December 02, 2013
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Posted by Adam Faber at December 02, 2013 11:58 AM | Email This
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1. Hmmm... I occasionally get similar messages from Netflix -- and we know what a failure they've been!

If only govt could function more like private enterprise....

Posted by: scottd on December 2, 2013 12:40 PM
2. Netflix has over 25 million streaming customers downloading staggering amounts of video content every day.
Healthcare.gov can't handle a few thousand people uploading text information.

Posted by: Uhh... on December 2, 2013 01:11 PM
3. And Netflix began operations this Fall, too!

Wait, what?

Posted by: tensor on December 2, 2013 01:33 PM
4. Yep, signed into law in March of 2010...this whole website thing snuck right up on them.
Just keep embracing the excuses.

Posted by: Uhh... on December 2, 2013 01:41 PM
5. Well, as we can see here, the Inslee administration covered up for Obama to try and make the ACA rollout look better than it was.

And we of course do not have any metrics to compare the Oct 1st rollout, with all of the alleged improvements announced the other day.

So no surprise it all just the same steaming pile as before. There is no surprise. These are the same gullible people who get doe eyed and impressed by ridiculous slogans like "Yes we can!"

The ends justify their means. Oh, and how does this all fit in with their slogan to be "the most transparent administration ever?" Crickets.

Posted by: Leftover on December 2, 2013 02:01 PM
6. Were all in the Army now eh!!

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on December 2, 2013 02:52 PM
7. "Yep, signed into law in March of 2010...this whole website thing snuck right up on them."

Since you seem to have missed it, the recent (and upcoming?) government shutdown was manufactured explicitly to disrupt the ACA's implementation. This is the arsonist complaining about the inefficiency of the fire department.

Posted by: tensor on December 2, 2013 03:30 PM
8. Well. one this is definitely true: the Obama administration has thrown a BOATLOAD of money into the website!

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on December 2, 2013 03:44 PM
9. @7

What about the two years prior to the shutdown? When they could have been building a real website, testing it, building the back end to insurers that is still not built? The shutdown was a tiny bit of the overall ACA timeline.

You are still making excuses.

Posted by: Leftover on December 2, 2013 04:07 PM
10. Yes, the administration screwed up implementation of this website. And of course it's not all fixed a month later. But when Republicans can hardly contain their glee at these problems, it says all we need to know about how little they care about their country and its citizens.

When the Iraq war went badly, I felt sickened, not gleeful because my original position had been vindicated.

Posted by: Bruce on December 2, 2013 04:07 PM
11. Fortunately Washington state residents who are not obtaining health insurance via their employer don't need to rely upon HealthCare.gov to obtain the benefits of ObamaCare because unlike states led by Republicans Washington has its own site
https://www.wahealthplanfinder.org

Aren't you glad that Democratic led state government gives you the choice not to rely upon the Federal government?

Funny Republicans didn't see the advantages.


Posted by: MikeBoyScout on December 2, 2013 04:13 PM
12. "Funny Republicans didn't see the advantages."

They are funny that way. From Leftover's link:

"The latest figures continue the trend of high Medicaid enrollment and abysmal private health plan purchasers. Of the 98,399 who have enrolled on the state exchange, only 11,742 have purchased a private health plan."

This in no way implies private health insurance is inferior to Medicaid. At least, one can read the entire article and never see that conclusion stated anywhere. It's almost like the author already knew what to say -- and, more importantly, knew what *not* to say.

Posted by: tensor on December 2, 2013 04:42 PM
13. You bet boy @ 11, now the people who want something for free, paid for by others who will not pay, can get what they deserve . . . an illusion of "health Care," and a further broken economy that will not support decent health care. As the real health care system your own professed parties of interest (the poor) depend upon falters and fails you can lie about it all with glee. Where today there is still "others money" to expropriate to take care of indigents, soon there will be no longer.

While the moron (Inslee) Democrat leadership you laud shamelessly lies to everyone including their own people about their policies to cover up the facts, does it ever dawn on you that it will never succeed? Your stupidity while comically amusing in a dark way is nothing to be proud of.
But then you wouldn't get that or you would get the rest.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on December 2, 2013 06:25 PM
14. "Aren't you glad that Democratic led state government gives you the choice not to rely upon the Federal government?

Funny Republicans didn't see the advantages."

