January 15, 2014
Inslee's State of the State calls for $200 million, cites no source

Saying that "promises don't educate our children," Gov. Jay Inslee announced in his State of the State speech yesterday that he will pursue funding for a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) for public school teachers. The COLA will be funded with $200 million raised from eliminating tax preferences.

In his supplemental budget proposal released less than a month ago, Inslee chose not to include a teacher COLA - a "hold steady" budget he called it. What changed? According to Inslee, "I've had to rethink that approach. Or, to be candid, the Supreme Court has forced us all to look anew at funding our education system this year."

That's a curious way of putting it, considering the state Supreme Court's McCleary ruling, which requires ample, stable and uniform funding of public schools, isn't new. Inslee's pretty familiar with it; on the campaign trail in 2012, he said his plan to raise funds to meet the McCleary decision was to grow the economy (but of course, he didn't really mean that). He now says he's "smarter" than to believe what he says he believed before. Regardless, $200 million is hardly going to impress the justices.

And what tax exemptions does Inslee hope to end to raise the $200 million? He hasn't said yet. No doubt the oft-cited extracted fuel exemption, but what others? Some have speculated that Inslee likely already knew he would pursue a teacher COLA for his allies in the WEA but excluded it from his supplemental budget proposal so as not to reveal which exemptions he will target. In a short legislative session, the less time a targeted industry has to rally for their exemption, the harder it will be to fight back.

Posted by Adam Faber at January 15, 2014 05:59 PM | Email This
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1. I have not noticed that the kids coming out of our school system are any great scholars. Public educations seems to be "dumbing down" the kids versus educating them in how to get and keep a good, rewarding career job.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on January 15, 2014 06:40 PM
2. .
Adam Faber, you sad HACK.
"No doubt the oft-cited extracted fuel exemption,"

Often cited by you! Gawd, you are a slow witted HACK.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 15, 2014 07:21 PM
3. @1 Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on January 15, 2014 06:40 PM,

Public educations seems to be "dumbing down" the kids

So, having become educated without the benefit of the "Public", do tell us where you will go to actually find out whether your assumption is correct or not?

Where does one find out whether or not the education is better or worse and why?

Surely a 'privately' educated scholar like yourself has the intellectual fortitude and wherewithal to find out and let us know, no?

And while your at it, how much should the teachers who effectively teach the children to get and keep a good, rewarding career job be paid for their work?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 15, 2014 07:27 PM
4. "So, having become educated without the benefit of the "Public", do tell us where you will go to actually find out whether your assumption is correct or not?"

One look no further for the lamentable state of education than your silly scribbles.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 15, 2014 07:31 PM
5. From 3,

Well, when I ask a thirteen-year-old to add 14 and 4 in his head, and his answer is 22, it leads me to believe that there's a problem with education.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on January 15, 2014 07:35 PM
6. Another thing wrong with our education system is the belief that a college degree is a must in order to have a good life. We put too much emphasis on "getting a college degree" that there are shortages of skilled workers in such careers a pipe fitters and welders.

I know several young college grads with degrees in non-technical fields with massive student loans to repay. They're getting jobs in call centers, if they're lucky, with little chance of ever paying-off the debts owed. What's the point of hocking your life to get a college degree in order to get a job tethered to a phone in a call center, doing the same work that a bright tenth-grader could handle?

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on January 15, 2014 07:45 PM
7. How does that differ much from what our last Republican Governor did?

Look, it's easy to point out that we have a problem, but without a solution, then it is kind of pointless.

The truth is that his Republican "opponent" didn't explain clearly enough what he would do that would have been different. In fact his opponent seemed to go out of his way to sound just like him. So in the end between him and a carbon copy they choose him.

Until you find someone with the courage to differ from the current Governor stating the obvious isn't going to give you any brownie points.

Washington State REPUBLICAN governor wants more taxes

Yeah we get it. Democrats suck. The problem is SO DO YOU, and the Tea Party has figured that out.

Posted by: Steve on January 15, 2014 08:07 PM
8. @5,
Asking a single 13 yar old a single question and extrapolating a cause to a state wide system certainly does point out a problem with education and knowledge. There's no arguing with that.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 15, 2014 08:28 PM
9. "Some have speculated that Inslee likely already knew..."

Some have speculated Adam Faber's disastrous performance as McKenna's Policy Director was the primary reason Inslee won the election. Specifically, these totally un-named speculators speculated spectacularly it was Faber's naked preference for corporate greed over education funding which tanked McKenna:

"In a short legislative session, the less time a targeted industry has to rally for their exemption, the harder it will be to fight back."

Well, a few voters in a low-turnout election gave such businesses another Republican to buy, so defenders of in-earned special favors have that advantage.

Of course, if businesses lose the tax breaks for which they bought legislators in the first place, business might start to reconsider the value of buying legislators, and the WSGOP can barely win elections now. Little wonder a Republican Policy Director has identified this as a serious problem.

"Well, when I ask a thirteen-year-old to add 14 and 4 in his head, and his answer is 22, it leads me to believe that there's a problem with education."

