October 17, 2011
Have You Seen Or Heard Any Negative Stories On The "Occupy Wall Street" Protesters?
From our local "mainstream" news organizations,
You can certainly find negative stories at sites like
Gateway Pundit, or our own
Orbusmax, but these are not "mainstream"
news sources. What I am asking is whether you have seen or heard them from
sources like the Seattle Times or King 5.
(Please limit your comments, this time, to the news coverage that you have seen
or heard. I may, later this week, put up an open post on the protests, if
I get some emails requesting such a post.)
Posted by Jim Miller at October 17, 2011
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My favorite is the Times' article on youngsters "joining" the protests. It's "Oprah Time" now. Let's all shed sentimental tears over the politically precocious infants we have up here!
2. To be sure, that is not a negative story about the protesters, but about the local media reaching a level of self-parody. It could have been something out of the Onion.
What would you call a "negative story"? While every news report reflects a choice of what to cover, it's not the role of mainstream news organizations to report positively or negatively, just objectively.
The Seattle Times (whcih I rarely defend because it's lame overall) has reported that the protesters are breaking the law. But I think any analysis of the protesters' demands (which range from reasonable to silly) belongs in an opinion piece. Danny Westneat, their only columnist to address the protests, has been consistently quite critical of some of their demands.
4. I guess it is because of the location of your post (on SP), but why do you ask the question in the negative? Do you assume that all coverage in MSM has been positive? What are you really trying to get at by asking the question?
I think Jim is asking whether the Times is brave enough to write about the bad behavior going on with these goofy protesters here or around the country.
The only thing the Times wrote today that I saw was here
about a woman who threw her cup of coffee at a police officer when he tried to get her to move her mat while they attempted to clear the illegal campers out. Nice going, girl. No style points for lashing out at the officer just b/c you've been busted for doing something the City does not allow.
Same article says some of the campers commented "We need jobs." Gee, when a family member recently needed a job, instead of camping all day, she went out and applied and interviewed for jobs. Today, she's working. How about 'yall get out of your tents and do what she did? It actually works, if you are persistent.
..and btw, after reading quotes and seeing video of the occupy mobs from all over the country, I have concluded that their message can be summed up in four words: "Give Us Free Stuff".
Oh, and let's not forget the Communist Party participants. And of course they're rockin' the Che "I love communism and Fidel Castro was my commander-in-chief" Gueverra t-shirts.
What would a leftist mob like "Occupy" be without the communists?
7. I'll add a third voice to the questioners asking for a definition of "negative story". Does it mean negative in tone, but overall neutral in factual reporting, or does it mean more what Michelle, as always predictable to the very last letter and punctuation mark, delivers in comment #5, above? While there is considerable factual value in the former kind of negative story, there's none in Michelle's piece; her entire point is to write about the bad behavior going on with these goofy protesters here or around the country. No examination of their motives, no question as to how realistic their views. (Except unwittingly, by contrast to her entirely unrealistic view that a good job is easily available to anyone who wants one; I well recall receiving my engineering degree at the start of a recession, taking a series of temporary unskilled jobs when I could get them, and relying on my family for small sums when I could not.) If the purpose is to identify the latter type of story, I hope it is also to condemn it.
The "Occupiers" have shown bad form on numerous locations, which the Times is hesitant to expose. From what I have seen on other websites, a lot these protesters with their mob mentality show the attitude that it's all about me-me-me.
The President goes out of his way to put forth a lame attempt to identify with them as his fanning the flames of unrest with his community organizer tactics. Those who are capable of connecting the dots should realize that he has made things worse since his term began and is pulling another bait and switch, when the Occupiers should be blaming him and his crony capitalism along with the bankers, Wall Street tycoons, etc. However, he has some company of "soulmates", as the American Communist Party and American Nazi Party and the affiliated SEIU, and AFL-CIO unions that also support the demonstrations.
There are some villains that need to be brought to justice (I don't mean killed). The crony capitalists and Wall Street tycoons have been out of line as have been the lobbyists. It is the corruption from DC, Wall Street and the me-me-me attitude common in this country. Mr. Obama's willingness to own the vapidness of many of these demonstrations may well be his downfall - so I say - Bring it BO !
If you're asking whether any local news outlet is reporting the racism and hate going on at the protests, like they did with the Tea Party? Not that I've seen.
But there's plenty of examples.
10. I suppose finding negative stories on OWS is as difficult as finding positive stories about Tea Parties. Jim, you should have juxtaposed a question about positive coverage of Tea Parties. Then, these liberal minded drones would understand where you are coming from.
I have seen as many negative articles about OWS on the local news as i have negative articles about the tea party here.
How many? 0.
Both groups are being pitted against each other when in reality their share a big enough goal that they should be working with each other rather than against each other. That you are buying the media spin to pit us against each other says alot.