We'll see how that plays out - too early to know. I don't trust the government of this state either - their feet must also be held to the fire. Why ? For one, the State government has given erroneous numbers of the ACA exchange enrollment in hopes of embellishing. Another rush to judgment seasoned with BS by a resident leftist.

Posted by: KDS on December 2, 2013 07:11 PM
15. " For one, the State government has given erroneous numbers of the ACA exchange enrollment in hopes of embellishing."

Yes, that is the argument made by ShiftWA, at Leftover's link. But the numbers given are only "erroneous" if one accepts ShiftWA's premise, that Medicaid is not insurance. The authors there are clearly unhappy a government program outperforms private enterprise, but that's not the fault of our state's government.

Posted by: tensor on December 2, 2013 09:23 PM
16. ACA blocks the use of my doctor and one of my hospitals....yet another lie...you get to keep your doctor period....it is not insurance...I have no idea what it is anymore. What was the point? Who cares about a non-secure website....My insurance has always worked now I have none and the 'offered' plan blocks my path to healthcare??!?! What What? Demos You are to Blame....

Posted by: Col. Hogan on December 3, 2013 09:06 AM
17. ACA blocks the use of my doctor and one of my hospitals....yet another lie...you get to keep your doctor period....it is not insurance...I have no idea what it is anymore. What was the point? Who cares about a non-secure website....My insurance has always worked now I have none and the 'offered' plan blocks my path to healthcare??!?! What What? Demos You are to Blame....Thanks. If you are voted out know you did it, own it cowards!

Posted by: Col. Hogan on December 3, 2013 09:15 AM
18. @16/17
Why are you blaiming ACA? Who are part of insurer networks and which networks doctors participate in is between the insurance companies and the doctors. To blaim ACA on all insurance/doctor decisions is hyperbole. This process (doctors and insurance companies determining who participates in the insurance companies network) has been going on for ages. You know you do have a choice when it comes to doctors and hospitals and with which insurance company you use. Have you explored the other companies? Why are you (and other like Rags) so tied to your old insurance company? You need to be smart consumers and take your business to whomever offers you the best combination.

Posted by: tc on December 3, 2013 10:06 AM
19. HA! I got a similar message when I clicked on Washington Healthplanfinder within an article titled Washington Obamacare Exchange Falsely Claims Health Plans Don't Cover Abortions

Coincidence? Incompetence? LIES?

Schadenfreude!

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on December 3, 2013 12:37 PM
20. TC @18. ACA demanded new plans and the cancellation of plans people did want. Now consumers are being told by the ACA to pick one of the new plans, but only these. Not what a consumer might want, but what the government says you have to have. Insurers were "in bed" with government on this too after the gov promised they'd recoup $$ by forcing people to buy a product they didn't want or one that didn't fit their needs.

ACA is the reason. Gov intervention is the main problem.

Wouldn't it have been nice allow an open marketplace with more options using existing websites that worked for people to buy insurance? Kreidler could have saved millions of dollars and helped thousands of WA citizens by not dictating what he thought is best for them.

Existing conditions a problem? Then work to fix just that. Heck I bet the $$ spent on the healthcare.gov website could have gone a long way to help subsidize those folks. It is an issue, but not one that necessitated the turd that is the ACA.

Posted by: Dengle on December 3, 2013 12:42 PM
21. Treasury inspector warns health care subsidies vulnerable to fraud, suggesting future problems
By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press 52 minutes ago

Yep, that's consumer fraud on the government end - NOT identity theft and security fraud on the consumer end.

Drip, drip, drip ... SCHADENFREUDE!

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on December 3, 2013 01:47 PM
22. Dengle@20 writes, "Heck I bet the $$ spent on the healthcare.gov website could have gone a long way to help subsidize those folks."

I think you're saying that if we didn't based our healthcare system around private insurance companies, the government would have lots more money to devote to actual healthcare. Just like most of the developed world. Doesn't that sound like a better system than Obamacare?

Posted by: Bruce on December 3, 2013 03:44 PM
23. Why do I have a feeling that if Romney was President and the exact same thing was happening, which it would be because basically Obamacare is Romneycare applied on the National Level, you would be here praising the web site.

Is ORomneycare bad, YES, but not because of Obama. It is bad because it is BAD!

By the way, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there's no mention here about Jane Hague's immigration vote. Of course not, because you all support Jane Hague. Had she not caved in with the Democommies you probably would have mentioned it.