MikeBoyScout, you could at least have kindly educated your fellow commenter here, that "22" is text-message shorthand Those Darned Kids Today use for the admittedly-lengthy phrase, "do your own pointless busy-work, geezer; do I look like a f----n' calculator to you, Gramps?" (I know because I speak to thirteen-year-olds about basic arithmetic on an almost hourly basis. Trust me on this.)

Posted by: tensor on January 16, 2014 05:09 AM
10. "Promises don't educate our children," - Hey G Jay, sounds like promises do just as well as government.

Posted by: Freedom on January 16, 2014 08:48 AM
11. Ok, to get a pet peeve of my off the table, Adam, here is a link to Inslee's actual address. Adam, you aren't alone, reporters also do this. If you are going to cite something and the source is available, reporters (and Adam), please include the reference to the source.

http://governor.wa.gov/news/speeches/2014SOSAddress.pdf

Now that that is out of the way. In another post on SP, I reiterated that I am not a fan of Inslee, from his address and things like Adam pointed out one can see examples of a lack of authenticity (and he has had this throughout his career). For example, there is this line from his address:

"I'm pleased to report that under the Inslee administration, the Seattle Seahawks are having an amazing year, and on Sunday will play in the NFC championship game. It's possible that's just a coincidence."

Give me a break, Inslee. You could congratulate the Seahawks, which would be fine, but trying to relate it back to you to feed your ego is wrong.

On the education funding, I somewhat agree with Adam's take. While Inslee mentioned a court decision last week, the issues have been known for awhile. His administration should have anticipated the courts decision. Further, if faced with an immediate demand, the typical budget decision is where to I move money from to pay for the demand. It isn't how do I get more money and still keep doing the other things. Long term one would need to balance priorities, but short term, you cut someplace else (like all state travel or training). Travel and training budgets are the usual suspects to get raided when businesses are faced with unexpected expenses. Of course, continuing to not fund such things as training, will over the long term hurt, which is why a long term solution does also need to be addressed. If the court really did say to the State that you have to fund it now, then that to me is a short term requirement, which means cut somewhere else immediately and renegotiate the long term plan to make up for this unexpected cost during the normal planning cycle. Of course, this also assumes the judge's decision was unexpected, and as Adam suggested, this shouldn't have been unexpected.

Posted by: tc on January 16, 2014 09:43 AM
12. What Adam hasn't explained is how would his guy and him done things much differently.

Oh, I am sure there would be some different players. Some of your cronies would have gotten their feed at the trough whereas now it's Inslee's cronies.

Even that isn't so much true as contributors (the high rollers) tend to donate to both sides.

Perhaps contractors would have it much easier under you and your guy and tribes have it harder (but then again all the tribes would have to do is donate to you after the election and you will let them back in). But on the real significant issues, there's really not much difference.

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/MvcQuerySystem

The only thing that is being fought over is the place each crony gets at the trough.

If you really want to know what's going on, your best source is really to look at recent contributors. That's all you need to know. That and the knowledge that for most of these politicians their money comes from OUTSIDE THEIR DISTRICT.

http://www.pdc.wa.gov/MvcQuerySystem

By the way, tea party groups are really using the above site. They are getting to understand the players and how they really effect what goes on regardless of party in office.

Posted by: Steve on January 16, 2014 11:12 AM
13. All I can say is that we haven't been getting what we've paid for from the educational system for decades. With the money we're spending, the US should be NĂºmero Uno in math, science, reading and writing. Unfortunately, there are many nations ahead of us, and they're simply doing a better job for less money.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on January 16, 2014 05:56 PM
14. "Unfortunately, there are many nations ahead of us, and they're simply doing a better job for less money."

Time to show off those math skills -- per-pupil expenditures in each country, numbers of students going into STEM ( Science, Technology, Engineering, & Math) careers on a per-capita basis -- and show how "many nations [are] ahead of us, simply doing a better job for less money."

Posted by: tensor on January 16, 2014 07:47 PM
15. At # 14,

It is possible that someone living in an America wouldn't know without having to have it proven to them in detail that "Unfortunately, there are many nations ahead of us, and they're simply doing a better job for less money."

If they are a moron, or if they just yesterday fell off a turnip truck.

Which is it for you moron?

Posted by: Amused by Liberal morons on January 16, 2014 09:01 PM
16. Money doesn't educate children.

Especially if those whose job is to educate children have little actual interest in education.
Their goal to consolidate power not to educate.
People like Inslee like to pose as a solution for a problem they create because many are dumb enough to believe he means to help children.

Being dumb enough to buy into the idea that more money is all we need to fix education problems they only perpetuate the problems.
In reality Inslee's supposed solutions are about as mean spirited as you can get.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 16, 2014 09:15 PM
17. How do you know the public schools are failing your kids?
Ask a kid behind a cash register to count out change, without the aid of his computer cash register.
Ask your kid to balance a check book.
Ask ANY high schooler about ANY great piece of literature or art.
Ask them to diagram a sentence.
Ask them about the rules of punctuation.
Ask them to write a letter in proper form ... in cursive.

Then ask them to define "twerk", ask them what Kim Kardashian named her child, ask them to explain how to put on a condom.

