August 06, 2012
Open Thread On Our Top-Two Primary (Updated)
In which you
can comment, as long as you keep it family-friendly, on any candidate or issue.
Just to start it off, some thoughts on Suzan DelBene's ads: She thinks millionaires
should pay more and backs the "Buffett rule" — which would not affect billionaire Warren
Buffett. She's a millionaire. What has she been paying, and what does she
think she should have been paying? (As far as I know, she has not released any
of her tax returns.)
DelBene has been promising us great achievements, but it is hard to see how she can produce
them, since it is likely that she will be in the minority in the House, even if she does win office
this year. (First-term minority senators sometimes have an impact; first-term minority
House members almost never do.) She could promise to fight for
those achievements, without promising to actually deliver them.
Among other things, DelBene has been promising to produce "middle-class" jobs. But
almost every economist will tell you that we need working class jobs even more.
This year Democrats appear to have abandoned, at least rhetorically, their working class
voters. (For the record: I am in favor of policies that lead to more working
class jobs, more middle class jobs — and more upper class jobs.)
Finally, I like to know how stories end. Did DelBene's father ever find a new
Posted by Jim Miller at August 06, 2012
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1. I'm pretty sure her dad was Barry Oliver, who for a brief period worked for me at Microsoft in the Flight Sim group. Barry was a pilot and he coded all the training missions for Flight Sim. He was delightfully rough around the edges, pulled no punches in his opinions, and did a great job for us. He passed away after battling cancer.
Thoughtful post. Tx.
No freshman will have much clout. As for the Reps keeping control, that is really not the issue here .. except for those of you with seep rooted party loyalty.
Assuming Delbene wins tomorrow, she offers a LOT of clout to the 1st because she has such huge credit with the local and national business community. If the R party had not gone over the edge, I suspect Suzan could easily be the "business" candidate ,,, remember that in Seattle most of our big businesses have very strong social commitments.
As for "working" vs "middle class," again Jim needs to think of that in the Seattle context. What jobs here are not "middle class?" Boeing machinists? MS contractors? Costco associates? ....
Our working class is pretty damn small is that means blue collar.
3. Suzan would be the 'business' candidate if by that you mean she will RAISE taxes on small business owners.
I see Suzan as a personal pick for the Director of Revenue by Gov. Gregoire and I have not seen anything significant since her taking that post since. I see a rich woman talking the talk but not walking the walk. Despite outspending Mr Reichert almost 2 to 1, she still lost by 10% of the vote.
In a message that echoes themes of the Occupy Wall Street movement, which argues that the rich have too much power and influence, this multimillionaire does not understand the "working class". Clearly, if elected, she will become the richest democrat in the House (est $53 million). We need to clean house and elect someone that cares about the blue collar/working class citizen and not be owning to the past Governor and her cronies still in Olympia...
As Ms. Darcy Burner said in the last election: There's already an overrepresentation of the 1 percent in Washington, D.C.
My vote will be for Mr John Koster.
Exactly how is she going to create ANY jobs?
Is the government going to start opening manufacturing facilities, software companies, semi conductor fabs and refineries? ie the exact rich people that Suzan is promises to punish.
The last few times the government promised us jobs in Thurston County, the tribes got the road widened leading up to their water park (the Great Wolf Lodge) and we got the bill. Oh- and a bunch of people got a 7k used car trade in that cost us 25k per hybrid car sold.
No jobs were created or saved by these or any other government spending fiasco. Just a pile of government debt.
So tell us Suzan, what are you going to do to create those jobs?
Do all the politicians that support the "Buffett Rule" and the idea that "the rich should pay their fair share" voluntarily forego all tax dedcutions and loopholes so that they lead by example?
Cantwell and DelBene are rich. Do they pay the maximum 36.5% on income, or is it less due to deductions and credits?
Until they voluntarily waive their right to deductions and credits, I see no reason for a law to force others to do what they will not.
I am so tired of candidates from all parties promoting "jobs" and job-creation. If they want to create jobs, let them open a jobs factory, where jobs of all types can be manufactured and sent out.
But of course that's silly. Productive (non-government) jobs come from only one place: business activity. The more business activity, the more jobs. Yet none of the candidates is willing to say that creating an richer environment for private businesses is important.
Come on, candidates, tell the truth, even if it hurts. At least you won't be remembered as stupid.
I can not figure out what you folks think a Congressman does?
A lot of them do nothing at all .. Reichert is basically a ward healer.
Others .. McDermott .. think they are in a play abuot the Roman Senate ... they orate and pretend to be leading something.
The there are politicians who actually represent their district .. not just on the sens of voting with he political winds, but working for the interests of the district. Murray is a great example of that.
