November 11, 2012
Veterans Day Open Thread

Here's my own by now traditional post for this day.

(I fear that it will annoy our resident leftists.)

Posted by Jim Miller at November 11, 2012 04:28 PM | Email This
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1. Why on earth would progressives be annoyed by Veteran's Day? Progressives fight for this country. And haven't you been reading your own (un)SP comment threads, Mr. Miller? It's your own uber-patriots like Ms. Rags, now all gloom and doom, selling stocks and going all bunkerish because some right-of-center candidate won re-election to the presidency, who are bailing on America.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 11, 2012 04:53 PM
2. Your inability to write anything new does not surprise anyone; likewise your inveterate blog-whoring. Either or both may annoy your rightist readers, desperately aching as they are now for any new ray of hope.

Watching the NFL's "Salute To Service" today, I saw faces in uniform from every ethnicity and community in America. How many voted for a guy who refused to serve in the war he'd supported?

Posted by: tensor on November 11, 2012 05:05 PM
3. From Mr. Miller's blog,

"For some time I have been wondering whether we are seeing more military (or ex-military, in this case) scandals because many military men don't respect Obama."

So you wonder, huh? So you wonder whether or not our military is so weak-willed that they'd all have extramarital affairs because you think they don't respect the president? What do you think your own so obviously weak-willed, already-bailing-on-America readers will do with their disrespect for the president?? If you think that the strong become weak at the thought of Obama, what does that say of your opinion of the plight of the terminally weak RickyD or Ms. Rags? You must expect far worse than affairs from the likes of them.

A statement such as yours reveals much about you, Miller, but nothing about our nation's military, nor our president. It's your will that's weak, Miller, and you project that on our nation's military. Shame on you.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 11, 2012 06:11 PM
4. Wingnut Michael Graham to Fox News drone, Megyn Kelly.

"He (Obama)ran on the Republicans are Satan incarnate and if women vote for them, they're going to be forced into rape camps," the radio host insisted. "And when that's your campaign, you can't be surprised when the people you ran against don't want to work with you and you don't have an issue to rally people around."

Rape camps? LMFAO!! That's gonna be your excuse for not working with the president to solve our nation's problems? First FEMA camps and now rape camps?? You people really are batshit insane. Heh. Doctor Steve can help you with that. Think pills, voltage and current.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 11, 2012 06:43 PM
5. Too funny. Yeah, you wingnuts love America, alright.

Hey, Miller, your America-lovin' peeps are bailing on America. You might want to get with the program and do some bailing yourself.

http://now.msn.com/15-states-start-petitons-to-leave-the-usa

"It's either the political theater equivalent of a hissy fit or the start of more than a dozen new countries: Citizens in 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States after Tuesday's election."

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 11, 2012 06:55 PM
6. Video: Ronald Reagan's Veterans Day Tribute

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on November 11, 2012 08:12 PM
7. Doctor Steve is making stuff up. Your demagoguery is bullcrap. Obama's military policies in his first term were indistinguishable from Bush/Cheney policies. Bush had previously negotiated us to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, so Obama merely executed the agreement made by Bush, but he announced to the world- not too bright, as in came the insurgents.

Who is Michael Graham - some fringe rightwing kook ? You probably took him out of context anyway as you lib progs love to do, besides the fact he is irrelevant. Megan Kelly is a smart reporter and is fair and balanced. Certainly more professional than Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews or any of the talking heads on MSNBC - the Al Jazzera - America network.

Posted by: KDS on November 11, 2012 10:49 PM
8. "Doctor Steve is making stuff up."

LMFAO!! Project much? It's a Psych 101 thing, KDS. For a small fee, Doctor Steve can help you with that.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 11, 2012 11:14 PM
9. Jim, why can't you just express your appreciation to veterans like me, without throwing in a political dig? You can have this particular "thank you" back. I don't need it.

Posted by: Roger Rabbit on November 12, 2012 02:25 AM
10. Veterans: THANK YOU! :)

Posted by: Duffman on November 12, 2012 05:35 AM
11. @9
Indeed.
We need to thank them, together and without rancor.
Thank you, Roger.

Posted by: Dr. Liberal on November 12, 2012 07:39 AM
12. An oversight by Jim, Thank you veterans for serving this country and your sacrifice !

Posted by: KDS on November 12, 2012 09:08 AM
13. Heartfelt thanks and gratitude to those who have served, especially the ones who made the final sacrifice.

Posted by: Burdabee on November 12, 2012 10:08 AM
14. I predict that voter fraud will be found at least several swing states within the next two years, probably enough to trigger a recount in Florida and possibly in Ohio or Virginia. As usual, a majority of the illegal votes will be Democrat votes.

As for the Philadephia precincts that voted 19.605 Obama and 0 Romney, there is voter fraud written all over it, but alas not enough to change PA. Voter ID required is necessary to curb this loss of integrity in elections. Sorry, the fact is at this time, we are no better than Ukraine or Venezuela for having free elections. White House corruption will be the norm for the next four years - possibly longer thanks to progressivism run amuck.

Posted by: KDS on November 12, 2012 11:11 PM
15. I predict that voter fraud will be found at least several swing states within the next two years, probably enough to trigger a recount in Florida and possibly in Ohio or Virginia.

Since Obama won many more electoral votes than found in those states, um, WTF was your point, again?

What is the date by which, if no such fraud is found, you will admit error? Or will you follow the sterling example of this web site, which, as an avatar of the Party of Personal Responsibility, has yet to admit it got everything about the 2004 (!) Governor's race wrong?

As for the Philadephia precincts that voted 19.605 Obama and 0 Romney, there is voter fraud written all over it,

Fox News flash: urban voters of color reject rich white guy. Nobody could have predicted!

Not that I expect any of the posters here, or their peanut gallery of useful idiots, to understand this, but here it goes: your losing an election is not evidence the election was rigged. (This goes double when pretty much every poll predicted you'd lose.)

Voter ID required is necessary to curb this loss of integrity in elections.

Or we could make election fraud a felony. (Wait...)

Sorry, the fact is at this time, we are no better than ... Venezuela for having free elections.