Then Google 'colleges have to teach remedial' ... fill in the blank.

Ask teachers about kids who can't source their work, who can't write a bibliography or worse, can't even define it; ask teachers about term papers written in text message shorthand

And of course, my favorite link - ask an 8th grader, ask a high school senior, ask a college sophomore to take the test.

Google how the SAT has been dumbed down.

And, finally, Google how far the children of the United States public education system has fallen against other countries. Hells bells, Google how far they've fallen against parochial schooled kids and especially against home-schooled kids.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 16, 2014 10:17 PM
18. At # 17,

The best way to control people is to assure that they are incapable of taking care of and thinking for themselves.

Liberalism is pervasive because school teachers are predominately liberal wackos educated by idiots to be idiots. Liberals are too dim-witted to realize that they were taught to believe in things that simply do not exist because of the stealth cruelty of low expectations in our schools. The more you pay our teachers without connecting the pay to measures of quality, the less quality you will get and the consequences are devastating to America.

Much of America lets Obama get away with absurdly obvious serial lying, corruption, murder and shameless destruction of America because they were taught by teachers to believe that a black person is entitled to do as he pleases, beyond standards, and above rebuke. For liberals, emotionalism trumps common sense and obscures reality, so never mind that Obama with full approval of liberals is ruining our economy, our government and our culture.

Our culture is full of liberal morons like tensor completely misusing simple terms like "ad hominem" because he has no idea what it means.
While some of the stupidity people like this engage in is amusing, it is the result of an education system that coddling people of average or questionable of intellectual capacity like tensor to be blissfully unaware of their own incompetence and proud of their mindless arrogance.

If you review the last several threads where this clown contributes you will never see one where he ever makes an argument or engages in thoughtful exchanges of ideas. Morons like Inslee love morons like tensor.

Good job American education system.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 16, 2014 10:59 PM
19. Awesome math skills you guys are showing there.

Amused, assuming what one needs to prove remains a logical fallacy. Dressing it up in ad hominem attacks does not change that.

I can understand now why you folks believe our education system has failed. My advice is to look for evidence in places other than your mirror.

Posted by: tensor on January 17, 2014 02:37 AM
20. "Amused, assuming what one needs to prove remains a logical fallacy. Dressing it up in ad hominem attacks does not change that."

Is there ever going to be a proposition in our future? Apparently not. Certainly not with the likes of Amused and Rags. Instead we have yet another (un)SP parade of dumbed down, uneducated wingnuts whining about the quality of education in America. If irony itself were to walk up and smack Amused or Rags up alongside the head they still wouldn't get it, not in a thousand years.

Posted by: Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 06:04 AM
21. "Is there ever going to be a proposition in our future?"

Notice how "education" was repeatedly defined, by examples, as the ability to perform rote drudgery upon command of an elder?

"Well, when I ask a thirteen-year-old to add 14 and 4 in his head, and his answer is 22, it leads me to believe that there's a problem with education."

"Ask a kid behind a cash register to count out change, without the aid of his computer cash register.
"Ask your kid to balance a check book.
[...]
"Ask them to diagram a sentence.
"Ask them about the rules of punctuation.
"Ask them to write a letter in proper form ... in cursive."

(One thing which drives Rags crazier is the poor cursive handwriting in the average blog post.)

Meanwhile, how many times has Amused cited a documented fact to support one of his claims? When has Rags shown an understanding of the differnce between statements of fact and statements of opinion? Education failures indeed.

Posted by: tensor on January 17, 2014 07:22 AM
22. Notice how "education" was repeatedly defined, by examples, as the ability to perform rote drudgery upon command of an elder?

Did you learn multiplication tables?
Were manners drummed into your head - you know rote memorization of how to behave?
How about school rules? Work place rules?
How about HISTORY - did you memorize facts? - Oh wait, nope your're a loud lefty - you learned to rewrite it to suit whatever your momentary agenda is.

I pity your ill-educated children but I celebrate the diversity and wide scope of mine. How did that condom explanation go? Well, I suspect.

I realize you cannot refute that the education system has gone straight to hell since Jimmy Carter ( 4th best president ever), hence your need to insult. Not a winning way to debate. Too bad you never LEARNED that bit of "drudgery".

Also, I notice you didn't seem to bother with the results of the Google searches I challenged. Are you afraid, lazy or dishonest?

Let's take a poll - who deserves more pity? Tensor the willingly ignorant or his ill-educated children?

I know.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 17, 2014 11:01 AM
23. ps - Dear willingly stupid - please explain how you taught your kids to COUNT.

Oh.
Wait.

You didn't build upon the "rote drudgery" of memorizing NUMBERS, their names and order did you? Or is that up for interpretation?

Dear willingly stupid - please explain how you taught your kids to READ.

Oh.
Wait.

You didn't build upon the "rote drudgery" of memorizing LETTERS, their names, their sounds and order did you? Or is that up for interpretation?

Dear willingly stupid - please explain how you taught your kids to PLAY PIANO.

Oh.
Wait.

You didn't build upon the "rote drudgery" of memorizing notes, their names, their sounds, their order and position on the keyboard did you? Or is that up for interpretation?

