January 23, 2014
Many of Washington's Left groups operate out of one building in Seattle

For the first time I've ever noticed, a member of the mainstream press in this state filed a story on the Progress Alliance of Washington, a group of wealthy liberal donors who coordinate on strategy and directly donate millions to the Left's permanent campaign arms such as FUSE and the Washington Bus.

Public radio's Austin Jenkins looks further at the group, which was founded in 2005 and whose work is modeled directly on an effort that began in Colorado (and profiled in the book The Blueprint). Says Jenkins:

You've heard of Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS and other issue advocacy groups that don't have to disclose their donors. They are transforming American politics.

These political nonprofits also exist at the state level. But much of this activity is coming from the left, not the right. And instead of TV ad campaigns, the work is largely happening online and on the ground.

Many of the groups that the Progress Alliance funds are housed in the same building as its own headquarters, the Vance Building on 3rd Ave in Seattle. Groups in the Vance Building include FUSE, the Sightline Institute, the Win/Win Network, and the Washington State Budget and Policy Center, as well as many other groups and consultants. From there, the groups coordinate the Left's policy and media rollouts, divvy up organizing work, and exert large influence in Democratic politics.

Jenkins story notes that, despite all the caterwauling about political spending by Karl Rove (and the Koch brothers, who names are now said as an epithet), big money groups are not new to the Left - they've been at this game for some time. Members of the Progress Alliance, founded by wealthy liberals such as Nick Hanauer, have distributed $8 million to their chosen groups, many of which could be characterized as permanent campaign groups. Neither the Progress Alliance nor the groups it funds disclose donors, even though the organizing work of the Democratic Party has essentially been shifted to these groups.

Shift Washington has a follow-up story that is worth checking out. The story's graphic will help you visualize how the groups the Progress Alliance funds are connected and working in tandem.

Posted by Adam Faber at January 23, 2014 10:36 AM | Email This
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1. Many of the groups that the Progress Alliance funds are housed in the same building as its own headquarters, the Vance Building on 3rd Ave in Seattle.

And? So?

Are you trying to make a point, or is this yet another post that makes no argument? (And, of course, will quickly be taken over by right wingnuts complaining about completely random things.)

Posted by: demo kid on January 23, 2014 11:18 AM
2. No surprise here.

They all think alike, which is to say very little. And they all roboticly parrot talking points. And they all worship the President reflexively, no matter his failures. So no surprise they are all in the same building.

I am sure their menstrual cycles are in sync as well.

Posted by: Leftover on January 23, 2014 12:26 PM
3. Since then, it's been replicated in some form in nearly two dozen states. Someone who's closely watched the rise of this network in Washington is Republican strategist Randy Pepple. He managed gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna's 2012 campaign and is quite familiar with Fuse.

"Well, Fuse's primary responsibility was to be out there attacking Rob McKenna every day, and to try to carry the theme that Rob McKenna was not who he said he was," Pepple said.

Now I get why Rob McKenna's failed campaign communications communications coordinator wants to focus on this story.

I think people would respect you far more if you managed to write about something thoughtful about the Washington state political system, as opposed to just dwelling on your own past failures.

Posted by: demo kid on January 23, 2014 12:30 PM
4. So the biggest news in a week on SoundPolitics is that progressive groups are CONSPIRING to elect progressive candidates? Stop the presses!

Posted by: Bruce on January 23, 2014 12:37 PM
5. "Are you trying to make a point"

My wingnut decoder ring says it's just a whine, although the folks over at WAShift did it better.

"Blowing the cover off of this shady scheme is exactly the type of work that motivates SHIFT every day - to shine a spotlight on the excesses of the professional Left in this state."

Apparently it sucks to be Shift.

Speaking of Shift, who are the faces behind the whines? Do we need a spotlight? Heck, I didn't see where it was even disclosed who is writing that crap. Maybe I missed something, but it appears they are just as anonymous as our own anonymous coward, Pudge.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 12:44 PM
6. "roboticly parrot talking points"

The only robotically parroted talking points so far are to be found in your own comment.

"I am sure their menstrual cycles are in sync as well"

When wingnuts project, sometimes we learn things about them that we really didn't need to know.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 01:05 PM
7. Where'd you get your "wingnut decoder ring" Dr. Steve? Or are you the nut?

Posted by: Mke on January 23, 2014 02:24 PM
8. "Where'd you get your "wingnut decoder ring" Dr. Steve?"

Eh, I copied the design from the Puddybud decoder ring, which is often passed around over at HA so we can understand WTF my friend Puddy is talking about.

Dr. Steve, the world-reknown voltologist? No, I am Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon and you are Mke, the wingnut.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 02:56 PM
9. It's really funny -- Republicans think they own such practices as negative campaigning, big-money collusion, and operating in the shadows. When anyone else uses such tactics against them, they whine and whine and whine and whine.

SnitWAaaaah!, who originally researched this story (and by "researched this story," we mean "listened to a liberal NPR station in Seattle,") tried mightily to imply Fuse was violating our state's Public Disclosure laws, even though the KPLU story itself noted explicitly this was not true. Little wonder Adam liked the SnitWAaah! post so much; that's his kind of writing, for sure.

He probably also didn't mind this note, either, from the original KPLU piece:

"Well, Fuse's primary responsibility was to be out there attacking Rob McKenna every day, and to try to carry the theme that Rob McKenna was not who he said he was," Pepple said.

Or, maybe Fuse "was out there every day, telling people exactly who Rob McKenna really was," but who knows? Pepple gave no examples, and KPLU apparently doesn't care enough about the matter to check on whether they are broadcasting accurate information or not.

""Blowing the cover off of this shady scheme is exactly the type of work that motivates SHIFT every day - to shine a spotlight on the excesses of the professional Left in this state."

Guys -- whomever you are, since you don't sign your posts -- the liberal college kids at KPLU in Seattle are eating your lunch! Why, if this keeps up, whomever is paying the hosting fees for SnitWAaah! -- another topic you have yet to disclose -- might decide just to listen to public radio instead. (Yes, the good Dr. Z. already mentioned both points, but we need to keep hammering away at SnitWAaah! as the hypocrites they are.)

Posted by: tensor on January 23, 2014 04:01 PM
10. So the biggest news in a week on SoundPolitics is that progressive groups are CONSPIRING to elect progressive candidates? Stop the presses!

Well, last week's news was that sitting politicians seek re-election by promoting policies that will appeal to a majority coalition of voters.

If that's representative of the state of policy wonkery at the WAGOP, it would explain a lot of things.

Posted by: scottd on January 23, 2014 04:58 PM
11. Another day, and the name calling left is still very angry.

Posted by: Independent Voter on January 23, 2014 05:35 PM
12. So the left tries to strike back at McKenna instead of meeting the accusations from Faber head on, while their brethren the commie progressives are exposed for who they are. If it weren't for the these political prostitutes taking the debate into the sewer, there might be less of these posts that leftists disdain. The problem is that the only way the left can win elections is by deliberately lieing about what the opposition candidate(s) were alleged to have said. They distort and take their words out of context. My prediction - As long as the right does not shoot back forcefully, the Progress Alliance and other left wingnut groups will keep trying to pile on.

Like what Mike Huckabee said about the "war on women" today that Democrats are running to keep them on the plantation and that they are homonally out of control. Right away, CNN and NBC distorted what he said to make him sound offensive toward women by omitting audio comments that make him sound sexist, when the reporters on the networks are sexist liars.
I am offended by these and other a-holish antics. I am equally offended when the GOP does not call them on their lies and propaganda and more importantly tell the people how they plan to make things better if they are elected.

Posted by: KDS on January 23, 2014 05:57 PM
13. I think people would respect you far more if you managed to write about something thoughtful about the Washington state political system, as opposed to just dwelling on your own past failures.

Posted by demo kid at January 23, 2014 12:30 PM

If you would be intellectually honest for a change, others would have a little respect for you, but that won't happen as long as your narcissism and self-centered pride prevails. Write something thoughtful about the State's political system ? Like the State Senate not letting Inslee have his way ? That would frustrate you and the rest of the leftwingnuts.

Posted by: KDS on January 23, 2014 06:04 PM
14. "WAShift has a story worth checking out."

Huh? Worth checking out?? Sorry, Adam, but WAShit reads as though Amused, Leftover, Idiot Voter and KDS have started their own web site.

"the name calling left is still very angry"

Yes, VERY angry. That no doubt explains why Dr. Zatoichi ROFLMFAO at you so much.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 06:30 PM
15. "So the left tries to..., while their brethren the commie progressives"

WTF? We're only brethren? But, but you always claimed that the left ARE commie progressives! And commie-fascists! And commie-statists! And commie-Jihadists! And commie-commies! Damn, now we're only brethren. Sucks.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 06:43 PM
16. "Jenkins story notes that, despite all the caterwauling about political spending by Karl Rove (and the Koch brothers, who names are now said as an epithet), big money groups are not new to the Left - they've been at this game for some time."

Adam may be onto something here. I've heard of these very quiet folks with names like "Kennedy" and "Soros" lurking around, behind the scenes of American politics. Perhaps Adam could enlighten us on these secret actors, via his demonstrated jounalistic method of writing a blog post about a blog post about a radio story?

Posted by: tensor on January 23, 2014 06:55 PM
17. "Like what Mike Huckabee said about the "war on women""

Traction is when the right talks about the Republican War on Women. I suspect WAshit was hoping for the same kind of traction with their "War on Jobs". Epic fail, guys. Sadly for WAShit, that war (more wingnut projection, no doubt) appears to have ended for the reality-challenged WAShit when the machinists signed the pact with Boeing. Too funny!

The War on Women is based in reality - the laws closing women's clinics, denying equal pay, laws against contraceptives, laws that could imprison women for miscarriages, laws redefining rape - it's all quite real, folks. WAShit and their faux "War on Jobs" is hokum. No tie to reality, no traction possible. As with KDS, the WAShit fantasy of a Democratic Party "War on Jobs" was doomed to fail from it's very conception.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 07:05 PM
18. There is no "war on women" other than the Islamic was on women which goes on with full approval of the Democrats and all there little front groups. Not even "NOW" will dare challenge the hand that feeds them.

Posted by: Independent Voter on January 23, 2014 07:09 PM
19. "his demonstrated jounalistic method of writing a blog post about a blog post about a radio story"

So funny!