So, we're going to back a failed coup against ourselves? How are we to do that, without a Republican Administration to so humiliate us?

Posted by: tensor on November 13, 2012 12:25 AM
16. "As for the Philadephia precincts that voted 19.605 Obama and 0 Romney, there is voter fraud written all over it ... Voter ID required is necessary to curb this loss of integrity in elections."

Um, how would voter ID result in more people voting for Romney? Even if 10% of the votes in those precincts were fraudulent (and you have provided no evidence that a single vote was), that would still make those precincts 17,644 to 0.

You have provided no evidence of either a real problem or a real solution to an imaginary problem.

Posted by: Bruce on November 13, 2012 12:38 AM
17. The "real problem" is that on Tuesday, Republicans got drubbed both nationwide, and far down on the tickets. Theirs was a crushing defeat at all levels, one which marks a generational change in the United States. The "real solution" is to caterwaul that this was all illegitimate, the results of "distributed voter fraud" (in the half-clever phrase of another self-appointed political genus at this site), and to claim that having working-class voters of color reject a rich white heir is somehow inherently suspect.

In other news, Judge Bridges declared, "You're all a bunch of pathetic, deluded morons," leading to 1,238 consecutive blog posts here attempting to 'explain' what he *really* meant.

Posted by: tensor on November 13, 2012 01:06 AM
18. Salute to the Veterans!

Posted by: click here on November 13, 2012 01:35 AM
19. What is the date by which, if no such fraud is found, you will admit error?

12th of Never!

Simple answers to simple questions. You're welcome, tensor.

Posted by: scottd on November 13, 2012 06:31 AM
20. Only 1 apparent word of thanks out of 13 trash-posts from our leftist friends says volumes.

Posted by: a belated Thanks! on November 13, 2012 07:26 AM
21. This country is headed down the wrong path under the prevailing leadership of the Democrat party, which promoting cultural racism, division and the wrong policies fit for statist-big government nanny state countries. If you liberal progressives think you are on the right track by continuation of these programs and policies, you are in for a rude awakening starting with the next elections.

The GOP must find candidates and leaders that resonate the correct policies and counter the pro-union, special interest Democrat ideas that belittle the individual. The electorate does not yet grasp this succinctly, but given the right messengers, they will. It's just a matter of time and it may come sooner than later if the economy gets worse in 2013.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual - put that in your pipe and smoke it with whatever else you choose to smoke with it.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 09:43 AM
22. I would not be completely transparent if I didn't say that the opposition party or GOP absolutely needs a makeover and possibly a name change and a change in agenda, like reaching out more to women, Hispanics, Blacks and the middle class.

Until some inroads are made on these issues, I am independent and feel disenfranchised from the GOP in its present state, as well as being stridently opposed by the policies trotted out by the Democrat Party.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 10:07 AM
23. I would not be completely transparent if I didn't say that the opposition party or GOP absolutely needs a makeover and possibly a name change and a change in agenda, like reaching out more to women, Hispanics, Blacks and the middle class.

Until some inroads are made on these issues, I am independent and feel disenfranchised from the GOP in its present state, as well as being stridently opposed by the policies trotted out by the Democrat Party.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 10:07 AM
24. @21 "you are in for a rude awakening starting with the next elections."

Isn't that just more of the same of what you said before the last election?

What information is it you have that the rest of the electorate does not have? Is it your opinion? Somebody else's opinion you read?

I don't think you have any relevant information. From your posts you appear to be an unhinged commenter making predictions about things you know next to nothing about.

Posted by: observer on November 13, 2012 11:55 AM
25. @24 - You are obviously an leftwing extremist living in a bubble and have nothing new to offer in rebuttal - just empty rhetoric. There is no change from the Democrat party since the election about this, just a delay in moving forward. I wish that weren't the case as I am open to new ideas, but you have NONE. I have yet to hear you offer anything constructive.

Scoff at it at your own peril... buh-bye

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 12:15 PM
26. If you read carefully, you will notice that I pointed out why the Republican Party was ineffectual in the last election. A healthy republic cannot survive with one-party rule. If that occurs, it becomes an unhealthy and oppressed quasi-dictatorship. Everyone has the choice to either uphold it or as so many leftists do, be complacent out of their own pride and stupidity.

Meanwhile, the Democrats are cocky and often hate-filled toward those with differing views. BTW- the Republicans hold 30 governorships - these people must be doing something correctly.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 12:33 PM
27. "If you read carefully, you will notice that I pointed out why the Republican Party was ineffectual in the last election."

Well, let's just see what you said.

"The GOP must find candidates and leaders that resonate the correct policies and counter the pro-union, special interest Democrat ideas that belittle the individual. The electorate does not yet grasp this succinctly, but given the right messengers, they will."

So in a nutshell, you're saying that your candidates suck.

I'll play half-way serious for a moment and discuss just one reason why your problem isn't with your candidates not being good "messengers" as though you're only awaiting "The One" to arrive.

Your party pandered to racists throughout the first Obama administration. Try to understand that racism begins as a belief system before it becomes offensive acts. For the last four years the right has been telling the American electorate and the rest of the world that the president of this nation, the leader of the free world, is a lazy, black, commie-fascist Muslim, a bad Christian and an America-hating, birth certificate-hiding, Kenyan jihadist. When did anybody here distance themselves from such insane rhetoric? Your presidential candidate even joked about it.

With eyes glazed from mindless Randroid worship and exaltation of greed and wealth you told us that corporations are people and that the minimum wage, union protests, and progressive taxation of a few percent is class warfare against the rich.

With eyes glazed from the mindless worship of the religious texts and laws of a bronze-age tribe you told American women that you would impose your religious beliefs on them and control their bodies to the point that you'd even force them to bear and raise a rapist's child.