Dear willingly stupid - please explain how you taught your kids to PLAY ANY SPORT.

Oh.
Wait.

You didn't build upon the "rote drudgery" of memorizing rules, their positions, and tactics did you? Or is that up for interpretation, too?

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 17, 2014 11:08 AM
24. Hmmm. Dear willingly stupid - how did you pass the written test for your drivers license? You must have just guessed and gotten lucky with those guesses.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 17, 2014 11:20 AM
25. At #24

Is tensor afraid, lazy or dishonest?

Obviously . . . yes.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 11:49 AM
26. At #24

Is tensor afraid, lazy or dishonest?

Obviously . . . yes.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 11:50 AM
27. At # 26,

No need . . . he takes the bus.
He's the one with the vino in the back seat pressing his nose to the window.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 11:57 AM
28. "You didn't build upon the "rote drudgery" of memorizing notes, their names, their sounds, their order and position on the keyboard did you? Or is that up for interpretation?"

First, there always too much ignorance and misinformation in any one of your screeds to bother responding to all of it. I pick out one item that is particularly stupid and dismantle it as an example of just how stupid your comments can be.

I became a student of the violin when I was five years old when the accepted method of learning was quite as you described. Over a decade later I attended a concert at Cornish where 4 and 5 year-old students of the Suzuki method performed. I saw a display of musicianship and tiny little finger motor skills that dazzled. However, between the bunch of them, they probably didn't know a single note.

It's taken from the understand of how children learn to verbally communicate with words, grasping their meaning long before they learn how to write and spell those words.

Once again you have no idea what you're talking about. Will that ever stop you from sharing your ignorant opinions as truths delivered with nastiness, arrogance and condescendance? Of course not. That's why there's a phrase used to describe women like you, Rags, but I'm a gentleman, so I'm not going to call you a stupid bitch.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 11:58 AM
29. So in other words even the rote method failed you. You poor dear.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 12:16 PM
30. Of course tensor is the perfect example of the cruelty Inslee intends to perpetuate.

Figuratively, (and very possibly literally) tensor educates his kids with a bottle of vino from the back of a bus.
Learning "rote" is objective and strengthening and takes discipline and standards. The ability to perform rote drudgery upon command of an elder is how any human learns anything worth knowing.

Instead idiots like tensor and his ilk believe in anything that has no facts, standards, or truth to it and like him, he expects children to invent their own standards, and truth as they go along. The result as shown on this thread are obvious.

Being lazy, arrogant and witless, he luxuriates in the liberal freedom of an education whose only standard is . . . believe anything you like so long as it blindly follows the herd of other witless mindless liberals like Inslee.

Feeeling good is all tensor needs back there in the back seat and that means pretending that what he says somehow makes others feeel bad.

How amusing.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 12:17 PM
31. zuti gazooti at #30.

The Suzuki method is "rote" you frigging moron.

Your display of stupidity is breathtaking.
Now I suppose you will accuse me of ad hominy again.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 12:25 PM
32. There you go slinging grits again...

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 12:32 PM
33. zuti gazooti the blind sturgeon at # 30.

What -- prey tell -- is condescendance?

Talk about ignorant nastiness, and delivered as truth.
Might it be that you needed more rote language training and less liberal bullshit?

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 12:41 PM
34. Perhaps Dr. Pachouli should ask a 4 0r 5 year old to spell it out for her

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 12:44 PM
35. Perhaps my dear Doctor . . . you meant "condiments" like maybe catsup on your ad hominy?
Or maybe "cognizance" as in informed or aware of the meaning of a word like say "rote " for instance?

Just asking.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 12:53 PM
36. No, I'm pretty sure Dr. Pachouli meant condensation - you know - like the puddle that forms on the inside of her eyeballs.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 12:56 PM
37. No Alpha, being a blind sturgeon there's likely no puddles in her eyes, nor anything moist behind them like brain matter.

However, it may be she has a secret thing for Rags and she meant "concupiscence?"

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 01:04 PM
38. Maybe that's why she keeps trying to hump your leg?

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 01:05 PM
39. You mean as in "conglutinated" to my calf?

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 01:10 PM
40. You people.

Rags' sole "rote" method for learning to play an instrument was "memorizing notes, their names, their sounds, their order and position". She sarcastically asked, "Or is that up for interpretation?"

No, that is not the sole way to learn to play a musical instrument and, yes, that is open to interpretation.

https://suzukiassociation.org/teachers/twinkler/

"Children learn to read after their ability to talk has been well established. in the same way, children should develop basic technical competence on their instruments before being taught to read music."

The Suzuki Method is not to build upon the "rote drudgery" of learning the names and order of notes, it is the development of the motor skills, the "technical competence", as rote as that might be, necessary to play the intrument.

Do you now understand? No, of course you don't. There's a reason for that. It's because you're stupid. Your problem couldn't possibly be the quality of education. Quality of education shouldn't be the topic of discussion here. At (un)SP it should be what to do with people like you who are too damned stupid to educate by any means yet discovered! Voltage won't do it! Gene therapy maybe? One thing for sure, the answer to how to educate the likes of you stupes will only be found by further experiments with lab rats.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 01:46 PM
41. And yet even the spam posts here are more informative than the gibberish you spew.