"But much of this activity is coming from the left, not the right."

Explains all, doesn't it? Adam's is just a jealousy rant having to do with the lack of a well-financed wingnut welfare system in this solidly blue state - as in how Adam isn't getting any. Sucks when your meal-ticket loses the election, huh?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 07:26 PM
20. "Not even "NOW" will dare challenge the hand that feeds them."

Hmm, the hand that feeds NOW. I take it that would be the Islamists who operate with the "full approval of the Democrats and all there little front groups".

See, I told you that we're commie-jihadists!! Actually, I'm a commie-fascist-Mormon-Jihadist, but that's getting into the finer distinctions between us Jihad lovin' progressive commie-fascist types.

You people are so damned stupid. It must make your heads hurt. Want to talk about it?

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 23, 2014 07:59 PM
21. @12: So the left tries to strike back at McKenna instead of meeting the accusations from Faber head on, while their brethren the commie progressives are exposed for who they are.

THERE ARE NO ACCUSATIONS HERE. Faber is writing a post about how it's awful that... well... progressive organizations get funding and coordinate just like any other organization. There is literally no "accusations" in his post. It is reporting facts that are not in dispute.

If it weren't for the these political prostitutes taking the debate into the sewer, there might be less of these posts that leftists disdain.

I have no idea who you mean by "political prostitute", but I would assume that you are talking about Adam, as he's the one here that's been paid to (figuratively) turn tricks in a professional political setting.

Like what Mike Huckabee said about the "war on women" today that Democrats are running to keep them on the plantation and that they are homonally out of control. Right away, CNN and NBC distorted what he said to make him sound offensive toward women by omitting audio comments that make him sound sexist, when the reporters on the networks are sexist liars.

They didn't need to distort anything. His argument was laughably weak, and not borne out by evidence.

Aside from opposition to abortion and gender neutral language, what are the only other mentions of women in the most recent national GOP platform? There are three: reform of American Indian tribal law to protect its "weakest members", approval of women in the military (but exemption from direct combat roles), and outright refusal to approve the U.N. Convention on Women's Rights. To that end, the Republican Party, through its platform, defines women in the US mainly through restrictions on abortion and military service.

Conversely, in the Democratic platform, women are brought up multiple times, primarily in reference to anti-discrimination initiatives, pro-family policies for family leave, and so forth.

I won't go so far as to say that the entire Republican Party is prosecuting an intentional, malicious "war on women". However, if these are issues faced by women in American society today, and the Republican Party through its explicit policy stances is only worried about abortion and keeping G.I Jane off the front line, I'd say that the GOP just does a horrible job representing women. How can a party like that even begin to state that they are "fighting for women"? You might as well say they are fighting for Irish-Americans or redheads or people that are left-handed -- nothing in their policy positions gives any indication that they are concerned about issues that affect women outside of reproduction.

Posted by: demo kid on January 23, 2014 08:41 PM
22. @13: If you would be intellectually honest for a change, others would have a little respect for you, but that won't happen as long as your narcissism and self-centered pride prevails.

This literally makes zero sense. I'm saying that Adam makes no point here, and venting my frustration that someone close to the Republican Party machine cannot seem to provide any rational analysis whatever. My own "narcissism" and "self-centered pride" is irrelevant, and I have no idea how I'm being "intellectually honest".

Write something thoughtful about the State's political system ? Like the State Senate not letting Inslee have his way ? That would frustrate you and the rest of the leftwingnuts.

That could be interesting... but instead Adam writes about how the governor delivered a speech with few surprises, and feigned shock that he would mention policy positions that he's clearly held. If he did write cogent political analysis -- even from the right! -- I'd have much more respect for his abilities.

Posted by: demo kid on January 23, 2014 08:46 PM
23. @18: There is no "war on women" other than the Islamic was on women which goes on with full approval of the Democrats and all there little front groups. Not even "NOW" will dare challenge the hand that feeds them.

I must have missed that part about "full approval" in... well... pretty much everything that you've referenced. There is a difference between not exactly thinking that every single Muslim is automatically a terrorist and a wife-beater, and tolerating the social and political repression of anyone.

Posted by: demo kid on January 23, 2014 09:00 PM
24. Yeah, focus on the Demos. Not going to work this year. This year the Tea Party's anger is focused upon one thing and that one thing is the Defeat of the Republican Establishment. You and your bois in the senate lied to get elected in 2010. Four years later THEY ARE UP FOR RE-ELECTION.

The only thing that got them elected in 2010 was the tea party surge. Surely the Democrats realize how weak these one term young incumbents are. They were elected under the claim that they would be different (that's why we were supposed to trust them despite them being so young and otherwise not accomplished anywhere). They were going to change the Olympia environment. But instead they were changed BY the Olympia environment. Either that or what I believe which is they weren't planning to change the Olympia environment to begin with. They just saw the strength of the Tea Party express and just hopped on board with NO INTENTION to fulliful the rhetoric they used to get elected.

Well, regardless, the tea party is sure pissed about these bois in the senate and if anything hope the Democrats will run someone. I personally would perfer someone runs in the primary but regardless, defeating the bois in the senate is going to be a focus of the tea party. They are honorable people who legitimately feel betrayed and they feel that these liars must not be reelected at any price.

So, I really don't care about the "liberal hit groups". I hope they come at the bois with an vengence in the Senate. I mean what did the "tea party Senators" do for us. They betrayed us in favor of these very same hit groups and for now these same hit groups to turn against them. I don't call it a time for a conservative grassroots uprising. I call it poetic justice.

We will get them next time. If this time they help us clean up our own mess so be it. It's not like their will be any change policy wise as they basically get what they want anyway. So yeah, if they want to re-take a few seats that the tea party lost them, they can have them back.

IF you believe in Term Limits, lets practice what we preach. The "Tea Party" Senators, betrayed the Tea Party when it counted. About time we pay them back.

And since the GOP hasn't done anything about the IRS, if I do something about this I might get an audit. Best to lay low and not donate to any Establishment Republicans, just in case you know.

Listen here for examples of how the Republican Party has betrayed us

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:11 AM
25. How many times, how many times, have we in the conservative grassroots asked the Establishment Republicans to stand with us against the llberal hords only for them to throw us under the bus and actually throw their lot in with them.

Oh, look the Left is going for Marijuana Legislation, what are we going to do about it?

What do you mean by WE, Kemosabe Republican John McKay says..,

Oh, look the Left is going for Legislized Gay Marriage. How are we going to stop it? What do you mean by WE, Kemosabe says our bois in the Senate? The Faux Tea Party Senators who only got into office because of the Tea Party surge of 2010.

And so, now the Republican Establishment sees the Left targeting some of their canddates for defeat and they are turning to us in the grassroots, and to our wallets and saying how are we gong to stop them.

My Response - WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WE KEMOSABE.

I hope they tear you apart limb by limb. It's not going to change anything policywise at least not any of the issues I care about because they have already proven that they get what they want regardless of whether these Republican are in office or not, so I really would actually perfer them out of office. The one thing Democrats can't do is stab me in the back. If we are going to get the same crap legislation regardless, yeah, let the Democrats have it so the the Republicans can just die as a party and perhaps a real opposition can form in the vacuum.

Why should I stick my neck out and run the very real risk of being audited. Like I said, what do you mean by WE Kemosabe.

I think it is poetic justice that the groups in the left so many of you have befriended are now turning agaisnt you.

You have the progressives coming at you from the left (some gratitude for throwing us under the best for them huh) and you have the Tea Party coming at you from the right. There's a saying about people who try to get into the middle of the road. They Tend to get run over, or in this case CRUNCHED!

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:30 AM
26. Why does this remind me so much of that scene in movies or whatever where the bad guy had like brided someone in the good guys camp and the that guy asking "are you going to pay me now". The main bad guy says to the guy who he had bribed to betray the good guys "oh you will get what is coming to you" and then shoots him in the head.

No one likes a betrayer. Not even the person for whom he has betrayed.

So that's what's happening to all these Establishment Republicans. They sold us out to applease all these Leftists groups. But despite appleasing them...well might as well have one of our own in there...

So, yeah, might as well have one of their own. It's not like having one of our own really changed anything except made things worse because the betrayal made it look like a "bipartisan" victory.

So, yeah, you were so much into "bipartsanship" when it came to Olympia. Let bipartiship" get you re-elected this year. You wouldn't want our money or votes anyway? The votes of hobbits? The votes of Wacko birds?

I am going to risk an audit by donating or showing any other sign of public support on their behalf? Not likely!

They threw US over the bus to help these Liberal Hit Groups, and now we are supposed to get upset to see the same thing happen to them?

Not likely. I am hoping to see the Tea Party Bois in the Senate go down in flames (no pun intended). They are going to have to find REAL WORK come November. Which I am sure means they will become lobbyists. As looking at the short resume seems to be the only thing they are qualified for. Why elect people this young to begin with? I have never understood it. Even when I was young I never understood it. I would think we would want somone to have achieved something in the outside world before giving these people power to make laws over us. We need more candidates who actually have solid private sector experience instead of continuing to elect people who look like they have come out of high school.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:46 AM
27. Benedict Arnold died lone and betrayed. The British promised him some good land, but he didn't get any of that.

So, yeah, often the Betrayal himself finds himself betrayed by the one he helped.

So, now the Left is about to betray you despite all the help you have done for them. What goes around comes around.

By the way, I am hearing that one of the Senators who the tea party voted in back in 2010 he is planning to become a Democrat. Well at least has put out some feelers to the Democrats, he is thinking about it heavily. Not surprising.

Gosh, when you see the same kind of stuff happen over and over again with only the names changing and sometmes not even that, it gets kind of boring. Yeah, the RINO who talks party loyalty (meaning we have to vote for him because he calls himeself a Republican) right up to the point he switches parties. Or with Sid Morrison he never actually switched parties but still threw his lot with the most Leftist Governor we had up to that time (Mike Lowry, check out his record in the US Congress to see what type of man he was and that is what we knew publicly about him as there were a lot of whisper open secret talk about him within political circles which at the end some became public).

So, yeah don't get too surprised when at least one of our 2010 elected State Senators becomes a Democrat. When that happens then we are finally allowed to hate someone who Sound Politics spent the last four years defending. I love the hypocrisy when they do that. Yeah he is bad now. But not BECAUSE of the party switch. He was bad before too!