Look, I expect you to erase this because you always erase negative comments coming at you from the Right while keeping all the vile posts the Left may post here, but before you do, I just want to show you why more and more people see no difference between the two parties.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/12/03/boehner-hires-fox-to-guard-immigration-hen-house/

She has previously worked for people like Kennedy and now she has access to the Office of the "Republican" party Speaker and with that access to all the communications flowing to and from that office.

That alone should tell you that the Republicans and Democrats work in effect as ONE PARTY in DC. They hire from each other's staffs. Republican/Democrat doesn't matter to the pros in DC.

That alone should be revealing enough, add to it what her hiring bodes for the further.

There was a generation of Conservatives, those who Remember Reagan, who saw them tied to the Republican party and played the "lesser of two evils" game. That is actually how we got here.

But this current crop of conservatives, yeah, stab us in the back, and WE WILL GO HOME and work on our bug out bag or whatever. Yeah. And you think, you always think that well, we will make those people up with those who would appreciate that we went Left for them. Well, guess what THEY ALREADY HAVE A PARTY. You are not going to make them leave the Democrats as fast as you make the conservatives leave the process.

Oh, but it worked so well for President Romney didn't it? Karl Rowe was predicting his victory right up to election night wasn't he!

This blog since 2006 if not earlier keeps on Predicting Republican Wins. Senator McGavick, Governor McKenna, Attorney General Dunn. Not to mention President's McCain and Romney.

You have always been wrong here, so you don't believe me that 2014 is going to be a TERRIBLE year for Republicans. It will be a terrible year all around for incumbents but the Demos base will be solid while the Repubs base will crack into dust. You think will be wrong, okay, let's let history decide. I am pretty good at predicting the future, even if I get this next year wrong, it will be 1 out of what the last eight or so. But I don't think I will. We will see a lot of long term Democrats lose seats, but we will see it more with Republicans. The only chance and the only way my prediction could be a little off is if Republicans can take out some of their incumbents in the primary. Then, and only then perhaps 2014 will be worse for the Democrats than the Republicans.

But I think except for a few exceptions here or there, Republican incumbents will through the same bully tactics they have been known for in the past (I didn't support Paul but ask them all the crooked things that was done, even a caucus was shut down I remember) will primaries. It is tough taking people out in primaries with all the party machinery and big money working on behalf of the incumbent. So while we will have some wins next year (Ditch McConnell I hope will lose the Primary) I think most of Republican incumbents we will lose in the general.

And you know what. I couldn't care less, because the same public policy comes out of them regardless of who officially is in charge because they all get their aides from the same "bipartisan" sources.

Had Romney won, you would be defending the Romneycare website. You are the past. For you right and wrong is matter of party. To conservatives today, the new breed, right and wrong is a matter of, well RIGHT AND WRONG.

Posted by: NoDifference on December 3, 2013 04:02 PM
24. You may ridicule us for "taking our football home". Yeah, ridicule, great way to encourage us to return, yeah.

But taking our football home is far smarter than keeping running up to kick it time and time again.

Sorry, Charlie Brown was LAST GENERATION, not us.

And yeah, no surprise about the "Lie of Omission" on the Hague vote. Sure it's easy for you people on Sound Politics to talk about how the Press didn't report how radical that commie who just got elected in Seattle was before the election (by the way she is a City Councilmember, not Councilor, gosh) while they are doing the same thing in regards to their Pet RINO Hague and her Leftist Anti American vote.

Please, Charlie Brown, just say NO!

"I'll hold it steady"... Yeah, perhaps the last generation of conservatives bought that from you Republican hacks but things have gone too far too fast for us to!

By the way, Steve Deace is finally broadcasting in Seattle on Real Conservative Talk KLFE-AM 1590. KLFE-AM 1590 - how KVI was in the 1990s before they fired Carlson over his support of an initiative against affirmative action.

Actually ironically KVI started going down the hill when they fired Seigel for something SOMEONE ELSE happened to offhandedly mention on one of his shows and Seigel didn't even support what the guy said.

Posted by: NoMoreRunningforFootball on December 3, 2013 04:24 PM
25. What the "Experts" Think.

The mid year election in the President's second term is historically speaking bad for the President's party.

Obamacare will make the Democrats unpopular.

The Truth.

Yes, historically speaking perhaps but trends have a way of "being that way until they aren't".