Thanks for the laffs Dr. Pachouli!

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 01:52 PM
42. At # 42,

You believe whatever you like because as a liberal nit-wit with a very small brain that is your way; and I will abide the truth and enjoy living in reality.

The Suzuki Method IS EXPRESSLY designed to foster learning through repetitive practice.
That is what is called "rote" you obdurate dim-witted fool.

Any accomplished musician knows that achievement of any degree of competence at playing an instrument involves practice, practice, and more practice.

It is precisely the purpose of education to teach young people to do the things they may not want to do whether they like it or not because there is a real pay-off for hard work. If they are encouraged through appropriate methods to engage drudgery, they soon learn to make drudgery fun; its called learning.

As a student develops the synapses and nueral pathways open learning becomes pleasurable. With nearly all humans, this will only ever happen if standards are set and rigid discipline is instilled.

Learning anything complex like playing a musical instrument is fun only if you become good at them and the only way to get good is to practice. Learning to practice is the trick of a good life.

Maybe try it some time.
Being a lazy pretentious arrogant ass you probably won't like it.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 02:13 PM
43. .
There's really not much better comedy than the (un)SP peanut gallery attempting to bring its 'intelligence' to bear on the topic of education.

@9 tensor, because information is wasted in such an attempt, and because I wanted that 13 year old to continue to yank his cord.

@Rags, you ObamaCare beneficiary you!

Tell us please, what job in 2014 requires an employee to "write a letter in proper form ... in cursive."? Where does one use that skill nowadays?

And which form of cursive is correct; italic script or looped cursive? (thank dog we have you here to address this controversy!)

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 17, 2014 02:32 PM
44. An interesting aspect of this discussion about education is that while liberals hate discipline, abhor standards, and deny objective facts and truth there is a certain repetitive consistency to their practice of simple-minded inanity, deceit, and arrogance.

As displayed here in this discussion, Liberals arrogate to themselves the ability to invent whatever reality they need as they go along for a given situation and they pretend that because they fool themselves with such inanity, others are likewise fooled. In this case gazootie makes a distinction without a difference and pretends that only she is smart enough to understand her moot point.

People have learned to play the fiddle for centuries by a rote method very similar to the Suzuki method. Many others learned to play the violin by first learning to read music. In either method what counts (in terms of musical ability) is the development of the motor skills, and to quote zuti gazootie "the 'technical competence', as rote as that might be, necessary to play the in[s]trument [sic]." In other words, development of the motor skills is rote discipline also called education.

Zuti gazootie is a case in point of someone who knows everything from talking, nothing from listening or reading honestly, and is utterly oblivious to how foolish her comments are because she thinks she can make it all up as she goes along.

The most fun part of it all is that liberals actually believe that more taxes will make any of this happen.

Sadly (for our children) amusing.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on January 17, 2014 02:49 PM
45. "And which form of cursive is correct; italic script or looped cursive? (thank dog(sic) we have you here to address this controversy!)"

And thank gaia we have you to illustrate irrelevance.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 02:53 PM
46. .
@47 alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 02:53 PM,

Is cursive writing relevant in a topic about education or not?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 17, 2014 03:03 PM
47. Ask a kid behind a cash register to count out change, without the aid of his computer cash register.
Ask your kid to balance a check book.
Ask ANY high schooler about ANY great piece of literature or art.
Ask them to diagram a sentence.
Ask them about the rules of punctuation.
Ask them to write a letter in proper form ... in cursive.

It's telling that 3 of 6 of Rags's benchmarks have become far less important in the modern world. Furthermore, doing most of those tasks well requires understanding, not just rote learning. Furthermore, Rags offers no evidence that students have got worse at these skills in recent years, let alone why.

A good education includes a healthy mix of rote learning and higher skills, and no liberal seriously disagrees with that.

In summary, Rags is attacking a strawman without logic or data. So what's the point?

Posted by: Bruce on January 17, 2014 03:37 PM
48. At # 48,

Exactly, more or less that you know of.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 03:37 PM
49. @50 Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 03:37 PM,

Question @48: Is cursive writing relevant in a topic about education or not?

Answer from you @50 Exactly, more or less that you know of.

I say again, there's really not much better comedy than the (un)SP peanut gallery attempting to bring its 'intelligence' to bear on the topic of education.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 17, 2014 03:41 PM
50. At # 49,

No one with any sense needs evidence that "students have got [sic] worse at these skills in recent years."
Only a basic ability to observe.
Are you really that dense?

The argument is that we don't need more money (a la Inslee), but we do need to change the way we are educating children.

Your attack (of Rags) is the straw-man without data, and if you had a relevant on-topic point you didn't make it here.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 03:50 PM
51. At # 51,

Honest to God you are the dumbest bastard that ever lived. LOL!!!

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 03:54 PM
52. @ Rags,
Help a fellow conservative wingnut out, and diagram Amused by Liberals comments, identifying the subject and predicates of:

@50: Exactly, more or less that you know of.
@52: Only a basic ability to observe.