It isn't that you didn't have the right messenger, KDS. It's that your message sucks. So do you.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 13, 2012 01:27 PM
28. Leftist Dimocrats now have the type of government and country they have long desired so let's all see what they do with it. There are now fewer living wage jobs available so even the well-educated and experienced have poor prospects for the future. Entrepreneurs and businessmen will be investing elsewhere in the world due to increased taxation and regulation in America. Obamacare ensures higher taxation and rationing of healthcare, further diminishing our quality of life. A growing, all-powerful government and a populace addicted to unearned entitlements will guarantee ever-increasing budget deficits. And with Obama at the helm don't look for anything to improve anytime soon. Just remember leftists, you asked (and voted) for it.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 13, 2012 01:48 PM
29. Quacks like "Doctor" Steve will one day wake up to realize it is Obama who "sucks", as it is he and his lunatic leftists that have sucked the economic and moral heart from this country, leaving us to the shared misery of despotic collectivism.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 13, 2012 02:01 PM
30. @26
You don't need to point out what was ineffectual in last week's election, but you did not do that in any case.

You specifically mentioned "possibly a name change and a change in agenda, like reaching out more to women, Hispanics, Blacks and the middle class."

The name change is just funny. New & Improved GOP! Now with more ????

Yes, apparently there needs to be changes in the Republican agenda towards women, Hispanics, Blacks and the middle class as the Republican party lost those segments of the population by historic margins.

What are the changes you think will be made?

Posted by: observer on November 13, 2012 02:15 PM
31. "Quacks like "Doctor" Steve will one day wake up to realize it is Obama who "sucks", as it is he and his lunatic leftists"

A most excellent whine! You've raised my hopes that I might soon see you reduced to posting psycho-laughs.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 13, 2012 02:34 PM
32. Conservative party or possibly Liberty party would be an improvement over Republican brand name, IMO.

Whatever changes they make is up to the so-called power brokers, some of whom have already strongly suggested changes - a nebulus question. I have no inside contacts, nor do the contributors of this blog to my knowledge.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 04:26 PM
33. This summarizes the outcome of the 2012 Presidential election. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Obama...




but to be fair, there is more to it than that as Thomas Sowell explains



Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 05:10 PM
34. The gist of the article is that Romney lost because he was too "nice". I encourage you to keep believing that as you'll just keep losing elections

"Now that Obama will be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices who can rubber stamp his evasions of the law and usurpations of power, this country may be unrecognizable in a few years as the America that once led the world in freedom, as well as in many other things."

A load of horseshit with absolutely nothing to back it up. He obviously wrote this piece knowing that a gullible, idiotic fools like you would eagerly lap it up. You obviously didn't disappoint.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 13, 2012 07:26 PM
35. Dr. Demented @ 1 sputtered: because some right-of-center candidate won re-election to the presidency...

That's hilarious. A socialist like Obama is called right of center by his fellow comrades who would prefer he go the route of Stalin rather than Lenin. Now that's really "leaning forward!".
Veteran's day this year is not nearly as special knowing we, as a country, are quickly losing our appreciation for their service, and for that matter, our personal freedoms.

Posted by: Rick D. on November 13, 2012 08:38 PM
36. And lest we forget about the scandal in Benghazi that the lamestream press are trying to keep the truth from being told to protect Obama. Obama lied and people (including veteran's) died in Benghazi; and he and his supporter's know it to be true.

Posted by: Rick D. on November 13, 2012 09:04 PM
37. "Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you."

I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes by F. Scott Fitzgerald: "Never confuse a single defeat with a final defeat."

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on November 13, 2012 09:45 PM
38. "Now that Obama will be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices who can rubber stamp his evasions of the law and usurpations of power, this country may be unrecognizable in a few years as the America that once led the world in freedom, as well as in many other things."

It certainly appears that way - we can only hope it won't happen and that only one liberal justice will retire in the next 4 years- time will tell.

"A load of horseshit with absolutely nothing to back it up. He obviously wrote this piece knowing that a gullible, idiotic fools like you would eagerly lap it up. You obviously didn't
disappoint. "

It has plenty to back it up and you know it. With all due respect, if you believe that crap you spewed, you are a tool of George Soros and are an a$$hole for writing garbage like that. Come to think of it, I don't care if you really believe it or were brainwashed or if you were sodomized when you were a child either, which would explain your mental illness.

Posted by: KDS on November 13, 2012 10:26 PM
39. It has plenty to back it up and you know it.

We'd better, because KDS has shown no interest in supplying this "backup," no matter how long and loud he hollers that it exists. Loser.

Posted by: tensor on November 14, 2012 12:14 AM
40. @9

Past military service isn't alone grounds for respect. You're now a burden to every citizen who values productivity over entitlement.

Posted by: Leftover on November 14, 2012 12:38 AM
41. Proof of leftist intent is inherent in what is already written in the history books as a result of the last four years. Among BHO's "accomplishment"s:

1. socialized healthcare w/huge tax increases
2. $6T in deficit spending over 4 years
3. millions of lost jobs
4. huge increases in the size and regulatory power of government
5. $1T in unearned entitlement (welfare) payments in FY 2012
6. a foreign invasion due to increasingly wide open borders
7. new anti-American, terrorist-backed governments in Eqypt and Lybia
8. two new undistinguished, unqualified leftist activists on our supreme court
9. hundreds (if not thousands) of automatic weapons sold by elements of our "Justice" Department to Mexican drug cartels
10. four Americans, including an ambassador, murdered by terrorists while our White House watches on TV (lies and excuses at 11)
11. 50% cut in new oil drilling permits while gasoline and diesel more than double in price
12. no Keystone pipeline although approved by multiple environmental studies
13. Senate (Harry Reid) blocks every budget submitted by US House. Obama budgets yearly receive zero votes in congress
14. trillions of $$$ printed with no backing, leading to severely devalued dollar and subsequent inflation
15. hundreds of billions wasted in "crony capitalist", "green energy" scams
16. billions squandered to "save" GM and Chrysler, while handing much of their asset value to unions (in deference to bond holders)
17. 15% (or more) unemployed

Yet a dumbed-down, handout-addicted majority, aided by leftist media cheerleaders, demand more of the same. Be careful what you vote for, idiots, you may just get what you want.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 14, 2012 07:58 AM
42. @41
Right on, Salty - that's it, let your freak flag fly!!