Party Loyalty is always ONE sided with the politicians. They constantly betray the party themselves...

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:09 AM
28. By the time the elections come around you are going to have two types of Republcan Voters among those who are active in the grassroots.

Dejected grassroots (won't vote won't participate).

Angry Grassroots (will vote anti-incumbent even if that means taking out a Republican).

The anger from people who you think would support you will be overwhelming. The main focus will be amnesty which if I had to guess is going to happen around April, perhaps June, but the anger will not calm down by Nov.

http://www.redstate.com/2014/01/22/surprise-surprise-kevin-mccarthy-backs-amnesty/

You will not be able to make this about the Democrats this year when so much of why we hate them actually has bi-partisan support. And people have a special type of hatred for someone who betrays them far more intense than even an enemy who behaves like an enemy to their face.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:20 AM
29. @24. Well, regardless, the tea party is sure pissed about these bois in the senate and if anything hope the Democrats will run someone. I personally would perfer someone runs in the primary but regardless, defeating the bois in the senate is going to be a focus of the tea party. They are honorable people who legitimately feel betrayed and they feel that these liars must not be reelected at any price.

The Tea Party is not "honorable" or "dishonorable" -- it is simply composed of members that don't want to pay taxes. I think you're conflating "honor" with "doesn't want to pay taxes" or "agrees with me".

IF you believe in Term Limits, lets practice what we preach. The "Tea Party" Senators, betrayed the Tea Party when it counted. About time we pay them back.

The Tea Party senators -- any senators, really -- have to govern within a pluralistic democracy. Likewise, in the Senate they are in the minority. I don't think you really get what this whole democracy thing is all about.

@25: Oh, look the Left is going for Marijuana Legislation, what are we going to do about it?

So.... libertarians that support the Tea Party should just screw themselves, as well as any Republican that strays from your personal beliefs. And, of course, I must have missed the part where Tea Party Republican senators were the deciding votes on I-502. I don't think you really get what this whole democracy thing is all about.

Oh, look the Left is going for Legislized Gay Marriage. How are we going to stop it? What do you mean by WE, Kemosabe says our bois in the Senate? The Faux Tea Party Senators who only got into office because of the Tea Party surge of 2010.

I must have missed the part where all of the Tea Party Republican senators were the deciding votes on R-74, or any gay marriage vote in the legislature. I don't think you really get what this whole democracy thing is all about.

Why should I stick my neck out and run the very real risk of being audited. Like I said, what do you mean by WE Kemosabe.

I'll bite -- why precisely do you think you have ANY risk of being audited, beyond what ANYONE else would have? It will take more than posting on some website with declining readership.

@26: Why does this remind me so much of that scene in movies or whatever where the bad guy had like brided someone in the good guys camp and the that guy asking "are you going to pay me now". The main bad guy says to the guy who he had bribed to betray the good guys "oh you will get what is coming to you" and then shoots him in the head.

Because apparently you believe we live in a fictional world. Real life is not the movies, and you are not ruler of the universe.

Posted by: demo kid on January 24, 2014 06:53 AM
30. THERE ARE NO ACCUSATIONS HERE. Faber is writing a post about how it's awful that... well... progressive organizations get funding and coordinate just like any other organization. There is literally no "accusations" in his post. It is reporting facts that are not in dispute.

To be fair, Adam did write it in a bitter and accusatory tone, and understandably so. From his perspective, like that of his soul-mates over at SnitWAaaah!, Fuse and the other groups listed are conspiring to deny Adam the power, influence, and position he believes are rightfully his.

I do like the sleight-of-hand in the original story, which Adam and SnitWAaah! are all to happy to pass along: the equation of the Koch Bros. and Katl Rove with local donors, like Nick Hanauer. Apparently money is money is money, with no distinction drawn between out-of-state operators with hidden agendas, and locals who openly seek improvements in our state. (If only we had anyone around here who could critique the distortions of our local media!)

Posted by: tensor on January 24, 2014 08:06 AM
31. @30: Apparently money is money is money, with no distinction drawn between out-of-state operators with hidden agendas, and locals who openly seek improvements in our state.

It's a hard distinction to make between out-of-state operators versus locals -- I certainly value out-of-state funding for issues I agree about, and I could be convinced to support these issues in other places where they might matter.

The bigger concern is what one will get out of influencing the process. If you are operating based on your political philosophy, fine. I don't like that out-of-state Mormons were pumping resources into an anti-gay marriage initiative, but whatever... there is little financial benefit to be gained.

However, if you're looking to make a couple of bucks from relaxed regulations, and you're funding Tea Party folks while hiding behind "libertarianism" and "free markets" to get that done, that's different. That's the case whether it is local or out-of-state. So until, say, bicycling initiatives start getting billion-dollar funding from the Schwinn family, I'm not as concerned about the left as the right.

Posted by: demo kid on January 24, 2014 09:27 AM
32. Demo kid, you seem to have missed a lot of what went on the last few years. Marriage Equality would not be a reality in Washington State if it weren't for the support of Republican Senators Steve Litzow, Joe Fain, Andy Hill, former Senator Cheryl Pflug and Representative Maureen Walsh and former Representative Glenn Anderson.

That's just a fact. Google it.

As for Marijuana. Well I realize that outside Republican circles the name "McKay" isn't well known. But he is very well known within. Perhaps it would be unfair to say that his role was essential as the bois in Olympia (the Senators elected in 2010) were for gay marriage. Again, we would not have gay marriage if it wasn't for their key votes at that key time.

But John McKay, as turncoats often do, did give a certain about of "legitimacy" to the Marijuana cause in our state. Could they have done it without him, perhaps, but he gave the air of bipartisanshp. A former US attorney general undo big bad Daddy Bush, talk about a "Road to Damascas momemnt".

Republicans were intimately invoted in gay marriage but I grant their role in pot they were less so. But still there was the long knifes that the Republican Establishment is so famous for.

Gosh, let the party die already. It's a cancer!

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2011-09-28/news/the-evolution-of-john-mckay/

Yeah, what do you mean by we.. indeed Kemosabe.

On a personal note, this one really hurt me. I knew of the family. His parents were very, very good people. I wonder what particularly his dad would have thought about this. His dad was a doctor.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 10:35 AM
33. Hey, Demo kid.

A good idea about going after these "tea party senators", you know these Senators who were elected with the tea party surge in 2010 is indeed bring up the out of district sources of their campaign funds.

Yes, that is "just how things are done in Olympia" but these politicians were elected with the promise to change how things are done in Olympia.

The fact that they are now behaving like an "ordiinary politician" is a violation of their promises. You can say, whereas you have no problem taking out of district funds, you think it is hypocritical for these incumbents to do so given how much they criticized the process to get elected.

Please, don't by the hype. This is a DEMOCRAT year if only for the fact it is so anti-incumbent and the ones most willing to go against their party for the sake of anti-incumbancy are those who historically have supported the GOP.

Think of this as like another 2006. Many of the same dynamics are at work.

Actaully to be specific you would probably lose if you approach it as a Democrat year. It's not that we are so fond of you, we just despise the Republican Establishment. So instead of focusing on yourselves being Democrats you need to focus on your Republican enemies as Republicans and Incumbents. Focus on "good government" issues where the Republicans are behaving just like the Democrats.

"It's both party's fault" will get you the most traction instead of trying to make the argument that there is anything decent about the Democrats (because there isn't).

You would be surprised at the "tea party" support (at least indirectly)you would get from such a mantra this year.

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/MvcViewReports/Candidate/leg_candidates

The PDCS are your friends this year. If you can to a mailing to leaning Republicans with you just mailing their PDCs it will get you far.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 11:41 AM
34. "The fact that they are now behaving like an "ordiinary politician" is a violation of their promises."

So says steve the seminar caller...

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 24, 2014 12:08 PM
35. Wow, you can get the actual addresses of Republican donors.

We should write these donors and harrass them. I bet it wouldn't take much. If these people knew that their 50 or 100 or whatever donation will lead to harrassment of themselves, their families, their busineses, how many of them would contribute to Republicans anymore.

I hope that fellow Democrats join me in this ZERO Tolerance for Republican Donors. We can shame them just like we did in the civil rights movement. We can't allow them to poison our society with their money. It is right for them to be harrassed for helping the forces of hate.

Again, it won't take much. Messages on the doorstep saying "We know you donated to so and so hateful Republican". Perhaps with some mild vandalism of the property. And for businesses the same with perhaps also some Demostrations saying don't support someone who supports hate.

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/MvcViewReports/Candidate/leg_candidates

Posted by: DFan on January 24, 2014 12:40 PM
36. @32: Demo kid, you seem to have missed a lot of what went on the last few years. Marriage Equality would not be a reality in Washington State if it weren't for the support of Republican Senators Steve Litzow, Joe Fain, Andy Hill, former Senator Cheryl Pflug and Representative Maureen Walsh and former Representative Glenn Anderson.

I didn't forget it -- it is just inconsequential. You're equating "Tea Party Republicans" with hardline social conservatives, and it's not equivalent. You're also assuming that your social conservatism is what should be followed by every Republican, which is also pretty absurd. Where precisely is this "big tent" that I heard so much about?

You're also stating that the party in the minority could overturn two popular measures put to the people in the state by fiat, simply because you wanted them to. I may be mistaken, but doesn't that fly in the face of democratic rule?

Again, we would not have gay marriage if it wasn't for their key votes at that key time.

In the popular referendum which approved gay marriage? Because that is really the only vote that counted in the end, and a majority of voters approved it. If the people were against this action, they could have voted no.

But John McKay, as turncoats often do, did give a certain about of "legitimacy" to the Marijuana cause in our state. Could they have done it without him, perhaps, but he gave the air of bipartisanshp. A former US attorney general undo big bad Daddy Bush, talk about a "Road to Damascas momemnt".

Damascus, you mean? Well, he's free to have his beliefs about marijuana legalization. It's a minor issue in relation to the rest of the Republican platform, and your hurt feelings and general complaining don't change that.

Republicans were intimately invoted in gay marriage but I grant their role in pot they were less so. But still there was the long knifes that the Republican Establishment is so famous for.