@52 : Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 03:50 PM,
There's one thing you and I can agree upon. There's no amount of money that can educate you.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 17, 2014 04:00 PM
53. At # 54,

LOL!!

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 04:03 PM
54. How, how after this vote can you really convince people that 'your guy' would have done any better.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/15/house-passes-1-1t-omnibus-spending-bill/


You are just criticizing Inslee because you lost. Like I said we are sick of this partisanship. Is what Inslee doing bad? OF COURSE he is a Democrat. It goes with the definition.

But until someone comes around planning to do something different (remember our last Republican Governor behaved the same way you are criticizing our current Governor of behaving) it really doesn't matter how bad Inslee is because there's no real alternative.

Posted by: Steve on January 17, 2014 04:13 PM
55. BS Boy at 54 (or where-ever),

Just out of curiosity. If I proved you were wrong about something, would you EVER admit it?

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 04:51 PM
56. Amused @57 - You sure must like the low-hanging fruit. BS boy is seldom right but never wrong. That's because in its relativistic world everything is anything and nothing is right or wrong - except his hatred of conservatives. You prove it wrong all the time but you'll never get it to admit it.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 05:00 PM
57. "The Suzuki Method IS EXPRESSLY designed to foster learning through repetitive practice.
That is what is called "rote" you obdurate dim-witted fool."

Sorry, Brainless, but I mistakenly credited you with the ability to comprehend what you've read. My bad. Obviously.

The issue does not have anything to do with the word "rote", my babbling, dictionary clutching idiot. I never took exception to the word "rote", Mr. 0.85 GPA. It has to do with whether or not by repetitive practice (yes, "rote", you brainless twit) one can learn to play an instrument without first learning how to read music as insisted upon by your equally uneducated and idiotic friend, Rags. Yes, one can. That is, in a nutshell, you dumbf*ck wingnut, what the Suzuki Method is all about.

My God, how your teachers must have suffered before they gave up on you.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 05:20 PM
58. At # 58,

Interesting point and it dovetails back to the discussion about Inslee education and taxes.

Interesting to note that you admit BS Boy is sometimes right. Out of the same intellectual honesty I noted agreement with him once or twice long ago but gave up on it for several reasons. First he is rarely right about anything, secondly he turns any comity into his own bullshit tactic, and it was never reciprocated.
Only ever dead-pan, arrogant, idiotic, hide-bound, liberal bullshit.

I find it interesting that liberals almost never make any sense but ALWAYS insist they are right and NOTHING ever stated by a conservative can possibly be right; no matter how obviously correct and valuable it may be.

For instance the contributions made on this thread by Ragnar Danneskold about education were solid, sensible, obvious and irrefutable yet liberals attempted to tear them apart as if they were utter bullshit. They claim that she must prove her claims to them to a metaphysical certainty yet they never ever offer proof of any kind of their own. Even when we offer proof, they only change the subject. Why bother?

BS Boy is hardly alone.
Liberals all use the same simplistic arrogant inane tactics and they got them through our education system. The use of schools to dumb-down as many people as the liberal establishment can is hurting us all. Soon there will be no more room for liberalism.

Thanks to Obama et al, attitudes that motivate someone like zuti gazooti to call herself Dr. zuti gazooti will disappear behind hunger, fear, and humility.

That's what makes liberals so darkly amusing.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 05:40 PM
59. "the (un)SP peanut gallery attempting to bring its 'intelligence' to bear on the topic of education"

Well, to be fair for a moment, MBS, it probably brings back a lot of painful and humiliating memories for these stupes to have education brought up in discussion here. I don't recall any other subject unleashing such torrents of blind, unbridled hate out of these freaks. I can only conclude that they blame their teachers for their sad, uneducated lot in life when all the evidence points towards genetic abnormalities, most likely caused by a generation or two of inbreeding.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 05:43 PM
60. "the contributions made on this thread by Ragnar Danneskold about education were solid, sensible, obvious and irrefutable"

OMG! LMFAO!!!

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 05:50 PM
61. @60-62 - Not only are you blind, but clueless also jumps out of your comments. Your Democrats leftist ilk is insane, as they keep throwing money at problems (i.e. education) showing an alarming lack of self-awareness, exemplified by the Governor's policy. Don't count on lowering taxes - the Supreme Court's new policy about a mandatory spending on education is legislating from the bench - which is stench.

The education system beholden to the WEA is screaming for reform the infrastructure - no notable changes until then, just more insanity. Charter schools are now an option which gives an opportunity for improvement.

Posted by: KDS on January 17, 2014 06:21 PM
62. At #'s 61, and 62,

Gazooti . . . you outdid yourself.
In your parlance, what "condescendance."

And it's apparent that you emote these comments concern me?

Nice work.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 06:24 PM
63. Sifting through all the ad hominem crap which I shall ignore...

Amused@52 writes, "No one with any sense needs evidence that 'students have got [sic] worse at these skills in recent years.' Only a basic ability to observe."

Please educate us on how "a basic ability to observe" can provide accurate data in a world where technology, knowledge, our educational system, and demographics (among other things) are changing rapidly.

