May 01, 2012
Victims Of Communism Day
Professor Ilya Somin says
we should remember those victims on
I think he's right, though not all the commenters on his post agree. (I
haven't taken the time to read all of the comments, so I don't know if any of the
opponents make a rational argument.)
How many victims? Somewhere between 85 and 100 million, according to this
team of scholars.
(Incidentally, the book was wildly controversial in France, perhaps because so
many communists and sympathizers there did not want these crimes discussed.)
Cross posted at
Jim Miller on Politics.
Posted by Jim Miller at May 01, 2012
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1. No comments yet from our usual cabal of Communist sympathizer trolls? Bueller?
2. Agreed, but only if we make July 6 Victims of Torture day.
Communism really should be in the Guinness Book of World Records for most humans killed.
All of that collectivist 19th Century German Philosopher horse shit never works, but it never stops the sycophant Useful Idiots from believing or their power mad Destroyer leaders from trying.
And it always fails for two simple reasons:
1. It's about the power and not a system that does anything for all of their poster/ slogan victims.
2. No system based on appealing to human altruism will ever work. We are motivated only by what is best for each of us, and not what is best for our brothers and neighbors.
The genius of capitalism is not that it provides some perfect benevolent Utopia outcome, but instead that it allows us to see more value in trading with each other than killing each other.
All other political systems cause us to prey upon each other and are therefore primitive and unworkable. Just look at the Occupy Movement on Twitter today. Lots and lots of references to killing. They are ready to start their violence, because absent a proper philosophy of capitalism, all the occupiers have left is to start killing and stealing to get what they want.
This is Grade School level basic understanding that Leftists don't want to acknowledge. Because they fundamentally like to spend their time overly involved in other people's business.
Leftists fundamentally want to spend their time figuring out how to take from others instead of just being productive. And if they spent as much time being productive as they did involved in other people's business, they wouldn't need to worry about redistribution. But that's not why they do it. They do it because being overly focused on others is what drives their every waking moment. They are defective codependent humans. Leftism is a mental disorder.
Thanks for the link pudge. I have a client right there as well. Glad I didn't go there today. These are primitive animals.
Nice job Leftists! This is what your class warfare/ Obama Administration rhetoric has created. A bunch of violent zombies who will pillage and destroy to get what they want. Yeah, that's going to be really compatible with the rest of society.
What a bunch of useless ass-----.
6. Usually human beings remember people they know, I'm not sure I personally know a single person who was a victim of communism. Like the slaughter in Africa with people being hacked to death, or all those killed during the Crusades, it's tough to relate except in a 'sad for the victim' universal manner.
What??? That's a great example of a comment where you should have thought twice before clicking the post button.
Are you justifying communism, socialism, fascism, etc. just because you don't know anyone killed by Mao or Hitler?
Darwin was right.
8. Absolutely NOT...simply keying on the word and meaning of 'rembering'. Do I feel for those victims - of course. I'm also an advocate of strict police force which obviously was not used today downtown. If it's against the law DEAL WITH IT AND PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE...incredible how the SPD 'tolerates'.
I can't believe that Leftists allow this violence to happen. Normal Seattlites of all political stripes detest this kind of violence, but subtly everyone will connect this behavior more with the Left than the Right. So by allowing these thugs to do as they will bashing in storefronts and causing general mayhem, voters will necessarily make a right leaning mental note for November.
Another example of why the Left isn't made up of very serious or smart people.
Lest we forget other memorable things that happened on May 1st
On May 1, 2003, Bush became the first sitting President to make an arrested landing in a fixed-wing aircraft on an aircraft carrier when he arrived at the USS Abraham Lincoln in a Lockheed S-3 Viking, dubbed Navy One, as the carrier returned from combat operations in the Persian Gulf. He posed for photographs with pilots and members of the ship's crew while wearing a flight suit. A few hours later, he gave a speech announcing the end of major combat operations in the Iraq War. Far above him was the warship's banner stating "Mission Accomplished."
11. ...and nine (9) years later on May 1 our POTUS (who vowed and promised to end all of these conflicts) lands in Afghan to address the combat troops and sign a deal to likely mother that country ad infinitem. Wow, ain't life grand. :)
Can't believe our proud chest thumping patriots
at (un)SP did not take the time to recognize Loyalty Day. At least our president did
Presidential Proclamation -- Loyalty Day, 2012
LOYALTY DAY, 2012
BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
More than two centuries ago, our Founders laid out a charter that assured the rule of law and the rights of man. Through times of tranquility and the throes of change, the Constitution has always guided our course toward fulfilling that most noble promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve the chance to pursue their full measure of happiness. America has carried on not only for the skill or vision of history's celebrated figures, but also for the generations who have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears and true to our founding documents. On Loyalty Day, we reflect on that proud heritage and press on in the long journey toward prosperity for all.