What long knives? I fail to see how this led to anything BUT the legalisation of marijuana. No knives were required, no political shakeup in the Republican ranks, nothing. At worst, it was political calculus for Republicans in economically conservative, socially liberal districts, and probably calculus that a party would have to accept.

On a personal note, this one really hurt me. I knew of the family. His parents were very, very good people. I wonder what particularly his dad would have thought about this. His dad was a doctor.

On a personal note, you're blowing this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion, in ever more amusing ways. McKay was not your representative, and definitely was not *your* representative. You make it sound like he went out and shot your dog.

@33: The fact that they are now behaving like an "ordiinary politician" is a violation of their promises. You can say, whereas you have no problem taking out of district funds, you think it is hypocritical for these incumbents to do so given how much they criticized the process to get elected.

Nearest I can tell, they are governing from the right, but they are still (kinda) governing. Digging in your heels and assuming that a few senators gives you run of the entire place is absurd. Real politics is about compromise -- imaginary politics is assuming that your opinion is the only one that matters.

And elections take money. I think it's great to stand up for a fairer system, but you don't make change if you don't get elected.

Actaully to be specific you would probably lose if you approach it as a Democrat year. It's not that we are so fond of you, we just despise the Republican Establishment. So instead of focusing on yourselves being Democrats you need to focus on your Republican enemies as Republicans and Incumbents. Focus on "good government" issues where the Republicans are behaving just like the Democrats.

The "we" in your statement pretty much just represents a small demographic that will vote hard right Republican, third-party, or stay home and write pissed off blog entries. What in particular really matters about anything else you're saying? In the real world, few conservatives are going to vote anti-incumbent and put someone into office that they hate, no matter what may happen in your fantasy world. You seem willfully ignorant as to exactly how the whole system works.

Posted by: demo kid on January 24, 2014 12:44 PM
37. The definitive description of today's Democrat:
We should write these donors and harrass(sic) them.

Again, it won't take much. Messages on the doorstep saying "We know you donated to so and so hateful Republican". Perhaps with some mild vandalism of the property. And for businesses the same with perhaps also some Demostrations(sic) saying don't support someone who supports hate.

The "ZERO Tolerance" of the self proclaimed tolerant. Using hate to vilify hate The irony and hypocrisy is staggering. And the best part - he doesn't even know what a sad cartoon - and coward - he is. Definitive, indeed.

Conservatives, PLEASE disseminate the proof of that "ZERO Tolerance" and hate far and wide. Let's help them show America who they really are.

Re: Many of Washington's Left groups operate out of one building in Seattle

I wonder how many dead and imaginary folds VOTE from that address...

2014: The Year of Delicious, Delightful, DemocRAT Schadenfreude.
1092 days. It seems like it was just yesterday it was 1200! Oh yes, the SCHADENFREUDE effect!

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 24, 2014 12:56 PM
38. Ten years ago you would have been right. Conservatives would have just sat back and kept on electing Republican Benedict Arnolds. I don't have much respect for those conservatives.

But I have much more hope in this generation. Oh, they will stay at home and build bug out kits before they would even think of voting for a RINO.

They know that our only hope as as a people is to destroy the Republican party. Only then can a true opposition party rise up to fight the Democrats. Something the Republicans have been unwilling to do.

Demo kid, you don't know how it feels to be betrayed. Your side always has fought for your issues. You have never been thrown under the bus by your people like we have by "ours".

So perhaps that is why you underestimate the anger out there. You should embrace it as it is going to work to your advantage short term. But perhaps you fear the Death of the GOP as much as the GOP does, and if so that is very wise of you.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 12:58 PM
39. Ha! Schadenfreude on ME @ 37

folds (sic!!) FOLKS

ps - Thank you, thank you, thank you, to "Zero Tolerance" @ 35. Keep it up!!

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 24, 2014 01:07 PM
40. RagnarDanneskold even five years ago, a post like Dfan's would have still enraged me.

But now it's "what do you mean by we, Kemosabe".

Look for anyone who has ever gotten involved in a campaign, they know the dangers. The Democrats are psychos. They play hardball. They always have.

And if, say there was a new party and the the Democrats were doing that to candidates I believe in, yeah, I would risk the audits, I would risk the violence, the risks to my lifelihood. The lost to my business.

But the Republicans aren't worth it. So I risk gettig hurt, losing my business, all of that and "my guy" gets elected. Only tho throw his lot in with the gay marriage crew?

No, not worth it. Republicans have proven time and time again when WE need them, they are not there. They have never had OUR backs, why would we even think of risking ours for them.

Democrats are evil, but since Republicans like to sell us out to them, seeing Democrats go after these same Republicans...well SCHADENFREUDE. Or as I said in another post the Democrats are giving them what they "deserve".

Here's a great radio program about this subject...

http://stevedeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/deace_hour1_101713.mp3

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 01:14 PM
41. I can't count the number of times the Democrats have done such awful stuff to supporters of Republican candidates, BUT after the election if the Republican Canidate wins, the issue is dropped. NO prosecution, no any of that. After all, the candidate has won. Why hold the Democrats accountable for any of the crap they did. IN fact now is the time to try to bring them over if possible for the next campaign.

Not ever have I seen a Republican Candidate have the back of their supporters. At best the candidate becomes "invisable" after the campaign. At worse the candidate actually helps stop any post election legal stuff under the call for "reconciliation.

So, yeah, if it was worth it, yeah, but none of our current crop of politicians are worth me going to the hospital for, losing my business for, getting an audit for. They just aren't worth it.

Look the Audit Thing, that should be a serious consideration for anyone even thinking of helping a Republican. We know the IRS has targeted us, even though they are too cowardly to do anything about it.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-IRS-Investigation/2013/07/31/id/517900

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 01:28 PM
42. Doctor McKay was a great man who treated people with respect and helped them out personally regardless of who they were.

John McKay...well I wonder what his father would think if he could see him now. Politics sure change people for the worse don't they.

Yeah, I do feel like something good and decent was twisted and perverted and used against us.

And I feel ashamed that I can even still feel this way after the thousands of other betrayals I have seen throughout my political life.

The Democrats might be evil but at least they stand by their own people. The Republicans are just backstabbers, the Establishment that is.

It will be interesting to see which of the current Republicans who were first elected in 2010 is going to switch parties this year. I have just heard rumors, I think I know who it's going to be, but I am not sure. The smart thing from the Democrat perspective though would to be not to let him because all those seats are already ripe for the picking. They only won those seats 2010 with Tea Party support. They aren't going to have Tea Party Support this year.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 01:40 PM
43. We won't stay home, you really believe that?

I have evidence to say otherwise.

It's called 2012

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/01/24/if_the_tea_party_is_so_powerful_what_happened_in_2012

RUSH: You got to time it right. You don't want to wear out your welcome before it actually begins. Now, the Tea Party, I want to go back to what you said about if the Tea Party's so powerful, what happened in 2012? You know, it's amazing what people hear. I constantly learn from this. Do not misunderstand. Earlier in the program, I simply detailed what happened in the 2010 midterms. We all know the Tea Party came into existence, and we know why. Outraged over all the spending and all of the debt and Obamacare, and people who had never before been involved in the political process other than voting, even then, organized. And they started going to town hall meetings.

The Democrats were petrified. Nobody knew who they were. There was no headquarters. There was no leader. There was nobody to demonize. Who are these people? The 2010 midterms resulted in the Democrat Party major landslide defeat. I mean, it was huge. So I point that out, and I guess some people hear me say how powerful the Tea Party is, when I had not said that at all. So the inference was the Tea Party's so powerful. "Well, if they're so powerful in 2010, what happened in 2012?" Well, they didn't show up and I'll take you back down memory lane. All of the pre-presidential polls for 2012 that showed Obama up five, six, I said, "This can't be." And they kept comparing the 2008 turnout. In fact, that's what they used to project the 2012 turnout.

And I said, "Well, why not the 2010 turnout? Why don't you take that?" And the pollsters said because the midterm turnout's far different than the presidential turnout. We can't. I thought that was bogus, but they were right. They're two different turnouts. In 2010, the Republican vote was a total anti-Obama vote. There wasn't a Republican on the ballot to screw it up. In 2012, there was. In 2012, you had the same Tea Party people, and they were just as angry about Obama and Obamacare, but they were not satisfied with what they saw from their party in terms of standing up to it and defeating it, so they stayed home. Four million Republicans that voted in 2008 stayed home in 2012.

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I hope the Democrats are aware of just how weak these seats that went to Freshmen Republican Senators in 2010 are this year. You have cultural conservatives who just need to be be reminded of their vote on gay marriage. If I was a Democrat running against one of them I would "compliment" them for their vote on Gay Marriage but then say, in other areas they sold their vote to out of district lobbyists. They are really weak in the fact that they came to fight Olympia only to become Olympia (of course someone like me saw that the whole "Fight Olympia" rhetoric were lies all along).


At best (from the Republican perspective) the tea party people who gave them the necessary surge to win in 2010 won't be there so of course that means they will lose. Or perhaps indeed I am right to say that many of them are so angry they would actually votef for a Democrat in an anti incumbent move. I think Democrats have a good chance of that happening if they will find people who aren't totally socialist (at least in their rheotric) to run against them. They should realize that the Left is going to vote for them anyway. Just make it not totally repulsive for people right of center and they just might as well.

Or they might not vote. Just don't allow the Republicans to redirect their anger. I don't think that will be possible with their extreme anger over the amnestry vote, but just don't run a total socialist in these districts and you should win.

And yes, this year I want you to win. Whatever speeds up the demise of the Republican party can only be a good thing for those of us looking for a REAL opposition party.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:25 PM
44. From more and more Christian people I am hearing "the lesser of two evils are still evil" so yeah, if you can remind them of this vote they will not be able in good concious be able to vote for these people. They will leave it blank, write in Jesus, or simply not return a ballot.

For the other Tea Party types, well they are just going to be pissed at Republicans in general especially after the Amnesty vote. There you just need to promote "they have become what they came they set forth to fight" rhetoric. It will mean a lot to a tea partier WHERE the Republican candidate is getting his money for because they really are kind of anti crony capitalist. So play the "elite crony" card and the tea partier will turn against the Republican especially because there's nothing of substance that the Politician can turn to (except gay marriage) even though now they have been in office four years.