"No examination of their motives, no question as to how realistic their views."
It's hard to get a read of their motives b/c not even THEY know why they're there. One guy told a reporter "Um, we'll let you know tomorrow what we want". Uh, okay.
Then there's all the random "We want (fill in the blank with demands for any number of free stuff)".
Basically it's all the usual far-left hippie suspects with drum-beating, trashpiling, Che t-shirt-wearing, pooping on police cars and urinating on the streets, police-attacking, death threatening, predictable anti-semitic ranting ("The zionist jews who are running these big banks...need to be run out of this country!!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c&feature=player_embedded ) while railing against "the corporations!" (Yah, those corporate titans Steve Jobs and Bill Gates never really did anything good for anybody...unless you think useful products and job/wealth creation is good, which these people obviously can't understand).
You can ask what they want. Many have tried. But they are scattered, unfocused, capitalist-hating (many have said as much), communist (see above link for proof) coddling Kamp Alinsky Kids.
Whatever you do, don't miss this gem of a carrot-top lookalike "occupier" ranting about "sustainable stars" (whatever that is) and goodness knows what else:
I cannot thank these Occupiers enough. Because regardless of what the Lamestream Media does or does not report, there is an awareness of Occupy Wall Street and all of its offshoots.
And that awareness comes mainly in the form of the average Joe voter making a note to himself of what kinds of people make up the Occupation. And these union mobs, restless unproductive youth, professional protesters and aging hippies wasting time on Wall Street do not represent hard working average Joe.
These Occupiers are not doing Democrats any favors.
14. That they are spreading all over the world speaks for itself.
15. @13, Jeff B...We can only hope and pray that you are correct.
Black Rhino @ 14:
Do you think that might explain why all those countries are going broke right now?
17. #13: Yep, Jeff. Frankly, they're not the 99%. They're the 10%---the 10% of people who make up the hard left. Someone commented on radio yesterday that frankly, the Tea Party really does look like the "middle class" that the democrats always claim to be "for". (personally, I like leaders who are for the 100%). These drug-fueled, violent, urinating-in-the-streets Kamp Alinsky-ites don't.
18. Same article says some of the campers commented "We need jobs." Gee, when a family member recently needed a job, instead of camping all day, she went out and applied and interviewed for jobs. Today, she's working. How about 'yall get out of your tents and do what she did? It actually works, if you are persistent.
I can see tc, tensor, Bruce had no reply to this.
Why do you assume I need to comment on Michele's post?
Where did I state I support (or don't support) the movement? (I didn't state either way)
My question for Jim has to do with understanding why he was asking the question. It was not clear to me what the purpose of the post was. By his last statement, he didn't want the thread to become an open one commenting on the protests in general. What you are asking is in conflict with what Jim was stating he wanted the comments to focus on.
If you want my opinion, I think if the point of the protests are to focus on the financial sector abuses and difference between Wall Street's view of the world and Main Street's view, then I think it is an appropriate vehicle, but not necessarily being well executed. If the purpose is to stand around and gripe, then I say it is a worthless endeavor.
Regarding the specific quote you mentioned, it is good that the family member found a job. Other families have not experienced the same success. There are plenty of hard working people who are taking whatever temporary work comes there way, but can't find a permanent position. They are continuing to look, but due to their background and skills (and age) it does get harder. What the students have going for them is they are young. The ones I feel for are the people in their forties and especially fifties that lost work and will have a harder time starting over. Whether it is blatant or not, there is somewhat of an age issue when it comes the current employment situation. If you are in the high-skilled class, you shouldn't have that hard of time, but if you are one whose area of work has been phased out, it is hard learning a new line of work later in your career.
Here is some definitely negative coverage from KOMO news.com. Just when you thought it couldn't get any lower for these Kamp Alinskyites:
"SEATTLE -- A MAN ACCUSED OF EXPOSING HIMSELF TO CHILDREN AT LEAST FIVE TIMES across Seattle was arrested early Tuesday morning.....
Officers had been given a composite sketch of the suspect and DETECTIVES LEARNED HE HAD BEEN AT WESTLAKE PARK TAKING PART IN THE OCCUPY SEATTLE PROTESTS." (my caps)
21. Not all Democrats are degenerates; they just make up 10-20% of the democratic base.
For the NAMBLA folks, flashing is likely considered a positive trait.
Again on KOMO, they had a convicted felon who was caught with a rifle in Westlake Park.
Neither story mentioned in the headline or the news summary that the arrest was connected in any way to the protests, though. Think that would be the case if these were Tea Partiers? No, me either.
Jvon@23, the KOMO story (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/132070728.html) actually mentioned the Occupy Seattle rally in its 2nd sentence. That's not good enough for you? I suppose you wanted the story to begin: "SEATTLE - The Occupy Seattle rally was proven to be evil today with the arrest of a typical wacko liberal felon rifle-carrier."