1. Good, but that Heritage-Foundation/Republican retread ACA didn't go nearly far enough - but it's a start!!
2. Deficits ALWAYS grow faster under Republicans, and annual deficit has consistently gotten smaller under Obama.
3. More jobs created during FIRST Obama admin than all of Bush II.
4. Not true. See left rag here: http://www.businessinsider.com/size-of-the-federal-workforce-under-obama-2011-7
5. Nowhere near that number, unless you're calling Social Security and Medicare 'welfare' - and you might just be crazy enough to do that.
6. Do you refer to Mexican immigration. It's down to nonexistant, fool. See here: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/
7. And we get to decide how those people pick their government? Freedom for us, but not for them?
8. Just laughable. Both far more qualified and distinguished than Scalia II, er, whatshisname, oh, yeah, Clarence Thomas.
9, 10, 15. The desperate search for a scandal continues....
11. Would be excellent, were it only true.
12. EXCELLENT!!
13. When the Teahaddists in the House find sanity....
14. Inflation? Nonexistant. Devalued dollar? Better for trade. Been sliding since Bush II. That's Obama fault, too?
16. Excellent. Thriving automotive and support industries, people at work. Romney lost Ohio and Michigan. Unions doing well. What's not to love?
17. Yup, agree. Big problem. Solution? Massive government spending - tax the rich, borrow at low rates, build cool stuff that will pay dividends for decades - simple conservative business plan, borrow for sane capital investments, not useless Republican wars and Republican tax cuts, that lead to Republican Depressions.

It seems you have far fewer problems than you think!! Good, no?

Come on, join us!!

Posted by: Dr. Liberal on November 14, 2012 08:47 AM
43. Tensor -

" KDS, here's several related facts for you, since you seem wholly uninterested in supplying any yourself:"

No, Tensor - they are your ASS-umptions. You have no evidence at this time. Stop lieing.

"(1) Voting is a right, not a privilege. Laws which could be used to restrict that right therefore need strong evidentiary support;"

In your own mind only. Wrong, voting is a privilege of being a citizen. You are careless with your ASS-umptions or you lie to placate other progressives here - mob mentality.

"(2) Your side getting beaten like a cheap drum, back and forth across the entire country, up and down all of the tickets, does not, in and of itself, constitute ANY of the evidence required by point (1);"

Actually Republicans gained in both houses of the State Legislature. There are now 30 states with Republican Governors, so you are wrong on those counts. My evidence for my opinion in 1) is the Constitution - read it for a change and stop perpetrating your progressivist lies. The burden of proof is on you.

"(3) Your bitter resentment at seeing all eight of your swing-state predictions proven laughably wrong also DOES NOT COUNT toward point (1);"

Again, you are spouting nonsense. It was the conservative pundits - including Rasmussen (in some cases) that were wrong. Explain why you think it has anything to do with (1).

"(4) Felons were found to have cast illegal votes in our 2004 election for governor. Nobody at this blog demanded further punishment for this illegal voting. That alone told everyone what the caterwauling about "voter fraud" here really meant;"

You should know there were found to be voting irregularities in King County, such as over 1,700 more votes counted than voters. Mr. Sharkansky researched this thoroughly and this information is contained in archives of this blog - in 2005. Out of those 1,700 votes, we will never know if those votes would have been enough to change the winner. We agree to disagree on speculation.

"(5) The only candidate in (4) who did NOT receive illegal votes from felons was the only candidate here accused of having received such votes. That told us how reliable such accusations here really are."

Are speaking of Gregoire ? Correct - the Democrats gave 4 signed affadavits to the judge that claimed that they were felons and voted for Rossi. So, those 4 votes were deducted from Rossi's total and the spread went from 129 to 133.


Posted by tensor

Posted by: KDS on November 14, 2012 09:54 AM
44. I deleted this comment because it didn't pass my "family friendly" test. - Jim M.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 14, 2012 09:58 AM
45. @42 - 3. More jobs created during FIRST Obama admin than all of Bush II.

Show your math.

Bureau of Labor Statistics

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 14, 2012 10:03 AM
46. Apparently lies hold more weight than truth, Jim?

Posted by: Saltherring on November 14, 2012 01:06 PM
47. Tensor & Dr. Lib-Prog; your arguments have fallen apart like a house of cards. It's not the first time it has happened and it won't be the last.

@45 - Dr. Lib-prog is math challenged, but is versed in lieing with statistics.

Posted by: KDS on November 14, 2012 03:13 PM
48. .
KDS, SouthernRoots & Saltherring

Tears of Impotent Rage - Drink All You Want. There's plenty more.

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Posted by: 2daydiet on November 14, 2012 06:39 PM
50. tensor - where's your response to @43 ? You are spouting too much out of your asshat. You are jousting at windmills and defending the indefensible when you try to justify voter fraud. You are unhinged as other libtards, most notably Dr. Libtard and Steve. MIke BS is your comic relief.

Posted by: KDS on November 14, 2012 10:59 PM
51. @45
I was wrong when I wrote "More jobs created during FIRST Obama adman than all of Bush II"

I stand corrected.

I was thinking of this when I wrote that, but made an erroneous statement.

A more correct statement would have been, "More PRIVATE SECTOR jobs created under first Obama admin than comparable point in Bush II. Far more PUBLIC SECTOR jobs created under Bush."

mea culpa

Posted by: Dr. Liberal on November 15, 2012 07:41 AM
52. Action : Consequences

You built that!

The Obama Economy: Layoffs And Closures: November 15, 2012

Oh yes, YOU did indeed build that!

Continue to gloat.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on November 15, 2012 09:35 AM
53. The Obama Economy: Layoffs And Closures: November 15, 2012

But,but,but...what happened to all that Hope and change that gullible voter's sucked down so greedily the 2nd time around? I guess reality doesn't work that well in Obama Zombieland.

Posted by: Rick D. on November 15, 2012 10:35 AM
54. Think Progress is leftwing think tank and they don't always show their work either. The article you linked to didn't link to BLS, it linked to other Think Progress articles, twitters, and other articles. After going through some link chains, they finally linked back to BLS. Sloppy.