Talk about betrayal. Perhaps bring up the "Scorpion". Yeah a for a lot of these tea partiers this was their first time in politics but for a lot of them, this was their last. To them it was, okay, we will try this ONE LAST TIME, we will trust the REPUBLICIANS just this last time. They really now that that whole "fool me once quote to heart so emphasizng how it's "politics as usual" with these guys will have quite an effect.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:38 PM
45. I meant to say they have really taken the whole "betray me once... thing to heart.

All you have to do is remind them that Boehner betrayed them on immigration and "tea party Republican" betrayed them by behaving the same as the politicians they claimed they were in Olympia to change. You claimed you wanted to go to Olympia to change it, but instead it changed you. You have no idea the power such words would have on a tea partier.

Demokid you have no idea how it feels to be betrayed. Remind the Tea Party of their betrayal at the hands of the Republican elite at the very least they will stay home like they did in 2012.

But I am seeing more a 2006 effect where the focus nationally is going to be on the hatred of the Republican House of Representives and their "crony capitalism". Focus on "crony capitalist" issues and you will win.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:50 PM
46. Remember the Tea Party is middle class and working class. Talking about the Republican Elite smoking cigars with the President of the UW on that infamous yacht (yes they have a tax funded yacht for the UW Pres) that will drive them away from the Republican Establishment. Remind them thst in the end all thse Senators cared about were their titles and not changing government for the better.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 02:54 PM
47. Okay if I was a Democrat this would be the speech would use...

First I want to do something that might seem unusual in this day and age. I want to complement my opinion.


Your decisive vote on Marrage equality a few years back took much courage. I want to thank you for the integrity you showed by being the decisive vote on this very important issue of concious.

I guess that is what made me even so much more disappointed in how after showing such courage on the issue of maarriage equality, after seeing such promise, to then see you fall back and put the interests of outside donors ahead of the needs of our district.

HERE (hold up a bunch of paper) I have the list in my hands 1000 from Wal Mart, 1000 ffom Pfizier, and it goes on and on. This from someone who said four years ago, oh, I am going to be different. I am going fight crony politics if you would just vote for me. SO we elect you and what happen. YOU BECOME CRONY POLITICS. Either Olympia has changed you whereas you said you were going to change it or you were lying to us from day one...Which ONE IS IT? Huh. Why have you put these crony intestests beyond the interests of the people who put their faith in you four years ago. It's this betrayal of trust that must not be rewarded (applase even suprisingingly by some of those who had previously supported the Senator).

Now, I don't have problem with out of district donors. I have a few myself. But I would never, never put them ahead of the interests of my constitents nor would I pretend not to take money from such groups when I do!

You can't get beyond the fact that he was never when he came to us in the heated days of the Tea Party really was the outside reformer he pretended to be. He took us for fools! Well, there's a saying Fool us once Shame on you. Attempt to fool us twice and see yourself looking for a job outside of politics!

Cheers again! This time almost everyone except the most diehard Republican.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:14 PM
48. First I want to do something that might seem unusual in this day and age. I want to complement my opinion.

Sic Opponent!

It makes you look "fairminded" and it reminds the other side of how he had betrayed them.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:16 PM
49. If I remember right, and I usually do, these races Despite Tea Party support went down to the wire. Now, without that support, perhaps with their active opposition, they don't have a chance.

Hey Dems, these seats are just waiting there for you. If you don't take them, then there's something wrong with you. Usually I see this the other way around where Republicans protect Democrat Seats, but perhaps in this cause they LIKE having the Bois of Olympia around. After all it does give all their Leftist public policy a "bipartisan" feel to it.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:36 PM
50. If I remember right, and I usually do, these races Despite Tea Party support went down to the wire. Now, without that support, perhaps with their active opposition, they don't have a chance.

Hey Dems, these seats are just waiting there for you. If you don't take them, then there's something wrong with you. Usually I see this the other way around where Republicans protect Democrat Seats, but perhaps in this cause they LIKE having the Bois of Olympia around. After all it does give all their Leftist public policy a "bipartisan" feel to it.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:37 PM
51. When that "Big tent" included Mike Lowry then I knew that the Republican Party has been corrupted.

The Republican party has for as long as I have been involved in it has always attempted to be the "Party That Believes Nothing".

Forgive me for not wantting to risk harm, lost of business, or a very real possibility of an audit for nothing!


I am warning my friends about that DFan post. Gratnted most of then are the 25-50 dollar type but do they really want to be targeted for giving that money. Are these republicans REALLY worth it given the knowledge that they never have and never will have our backs.

Politics, with those Democrats out there is really dangerous. I have seen people harmed. I have seen homes vandalized. So, that's the real cost to our participation. That's just how things are.

So, are the Republicans worth going through all that?

My response would be NO! Don't stick out your neck for people who will throw you under the bus almost the very moment you help elect them.

Powerful video: Now that I won the election, I admit I was lying throughout it. Don't expect me to perform the way I promoted myself as performing during the campaign.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 03:51 PM
52. Really all I think it would take is for Demokid to have one of his supporters shout "You LIE" at the "tea Party" Senators. Because their whole political career is based on the lie that they were reformers when they weren't.

Keep reminding the Tea Party how the Republicans betrayed them and they won't lift a finger to help these establishement republicans. Hell they might help bring them down!

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 04:01 PM
53. "37. The definitive description of today's Democrat:"

Don't believe everything you read on the internets, Rags; just sayin'. I took that comment as a spoof of Steve's repeated citation of PDC data to show how he was shocked! shocked! that donors gave to Republicans as well as Democrats.

While Steve's shtick gets old in other threads, it really works well here. The entire premise of this post is that liberals and Democrats have no legitimate place in our political system; even our most basic exercise of our civic rights is basis for criticism. Steve's repeated citation of teabaggery as the only legitimate viewpoint echoes Adam's premise nicely.

Posted by: tensor on January 24, 2014 07:31 PM
54. The truth is that for the most part Olympia tends to run on auto pilot. Putting Republicans into Senate Chairmanships after they won the Senate in 1994 didn't really change what came out of Senate Committees in Olympia in 1995 be it on education or healthcare. (and probably a score of other issues, they were just the ones I were following).

For people who want to see policy change forget seeing it from Republicans. Now for people who want to get Republicans elected so they can get a job with the perks of public office for themselves (like with Adam) yeah, I see why he cares.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 07:43 PM
55. tensor, Dfan's statements didn't really surprise me. After all isn't that precisely what you did to people who signed the referedum against gay marriage. And what you did to contributors to that cause.

And every campaign I have ever been involved in I have seen violence committed against campaign supporters, by your side, or even by the Republican Left.

Remember all the Romney signs that were burned on people's lawns!

So, no my only point is that it's not worth going through all of that with the best cause coming from it is electing someone who is going to throw you under the bus the very moment he gets elected. Think I am exaggerating. That quote by Scott Brown was a mere 24 hours after winning a campaign based upon him clearly and strongly opposing Obamacare. But in a way, it shouldn't be surprising (as should little of this really) as campaign promises (at least when it comes from Republicans) have never been worth the paper they have been writen on. But rarely have I seen a politician admit as much so quickly.

Um that whole oppositing Obamacare stuff, you weren't taking me seriously were you, you knew I was saying what I thought I had to in order to get elected.

Scott Brown was one of the first candidates to be supported by the tea party. Only to once after getting elected becoming a strong Obamacare proponent. The Tea Party also helped McCain get relected. So no, I was not much a fan of them back in 2010. Thought them too Naive.

But I think they have finally caught up to me and realize that if we are going to have any chance we must first make the Republicans go the way of the Whigs. The Republican Party is not a true opposition party.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 07:58 PM
56. Remember that old show WKRP about the radio station and remember "the big guy" Mr Carlson. They would act in a way to make him think he was in charge but really the decision making happened elsewhere.

That's how it is with our Republicans in the Legislature. They are "Mr. Carlson".

And in the end that is how they like it for they aren't in the Legislature to actually anything. They like the title. They like the prestige they could never obtain in the "real world" at least not at their age.

To them it is only about the title. Got to give the devils their due. Unlike the Republicans most Democrats actually are in Olympia to do stuff, they are there because the believe in what they are doing, not merely for the title like it is with the Republicans. Unfortunately for us it is bad evil, destructive stuff, but still.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 08:24 PM
57. @35: I hope that fellow Democrats join me in this ZERO Tolerance for Republican Donors. We can shame them just like we did in the civil rights movement. We can't allow them to poison our society with their money. It is right for them to be harrassed for helping the forces of hate.

I wouldn't agree with doing it in practice, but as tensor said, Steve-o certainly started the discussion by suggesting that the donor list should be used for anything but oversight and transparency.

Sunlight is great, but ANY harassment -- such as from a delusional right-wing loon that thinks he is anointed by God -- defeats the purpose.

Posted by: demo kid on January 24, 2014 09:16 PM
58. @40, 41, 42, etc. ad infinitum: Dear lord. I never thought I would say this, but I prefer Rags' bloviations to these completely random and pointless rantings by a complete wackjob. This is just like watching someone have a nervous breakdown and collapse in on himself like some type of right-wing black hole.

Can whatever moderator exists here please ban this loser? It seems like he's simply spamming (u)SP to whore out his own little website.

Posted by: demo kid on January 24, 2014 09:18 PM
59. I just want people to read the PDCS to find out who these people "true constitents" are. These people came to us as "reformers" in 2010 but they turned out to be anuything but. Reading these people's PDCs is a much better predictor on how they might behave if re-elected then what they might say when in "campaign mode". Politicians tend to lie. I know people understand that when you say it in general but somehow they always think their politician is the exception.

It is DFan who says these PDCs should be used to harass people. And really no surprise there. That's what you people did during that anti gay marriage referendum. Thats common knowledge.

Your side has always harrassed your opposition. Just par for the course. Nothing new there. Remember all the Romney signs you burned. Well documented. You are a bunch of psychos.

And yeah, if it was worth all the effort I would fight you. But Romney wasn't worth it to me to have my house vandalized by having his sign up on my lawn or my car have its windows smashed in because I have a Romney bumpersticker. He isn't worth sticking my neck out.