In the years since our Constitution was penned and ratified, Americans have moved our Nation forward by embracing a commitment to each other, to the fundamental principles that unite us, and to the future we share. We weathered the storms of civil war and segregation, of conflicts that spanned continents. We overcame threats from within and without -- from the specter of fascism abroad to the bitter injustice of disenfranchisement at home. We upheld the spirit of service at the core of our democracy, and we widened the circle of opportunity not just for a privileged few, but for the ambitious many. Time and again, men and women achieved what seemed impossible by joining imagination to common purpose and necessity to courage. That legacy still burns brightly, and the ideals it embodies remain a light to all the world.
Countless Americans demonstrate that same dedication to country today. It endures in the hearts of all who put their lives on the line to defend the land they love, just as it moves millions to improve their communities through volunteerism and civic participation. Their actions help ensure prosperity for this generation and those yet to come, and they honor the immutable truths enshrined in our Nation's founding texts. On Loyalty Day, we rededicate ourselves to the common good, to the cornerstones of liberty, equality, and justice, and to the unending pursuit of a more perfect Union.
In order to recognize the American spirit of loyalty and the sacrifices that so many have made for our Nation, the Congress, by Public Law 85-529 as amended, has designated May 1 of each year as "Loyalty Day." On this day, let us reaffirm our allegiance to the United States of America, our Constitution, and our founding values.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim May 1, 2012, as Loyalty Day. This Loyalty Day, I call upon all the people of the United States to join in support of this national observance, whether by displaying the flag of the United States or pledging allegiance to the Republic for which it stands.
It is almost like (un)SP is disloyal to FREEDOM!
MikeBS: yes, like many people, you have no idea what Bush said that day.
He said that we had succeeded in our mission to take Iraq from Saddam Hussein. He said that Operation Iraqi Freedom, the operation to do this, was over. He said the mission continued, that there was much left to do, but that this phase was complete.
He was correct.
@11 Duffman on May 1, 2012 03:48 PM,
And what do you expect any president to do with Afghanistan? You break it you bought it.
Hell Duffman, when did the conflict end in Korea?????
Obama did not thump his chest proclaiming anything accomplished ... when it clearly is not.
15. I wont debate the issue any further as it would likely be deemed off-topic, but - you mean you don't regard Obama's politicizing of the OBL/Navy Seal thing 'thumping one's chest' ??? Get real. :)
you're an idiot who knows nothing of what I know or do not know. I can cite you every word he said dipstick. We did not take Iraq from Hussein on May 1st 2003 and despite the C Minus Augustus' preening nothing of value for this country nor the Sailors on-board that carrier had been "accomplished" that day. Yet there he was, playing the soldier he never was when his nation needed soldiers.
@15 Duffman on May 1, 2012 04:02 PM,
Uh, no I certainly don't see a comparison of what Obama said and did after our SEALS took out the murdering plotter of the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor to what Bush said and did on May 1 2003.
Obama did not land on a carrier in a flight suit and deliver a speech with a banner hung in the background as if he was some sort of operational player.
Get real? One president very publicly promised to get bin Laden and never did. A different president got him.
And who said "It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."?
That's real. :-)
I say we take back Mayday from all the political types.
May Day is related to the Celtic festival of Beltane and the Germanic festival of Walpurgis Night. May Day falls exactly half a year from November 1, another cross-quarter day which is also associated with various northern European pagan and the year in the Northern hemisphere, and it has traditionally been an occasion for popular and often raucous celebrations.
Let's forget politics for a day and all go pagan instead.
@16 - You took the Romney quote out of context and distorted what he said by not displaying the entire comment in 2008, nor did you mention his response yesterday - that's a moot point now anyway. Bush may have done the mission accomplished thing,which was stupid in hindsight, but he did not disparage political opponents or embellish anything - he gave all the credit to the troops, something Obama and his narcissism is incapable of doing. The Seals were angered by the un-presidential display. BTW - I did not care for the Iraq War either.
As for May Day a worldly-recognized para-cmmunist/labor holiday, Obama endorsed the Occupiers recently, which apparently fanned the flames of violent demonstrations and costly damage in major cities, including Seattle. Nice move, Mr. Obama.
Poor Mike BS.
Perhaps his mother should change the air filter in the family furnace as toxic fumes permeate her basement rendering MBS lacking in oxygen and therefore seriously delusional.
Too bad he does not actually read what spews from his keyboard; he would be embarrased if he could think clearly like an adult.