When you talk of public sector jobs, are you referring to only Federal jobs, or are you including State and Local governments as well?

Bush and Obama should have control only over the Federal numbers.

In Bush's first term, Federal jobs dropped by 25,000. In Obama's first term (through Aug 2012 because Sept and Oct are projections), Federal jobs (excluding the Census spike) increased by 18,000. The overall increase in Federal jobs for both of Bush's two terms was 24,000.

The bulk of the Public Sector jobs added (>95%) under Bush was in State and Local governments.

The bulk of the Public Sector jobs lost (>95%) under Obama was in State and Local governments.

With Obamacare and other laws going into effect in 2013, Obama's second term will surely increase the level of Federal Jobs.

The low point of Private sector employment under Bush was just under 136 million. From that point (Jan 2002) through Jan 2009, 6.48 million jobs were added.

The low point of Private sector employment under Obama was just under 138 million. From that point (Dec 2009) through Oct 2012, 5.42 million jobs were added.

Ironically, Bush's private sector job growth slowed dramatically in Jan 2007 and continued to drop from there.

Bureau of Labor Statistics

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 10:44 AM
55. Emerging from yet another Obama-inspired anxiety attack, Rags sez, "Continue to gloat."

No problem. You lost. You lost BIG. You'll continue to lose. You deserve to lose.

I started at the top of your link and worked my way down, looking a little deeper than the krazed wingnut summary so obviously tailored to push your oh-so-easily-pushed buttons. Is this really worth your inhabiting a padded cell, Rags?

"GE Healthcare can confirm that it is looking at ways to streamline its structure and reduce costs through different ways, including removing duplication and layers in the organization. This will reduce complexity, speed up decision making and help us become more accessible for our customers. Taking these actions will position GE Healthcare well for 2013 and beyond."

"Dahlgren's in Crookston could be laying off around a dozen of its 100 employees. The company processes roasted sunflowers and soybeans for snack food. Manager, Brandie Streiff tells Valley News Live that the layoffs are the result of losing a major customer."

"American Cotton Growers has announced the layoff of 110 employees at the Littlefield facility.
According to Katelyn Karney, communications manager for Plains Cotton Cooperative Association, changes are being made to ACG's production schedule in order to better match the facilities capacity to the current market in denim. "The overall denim market is down, which is causing a decrease in our production," said Karney."

"PotashCorp is temporarily laying off workers at mines in Saskatchewan and New Brunswick because of a slump in demand. However, chief executive Bill Doyle said at the time that he expects demand to pick up next year."

"Declining third quarter sales forced layoffs at Timken Co., and more temporary layoffs will be coming in December. The Timken Co. for the second time this year steeled investors for full-year sales and earnings in 2012 to be less than previous forecasts but called it a temporary dip and expects the economy to rebound in 2013."

"St. Lawrence County, NY, to cut 30 jobs"

"Illinois Tool Works, ITW's parent company, announced a change in strategies and its decision to phase out operations in Florida earlier this year, according to the Worker Adjustment & Retraining Notification notice filed with the state on Wednesday. ITW's functions will be relocated to Ohio and Connecticut."

"Promark Research announced the closure Tuesday. An attorney for the Texas-based company claims the layoffs are the result of President Barack Obama's reelection. KIDK reports most of the call center's efforts were focused on collecting polling data for the Romney campaign, and officials hoped a win for Romney would extend their contracts."

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 11:31 AM
56. What was the source of Rag's anxiety? What was it that RickyD swallowed hook, line and sinker as something to whine about?

Consolidation, streamlining, losing a customer, fashion, forecasts of a better economy in 2013, 30 public sector jobs, relocation and Romney's failed campaign.

The only one blaming Obama was the last one, and they lost their jobs not because of Obama, but because Romney's campaign sucked.

Odd, it was, how I didn't see anything on the wingnut site about how Bain shipping jobs to China resulted in more American jobs lost in November than all of the above.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 11:44 AM
57. Department of Labor

In the week ending November 10, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 439,000, an increase of 78,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 361,000. The 4-week moving average was 383,750, an increase of 11,750 from the previous week's revised average of 372,000.

State Change State Supplied Comment
PA +7,766 Layoffs in the construction, transportation, manufacturing, and the food and beverage manufacturing industries.

OH +6,450 Layoffs in the automobile and manufacturing industries.

Apparently, there are larger numbers out there.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 12:17 PM
58. I just did a quick search on Indeed.com. In the Seattle area there's over 5,000 jobs available in IT support, 1,600 jobs available for architects, over 800 for electrical engineers, but only 45 for laborers. It's easy to get the impression that there really aren't very many jobs out there that uneducated, science-denying wingnuts are qualified to fill and how that may be the real source of Rag's anxieties. You all might have a better outlook on life if you had job skills for the 21st century.

President Obama wants to help you with that. Alas, the Republican leadership prefers you dumbed down, angry and bitter and you fall for it. It's a crying shame, really, as I believe you deserve better than that.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 12:18 PM
59. 58. I just did a quick search on Indeed.com. In the Seattle area there's over 5,000 jobs available in IT support, 1,600 jobs available for architects, over 800 for electrical engineers, but only 45 for laborers.

Do the number of openings mean that the State doesn't have enough of the people with these skill sets available to fill these slots?

What does it say about our Democrat run education system that it apparently doesn't produce enough highly skilled workers to fill these openings?

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 12:26 PM
60. 2.3% Medical Device tax to kick in in January 1st.

"Without action from Congress, implementation of the medical device tax will cost our economy thousands of high paying jobs," MITA executive director Gail Rodriguez said in prepared remarks. "These job losses will directly impact patient access to the most advanced, life-saving medical technologies available."
The fly-in includes executives more than 50 executives from members of the medtech lobbying groups, who will will present lawmakers with a call to action with more than 800 signatures, representing "hundreds of thousands of medical technology jobs," according to a press release.
The letter includes support from physician groups, venture capital firms and other organizations asking the Senate to repeal the 2.3% levy on medical device sales, which device makers will start paying in at the start of next year.
"This damaging tax will force job cuts and investments in tomorrow's treatments and cures," AdvaMed president & CEO Stephen Ubl said in prepared remarks. "Continued medical innovation is key to driving public health gains by reducing costs associated with chronic diseases like diabetes and obesity and catalyzing economic growth through healthier more productive people and by creating high quality manufacturing jobs. Simply put healthier lives mean healthy economies."