For I knew he would throw me under the bus the minute he got elected. Actually if I remember right he was throwing me under the bus during the election. It was like he didn't want to win. Always agreeing with Obama on everything. Just like McCain before him.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 09:47 PM
60. "55. tensor, Dfan's statements didn't really surprise me. After all isn't that precisely what you did to people who signed the referedum against gay marriage. And what you did to contributors to that cause."

WTF are you even talking about?

"And every campaign I have ever been involved in I have seen violence committed against campaign supporters, by your side, or even by the Republican Left."

We pay taxes to create and maintain these things called "police" and "courts", which is where you should turn if someone uses, or threatens to use, violence against your peaceful expression of political views. Of course, our police and courts tend to require this other little thing, called "evidence," and that's where it always goes sour for you, isn't it?

Posted by: tensor on January 24, 2014 10:01 PM
61. Oh, please stop acting so innocent. When it is you who control the courts through your liberal judges we really have no recourse do we.

Sure our candidate should stand up for us on our behalf, but... we are talkng Republicans here or haven't you been paying attention. They don't stand up for "their" people ever. They just turn around and ask "what do you mean by WE kemosabe.

So, yeah. when your Left Wing Hit Goons come after these Republican Politicians this year, my response ... what to you mean by We, Kemosabe.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/09/virginia-romney-supporters-terrorized-with-sign-vandalism-human-excrement-graphic-video/

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 10:09 PM
62. After winning an election the standard mode for a Republican politician to be in is reconcilation mode not seeking justice mode. And if the candidate lost well then the candidate doesn't have any power to do anything about it.

So, yeah they throw us under the bus.

Republicans are their own level of disgusting aren't they. You and your leaders would defend your own people with your very last ounce of strength. Not our "leaders".

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/25/vandals-torch-72-year-old-veterans-romney-signs-flags-absolutely-despicable/

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 10:17 PM
63. Republicans never hold their opposition accountable when they win. They think it ungentlemanly or whatever.

These people should have gone to jail and Bush shoulld have started wide spread investiagations regarding what happened in the Clinton years.

But Bush felt what was in the past is in the past. Republican Politicians when they win call it "Moving forward not looking back."

So, basically after fighting for them with so much personal cost to ourselves...they throw us under the bus...Time for Reconciliation.

What crap. But that's what happens. So why have their back when in the end they don;t have ours.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/trashingthewhitehouse.htm

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 10:22 PM
64. "Republicans never hold their opposition accountable when they win. They think it ungentlemanly or whatever."

I concur with the most recent comment and the statement above. Huckabee's speech was not good enough to drive the points home with the low information voters, because the leftwing media got in the way - as he should have known they would. If he wants to get any traction, he'll have to keep beating that drum on his TV show (which may be dozens of times) until his point incriminates the left and shows them to have double standards and be liars. Do I think he will ? Probably not, even if he decides to run for POTUS. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

Chris Christie might be better at dealing with the leftwing media - if he gets through these investigations, he might be the second coming of an effective politician with an R in front of his name - like a Bill Clinton, who for all of his scummy qualities was a fairly effective domestic (not Foreign policy) president.

Posted by: KDS on January 24, 2014 10:55 PM
65. What if it is the police doing the violence. Yeah, I have heard pro-union cops do as much. And especially when you get into small towns in this state you really get into some "Boss Hogg" territory. Anyone who is supporting anyone against the "establishment" is going to pay big time.

And I won't even go into what happens if you support the "wrong" candidate in school board races. Better not have children in that district if you do.

So yeah, you are a bunch of goons. Anyone who has ever been involved in a campaign knows that.

Look I am not saying people shouldn't get involved. But be very sure it is someone worth paying the price for. Not a Scott Brown, John McCain, or the bois in Olympia.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 10:57 PM
66. KDS you have bought the lies of the Left. You do the movement no good.

Get the hell out of politics.

Clinton a good President? You must be in High School and not remember the time. I remember it. I remember it like it was yesterday.

We should have let Gore win. Then we could have blamed him for the weakened state of our oountry that lead to 9-11. By 2004 the nation would be demanding a TRUE CONSERVE to save our country.

But instead we got Bush, who furhter a lot of the policies of the Clnton admninstation and even started some of the policies we now complain about regarding Obama.

Say it with me KDS, READ MY LIPS NO MORE RINOS!

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 11:04 PM
67. Chris Christie?

Fugheddaboudit!

The Press is just promoting him right now because they know at the end his Tony Soprano act won't play well outside of the Jersey Shore.

Remember they set up Romney the same way too. They were all for him UNTIL he won the Primary.

You are a tool of the Left and you don't even realize it KDS. You make me sick.

Posted by: Steve on January 24, 2014 11:20 PM
68. But instead we got Bush, who furhter a lot of the policies of the Clnton admninstation and even started some of the policies we now complain about regarding Obama.

Say it with me KDS, READ MY LIPS NO MORE RINOS!

Posted by Steve at January 24, 2014 11:04 PM

You are living in an imaginary world if you believe that RINO's will disappear and the Tea Party will wipe them off the face of the earth AND the leftwingnuts are dreaming if they think the Tea Party will become irrelevant and disappear. BOTH factions need each other to circle the wagons against the left OR ELSE the DEMOCRATS and the GOP will be on the brink of extinction.

You are the one playing into the media trying to split the Tea Party and establishment GOP. If and when the Tea Party (conservatives) have a clear majority, the dynamics of the GOP or whatever they rename themselves will be different, but fight now, there is no majority yet. The remake of the GOP will take time, so roll with it and stop shooting yourself in the foot. Play the hand the GOP was dealt, but cheer on the Tea Party to take down Schmuck Schumer and the left who try to marginalize them. The left is out to divide and conquer the GOP - the war is on !! Do you want another Democrat to succeed Obama as president ? You will get that wish if you don't vote for the GOP candidate, whoever they are. NEWSFLASH - There will be no other alternative !

Posted by: KDS on January 25, 2014 09:02 AM
69. You lack perspective on this.

We have to first destroy the Republican Establishment. Otherwise we can't even think about the Democrats.

You have played into the Republican "hate game". I saw where it led in the 1990s (Obama).

I frankly hope Hillary takes it in 2016 given the fact that we probably won't be able to find a canddate by then. If a RINO wins in 2016 that will just ensure that someone EVEN WORSE will win in 2020. Never forget Bush led to Obama. That's not by chance. RINOS are our first enemy. If it's between them in power or Democrats in power, I perfer the Democrats.

If Gore had won in 2000 perhaps we would be in a much stronger position by now.

I think the biggest thing about RINOS is they give a faux "bipartisan" tint to radical Leftist politics. They make US own it.

Oh, it must be okay. It's Bypartisan. I can't think of the number of times I have heard that.

At least with the Democrats in control when they pass through crap legislation, it's THEIR crap legislation.

I think you are going to feel differently in a few months when Republicans betray us on Amnesty. Sure a Democratic Congress would have voted the same way but when they would have done it the bill would not be "ours".

Well "ours" no more. I haven't said "we" when it comes to Republicans in years.

Stop seeing politics as a sports game. If you want to root for a "team" root for the Seahawks.

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 09:21 AM
70. "Play the hand the GOP was dealt,".

You are an idiot.

They like it ths way.

They aranged it to be this way.

They depend on your hate.

Well if you want to hate, go to a wrestling match and pick the "villian" and boo him all you want.

You harm the conservative movement in so many ways and you don't even realize it.

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 09:25 AM
71. "The left is out to divide and conquer the GOP "

The Left NEEDS the GOP. I believe Demokid an Tensor at least realizes that.

The GOP provides them protection against "We the People".

No the GOP must go. We might have hit the point of no return already but if this country is to be saved firt the GOP must go the way of the Whigs.

Any help you give to the Establishment Republicans you are actually damaging your supposed cause worse than anything else you can do.

Start listening to Steve Deace. He is your only hope.

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 09:42 AM
73. Steve, you're repetitive, you're boring, and you're killing these threads. Stop talking. I doubt anybody reads all of these long comments from you, they're useless.

Posted by: Steve_you're_boring on January 25, 2014 10:06 AM
74. We aren't going to win unless we have a true opposition party. The Republicans are not a true opposition party. Can you imagine a Democrat House of Representatives passing through the conservative agenda? But we are about to see a key component of the agenda of the Left pass through a Republican House (Amnesty).

So no, Republicans are not the opposition. They are the co-conspirators.

There's an urgency here that you aren't really getting. Look if it was still like 1993 then you could be forgiven for saying "if we take the House...if we take the Senate...if we take the White House... but we have BEEN THERE DONE THAT.

Look both the Senate and the House of Representatives were led by Republicans in both the 109t and the 110th Congresses while Bush was President. Heck the majority of Supreme Court Justices back then as well as now REPUBLICAN APPOIINTEES.

So, we have gotten everythng the GOP claims they needed, and what happened - THINGS GOT WORSE.

I do think you must be insane. It has been proven that Republicans are not the answer. if the Last 20 years have proven anything (and particualarly that time between 2003-2008 where Republicans controled everything) it's that Republicans are not the answer.

Look it may be too late anyway. And in that case why even care about the GOP if we are to the point of Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.

But if, if there's even a chance we must defeat the GOP. The time has passed for us to wait until "we"(there's that "we" again) get this, or get that. Especially again when it has been proven so ineffective when we actually do get what they tell us "we" need.

Can't allow ourselves to buy their lies again. Not enough time left. Either the GOP goes or this country goes - and then we can worry about the Democrats.

Question, why did we waste our time on the 40ners last week. Why didn't we go up against Denver and just bypass the 49ners.

Stupid question, right? The 49ners had to be defeated before we could even think of going up against Denver.

We must defeat the Establishment Republicans before we can even think about the Democrats.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/12/16/mark-levin-republicans-are-not-going-to-repeal-obamacare-even-if-they-control-everything/

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 10:07 AM
75. " Ryan Loskarn, a former aide to Sen. Lamar Alexander, was found dead in his parents' Maryland home, just weeks after his arrest on child pornography charges."

SEE, here's another way RINOS harm us. Do you think it is going to matter to the Press that for most conservatives Lamar Alexander was seen as a leading RINO turncoat. No they are going to go Alexander=Republican=Conservative all conservatives are Pedos.

Where the truth is exactly the opposite. When you see such scandals come from Republican ranks, 9 times out of ten (if not greater) it comes from the Ranks of RINOS. I mean Bundy was a ROCKERFELLOW Republican but to the Press out there Evans=Republican=Conservative all conservatives are Serial Killers.

