December 06, 2013
Views diverge quite publically at state climate work group meeting

There were some testy exchanges at a meeting today of the Climate Legislative and Executive Workgroup (CLEW) in Olympia. Gov. Jay Inslee hoped the committee would advance his five recommendations on to the legislature, including his proposal for a state carbon cap. The two Republican members, Rep. Shelly Short and Sen. Doug Ericksen, said they couldn't vote to recommend that without knowing more about the economic impacts.

"I think there's some divergent views here on the way forward," Inslee said, adding that he and the other two Democrats on the panel wanted to vote on the recommendations at the meeting. He wondered how the panel could reach consensus "if we have several members who want to make recommendations and several members who do not," a statement he ended with a smirk in Short's direction.

Short didn't care for Inslee's summation of the meeting. "What I really resent, Governor, is you intimating that we don't care. And you can say that you didn't intimate that, but it really is to point that there are three members who have agreement and two who don't." She added later, "I just really very much resent being put in a corner today, Governor, and maybe that wasn't your intent, but that sure is the way it's characterized today."

Inslee tried to smooth things over by saying, "We're all in the corner. We're all in the same corner, which is, carbon pollution is damaging our state." He went for the jugular moments later, though, reading the RCW establishing the committee and saying, "There are specific numerical targets that we are charted [sic] to meet. Now I've heard two members of these committees [sic] say it's really not that important to meet those targets, and I think's it's going to be difficult..."

"No no no," Short interrupted. "You started this fight." Short said much of the data and targets they were working off of "were pulled from the sky," adding to Inslee, "I'm sorry if you feel you want to move forward...without any regard to the costs, Governor."

Short continued, "I think we've all tried to be very respectful of one another and really engaged in this process, but today you have set that bar at a new level. So I'm frustrated, we're in December, we've spend months and months in this process -- months in the process -- and we were hoping to come to conclusion and you just blow it up, so, that's fine, but we're going to have our say."

Sen. Doug Ericksen gently chided Inslee for characterizing others viewpoints in a way that was "not appropriate" and said that the governor's push to vote that day was not what was scheduled. "I have not seen anybody bring forward the comprehensive cap-and-trade program, the comprehensive carbon reduction program, the comprehensive low-carbon fuel standard program, the comprehensive transferred nuclear power program, that would attain the goals laid out in the 2008 Legislature, so on that category, I guess the entire CLEW has failed in that mission because...nobody has brought forward that finished product."

Ericksen said it was appropriate for the committee to consider economic impacts of cap-and-trade. "Going forward, I believe that we do need to take into account the economic conditions, and we might not like the numbers, but SAIC in their own report said that to pursue the cap-and-trade proposal at the federal level would cost Washington State over 81,000 jobs by 2030. That's in the report, so do we take that into consideration now?"

The meeting concluded with no action taken. You can watch the entire exchange below.

Posted by Adam Faber at December 06, 2013 07:03 PM | Email This
1. Mikeyboyscout, You useless party hack. Everytime you open your pie hole in defense of Inslee and your buddies we all chuckle at your hypocracy. Perhaps you will do us all a favor and completely erase your carbon footprint. Nobody will miss you.

Posted by: Smokie on December 7, 2013 06:02 AM
2. Inslee is a puppet of Ali-Bama, AlGore, and the factless left.

The oceans are not rising. There is no climate change, and CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

And to top it all off, the ocean will NOT turn to acid. The laws of physics do not allow for it.

I've seen them quote ocean PH data from the 1700s, when the PH scale was not even created until the early 1900s. And remember all the coastal cities AlGore said would see rising sea levels by now? Well, I've seen tidal data going back decades, and there is no real change.

The driving forces of all this environmental extremism is to cripple America, while the rest of the world goes on.

Posted by: Independent Voter on December 7, 2013 07:54 AM
3. "And to top it all off, the ocean will NOT turn to acid. The laws of physics do not allow for it."

You tell it!! Why, next these so-called "scientists" will be telling us you can create acid by dissolving the products of hydrocarbon combustion in water. That's doubleplus unpossible, and AlGore is fat.

"I've seen them quote ocean PH data from the 1700s, when the PH scale was not even created until the early 1900s."

Worse yet, they seem to believe the world has always been round, despite all the accounts from centuries past that said it was flat.

Posted by: tensor on December 7, 2013 08:13 AM
4. The bots are dumb enough to believe anything. That is why they hang on Lord Obama's every word and are worried sick about 20 foot sea level rise.

17 year pause in warming and counting. And an incredibly inactive Sun. Connect the dots idiots. Talk about not being able to understand a round earth.

Posted by: Mike on December 7, 2013 09:15 AM
5. If the state is really so worried about CO2 (plant food) and potential rising seas, why have they allowed massive recent projects along the Seattle waterfront that are less than 20' above MSL???
Seawall construction, the tunnel, the stadiums, etc.
Has the states' Port Authorities taken any construction measures to accommodate this claim?
Visit and search for a recent post on Senator Whitehouse.