From Politico

This innovation tax also targets an American manufacturing sector created by companies choosing to locate in the United States even as markets grow beyond our borders. ... The U.S. accounts for 40 percent of the global medical technology market. We have a $5.4 billion trade surplus because American workers create high-tech, top-quality medical devices...
And yet, this tax threatens these gains. At least three studies have estimated the tax will cost tens of thousands of jobs -- by one estimate as many as 43,000 jobs.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 12:37 PM
61. "What does it say about our Democrat run education system that it apparently doesn't produce enough highly skilled workers to fill these openings?"

Um, that the children of flat-earthers aren't being adequately prepared for the jobs of the 21st century?

What do all those high paying jobs in this commie-fascist state say about about the leadership of 30 years of commie-fascist governors? That they created the environment for lots of great jobs?

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 01:29 PM
62. Yeah, Obama is the problem. Sure thing, Skippy.

Imagine how many more jobs in the medical device industry would be available if you were only willing to work for 80% less than you do now. Maybe the CEO's of those companies would quit shipping your jobs to China. Oh, wait, the workers in China are now making too much money and receive too many benefits. So now the CEO's you worship are shipping your jobs to Vietnam and Cambodia. But it's all Obama's fault, of course, that you refuse to work for Cambodian wages and benefits.

http://www.mpo-mag.com/articles/2012/05/asias-continued-manufacturing-evolution

Everyone knows the big reason for lower manufacturing costs in China is inexpensive labor.

"Labor rates can be up to 60 to 80 percent lower in China compared to the U.S.," said Joe Horvath, president of Allentown, Pa.-based Sanbor Medical, which has operated in China since 1993.
However, this cost advantage has shrunk since the passage of a 2008 labor law that gave more rights to blue-collar workers.

"Wages and benefits in China have increased by 25 percent over two years," said Ames Gross, president of Pacific Bridge Medical, a Bethesda, Md.-based consulting firm that assists medical companies in Asia.

Although China continues to be a country of choice for offshoring it is not always the lowest-cost location anymore.

"Some companies that make low-cost commodity products like rubber gloves, gauze and drainage bags are moving to Vietnam, India, Indonesia and Cambodia," said Gross. "Companies that make more complex products will stay in China for quality reasons."

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 01:47 PM
63. Dr. Steve, In your rush to take pot shots (pun?) at those who disagree with you, you come up with wild levels of idiocy.

Seattle is heavily Democrat. I would expect that their children share their beliefs. So it would be reasonable to assume that the student population in the Seattle area is highly Democrat and not "flat-earthers".

Why are these children from Democrat families not graduating with the skill sets to fill all of these 21st century openings you mentioned?

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 01:48 PM
64. "Why are these children from Democrat families not graduating with the skill sets to fill all of these 21st century openings you mentioned?"

Democrats? I'm talking about the nearly 40% of those who live in King County who voted for McKenna, the 51% in Pierce and the 48% in Snohomish. That's an awful lot of flat-earthers not preparing their kids for high-tech jobs, don't you think?

Your point was what?

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 02:23 PM
65. @64 Per your definition, the flat-earther children would be competing only for those 45 laborer jobs.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 02:49 PM
66. @62. Fine. Demand that American workers take pay cuts to keep your favorite products made here and competitively priced. Failing that, demand that every country in the world be subject to US labor laws.

Failing that, don't buy anything not made in the US. Dump your iPods, iPads, Mac's, PC's, Laptops, tablet's, TV's, iPhones, cell phones, electric motors, batteries, solar panels, etc., etc.

Refuse to use any goods or services that themselves use foreign made products.

Maybe after you've worked through all of the above, you'll be ready to have a rational discussion about business.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 03:02 PM
67. .
Why oh why are so many prominent Republicans siding with the moochers over the man who could have been president, Mitt Gifts! Romney?

Mitt states what YOU know to be the truth about the terrible moochers surprisingly stealing his election, and they come at him.

Sen (R-FL) Marco Rubio, Sen (R-NH) Kelly Ayotte, Reagan-era strategist Ed Rogers, Iowa Republican Gov. Terry Branstad, Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, and even lovable LA Republican Gov Bobby Jindal pulled out their long knives and denied that the only way Romney got beaten by the Black Socialist Kenyan Usurper was because of the gifts he bestowed on the moochers.

Mittenfreude- the pleasure derived from the misfortunes of Mitt Romney and those who believe(d) and/or support(ed) him

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on November 15, 2012 05:14 PM
68. "flat-earther children would be competing only for those 45 laborer jobs"

Pretty much.

"Fine. Demand that American workers take pay cuts to keep your favorite products made here and competitively priced."

Besides missing the point, that's an idiotic statement because that's what the Galtian Lords you worship are already doing. Rather than see the third world worker elevated, they want to see the American worker taken down a few notches. And you're dumb enough to cheerlead and exalt them as they do it.

You were whining over some small percentage levy without regard to the bigger picture. Maybe the levy isn't a great idea, but getting you freed of the fear that has a grip on you is a much bigger problem.

Take Rags for example. Stoked with fear over some right-wing website misleading her about Obama job losses, she passed it along here as fact. I say she did that out of baseless fear. Believe me, I'm far, far less offended by what Rags did than I am by the people who intentionally push her fear buttons. It's quite obvious that they don't have the best of intentions.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 05:30 PM
69. And the wingnuts cried, "BENGHAZI!! BENGHAZI!!"