The "lesser" of two evils is still evil. And worse still it becomes YOUR EVIL. You become identified with it. You might have held your nose, but when it all comes down you get tainted by the smell all the same!

So many times when I have been faced with a vote between a RINO and a Leftist Democrat I have voted for the Leftst Democrat. Because at the end of the day the RINO can do more damage from within than the Leftist Democrat could ever hope in his wildiest dreams of doing.

Just a case in point. One among so many. Remember all those scandals in 2006 with those Congressmen. You can sceam "it's not fair" or "I never liked him just held my nose" all you want and it isn't going to change one thing.

When you embrace evil, lesser it may or may not be, it becomes your evil. Again, when you see this kind of stuff happening most of the time it is happening to a RINO but that doesn't matter. As long as you identify with the Republicans you get tarnished by it.

http://rinosandrats.com/2011/08/lamar-alexander-rino/

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 10:41 AM
76. RINOs have poor character. And when you have poor character people of even worse character tend to be attracted to you. And when you have poor character you lack the discernment skills, the gut feeling as it were, to weed out these people.

All you see is their "good ideas"

By the way, what was that guys nane, the guy who worked for Maleng? Maleng was a RINO too.

When will you realize that these aren't only bad politicians but they really are bad people and they attract worse people around them.

People of good character attract people of good character and when they encounter a person of bad character, while they might not be able to put their finger upon why they feel the way they do, they often talk about their "gut" but they do seem to have the discerment to somehow recognize them and keep people of such bad character away from them.

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 10:53 AM
77. Gosh, when I said this was going to be 2006 I didn't know how right I was. I wonder if this is only the first shoe to drop. Perhaps there's a ring of Pedos among the ranks of RINO staff in the Senate.

Makes me wonder about McCain's Staff!

Lesser of two evils is still evil and when you embrace it, lesser as it may or may not be it becomes YOUR evil.

It's time for Conservatives to tell the Republican Party - what do you mean by "we". As long as we tie ourselves to this evil we will lose!

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 11:02 AM
78. Larry Corrigan. Yeah, that's what his name was.

Maleng was a big time RINO.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2003628280_corrigan21m.html

Posted by: Steve on January 25, 2014 11:10 AM
79. Rich people give money to liberal groups! Liberal groups clump together! Who wudda thunk? With blog journalism like this, who needs traditional newspapers?

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Posted by: Issac Maez on January 25, 2014 09:15 PM
81. Steve, Please answer these questions;
- What do you suggest happens to the "RINOS" ?
- Do you want a third party ?
- How does someone other than a Democrat get elected president in 2016 ?

Stop shooting off your ego-based rhetoric and answer the questions. You are deliberately misunderstanding my premise.
I give you credit if you can answer the above 3 questions with reasonable answers. Then I will believe you are capable of something other than chasing your tail with your silly little monologue. You have said some things that are true, but you seem incapable of posing any viable solutions.

Right now, you are becoming a friend of the Democrats and adding to their talking points. Way to go, dude - hey, get a grip ! Demo squid and Mike BS and the other leftists should be hi-fiving you after reading your divisive rhetoric.

Posted by: KDS on January 25, 2014 09:46 PM
82. Steve, Please answer these questions;
- What do you suggest happens to the "RINOS" ?
- Do you want a third party ?
- How does someone other than a Democrat get elected president in 2016 ?

Stop shooting off your ego-based rhetoric and answer the questions. You are deliberately misunderstanding my premise.
I give you credit if you can answer the above 3 questions with reasonable answers. Then I will believe you are capable of something other than chasing your tail with your silly little monologue. You have said some things that are true, but you seem incapable of posing any viable solutions.

Right now, you are becoming a friend of the Democrats and adding to their talking points. Way to go, dude - hey, get a grip ! Demo squid and Mike BS and the other leftists should be hi-fiving you after reading your divisive rhetoric.

Posted by: KDS on January 25, 2014 09:46 PM
83. The problem with Steve Deace is that he cannot make a true conservative (i.e. Ted Cruz - who I like) be the GOP nominee for President. He knows that too. Mark Levin is intelligent, but his PR needs work and Limbaugh is too polarizing. Dennis Prager is the best and the wisest talk show host I have heard. Face it, the only way the GOP can win elections is to keep the big tent going - as Ronald Reagan suggested over 30 years ago. The dynamics have changed, but the principles remain constant.

Steve - the difference between you and me is that I respect independents and you don't ! If you want a winner, you have to consider more than 28% of the voters (40% of the voters are independent). So, what is your plan about getting rid of the RINO's - enlighten us. BTW, you are as mathematically challenged as tensor and demo squid.

John McCain is a RINO , so is Lindsey Grahamnesty, as is John Boehner. Boehner and McConnell - GOP leaders of the House and Senate must go ! They are way out of touch with conservatives and most of America. If they don't get dumped, the 2014 elections will not produce much change,which would be nauseating.

Posted by: KDS on January 25, 2014 10:02 PM
84. @83: Steve - the difference between you and me is that I respect independents and you don't ! If you want a winner, you have to consider more than 28% of the voters (40% of the voters are independent). So, what is your plan about getting rid of the RINO's - enlighten us. BTW, you are as mathematically challenged as tensor and demo squid.

I'd take offense at the "mathematically challenged" comment, since it's clearly unfounded -- but surprisingly I agree with (most of) what you are saying in the first and second paragraphs. Never thought I'd see the day when that'd happen.

Apparently, this guy wants 20% of the country to have absolute authority over the rest. He'd might as well move to some dictatorship with a "president-for-life" if that is his perspective on politics...

Posted by: demo kid on January 25, 2014 11:48 PM
85. @84 - I concur with your last paragraph. Never thought I would see the day either.

Posted by: KDS on January 26, 2014 08:28 AM
86. @84 - I concur with your last paragraph. Never thought I would see the day either.

Posted by: KDS on January 26, 2014 08:31 AM
87. Do you want a third party ?


No, I want a second Party.

The Republicans aren't a true opposition party.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 10:09 AM
88. How does someone other than a Democrat get elected president in 2016 ?

It doesn't happen. I have already written 2016 off. But if we don't start now, how does someone other than a Democrat get elected president in 2020.

It's interesting. The Tea party has been called shortsightened, and indeed, there's an urgency to it. Since we see our destruction as close at hand we really don't care how this will effect the GOP in 2050.

But by the same token, still we don't see things by election by election. We need to STOP and TURN AROUND, the direction our country is going. The Republicans will continue the detructively policies of the last 20 years. In some areas slower than the Democrats, in others, they might even go faster.

So every year that we lack an opposition party is another opportunity given up to the Democrats or the Republicans which at this point is basically the same thing (see if you disagree with me when they pass Amnesty later this year). Yes, we don't have time to play these old games given where they have brought us. This isn't about the Republican Party. This is about the Republic.

I kind of hope that a Democrat victory in 2016 might break the pattern which we have been stuck in for so long. The frog must jump and the Republican Party has been preventing that from happening.

I also realize that it might be too late regardless of what we do. We might have already hit that point of no return. In that case we are just delaying the inevitable. If our country is to be destroyed regardless, let the Democrats do it.

Our forefathers had on their covered wagons "the west or bust". Well that's were we are at right now. Either we form a real opposition party or Republican/Democrat it ends up the same. Rearranging chairs on the Titanic.

What's your interst in having the GOP win? I mean since it won't result in much if any policy change and even worse it will make leftist public policy become "bipartisan" giving it a credibility it doesn't deserve? Bragging Rights?

Look, if you want to root for a team, choose the Seahawks. If you want to make a difference we need to start a SECOND party, a party that actually opposes the Left before it's too late, realizing that indeed it might be too late.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 10:27 AM
89. Demo squid and Mike BS and the other leftists should be hi-fiving you after reading your divisive rhetoric.

Absolutely. But RINOS often use their "collegues" across the aisle to defeat Conservative candidiates. Remember Sid Morrison.

So, I decided to return the favor. In fact if the Democrats don't run solid candidates against the "tea Party Senators" this year I bet they are purposely protecting them.

Because if you get involved in politics in anything but a surface level you will realize that it's not so much Republican vs Democrat but Insider vs Outsider. The "Tea Party" Senators despite their Republican title has done much to assist the Democrats in the Last four years. In fact they couldn't have gotten gay marriage passed without them.

So, yeah, I am just asking for a SECOND PARTY! The Republicans need to go the way of the Whigs.


I care about the future of the Republic, all you seem to care about is the future of the Republican party. Well, you might care about the Republican party, but the Republican party doesn't give a damn about you.


And if you need a social outlet, a team to root for, choose the Seahawks. Or start watching pro-wrestling.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 10:40 AM
90. Look at what the Republican Party has turned you into. They have convinced you that Child Porn, that Murder are "Lesser Evils".

Is the Republican Party worth your very soul. The GOP has taken from you the very core of your being. What have you received in return?

Now Adam he was looking for a job in government so I get it with him.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 10:45 AM
91. KDS yuu answer now a question of mine.

You are in a car that is hanging ever so delicately from a cliff. I mean the front edge of the front tires are like slightly dangling over.

So, what do you do?

A) With your gear in drive, gently, ever so gently, slowly press down your gas pedal, like just an inch or less.

B) With your gear in drive, slam on your gas pedal as hard and firm as possible. Petal to the metal.


So, what do you do?

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 10:56 AM
92. Demo squid and Mike BS and the other leftists should be hi-fiving you after reading your divisive rhetoric.

Yet they aren't.


Wonder why that is?

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 11:13 AM
93. Actually considering the situation we are in 2016 IS long term thinking.

We need real opposition and real opposition now. And the longer it takes for that to happen the less of a chance we have, that is if we haven't hit the point of no return already.

But the one thing that the last 20 years should have taught is it is this, the Republicans are part of the Problem. They need to go the way of the Whigs as soon as possible. Only then can we start thinking about stuff like 2016. (but like I said I have already written 2016 off. I don't think it is going to be Hillary but after what the Republicans are going to do this year it won't be a Republican).

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 11:21 AM
94. If you want a winner

Root for the Seahawks!

Damn you still see this as a sporting match don't you?