Posted by: Brad on December 7, 2013 11:55 AM
6. "I've seen them quote ocean PH data from the 1700s, when the PH scale was not even created until the early 1900s."

And how can they quote Fahrenheit temperatures before 1724, when Gabriel Fahrenheit invented the Fahrenheit scale? Obviously a fraud!

Posted by: Bruce on December 7, 2013 02:40 PM
7. Has anyone here heard what is happening to the oysters in puget sound? Please google the below words and see for yourself, that is if you don't already know everything.
"oysters dying in washington"
Ignorance is not bliss.

Posted by: Fred on December 7, 2013 03:45 PM
8. Rising sea levels ? Then those paranoid leftists should move to higher ground. The sea level may rise another 8 inches in your lifetimes and while your at it, blow your rhetoric out your blowholes - LOL

Right now, warming sounds good. Unfortunately, we may be in for a period of global cooling, even though there is greater human effect than 200 years ago. Only science illiterates can't grasp the fact that the biggest effect on global temperature is the sun ! Human effect is comparatively miniscule. Cap and Trade is just another marxist redistribution scheme devised by Soros, Gore and the affluent of the effluent statists. Obummer is another one of those scientifically illiterate statists, who is an accomplished snake-oil salesman and those who agree with throwing money at the problem and this propaganda are merely useful idiots. However, the hysterics are losing steam and facts have washed over a vast majority of their faux claims.

So change the topic and talk about acidification of oceans. This issue may be more likely to be affected by industrialization than temperature, but evidence is spotty at best.

Posted by: KDS on December 7, 2013 05:04 PM
9. Marajuana and man boobs - indeed ! True Story... Jimmy is still not brave enough to allow comments on his posts. The content is OK, but the messenger is too sensitive for his own good. It detracts from Jim Miller's message - I have to say - Miller's actions remind me of our president who is notoriously unable handle criticism in a positive way.

Humor us and give us the opportunity to comment on your posts.

Posted by: KDS on December 7, 2013 05:11 PM
10. "We've seen Democracy in action today."

That's right . . . we've also witnessed that when you elect a moron governor you'll get moronic governance
that would move forward blindly with laws pushes forward to further destroy our economy on the basis of pure superstition.

Why not make housing available for Sasquatches as well?

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on December 7, 2013 07:38 PM
11. " He went for the jugular moments later, though, reading the RCW establishing the committee and saying..."

Inslee, being a perfifdious liberal, knows he can quote laws and facts and data to support his claims. Furthermore, he knows and exploits the reality his conservative opponents can't do the same. How much of this impertinence can the right wing tolerate?!?

Posted by: tensor on December 8, 2013 01:36 AM
12. "Inslee, being a perfifdious liberal, knows he can quote laws and facts and data to support his claims."

His claims like...
No new taxes.
Lean management will save enough to pay for McCleary.
A 75 point plan to improve the economy.
Special Sauce will save us.

Posted by: Smokie on December 8, 2013 06:18 AM
13. "Has anyone here heard what is happening to the oysters in puget sound?"

Yeah, I live out at Hood Canal. However, I somehow doubt that readers such as No-Info Voter have much interest in the impacts of stress induced by low aragonite saturation and how it affects oyster larvae use of food, impacting development, which in turn impacts our state's shellfish industry.

No-Info Voter sez, "I've seen them quote ocean PH data from the 1700s, when the PH scale was not even created until the early 1900s."

Isn't science wonderful? The scientists had available to them a variety of isotopic and water column tracer techniques, peer-reviewed and refined over time, of course, which were used to determine how much of the DIC present in ocean samples today would have been present prior to the Industrial Revolution. Cool, huh?

And then we have Amusing Windbag spewing, "destroy our economy on the basis of pure superstition"

Good grief! Yeah, tell that to those poor little baby Hood Canal oyster larvae who are dying, Taylor Shellfish Hatchery and our state's shellfish industry.

WTF is superstitious about peer-reviewed science? Man up and debunk the isotopic and water column tracer techniques used. Heh. Or clam up.

Posted by: Doctor Mengele on December 8, 2013 12:56 PM
14. One thing I sort of admire about Republicans is how unified they are in their opposition to anything resembling science. But then, you can hardly blame them, because, after all, science has been wrong a few times. And from them, it's only one short additional step to believing that science is wrong all the time.

Posted by: Hopalong Hare on December 8, 2013 01:27 PM
15. What I especially enjoy are the shiite~for~brains leftists and their creative strawmen. What's pathetic is that they appear to universally buy their own crap.

Posted by: alphabet soup on December 8, 2013 04:05 PM
16. Now now alphabet soup, let's encourage everyone who thinks cap and trade is a great idea to address global warming, sell everything they own and contribute it to the cause. Obviously they are willing to lead by example and would not hesitate to do so....right?

Posted by: Smokie on December 8, 2013 05:18 PM
17. Good summary video for those who like to obsess about Fox News.

Posted by: Mike on December 8, 2013 10:30 PM