This would be funny if it wasn't so damned pathetic. Republicans skip Beghazi hearing to go on the toob to whine about not having information on Benghazi.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/15/republicans_skip_benghazi_hearing_complain_about_lack_of_information_on_benghazi

But although McCain had time to speak on the Senate floor and on television about the lack of information provided to Congress about the attack, he didn't attend the classified briefing for senators Wednesday given to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, of which he is a member.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), another Homeland Security committee member who was on television complaining about the lack of Benghazi information, also did not show up for the Wednesday hearing. Paul did a CNN interview from the Capitol building Wednesday in which said he had questions about the anti-Islam video, the lack of Marines in Libya, and diplomatic security. At one point he says, "I don't know enough of the details."

Republican priorities on full display. It was more important to get some whine time on television than doing your damned jobs.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 07:04 PM
70. @68 and @69 - I'm sorry, did you say something?

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 15, 2012 07:48 PM
71. Dr. Demented @ 69 whimpered: It was more important to get some whine time on television than doing your damned jobs.

Obviously, the demented one is referring to president Obama, who whined incessantly to the press this week about anyone questioning the motives of his administration sending Valerie jarrett out to 5 sunday talk shows following the Benghazi terrorist attack (that they knew was terrorists) and to push a false story about a video being the catalyst for the murders (even thought they know that wasn't the truth). What a whining, little, lying snit Obama is.

Posted by: Rick D. on November 15, 2012 08:32 PM
72. @71

Love that you are so stupid.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on November 15, 2012 08:37 PM
73. It was more important to get some whine time on television than doing your damned jobs.

One job of the senate (you know Democrat controlled senate) is to PASS A BUDGET.

Oh wait! It's been 1299 days since they did their job. And Patty Murray, Harry Reid's tail, claims she won't promise to DO HER JOB!

Gawd.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on November 15, 2012 08:50 PM
74. "You made your voice heard - Barack Obama, Nov. 7, 2012

Gifts...

[/head shake & sad snicker]

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on November 15, 2012 08:54 PM
75. Obviously, the demented one is referring to president Obama, who whined incessantly to the press this week about anyone questioning the motives of his administration sending Valerie jarrett out to 5 sunday talk shows following the Benghazi terrorist attack (that they knew was terrorists) and to push a false story about a video being the catalyst for the murders (even thought they know that wasn't the truth). What a whining, little, lying snit Obama is.

Posted by Rick D. at November 15, 2012 08:32 PM

@71
Love that you are so stupid.

Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 15, 2012 08:37 PM

Do you have anything factual to back up that assertion ? If you meant @69 and @70, I would totally agree. However Just because he (@71) said something that is true, but you don't want to hear it. So you take the fascistic approach of attacking the messenger ! Just sayin' back up what you say if you care to elevate yourself above libtard.

Nice job.

Posted by: KDS on November 15, 2012 09:17 PM
76. That should read; If you meant @68 and @69, I would totally agree.

Posted by: KDS on November 15, 2012 09:20 PM
77. "Just sayin' back up what you say if you care to elevate yourself above libtard."

Suck on it. Nobody here disputed that John McCain and Rand Paul weren't doing their jobs when they skipped the hearing and looked like idiots doing so. All you've done is call me names. You lose. All of you.

"you take the fascistic approach of attacking the messenger"

You dumb Nazi, how many times do I have to tell you that we're commie-fascists*?? Good grief! Don't you know anything?

* Except for our friends, the brown horde. They're just commies.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 10:00 PM
78. "One job of the senate (you know Democrat controlled senate) is to PASS A BUDGET."

Why bother when almost all of your politicians in the House are batshit crazy? It's impossible for reconciliation of differences between the House and the Senate versions to happen when your side acts like a bunch of krazy, goose-steppin' Nazis. With no approval of both the House and Senate, there is no budget. It's all your fault for being Nazi assholes. Gawd, and then you have to whine about it too.

Maybe we got rid of enough of the House Nazis in this last election so that sane people, both left and right, can finally get something done.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 15, 2012 10:23 PM
79. I'm not sure exactly why but this site is loading extremely slow for me. Is anyone else having this problem or is it a issue on my end? I'll check back later on and see if the problem still exists.

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80. @75 KDS on November 15, 2012 09:17 PM,

Sorry. You're stupid too!

Who is "Valerie jarrett" and which 5 "sunday" talk shows did she appear on to "push a false story" about Benghazi?

Also, don't you just love that the right wing bull you've swallowed about the 'Benghazi conspiracy' is so important to your party that 5 out of 8 Republican senators on the committee "investigating" it skipped a classified meeting on Wednesday?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on November 16, 2012 05:02 AM
81. "Doctor" Steve, who are your Galtian Lord(s)?

Marx? Lenin? Stalin? Mao? Alinsky? Obama? Jesse Jackson? Che? Castro? Pelosi? Reid? Teddy Kennedy? Schumer? Clinton? Waters? Rangle? Barney Frank? Dodd?

Who drives your hatred and bigotry of half the population of the US? You show no interest in negotiation or compromise. You prefer to dictate and if someone doesn't agree, you turn to insults and belittling until you can bully your way to agreement.

Perhaps, you've been overusing the treatments you have been offering others.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 16, 2012 08:59 AM
82. Who is "Valerie jarrett" and which 5 "sunday" talk shows did she appear on to "push a false story" about Benghazi?

Also, don't you just love that the right wing bull you've swallowed about the 'Benghazi conspiracy' is so important to your party that 5 out of 8 Republican senators on the committee "investigating" it skipped a classified meeting on Wednesday?

Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 16, 2012 05:02 AM

You are stupid if you think we are as stupid as your progressive comrades to swallow your baseless BS. It on Roots to explain himself - then if you trust Valerie Jarrett, you are stupid.

Before you go trumpeting that narrative - what were the details of the meeting the 5 out of 8 GOP senators "skipped" - what were the details of this meeting and why did it matter ? (in your own words). If there's credible evidence, bring it but you and your ilk have a chronic problem with credibility. Just telling it like it is.

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 12:25 PM
83. "you take the fascistic approach of attacking the messenger"

You dumb Nazi, how many times do I have to tell you that we're commie-fascists*?? Good grief! Don't you know anything?

* Except for our friends, the brown horde. They're just commies.

Posted by Doctor Steve at November 15, 2012 10:00 PM

You are incapable of presenting any facts and handling the truth. I loathe scumsuckers like you. You are a lieing libtard. Go drink your own bathwater.