But this whole thread is ridiculous. Of course there are nuts attracted to a political rally in a major city downtown. That's about as big "news" as saying it might rain in Seattle this winter.
@23: Think that would be the case if these were Tea Partiers? No, me either.
Was he waving a sign about shooting people, like plenty of Tea Partiers have been?
Posted by demo kid at October 18, 2011 06:25 PM
PUt down the bong ! You're incoherent and are wearing Saul Alinsky on your sleeve. I know your game - suicide bombing.
Thanks for using the time and effort to write something so interesting.
rachat pret consommation et rachat de credits
Here's a story in the Seattle Times
"Even as protests over its political influence grow louder, Wall Street is one of the leading sources of money so far in the 2012 race for the White House.
Not surprisingly, the biggest beneficiary has been Republican hopeful Mitt Romney, according to a new analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign-finance watchdog group.
Indeed, the former Massachusetts governor is the top recipient of campaign cash from employees of the five biggest Wall Street banks. Goldman Sachs gave the most -- $352,200. The firm paid a $550 million settlement last year in a fraud case that grew out of the subprime mortgage scandal that helped bring the U.S. economy to near collapse in the late 2000s.
The other banks were Morgan Stanley ($184,800), Bank of America ($112,500), JP Morgan Chase ($107,250) and Citigroup ($56,550).
A spokesman for the Romney campaign could not be reached for comment."
Seems this is a related story in the Seattle Times
"Mitt Romney came to the state with the highest foreclosure rate in the nation and said he wants to allow home foreclosures to "hit the bottom" to help the housing industry recover.
In an interview published Tuesday ahead of presidential debate, Romney told Las Vegas Review Journal's editorial board that solving the foreclosure crisis would require letting banks proceed against homeowners who have defaulted on their mortgages"
HAVE YOU SEEN OR HEARD ANY NEGATIVE STORIES ON THE "OCCUPY WALL STREET" PROTESTERS?
The Seattle Times, King 5 and all the rest are not "news organizations", but propaganda outlets for the Dimocrat Party and other hard left entities and causes. They discount and ignore any and all legitimate stories that do not benefit their agenda, which is to advance the causes of leftism/collectivism/statism.
30. A woman was raped in a Cincinati OWS rally. Lamestream Media very quiet about it.
In the last election cycle, President Obama collected more money from Wall Street than John McCain.
You know what else you won't find in the news coverage?
News About Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-WA) Town Hall Meetings
"Who should be informed of the opportunity to meet with their elected officials? Who decides how that should happen? According to U.S. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, R-Camas, she does.
Herrera Beutler told the approximately 24 people who attended her community "coffee" Monday that her office contacted "between 5,000 and 10,000 people," inviting them to the meeting."
"'When word gets in the paper, you get a certain set of people,' [Herrera Beutler staffer and Communications Director Casey] Bowman said."
TEA PARTY! F**K Yeah!
GE CEO & Obama 'Jobs Czar' Jeffery Immelt Sympathizes With Occupy Protesters.
HAHAHAHA, here is a guy who not only works for O-dumber but also got millions in green energy from him.
So what did he do with the cash. He sent his factory to China.
You fools want to complain about not having jobs and big biz influence. Try the White House lawn.
Dimbulb Kid @ 34:
Proof?: Decades of observation. But in your case this wouldn't work, as it also requires a brain and a bit of objectivity and you are obviously lacking in both.
Dimbulb Kid @ 35:
One needs a brain to lead. Seriously doubt you'd find a functioning one in the OWS crowd. Cut the government handouts and most of them would choose to starve rather than work.
36. I can see tc, tensor, Bruce had no reply to this.
You might want to have your vision checked. (Once we get single-payer healthcare in this country, you might even be able to afford a vision exam!) Here's what I'd already written about Michelle's claim:
...her entirely unrealistic view that a good job is easily available to anyone who wants one.
Since Michelle did not feel any need to give any corroborating evidence for her family anecdote (most likely because she has none), there was no point in tc, Bruce, or myself attempting any further reply.
Finally the RNC begins to go after democrats for their support of "occupy" while racist, anti-jewish sentiments abound at the rallies. No democrats have condemned the frequent anti-semitic sentiments of those they support.
The "drums, chants, defiance." A great article
on why the lower Manhattan protestors are not resonating with the rest of the USA.
Tensor@42, of course you're right. In addition, one can rationally look for a job while also advocating for different economic policies; the two are not mutually exclusive.
But let's even assume some truth in Michele's implication that some of the Occupy protesters are lazy, irrational, unbathed scofflaws. So what?