Obamacare at least in the minds of the LIV (Low Information Voter) hasn't been distinguished enough in party terms, especially with the establishment in the Republican party making supportive, timid but supportive remarks regarding the plan (Lets fix it not fold it). Do a "man on the street poll" if you disagree. We think that Obamacare is OBVIOUSLY seen in partisan terms by Joe American, but no, Republicans have not been strong enough to get that message across.

Congress has the lowest rating in like FOREVER! The majority in the House of Representatives are Republicans. And they are all the more vulnerable because of the many, many Conservatives who now see it as a badge of honor to say "I am not a Republican" and who felt that "Voting for Romney is the last time I will hold my nose" (or in the analogy above "run up to kick the football while the Republican party holds it").

So, if I have to bet, I would say while we will see Republican victories in Districts where there's no incumbent, and even some swing districts with Demos as incumbents, for the most part the biggest loses will be GOP just by the fact that 2014 will be an anti-incumbent year and well in the House at least the Republicans have the most incumbents.

In Washington State, well there's a lot of "revenge" voting that is going to take place by those in the tea party who feel betrayed. This is the year that the so called "Tea Party Senators" are up. And people have not forgotten that so called Marriage Equality would not be a reality in Washington State if it weren't for the support of Republican Senators Steve Litzow, Joe Fain, and Andy Hill, who all won on the backs of the Tea Party. I doubt that members of the Tea Party would have wanted this to be the only "accomplishment" of "their" Senators when they voted for them in 2010. And in every other way these senators have settled into the culture of entitlement that the Tea Party was brought about to change.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 05:31 PM
26. At #23 "Because basically Obamacare is Romneycare applied on the National Level."
RomneyCare and Karl Rowe eh?

I certainly hope you don't do anything that involves reasoning for a living especially if others depend on it in any meaningful way.
BTW just a hint; there is a "difference" between $hit and shinola.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on December 3, 2013 05:32 PM
27. There's another reason I forgot to mention.

Have you been to a lot of funerals lately?

Republican volunteers are just plain dying off. And there's not anyone to replace them. At least not the same diehard "bought the t-shirt" GOP=GOD type that the Republican Left has depended on for so long to "get to the back of the bus" and vote Lesser of two evils.

Gone are those who might have some feelings of fondness to the GOP from the Reagan Revolution. No, the people now are BUSH BABIES and many of those people are waking up from the "wouldn't be prudent" Nukeyal nightmares of two presidents who paved the path that the Democrats who came after used quite effectively to wreck America. We idolized Reagan, and perhaps that is why we stuck to the GOP so long. They don't idealize Bush. No they hate Obama but they 'don't miss him yet' when it comes to Bush's who gave us Supreme Court Justices like Roberts (who approved of Oromney care) and Federal Overeaches like No Child Left alone (which now has flowed so easily into Common Core).

NO, they see photos of Daddy Bush laughing it up with Billy Boy Clinton and they are figuring this "Wrestling Match" out. When everything is choreographed the only two parties are the Establishment and those of us looking in.

By the way, no one should be surprised by SPs silence regarding Hague's vote. They have always supported her despite a very despicable personal life (see DWI and Abuse of Police Officer, as well as financial problems with her campaign etc) and her quite leftist votes. Anyone who knows her voting record wouldn't be surprised. This just foreshadows a great GOP betrayal that will happen on the National level, if I have to guess probably March but perhaps before that regarding Shamasty.

They think they are going to betray the Grassroots on Shamasty literally months before the election and Conservatives are going to take it lying down and just hold their noses. Sorry, the type of Conservative who would hold their nose, more and more of them are lying down, in the ground. This new generation, they will stay home, or their bug out shelter, and will not go LOTE (Lesser of two evils).

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 05:56 PM
28. Democare.

Posted by: Independent Voter on December 3, 2013 06:02 PM
29. Over the years I have been right more than you have.

Just ask Senator McGavick or Governor McKenna, or either President McCain or President Romney. And, by the way the LIV they are going to blame the insurance companies for the problems we are seeing with the Obamacare rollout, and see the Democrats as saving them from these evil insurance companies.

Not right, not fair, but that's how it is. Republicans can't cut through the fog of the LIVs with the Republican Establishment always undercutting and muting any anti Oromneycare message that a few Republicans (yes there's a few of them that are indeed good although I can count them on one hand) try to get out.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 06:02 PM
30. You do know that Obamacare was MEANT to fail don't you all?