You couldn't care what these people do once elected. Hell they can vote as Leftist as they want.

Winning isn't getting elected. Winning is if the people you get elected change our state, change our country for the better. If the people you get elected still promote the agenda of the Left (as we are about to see with Amnesty) you still LOSE!


You are here for bragging rights. Adam is here for a government job. That's why you two want to save the Republican Party, while I want to save the Republic.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/01/28/what-does-the-death-of-the-gop-mean-for-you/

Yeah, 2016, what the hell 2016, you think we even have time left to think about 2016?


If you need a Team to root for, root for the Seahawks. They will never stab you in the back. They will never betray you to the other side.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:14 PM
95. Right now, you are becoming a friend of the Democrats

Actually you and Demo Kid seem to be getting along quite well at this moment.

That should make you think.

Yeah, why aren't they hi-fiving me?

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:17 PM
96. 85. @84 - I concur with you

Yep, you accused me of "joining the D Team (still thinking this as a sport) but in the end it seems like you actually are the one who found a friend across the aisle.

Strange huh?

Not really. Democrat, Republican two sides of the same coin.

Time for new coin. Time for a Second Party!

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:25 PM
97. Republicans and Democrats same coin.

Heads they win tails you lose.

We need a new coin and we don't have the time to thing about "long term" stuff like 2016. We are in a desperate situation now.

We must have a REAL OPPOSITION party arise from the ashes of the Republican Party. We must have a SECOND political party before its too late!

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:30 PM
98. "WE" WON

From 2003 to 2007 Republicans had the House of Representivies, they Had the Senate. They had the White House. They even had the majority of the Supreme Court be Republican appointees.

So, don't you DARE talk to me about winning!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/12/limbaugh_if_the_gop_controlled_everything_they_still_wouldnt_repeal_obamacare.html

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:35 PM
99. What do you mean by "we", Kemosabe?

No first we must destroy the Republican Party. Only then can we even think about going after the Democrats.

You and I have a different definition of winning. Getting your person elected only to have that person enact Leftist public Policy is actually a lost in my book. It makes the policy seem less extreme and more "bipartisan".

And then when you have the person you elected get messed up in some Child Porn ring, yeah, this is much better than having the evil Democrat win isn't it.

Lesser of two evils is still evil and it becomes YOUR evil.

Stop supporting evil!

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 12:52 PM
100. Someone asked Rush, why weren't the Tea Party Effective in 2012.

And he pointed out they were effective.

They effectively stayed home against people who betrayed them.


So, do I want to give it all to the D's. Well it's not like they don't get what they want anyway. Despite a Republican House they are going to get Amnesty. Hell, it was a "Republican" Supreme Court justice who said Obamacare was Constitutional.

So the REAL question is if America is to be destroyed anyway, which party do you want to do it?

Of course you don't want to see America destroyed but minus a real opposition party that's not an option.

It really is Tea Party or Bust. We see it as all or nothing. The Fight isn't about the Future of the Republican Party. We don't care about the Republican Party. We care about the Republic!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/01/24/if_the_tea_party_is_so_powerful_what_happened_in_2012

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 01:15 PM
101. The Tea Party Effectively proved in 2012 how successful the Republican Party is without it.

Now, perhaps when the GOP passes Amnesty so many Hispanics are going to just rush to the Republican Party as a result they won't need us.

Okay, I doubt it, but we shall see.


What you aren't seeing is that we aren't into "winning for winning sake". We are into winning to save this Republic. If we continue to "win" like we did the first part of this Century that's not winning. It's BECAUSE of Bush that Obama got elected. Just like it was because of his father we got Clinton. There will always be another Clinton, another Obama, out there. And if we continue to allow RINOS in power then it will be our next RINO that will lead us to our next Clinton/Obama.

I fear having a RINO win in 2016 becausee I feel the Liberal Democrat that always has seemed to arise from that.

I can go into the whole frog thing and such and someday I will.

By the way, I don't really fear a RINO winning in 2016. This whole amnesty vote will spell the end of the Republican Party. That's just the way it will be. I just hope there's still time left to save this formally great Republic of ours. There's a very real possibility that the Amnesty vote might not only spell the end of the Republican party but the Republic as well.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 01:46 PM
102. This is What the GOP Establishment Thinks of You

By: Daniel Horowitz

http://www.redstate.com/2014/01/26/this-is-what-the-gop-establishment-thinks-of-you/


It is very easy to avert our eyes from the painful reality that is confronting us within the Republican Party. We would all love to cheer on a GOP victory in the midterm elections, win back the Senate, and live happily ever after. But as Republicans gear up for the week of amnesty, they have made it clear that the entire purpose of a Republican majority is to push the most important priority of the Democrat Party.

This is why we need to change the party in the primaries.

GOP leadership is now fully aware of our growing effort to elect Republicans who believe in the party platform, and according to the Wall Street Journal, they will time their amnesty bills accordingly:

"House leaders hope to bring legislation to the floor as early as April, the people close to the process said, after the deadline has passed in many states for challengers to file paperwork needed to run for Congress. Republican leaders hope that would diminish chances that a lawmaker's support for immigration bills winds up sparking a primary-election fight."

So this is what the party leaders think of the people who rebuilt the party since 2010 after it was destroyed during the Bush years.

There is only one obvious response to this malevolent attitude on the part of party leadership. If they want to pass amnesty after the primaries under the pretense that we will already be on the plantation, we must commit to withholding support from any amnesty supporter even in a general election.

For years, I've always felt that no matter how low the GOP has sunk it was still worth voting for any Republican in a general election.

Whenever my dad would suggest that we stay home in the general, I would always have something to point to - some horrible policy that would evolve from Democrat control of government unless Republicans remained in power. But that time has passed.

What will happen if the Democrats are in charge? We already have Obamacare, and Republicans have committed to preserving it. We already have record debt, and Republicans have committed to raising the debt ceiling. And now Republicans are pushing the most destructive Democrat policy of all - perennial open borders, a permanent Democrat majority, and the ballooning of the welfare state.


This pending amnesty push, which will also double our record low-skilled legal immigration, will change our economy and society forever. There is no way we could overcome the electoral juggernaut engendered by open borders. At some point we need to draw a line in the sand and fight back against this cynical ploy. If the undocumented Democrats in our party wish to pass amnesty after the primaries, we should not grant them amnesty in the general election.


What's the worst that can happen? A Democrat majority?


That's exactly where we are headed if we don't fight this maniacal push for immigration deform.
Game on.


Update: We all strongly believe in the rationale for a viable second party. We can't function with an oligarchy. That is why we must all spend the next 4-7 months fully engaged in the primaries. This is our party and it's time to take it back.

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 03:15 PM
103. 2016, you really think we have until 2016....?

So, yeah forgive me for being shortsighted but the threats to our Republic are much more immediate

Posted by: Steve on January 26, 2014 03:21 PM
104. I concur with you

:Yep, you accused me of "joining the D Team (still thinking this as a sport) but in the end it seems like you actually are the one who found a friend across the aisle."

I agreed because demokid could also see that you are mathematically challenged believing that less than 30% of American would vote for the Tea Party - if separated from the Republican establishment - nothing else.

"Strange huh?"

Are speaking of your logic - yep that is certainly strange.

"Not really. Democrat, Republican two sides of the same coin.
Time for new coin. Time for a Second Party!"

Posted by Steve at January 26, 2014 12:25 PM

Easier said than done. You sound like Michael Savage - There is some truth, but you approach it as if you are waiting for Godot. Also a second party translates into a victory for the Democrats. Do the freakin' math. If you want a change to transform the GOP to the conservative or constitutional party, that change can only take place incrementally - over several elections. You can blog your brains out, but that won't change the outcome. But, by all means keep blogging, but if you don't find a more coherent and populist argument, others will continue to ignore you. Remember, a majority of the independents must by off on a new conservative party for it to be viable.

You have wrested the marathon blogger title on SP from Rags - didn't think I would see that happen.

Posted by: KDS on January 26, 2014 09:36 PM
105. You missed the key point. It doesn't matter if Republicans control things because Leftist Policies still get passed.

So, yeah, give it to the Dems! I might not be able to save this country but damn am I going to participate in its destruction.

I also hope you got that it's not only me who think that way.


My pedophilies are better than yours isn't a campaign slogan that will win you any elections.

The Republican Party isn't worth my soul. Lesser of two evils is still evil and it becomes your evil.

Stop supporting evil.

All the Republican Party has ever offered me was hate, so I guess it's not surprising that's all I have left for them.

Posted by: Steve on January 27, 2014 09:10 AM
106. Want to hear a "conspiracy theory".

I believe that the one of the people on governor's campaign staff is a serial killer!

Tin foil talk huh?

Well I am talkng about a former governor Dan Evans. But yeah, it would have sounded like "tin foil" talk back then.

So, don't tell me that LaMar Alexander might have hired someont to "clean up the mess".

It's not like stuff like that hasn't happened before.

What is so scary is how easily people accept what is in newspapers as truth. The first time I heard "apparent suicide" I thought BS! He was going to testify in court. He could have released key names in the news media, in the Republican Senate staff, and perhaps even Senators themself.

Why DON'T you think LaMar Alexander might like Child Porn? Why is this beyond even bringing up?

There was a time when we expected our leaders to be better. There was a time when "appearance of improprity" was just as important as the impoprity themselves. Even if LaMar Alexander didn't know what was going on he should have. And LaMar should have the respect to resign. There was a day when people did do that. Took responsiblity for stuff that might not directly be their fault but since they are the leader the buck (and the blame) stopped there.

At the very least this proves that LaMar Alexander isn't a very accountable person, but I fear it indicates much more.


Shocked, he said, shocked. What was that scene in Casablanca, "There's gambling going on here".

It wouldn't supprise me of this child porn thing goes much deeper.

I am shocked, just shocked, LaMar Says. He is a modern day Caligula

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

Posted by: Steve on January 27, 2014 10:33 AM
107. Did your daddy beat you?

Did he beat you bad?

The republican Party was never the answer. It was always the co-conapirator.

In the end you loved a political party more than you loved your country. For that you should be condemned. In the end YOU became friends the Democrats.

Listen to this.

http://stevedeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/deace_hour3_012714.mp3

You need psychological help KDS!

Posted by: Steve on January 28, 2014 02:37 PM
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