The State of Washington provides free mental health assistance, take advantage of it.
21. We destroyed their military and took Baghdad within a few weeks. What part of "Mission Accomplished" do you not understand? Surely you don't think a Mission encompasses a whole war?
MikeBS: you're an idiot who knows nothing of what I know or do not know.
Shrug. You proved you didn't know what he said.
We did not take Iraq from Hussein on May 1st 2003
Well, right: we took it from him several days earlier. No one seriously denies this. We took Baghdad in early April, and took Tikrit a week or so later. By May 1st, Hussein was long gone.
nothing of value for this country nor the Sailors on-board that carrier had been "accomplished" that day
Right. It all happened days and weeks before.
Seriously, no one denies that Hussein had been removed from power by then. I don't know who you think you're fooling with your obvious lies.
MikeBS: And what do you expect any president to do with Afghanistan?
You break it you bought it.
We didn't break it.
Obama did not thump his chest proclaiming anything accomplished ... when it clearly is not.
He did brag about leaving Iraq last December ... even though it was Bush's agreement that he was following, to the letter, on Bush's precise timeline.
@23 Lazy Fudge,
I love that you are too stupid to quit when you're behind.
"He said that we had succeeded in our mission to take Iraq from Saddam Hussein."
Did he? Where in the speech did he mention Hussein?
Here's what he said dipstick:
The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of al-Qaida, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.
Hussein and al-Qaida were not "allies"
No terrorist network ever gained WMD from Iraq or ever would because there never were any, not because the Hussein regime was removed.
Invading Iraq was never a "crucial advance in the campaign against terror". It was an historic blunder of stupidity and bravado, as was the May 1 2003 "Mission Accomplished" speech.
And lazy fudge, Bush never mentioned Hussein in that speech, not once. And NOTHING about the Iraq War was over for US Service members in 2003.
But you keep digging lazy fudge.
25. As usual MBS has no actual merits to debate upon so all it has is pathetic insults which are worse than usual, must not have gotten those free antiphyschotic meds the annointed one promised him for his vote.
MBS - do you give credit to Bush for implementing the tactics that led to the killing of Osama? Do you not agree that Obama was opposed to those as were most Democrats. However, without them we wouldn't have been in the possition for Obama to make the 'tough call" of killing him?
BTW - how do you feel about Nancy Pelosi being briefed and approving of waterboarding? Is she as bad as Cheney?
MikeBS @ 12:
Loyalty Day made official in 1958. Sorry, President Obama shows his abject ignorance of existing FEDERAL actions, but his arrogance that his proclamation is what made May 1st Loyalty Day.
The President is a great example of hubris and ignorance.
28. Communism killed up to 100 million people and yet our loyal news media pays scant attention to it.
I would guess its because, unlike for Fascism, a large proportion of the modern Democratic Party admires Marxism/ Communism.
29. @Lionel Hutz Esq I agree also but why only July, why not any another date..
30. Once again I find myself agreeing with you, Attila, as I consider much of the Dimocrat Party's agenda to be de facto Communism. Millions of poorly educated young Americans have little or no knowledge of Communism's record of muder and oppression and foolishly buy into the anti-capitalist propaganda. Others, such as Tensor, dork, Mike-Boy, Bruce and Dimo Child know exactly what they are voting for but will find themselves (just like the rest of us) on the outside looking in, if and when Soros and the America-haters ever gain the power they desire. For this reason I consider the above-listed trolls to be nothing more than useful idiots.
Savage was even rebuked by Perez Hilton, fellow gay activist.
His apology was insincere and contradictory. If there is any doubt about the divisiveness and lack of credibility of this president and his regime, it should be clear upon examination of this event.
They are two peas in a pod
32. Oops wrong post.. It will be recopied
MikeBS: "He said that we had succeeded in our mission to take Iraq from Saddam Hussein."
Where in the speech did he mention Hussein?
You quoted it: "We have removed an ally of al-Qaida, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. ... the regime is no more."
Hussein and al-Qaida were not "allies"
Whether or not they were, that is who he was directly and obviously referring to. I am not going to argue with you about whether what Bush said was right or wrong, because it's irrelevant to the discussion. You said the mission was not accomplished; you were wrong. You said he didn't mention Hussein; you were wrong.
Oh, I will point out one other thing you are wrong about, just because it's a pet peeve of mine: you said there never were any WMD in Iraq; you were wrong.
Bush never mentioned Hussein in that speech
Yes, he did, as you quoted.
NOTHING about the Iraq War was over for US Service members in 2003.
Bush never implied it was. He said the mission -- the operation to remove the Hussein regime -- was over. And it clearly was. This isn't complicated. NO ONE seriously disagrees with it.