It's going to be how they justify Single Payer (ie total government control of healthcare).

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/time-choosing/2013/oct/25/obama-has-failed-designing-system-was-intended-fai/

Any call to "fix" Obamacare plays into the hands of this.

That's what makes the concept of "fix not fold" on Obamacare so dangerous on the part of the Republican establishment. That and it mutes opposition and the LIVs starts blaming the big bad insurance companies.

Senator McGavick should know better since he was once in the insurance business.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 06:08 PM
31. That's right, McGavick LOST that race.

Funny reading here before the election you would have thought he was a shoe in.

Somehow it never occurred to the Republican Elite in this state that an insurance executive wouldn't be like a real popular choice for the general public.

So, I guess this won't be the first time you underestimated the hatred the general public has for insurance companies. It may be unfair (you think life is fair??? but it will be quite easy for Obummer to transfer the ire the LIVs might have over Oromneycare to the insurance companies.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 06:22 PM
32. Steve Deace (no relation) is really, really smart.

http://stevedeace.com/steve-deace-live

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 06:24 PM
33. I used to think the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats was that the Democrats would take you off the cliff at 80 MPG and the Republicans will take you of the cliff at 40 MPG.

Now I think the difference is that the Democrats will take you over the cliff wearing a Ché tee shirt and the Republicans will take you over the cliff wearing a Business suit. Just a difference in style, not really in substance.

After all look at the so called American Chamber of Commerce. There's not an ounce of patriotism within them.

What good is "Buy American" if they are using imported foreigner to build their stuff while our unemployment continues to increase.

By the way, Steve Deace has another term for RINOS. Undocumented Democrats!

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 06:41 PM
34. Given a choice between a screwed-up website or a screwed-up war (i.e., Republicans have demonstrated they can't run anything either), I'll take the website.

Posted by: Lollygagging Lagomorph on December 3, 2013 07:05 PM
35. Steve,

Anyone paying attention knows that Obamacare was MEANT to fail and targeted to single payer but, Oromneycare is Obamacare and WHAT . . . anything is everything?
Paying attention you know that this is not persuasive. Romney's initiatives in Mass. had nothing to do with Obamacare success and Obamacare quite unlike the Massachusetts State (different from any national plan) plan is not about Healthcare but National power and socialism.

Obamacare success is a function of the wide-spread desire of Americans to be taken care of. When those morons who believe Obama would take care of them find they will no longer get anything for free they will change their minds. Politics (especially national) is about mass aggregates of individual interests' writ large and when the masses recognize they will lose their liberty, they will raise hell.

Watch and see.
I'm happily taking huge bets on this one.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on December 3, 2013 07:10 PM
36. @35 Wow! That's a mouthful! Of course, your line of reasoning equally applies to Socialist Security. You guys have been waiting 75 years for Socialist Security to collapse. You know, the big liberal Ponzi scheme? I bet 75 years from now you'll still be waiting.

Posted by: Hopscotching Hare on December 3, 2013 07:43 PM
37. Social Security payments are a tax levied by the government, ostensibly to fund retirement for older, retired workers. No one has any ownership interest in this system. However, it has turned into quick and easy funding for government spending over and above what is collected in corporate and personal income taxes. The sad part is that our government borrows even more to fund it's spending, whether it be on useless overseas wars or on wasteful social spending.

In short, we're in a mess!

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on December 3, 2013 07:50 PM
38. @37 What government spending would you eliminate? Be specific. (I have my own suggestion: Ethanol subsidies should be the first budget item to get axed.)

Posted by: Roger Rabbit on December 3, 2013 08:03 PM
39. Hopscotching Hare,

You consider Social Security a success? Please wise up (duh).

Democrat (not Republican) estimates establish that the transfer payment system that supports Social Security estimate that 2021 is the "very latest date the system will no longer be able pay their recipients unless a fundamental change in the SSI funding base is significantly modified." Given Obamacare and quantitative easing this is drastically (intentionally) accelerated. Take from one and give to another. THEFT

Stealing from people is one thing; hating facts is quite another. Failure is no model for a successful future.
If you care about facts, you are on the wrong side if this argument.

Hop along moron.

Posted by: Amused by Liberals on December 3, 2013 08:30 PM
40. Gosh, I wish I could take bets on this one. I know the House (no pun intended, I just mean the political establishment ie the politicians, lobbyists, political employees like aides and such, and the punduntry in the News media) all believe that we will see a slightly anti democrat year due to historical trends but I see it different.