For extra credit, defend your use of "sic" above with a citation.

Posted by: Bruce on January 17, 2014 06:26 PM
64. Bruce - Pick up a dictionary (yea I know that Dr. Pachouli eschews them) and read up on "ad hominem". It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 06:32 PM
65. "And it's apparent that you emote these comments concern me?"

I see that the the stupe who calls himself Amused is trying very hard to encode a message to me. Sadly, it's another fail on his part and so I have no idea what he's trying to tell me. Say, does anybody have a Wingnut Stupe De-coder ring I can borrow?

Posted by: DR. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 06:37 PM
66. At # 62,
Bruce,
Thanks very much.

Educate us on how "a basic ability to observe" isn't the MOST obvious and accurate data about our failures to properly educate our children ESPECIALLY in a world where technology, knowledge, our educational system, and demographics (among other things) are changing rapidly.

For extra credit why not make an attempt to make an argument of your own?
Since apparently you disagree with my claims, inform us all why and provide your own data to support it.

Otherwise, why not crawl back into your liberal bubble and pretend you are comfortable with the education problems we have.
You never provide anything (let alone facts of any kind) worth consideration. Why should I bother trying to prove anything to you?

Your grade will depend upon careful adherence to the instructions (herein considered your syllabus).
Thanks for your comment.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 06:51 PM
67. Stupe, "ad hominy"

The other Stupe, "Bruce - Pick up a dictionary"

In the future the other Stupe should be sure to use "ad hominy" so the Stupe called Amused will know WTF you're talking about.

If the other Stupe wants to know what it means, and he obviously doesn't, he can refer to Purge's last thread where, posting as "Contrary", I schooled him on it, exposing the endless ad hominems and other logical fallacies he employs to dupe the wingnut stupes here like Stupe and other Stupe into thinking that Purge could possibly win an honest debate, which he can't, not in a million years of trying. And please take note of the cowardly cut & run the anonymous coward Purge pulled at the end of that thread.

Read and learn, Stupes.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 07:00 PM
68. "For extra credit why not make an attempt to make an argument of your own?"

Perhaps he's waiting as I am, for one of you Stupes to make an argument of your own. Sadly, you don't understand (and apparently never will) that conclusions and ad hominems do not an argument make. But you have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? Obviously.

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 07:09 PM
69. "The education system beholden to the WEA is screaming for reform the infrastructure"

Eh, more likely their screaming to get the in-bred spawn of wingnuts out of the system and into home skoolin'. At least that's what I'd do. My, how the public system test scores would soar if little Stupe Jr. stayed at home with Daddy Stupe!

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 07:18 PM
70. #'s 69, 70,

Desperate loser.

Where are any rational arguments from the left?
All there is is silly and empty rebukes of honest arguments made by Rags and Amused.

Posted by: Observer on January 17, 2014 07:20 PM
71. At # 71,

I actually believe that you are degenerate enough to actually truly believe what you are writing here.

That anyone who disagrees with you is "in-bred spawn of wingnuts who should be out of the system and into home skoolin'."

And you go on to write that "At least that's what I'd do. My, how the public system test scores would soar if little Stupe Jr. stayed at home with Daddy Stupe!"

Good job ruti gazooti, you are an arrogant bigoted degenerate judging others and calling for apartheid of anyone that disagrees with your idiotic liberal sycophantic nonsense.

Very amusing indeed.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 07:33 PM
72. Third Stupe says, "Where are any rational arguments from the left?"

Poor attention span much? We're trying to educate you Stupes about arguments and how to present them. So far we've had about as much success as your teachers in school did, which is none. But don't start believing it was the system that failed you. Some students are destined to fail no matter what effort one puts into teaching them. As evidence of this I give you Stupe, the other Stupe, and now yourself, Third Stupe.

"honest arguments made by Rags and Amused"

Too funny. You see, that's the problem. Now please try to understand what I going to tell you here. Presenting a single anecdote as Rags did is not an argument. Nor is it an argument for Amused to state a conclusion followed by ad hominems.

Stupe says, "arrogant bigoted degenerate"

yo mama

Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 17, 2014 07:53 PM
73. Jeebus Pachouli, "yo mama"? Did yo mama have any kids who lived?

Posted by: alphabet soup on January 17, 2014 08:42 PM
74. Anyone ever wonder who calls himself Zatiochi is and what he stands for?
Zatoichi (who variously calls himself Zatoichi, Zatoichi the Blind Surgeon, or Dr. Zatoichi the Blind Surgeon or other lame-ass monikers on Sound Politics) demonstrates that he is truly a disgusting degenerate moron.

Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFTowjUQHzU&feature=c4-overview&list=UU6IXegH7NaR6OJ4YtD6BzSA

Very inspiring and amusing (Especially the nose picking part).
Nice job ruti gazooti, we knew you had it in you.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 17, 2014 08:58 PM
75. Thought I would drop by on this fine Friday after we hosted some friends to see which drunk Obamabot was ranting. This Blind Surgeon reminds me of the Blind Sheik who masterminded the 1993 Trade Center bombing. But let us be frank, Dr. Zatoichi is just the latest incarnation of bipolar Dr. Steve.