Everyone else, have a nice day !

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 12:30 PM
84. "I loathe scumsuckers like you. You are a lieing libtard. Go drink your own bathwater."

And you're, um, ah, you're a nasty Nazi! That's it! You're a nasty, swastika lovin' Nazi!

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 16, 2012 01:01 PM
85. "You show no interest in negotiation or compromise."

Not with you. You're nothing but a Psych 101 punching bag. Oh, and a Nazi.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 16, 2012 01:05 PM
86. Mike BS - you don't know who Valerie Jarrett is ? (She is only the senior chief of staff for Mr. Obama) Your curiosity underwhelms me. How can you call yourself informed ?

@84 - you are bonafide pussy.

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 01:30 PM
87. Mike BS - you don't know who Valerie Jarrett is ? (She is only the senior chief of staff for Mr. Obama) Your curiosity underwhelms me. How can you call yourself informed ?

@84 - you are a bonafide pussy.

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 01:30 PM
88. I've been curious why you wingnuts haven't been advocating getting tough on Iran the same way Reagan did, give the Ayatollah a cake and sell him missles. What's up with that?

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 16, 2012 02:02 PM
89. @85 - You need to hook yourself up to your machine and crank it up to 11.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 16, 2012 02:34 PM
90. Nice swipe Chris Christie took at Romney. Ouch! It'll be interesting to see how Christie evolves as a leader over the next few years. It appears that the storm gave him a deeper understanding of what it means to be the governor of all of the people of his state. It looks like he might be getting it.

The American people get it. The president's approval rating soared to 58% in the first USA/Gallup post-election poll with the Democratic party at 51%. Eh, the Republican party is only at 43%. You might want to give some thought to getting your act together.

"crank it up to 11"

Hmm, familiarity with the dial. Now I wonder if I haven't treated you before. And without success, to say the least.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 16, 2012 03:47 PM
91. @87 KDS on November 16, 2012 01:30 PM,

I know who Valerie Jarrett is, but you don't. She is not "only the senior chief of staff for Mr. Obama". The Chief of Staff at the White House is Jacob Lew.

And you didn't answer the other question (which you jumped in on) of "which 5 "sunday" talk shows did she appear on to "push a false story" about Benghazi?"

Seriously. Does the stoopid burn?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on November 16, 2012 04:14 PM
92. Hey MBS, I did not make the question about the 5 sunday talk shows, but here's an educated guess; Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, CNN State of the Union, ABC's this week, CBS's Sunday news program hosted by Bob Schieffer. Get your stories straight !

You did not know who Valerie Jarrett from your earlier remark - you had to look it up. In addition and more importantly, Jarrett is the one who typically calls the shots at the White House.

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 06:44 PM
93. @91 My correction: Valerie Jarrett is the Senior adviser to the President.

And you didn't answer the other question (which you jumped in on) of "which 5 "sunday" talk shows did she appear on to "push a false story" about Benghazi?"

You are dazed and confused again - that was Southern Roots who wrote that. It still shows that when it gets right down it, you are behind the curve, better than most libtards - but still behind..

Posted by: KDS on November 16, 2012 06:53 PM
94. "Seriously. Does the stoopid burn?"

I did a search on her name and the extreme right is going nuts. She's Iranian, she's Jewish, she has a mysterious, controlling hold on the Obamas, she's a communist, she's a jihadist, gawd, it goes on and on. Stoopid like that just has to burn.

Posted by: Doctor Steve on November 16, 2012 06:54 PM
95. @93 KDS on November 16, 2012 06:53 PM,
"You are dazed and confused again - that was Southern Roots who wrote that. It still shows that when it gets right down it, you are behind the curve, better than most libtards - but still behind.. "

Hey dumb sh*t, here's another "correction" for your dumb ass to make

71. ...Obviously, the demented one is referring to president Obama, who whined incessantly to the press this week about anyone questioning the motives of his administration sending Valerie jarrett out to 5 sunday talk shows following the Benghazi terrorist attack (that they knew was terrorists) and to push a false story about a video being the catalyst for the murders (even thought they know that wasn't the truth). What a whining, little, lying snit Obama is. Posted by: Rick D. on November 15, 2012 08:32 PM
75. Obviously, the demented one is referring to president Obama, who whined incessantly to the press this week about anyone questioning the motives of his administration sending Valerie jarrett out to 5 sunday talk shows following the Benghazi terrorist attack (that they knew was terrorists) and to push a false story about a video being the catalyst for the murders (even thought they know that wasn't the truth). What a whining, little, lying snit Obama is.

Posted by Rick D. at November 15, 2012 08:32 PM

@71
Love that you are so stupid.

Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 15, 2012 08:37 PM

Do you have anything factual to back up that assertion ? If you meant @69 and @70, I would totally agree. However Just because he (@71) said something that is true, but you don't want to hear it. So you take the fascistic approach of attacking the messenger ! Just sayin' back up what you say if you care to elevate yourself above libtard.

Nice job.
Posted by: KDS on November 15, 2012 09:17 PM


KDS, you are one stubborn sack of sad & stupid.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on November 16, 2012 07:39 PM
96. You are dazed and confused again - that was Southern Roots who wrote that.

Sorry KDS, I haven't been involved with the Valerie Jarrett thread. Susan Rice was the airhead that went on the 5 Sunday talk shows to push the video theme on the Benghazi story, four days after the CIA and president knew differently.

Valerie Jarrett is the Obama senior advisor that is allowed Secret Service protection in America, while a US Ambassador went around a very dangerous country with little security, despite requests for more.

Valerie Jarrett still has Secret Service protection; Susan Rice is rumored to be the nominee to replace Hillary as Secretary of State; and U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens is dead, along with three other Americans.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 16, 2012 08:05 PM
97. OK, Roots it wasn't me. Mike BS thought it was as he is having fun lashing out in dialogues with himself like a 4-year old. I don't have time to read that kind of partisan nonsense.

MBS - You have shown yourself as an ignorant kool-aid drinking man-child just like the rest of the libtards !! Way to be, dude...

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