I really believe it will be an anti-incumbent year and since most incumbents are republicans then it will hurt the Republicans the most. I am only talking about Federal Races but the RINO hunting might effect state races too depending on state, can't really talk "local dynamics" for other areas. In our own the "Tea Party Senators" that in the end basically became part of the establishment class in Olympia that they were elected to oppose, they basically one only with the lift of the Tea Party. They couldn't have won in a regular year which 2010 wasn't so they will see defeat this coming year when the tea party (which was never as partisan as the Republicans hoped) turn against them because they have come to represent what the tea party honestly opposes.

It's kind of sad that the only thing the tea party accomplished in this state was getting so called Marriage Equality. But that was the effect of their participation in the process even though I am pretty sure that wasn't their intent.

And they will make their intent clear in 2014 when they will make sure that the people that could only win with their help will now lose with the lost of that help and in many cases active opposition. Instead of changing the system "Tea Party Senators" embraced it mocking the people who got them there. Well, the Tea Party will not be mocked.

As for Hague. I am sure Bellevue knew what they were getting when they re-elected her. Bellevue really isn't as conservative as people think it is. Her betrayal only foretells a greater betrayal nationally next year that the Establishment I think really believes it can get away with, but really will be the death of the GOP. We don't remember Reagan. That's not where we got our political start. So we don't have the nostalgia for the GOP. We rather see them go the way of the Whigs.

http://townhall.com/columnists/stevedeace/2013/10/19/survival-is-a-strategy-n1726220/page/full

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 08:50 PM
41. Bruce @22 I wasn't stating that at all. If government stayed out we'd have better pricing and lower costs. But they say they needed to cover pre-existing condition ...so they shit our money into a website that we didn't need....if they are going to spend it....it would have been better to just give it to the people to subsidize their existing conditions. I don't agree with that, but it is a better use of our money.

Remember...gov isn't a charity....

Posted by: Dengle on December 3, 2013 09:10 PM
42. 38,

First, stop the empire. No more meddling in other countries' affairs. Shrink the military so as to create a force to defend the US, not Israel, South Korea or Japan. We've done enough to defend others.

Posted by: Ten Years After - Roger Rabbit is just a liberal progressive troll. on December 3, 2013 09:51 PM
43. Vote the way I want you to and I will vote you out of office.

May seem crazy, but it is a product of DC Craziness.

I just found out how Boenher is going to get Shammasty through.

He is going to wait until filing is all done (to minimize primary challengers). Then he is going to research Cooks Report which is what all the elite see as gospel win it comes to Congressional elections. In places where it looks like the Republican is in trouble then he is going to tell the Congressperson, vote against Shammesty. Hell, call me names. Say you want to stop those Evil DC insider so and so. If you want to have a photo of me with horns whatever.

But if the person is retiring or is in a safe district then Boehner will tell that Congressperson to vote for Shamesty.

So, look, if Shamesty passes, I really don't care how my Congressmember votes. If my congressmember doesn't vote for the immediate removal of Boehner, then talk and yeah, his vote is cheep.

Hell, that probably won't even work. These politicians think they are so cute with their little games, all their theater. If Shammesty passes, I don't care how my individual Congressman may have or haven't voted or the little speech he may or may have not given. This whole I love my Congressman it's the others they are the problem, that game has gone on too long.

After all, I don't "win" when my guy gets elected. I win when and if different public policy happens. So if Shammesty passes, I am out. I will not vote for you despite your "heroic fight against the DC elite" because I know ahead of time it was all choreographed. I have been at this game for 30 years of not more and I pretty well have figured out all your wrestling moves. I have seen your act before.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results. If the result is always heads they win tails I lose then you know I might as well not play.

You can say "good" but I am not alone. And I doubt you will get enough immigrants registered in time to vote for you and I doubt they would vote for you anyway even. They are going to be part of the Democrat's permanent majority.