Posted by: Mike on January 17, 2014 10:13 PM
76. "Ask a kid behind a cash register to count out change, without the aid of his computer cash register."

Rags, the owner of the store bought "a computer cash register" because the machine performs many rote accounting tasks faster and more precisely than humans do. One of those tasks is counting change. Asking the clerk to perform a rote task for which the business invested in a machine to perform shows a rather poor understanding of how business works, don't you think?

In this scenario, both the customer and the clerk should have the rudimentary arithmetic skills sufficient to recognize if the amount of change given by the machine was wrong, but neither of them should waste time duplicating effort if the machine is functioning properly. The employee, in particular, should not waste his employer's money on such a stunt.

Posted by: tensor on January 18, 2014 07:08 AM
77. @79 tensor,
Next you'll be telling Rags children should not be made to sew their own clothes with a needle and thread because a machine does it more efficiently and foreign labor does it more economically.
Liberals, always applying that sciencey devil approach!

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on January 18, 2014 09:07 AM
78. Eh, more likely their screaming to get the in-bred spawn of wingnuts out of the system and into home skoolin'. At least that's what I'd do. My, how the public system test scores would soar if little Stupe Jr. stayed at home with Daddy Stupe!

Posted by Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon at January 17, 2014 07:18 PM

Is that all you've got ? Shrug - You are living proof of the desire to be an inbred so you will have another lame -ass excuse for the crap that you and your left wing nut ilk spew.

@79-80; The advantage of our technological advances is that machines perform services that humans once had to do themselves. The disadvantage is that it has taken away jobs and incentive for those who are replaced by machines. Education is behind the times in training those to know how to troubleshoot those machines that have replaced humans. What happened to American ingenuity ? I'll offer an answer - it has been stifled by big government and statism and the malevolence of left wing nuts - just sayin' It has been demonstrated that big government policies have increased income inequality - another Obama lie.

Posted by: KDS on January 18, 2014 09:33 AM
79. George W Bush put "no child left behind" in place and Democrats, hating any standards and refusing to relinquish any control over the lives of children, twisted it out of shape to further ruin education all across America.

Inslee longs to take more taxpayer money to buy off his mafia friends in education for their political support. His attitude along with all of the left is, to hell with children. And people like ruti gazootie's parents (At # 80) pay tuition yet he knows little or nothing about much of anything.

Look at his application of the term "ad hominem."
It is amusing to watch him serially misuse a term he obviously doesn't understand. But then neither does tensor or tc. Birds of a feather.

But then all liberals are amusing in a dark slimy witless sort of way.
And they probably believe this (again) is ad hominem. How very humorous. LOL!!

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 18, 2014 06:33 PM
80. Rags, the owner of the store bought "a computer cash register" because the machine performs many rote accounting tasks faster and more precisely than humans do.

So your kids can't count or make change - got it. Depending on a machine for everything - got it. Oopsie - I hope no one pulls the plug - or there's never a power outage. I wonder, do they just take the change they receive on blind faith since they can't figure out what they're owed ...?

I bet they listen to their books too, eh? Oh. Wait. They catch the movie when (if) it's released. - Got it.

How'd they do with that condom explanation for you.

Next you'll be telling Rags children should not be made to sew their own clothes with a needle and thread because a machine does it more efficiently and foreign labor does it more economically.

Because your kids can't sew a button, repair a seam on the go or enjoy the pleasure of a job well done - on their own - got it. Pretty damn sad.... and definitive of your mindset.

Writing a proper letter encourages thoughtfulness, shows professionalism and respect for the reader.
Cursive encourages slowing down and trying hard.
Diagramming sentences teaches proper grammar.

You loud lefty's clearly do not value those attributes. Pity. More so for your kids.

But hurray for kids (like mine) whose parents do.

It amazes that anyone would defend dumbing down their own children.

At least you loud lefty's are living what you learned and living your ideology: subjugate through planned, purposeful ignorance.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on January 18, 2014 07:30 PM
81. At # 84,

Excellent.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on January 18, 2014 07:37 PM
82. "Excellent"

LMFAO!

"Look at his application of the term "ad hominem.""

Would you like to see it again?

"But then all liberals are amusing in a dark slimy witless sort of way."

Attacking your opponent. Argumentum ad hominem. Or as Merriam-Webster says,

"Marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made"

Then again, maybe you're like Pudge, making up your own definitions for words. Of course, if that's the case, then there would be no debate possible because, as it is with Pudge, nobody would no WTF you're talking about.

Here's how it works.

Resolved: Gov. Inslee has Mafia friends.

You go first, arguing in the affirmative. Make the case that Inslee has Mafia friends. When you're done, I'll take the negative. If you fail to provide one or more propositions, the debate is over and you would lose as you will have failed to present an argument.

Don't get the idea that I'm going to continue holding your hand, Amused. You can look up the word proposition in a dictionary by all by little ol' lonesome self.

Prove me wrong. Show everybody that there really was a proposition in our future. I bet you can't do it.


Posted by: Dr. Zatoichi, the Blind Surgeon on January 18, 2014 10:24 PM