created by the private sector but consumed by the government sector. Creating jobs is great, but it must be done in the private sector where people are actively engaged in the production of wealth for themselves, providing goods and services for people who want and need those goods and services.

It's PRIVATE SECTOR, non-government-related jobs that matter - not another government program for jobs that truly don't serve the creation of wealth.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. THERE, FIXED! on February 4, 2014 06:22 PM
7. " And one benefit you'd realize if you were to do that is that there might actually be a point to your post."

Hey, he spelled her first name wrong, didn't he? That seemed to be the point of other posts here about her. (That, and groundless charges of nepotism.)

"It's PRIVATE SECTOR, non-government-related jobs that matter -"

I really look forward to you telling the crew out fixing the road near your house that their jobs do not matter, that they are not creating wealth, that you resent paying their wages and benefits. (Heck, I'd pay money to watch you do that.) How about you -- or, more accurately, your next of kin -- tell us how well they received your glibertarian pearls of great wisdom?

Posted by: tensor on February 4, 2014 06:54 PM
8. .
@6 Ten Years After,
Glad you could join us.

Over at Warren's post we were discussing the impacts of a an increase of the minimum wage to something someone could live on, and you commented @34-38:

If the minimum wage is raised to $15 per hour, it will mean the end of my wife's business.

I asked you on that post, but apparently you did not see it.

Let's try something novel here.
Teach us. Maybe your wife's business can educate us.

1. How many employees (not contractors) does your wife currently employee for less than $15/HR?
2. Describe the position (like a job posting) of the highest paid but under $15/HR employee. What are the skills, qualifications and expected work schedule?
3. What was the total gross salary paid (the sum total) to all the employees who were paid less than $15/HR for 2013?
4. What was your wife's business 2013 net income?
5. What was the annual attrition rate in each of the years 2011, 2012 and 2013 of all the employees paid under $15/HR?

I look forward to an informed discussion with our (un)SP business person, Ten Years After.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on February 4, 2014 07:26 PM
9. Mike,

My wife is one of the employees, not the business owner. She's just an employee. The shop is under hard times, and an increase to $15 per hour for the minimum wage would mean the business would shut down. The business simply can't support a wage that high.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. THERE, FIXED! on February 4, 2014 08:51 PM
10. @9

Ten Years,
You didn't give MikeBS enough info to nitpick you with semantics thus proving his greatness and intellectual superiority to us all.

Posted by: Anon on February 4, 2014 09:57 PM
11. The company is failing, and forcing the minimum wage to $15 per hour would be the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. THEH, FIXED! on February 5, 2014 06:40 AM
12. Anonymous Mike Boy Scout is myopic. When I said "over a two-year period 72% got jobs with median pay of $11.00 per hour" he thought I was just talking about the pay. If he had read the whole sentence he might agree that 72% getting jobs is very good. And $11 > $10 > the highest state minimum wage in the USA.

Posted by: Ron on February 5, 2014 10:00 AM
13. @12 Ron on February 5, 2014 10:00 AM,
Maybe I'm not "myopic" and maybe you just don't write very clearly.

Is 18% unemployment really "very good" for an employment program?

I'm happy to see you know "$11 > $10 >" $9.32.
So, knowing that $11 > $9.32 you want to take me up on my offer of a job at $11/HR with no benefits?

Surely an annual gross income of $22,800 "sounds good" to you Ron.

No? I didn't think so.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on February 5, 2014 03:48 PM
14. @11 Posted by: Ten Years After on February 5, 2014 06:40 AM,

"The company is failing, and forcing the minimum wage to $15 per hour would be the final nail in the coffin."

Thank-you for clearing that up.

Given what you've said about your wife's employer failing, it hardly seems smart economics to make a decision one way or another based upon its dying nature.

Or does it?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on February 5, 2014 04:02 PM
15. The upshot of the Obamabot welfare programs is their belief that people should not really have to work if they do not want to work. Never ending unemployment benefits, food stamp programs, min wage hikes, free healthcare, phones, and such.

It is a pretty sick ideology that treats humans like pets. Kept around and inline with Obama Treats as long as they obey their masters and lick their palms with votes.

And even if you indulge the Obamabot's Occupy Wall Street
idiocy that views employers as greedy slave drivers, wouldn't you rather be a respected and maintained work animal than a leashed pet?

Posted by: Mike on February 5, 2014 06:25 PM
16. MBS,

No.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. THERE, FIXED! on February 5, 2014 06:35 PM
17. Another government program which will increase the size of government employment which means more people that will vote for Democrats. The plantation rolls on...

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