With games like this, I am really all out of answers. The Elite thinks that we will just go along with this. They will be wrong. We will lose the House in 2014 mark my words (if Boehner is successful with passing Shamasty), and to me who votes what or all the theater around it will not mean one damn thing!

http://www.quorumreport.com/Quorum_Report_Daily_Buzz_2013/sources_boehner_tells_texas_business_interests_tha_buzziid21292.html

With all the people dropping out of the Republican party (like me and I am not alone) and all those who are dying and all those new voters who will not vote Republican even with Boehner's schemes I don't think the party will be around in another decade.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:03 PM
44. All Boehner needs is a handful or so of Republicans. All the Democrats will vote for it. So he can get that number from Republicans who are retiring and those in Safe Districts.

Hell, the rest it might even pump up support for them in the grassroots as they fight a valiant (albeit ultimately unsuccessful) fight against the whole of the DC establishment. Yeah, that's get those donation envelopes in.

Now, this, this may indeed work. Which is why as much as I care about my country, I have to be out. It's just too easy for politicians to find ways to deceive us, so harm us without really much recourse for us to rectify it. It's all theater. Or like many have said, pro Wresting. Remember during the 1980s there was that guy who dressed up like an Arab and taunted the audience, and there was like that wrestler who was a Soviet and all of that. And Andy Kauffman got in the the whole wrestling thing too. "I am from Hollywood and you people are not". Boo Boo, Hiss, Hiss!

Well wrestling that was entertainment, and if the Sheik (Real Name Ed Farhat born in Detriot) won or got a righteous thumping from a Wrestler wearing the Red, White and Blue, either way, that didn't effect whether my kids would be able to afford college, or will be able to live in a land of freedom. It didn't really matter one way or the other.

But this little wrestling match that Boehner has choreographed oh so well, it does matter. And there's nothing I can do about it. People will continue hating Congress but loving their Congressman (it's the other ones that are the problem) and just eating up the theater. "Bad guys" "Good guys". Rah Rah Rah. All the while not realizing that despite how many calls they might make to their Congressmember and even if your congressmember makes speeches against it, they are just for show. The Shammasty vote is just one big choreographed Wresting Match and it has been determined that this time The Sheik is going to win the day (But we will win eventually if you just continue to vote for us and give us money after all the vote was close).

http://www.quorumreport.com/Quorum_Report_Daily_Buzz_2013/sources_boehner_tells_texas_business_interests_tha_buzziid21292.html

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:28 PM
45. Congressmembers lie.

Of course they do everyone knows it. Kind of dumb even to state that because it is just so well known.

Your Congressman lies.

Not him. He's different. I have looked him in the eyes and he is telling me the truth. I just wish everyone was like him. It's the other Congressmembers who are the problem not him.

I think I am going to make up a bumpersticker saying "It's your Congressman too!".

Yeah, I am afraid this is going to work.

http://www.quorumreport.com/Quorum_Report_Daily_Buzz_2013/sources_boehner_tells_texas_business_interests_tha_buzziid21292.html

In professional wrestling, a heel (also known as a rudo in lucha libre) is a villain character.[1] Heels are the supposed "bad guys" in professional wrestling storylines.[2] They are typically opposed by a face (crowd favorite). Some tweeners (not explicitly regarded as good or bad) exhibit heel mannerisms. Heels are often portrayed as behaving in an immoral manner, breaking rules or otherwise taking advantage of their opponents outside the bounds of the rules of the match. Others do not (or rarely) break rules but instead exhibit unlikeable personality traits. No matter the type of heel, the most important job is that of the antagonist role. Heels exist to provide a foil to the face wrestlers. If a given heel is cheered over the face, a promoter may opt to turn that heel to face, or to make the wrestler do something even more despicable to encourage heel heat.

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:35 PM
46. Hiring people who have worked for politicians of the "opposite" party on your staff. Boehner choreographing the Shammesty to allow Congressmembers in contested district to speak out and vote against it while those in safe districts give him the votes to pass it.

I hope I have shown how it is really just one party out there. The Incumbent party or the Power Party whatever you want to call it.

But then again, most of you probably don't believe that Pro Wrestling is fake either.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1625/is-professional-wrestling-for-real

"I am from Hollywood and you aren't." Boo! Boo! Hiss! Hiss!

You should at least see the Andy Kaufmann Biography movie "Man in the Moon". He was more than just that funny foreign guy on "Taxi".

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:45 PM
47. What do you mean it's fake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9u8x0Xrj4A

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:50 PM
48. They need to have this show for Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSa30muNDn0

Boehner is going to be the "Booker"

And the heel will be Republican Congressmen in Safe Districts and those who are retiring.