So you want jobs .. then fight for Boeing in WA, fight for high speed rail from Portland to Vanc, .. fight for funding for a much needed tech cmaus near Everett, fight to fix the H1 VCISA program so MS doesn't park its engineers in Van BC, fight for the Seaport in Everett and a new highway from the CA border near the cascades to the Columbia, ......
9. Del Bene, Rudderman (who's mother tried to sabotage Del Bene's campaign) and the biggest loon of all Darcy Burner. Koster would have the easiest time defeating Burner, but all of them are subpar candidates. John Koster - brace yourself for the Democratics' dirty campaign because they have nothing else to run on.
Koster has a problem ...
He carries an albatross around his neck.
Republican extremism makes him an easy target.
After reading Jack Turk's comment, I searched on DelBene and Oliver and found this informative Seattle Times article
DelBene had a stepfather named Barry Oliver. He did lose a job as a pilot, but found another one, eventually, in Iran.
During DelBene's poverty-stricken childhood, she skied at Vail, attended Choate, got plane tickets to visit Iran as Christmas presents, and graduated from Reed.
Opinions differ on her accomplishments as an executive, at Microsoft and elsewhere.
And I had forgotten about her voting record, or lack of it.
(Is calling her stepfather her father a fib? It's not unusual in blended families for children to do that. I do think the general impression those ads leave is false, and intentionally so. But she may believe that her mostly upper class life was, indeed, a life of suffering, even though her family was better off than more than 90 percent of American families at the time.
And, although it is not relevant to DelBene, I was amused to see that the editors left in Martin's description of Darcy Burner as "rabble-rousing".)
10. Koster has a problem ...
He carries an albatross around his neck.
Republican extremism makes him an easy target.
Posted by SJ at August 7, 2012 07:20 AM
You seem to be appealing to the low intelligence voters with your comments. Do you have any substantive evidence of this from John Koster OR is this just another leftwing talking point ?
13. Don't know where else to put this, but Chris Christie is coming to town tomorrow to help Rob McKenna for a fundraiser. Would love to go but can't.
DelBene will be part of the problem, not the solution. Her ads talk about raising taxes on the rich (so they pay their "fair share"), stopping those nasty Tea Party people, and on and on. Blah, blah, blah, Democratic talking points one after the other.
IOW, she'll toe the Democratic line, and won't compromise with the Republicans, and will be just as intransigent and stubborn as the left accuses the right of being.
Unfortunately, she's running in a state where the D's nearly always win, and we'll probably be stuck with her. No wonder nothing changes in Washington DC.
Well so much for Governor McKenna.
Yet another establishment RINO goes down in flames!
And yes, I realize this is only the primary. But do you really think the General is going to be much different?
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid guys!
I didn't vote for McKenna in the primary and won't in the general election.
I know this is news to the McKenna campaign: those who favor Obamacare and gay marriage didn't show up for him either. They already have a candidate and his name is Inslee.
Next time try not taking conservatives for granted.
every "job creator" sj mentioned is a job killer.
Who pays for that high speed rail to portland? Amtrak loses billions/year.
Microsoft uses the visa program to undercut wages of qualified engineers here in washington. I've seen them ship in an Indian engineer either directly or via vendor a dozen times on a slave trade visa to do work that could have been done locally. Put an ad on craigslist for any req they have posted, you'll get about 300 qualified applicants begging for work, so don't sell this crap that they can't find workers.
Why should Boeing be locked to Washington state vs other states that have a cheaper work force? Isn't that kind of ignoring job creation and focusing on job hoarding?
@18 - If McKenna loses, it is because people like you neglected to vote for him - congratulations, you and they will have contributed to electing Inslee. I see why they call Republicans - the stupid party, which includes voters in this state who call themselves Republicans, BTW. Stop using your knee jerk reactions and think for a change about the consequences of your absence of a vote. It will be a close election and don't assume the Dems won't hold back. You will have contributed to being part of the problem instead of a possible solution for your act.
Del Bene is a mediocre candidate, not as ridiculous as Burner. John Koster will have a tough race with the negative smear ads from the Del Bene camp. If he wanted to be a skilled politician, he or his surrogates would run some incriminating ads on Del Bene. If he wants to win, he will need to fight fire with fire. That goes for all Republicans in close races - don't be afraid of the deceptive lies of the Democrats and to mix it up with them - people want bold candidates who deliver. The Kryptonite on them is the disinfectant of light (i.e. documented truth about their political sleaziness).
19. Should read @17 (Andy) If McKenna loses, it is because people like you neglected to vote for him - congratulations, you and they will have contributed to electing Inslee.
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