Those in contested districts will play the role of the "hero" or the "baby" (as in baby face or clean cut). They will get to vote the right way and Conservatives will applaud them for it and maybe donate all the more because of it.

And Shamnesty will pass. And there's nothing we can do about it.

Same as it always was...

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:56 PM
49. The Ref is in on it...

Obvious analogy, the courts, the legal infrastructure.

As we have seen in the voting fraud cases in Washington State or how Judge Roberts called Obamacare Constitutional.

The analogies just write themselves here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNp94gE85WU

Posted by: Steve on December 3, 2013 11:59 PM
50. "Outsiders"

I guess the analogy could be to like "Independent Reporters" who print things on the bequest of politicians. These "Outsiders" are really insiders who are as part of the system and protect the system just as much as the politicians (wrestlers) do. Funny how the New York Times "just happened" to print this article at a key time or asked this question on the Sunday Morning show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5coR2dF0Pk

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:04 AM
51. But they are all bleeding at the end...

I guess this kind of is the question "don't they really hate each other."

Well, perhaps, but most often it is just for show. They are often very close friends and political allies despite belonging to different political parties. What's important to them as it is with wrestlers is that they are Colleagues and together they protect the system from the Barbarians at the Gates (ie You).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEvwpuqHWW4

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:09 AM
52. The usual crap from Bruce and tensor. Still changing the subject and obfuscating. The site has major well documented security problems. And here you can read about the missing back ends for insurers. These are not trivial problems. We are $600 mil in, and that is before we know the cost of the last month of scrambling, and no doubt throwing a lot of money at the site to get it even remotely workable. So probably near a billion when all is said and done.

What a waste.

Posted by: Leftover on December 4, 2013 12:19 AM
53. Sometimes, rarely but sometimes, just like Wrestlers, Politicians will tell people that "it's all fake".

Here's a politician who spend his whole campaign (in a truck) speaking in the harshest of terms against government healthcare plans like Obamacare (and you thought I wasn't being relevant).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98

Translation. Forget all the crap I said during the campaign. That was just me trying to win an election (he probably returned the truck that night too). I didn't mean any of it. I can totally be moved on Obamacare.

See, it's all a game to them. It's not to us, but it is to them. And it is us who pays the price.

I don't know what to do any more. I haven't the answer with Boehner being the "Booker" as he is going to be with Shamesty and you know the Republican Elite is going to cave to Obamacare too.

There's really no point to voting. If there was... they would fix that (remember the ref is in on it too).

I don't know what I can do to convince people "it's yours too". I guess it is always going to be Congress (an abstract entity) is bad, but my Congresmember is good.

I can hope Next year will be different and part of me thinks it could be especially if a lot of people challenge incumbents in the primary. The fewer safe districts the harder it will be for Boehner to find "heels" to take a fall. Only if Republican Congressmembers have challengers will Boehner not be successful in passing Shamasty. And then with that victory we can go repeal (not fix) Obamacare.

I am hopeful, but not very, if you could catch that in some inconstancy. It can be a Republican year but only if we have strong primary challenges. I don't think we will, but I would LOVE to once be wrong.

I will only vote in the Primary. And if my candidate doesn't win, I will not vote in the general. I am not going to vote for an incumbent even a "baby" aka hero especially if Shamasty gets passed.

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:27 AM
54. Leftover "who cares". I mean really I think I spent the first ten years of my political participation discussing the "merits of the case" but I realized that the politicians couldn't care less about the merits of the issues. It's a total waste of time and effort. It's not going to change their position at all.

Their position is influenced by two things and one of them isn't the merits of the issues. They are votes and money. Money (donations) being the stronger of the two.

This is how DC works

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:33 AM
55. The part of the movie I liked (but can't find the exact video for) was when one person asked him his position on something (this was like an elder politician) and he said he didn't have one and asked what position should he have.

The other politician said it didn't matter. If he had one position he could get money from one group and if he had the other position he could get money from the other group. So really it was just them playing us off each other.

Gosh, if Obamacare was just like repealed someday then the Republicans couldn't send anymore fundraiser leaders about repealing Obamacare could they. Republicans Love having Obamacare as an issue to get donations for their supposed "fight against".

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:40 AM
56. Of course I mean every politician except yours, Leftover act that way. It's the others who are bad, not yours.

Vote Jeff Johnson, the name you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1B5yaoJyU

Posted by: Steve on December 4, 2013 12:47 AM