40. I second Medic/Vet @ 37. How come these cowards "occupying wall street" aren't protesting the man that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who received all of the monies from them in 2008? Simple. Just like journalists (of the ilk today), these simpleton's can't think past their collective snot-nosed whining noses. Honestly, I see very little "objective" journalism today and truly believe it is quite dead for that matter and has been for years. I'm just not sure those that have been propped up to present it have read their own obituary.
Hey, Commenter @31, 32, before you spew, do more research...
@40: Proof?: Decades of observation.
Oh goody, conservative logic!
I'm game. From my decades of experience, anyone that identifies with modern conservatives tends to be: a real dick, stupid, greedy, crazy, or just a combination of the four. By your reasoning, this is true. So which are you?
@41: One needs a brain to lead. Seriously doubt you'd find a functioning one in the OWS crowd. Cut the government handouts and most of them would choose to starve rather than work.
Please. I'm commenting on their leadership style, which is related to extreme forms of consensus governance. I don't particularly think that it's that effective, because it's just plain tiring. However, it takes more thought than the typical Tea Partiers, who simply strolled into DC, yelled a lot about how the government was evil, probably (in a burst of unintentional irony) took in the Smithsonian, and went back home.
But hey, at least OWS aren't being hijacked wholesale like the Tea Party. (Yet.)
@43: Finally the RNC begins to go after democrats for their support of "occupy" while racist, anti-jewish sentiments abound at the rallies. No democrats have condemned the frequent anti-semitic sentiments of those they support.
Oh goody, conservative logic!
One fringe group at a rally expresses racist views, and the whole thing should be disavowed and discredited completely.
Therefore, everyone in the Tea Party is a racist, and the whole movement means nothing! And Michelle Bachmann hates black people! Thanks for clearing that up, buddy! So nice that conservative logic came to the rescue.
@46: I second Medic/Vet @ 37. How come these cowards "occupying wall street" aren't protesting the man that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who received all of the monies from them in 2008? Simple. Just like journalists (of the ilk today), these simpleton's can't think past their collective snot-nosed whining noses.
Oh goody, conservative logic!
How come these coward Tea Partiers didn't protest George Bush when he was in office and starting wars that we couldn't afford? Simple! Just like Fox News "journalists", I guess these simpletons can't think past their collective snot-nosed whining noses.
Honestly, I see very little "objective" journalism today and truly believe it is quite dead for that matter and has been for years. I'm just not sure those that have been propped up to present it have read their own obituary.
Take comfort. Now, news organizations are rebranding themselves as the propaganda wings of political parties. Just look at right-wing radio and Fox! It's the wave of the future!
I would comment on the commenter @ 48, but I've found it's best to only rebut them when they've overcome their alcohol induced political rant approximately 12 hours from now.
"Drinking affects your decision making, sir"~ Arthur's Butler
"You may be right,...I can't decide" ~ Arthur's reply to the butler.
44. @49: Or, to translate for everyone else on the planet: "I have no idea for a witty comeback to these arguments, so maybe a lame one will suffice."
45. That's okay, Demo Kid, you've already covered lame more than sufficiently.
46. The reason Jim is framing it as "negative stories" about the children throwing a temper tantrum (OWS) is that the media mostly framed the tea party rallies in a negative light, even though it was a common sense movement and had a clear and concise message to Washington D.C; "Stop spending money we don't have!". A message that is missing in this current OWS movement. Having a little temper tantrum because you have to pay back the loans you signed for is not having a message other than "I don't feel I have to payback what I borrowed". If you signed the paper, live up to the contract, it's that simple. I have no sympathy for you because that's what I had to do.
How about this
as a message Rick?
"It's wrong to create a mortgaged-backed security filled with loans you know are going to fail so that you can sell it to a client who isn't aware that you sabotaged it by intentionally picking misleadingly rated loans most likely to be defaulted upon"
I'd love to see a reference link to anyone at an OWS protest saying or carrying a sign saying "I don't feel I have to payback what I borrowed". Unfortunately TCP/IP does not yet support linking into your imagination.
And regarding the teabagger message, who can forget 'Goverment, Keep yore hands off my Medicare'?
Yes, link to a photo: http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Medicare-keep-your-hands-off-my-medicare.jpg
Mike-Boy conveniently ignores the other demons in the 2008 mortgage industry meltdown. In the late 1970's, the Carter administration shoved the Community Reinvestment Act down the mortgage industry's throat, forcing lending institutions to issue mortages to people who had little no verifiable income. During the Clinton years the CRA was reaffirmed and further "enhanced". Chris Dodd and Barney Frank blocked the GWB administration's attempts to rein in Fannie and Freddie as these entities underwrote huge numbers toxic mortgages, placing the burden on the U.S. taxpayer. Lending institutions, seeking an easy way out from under the weight of all their shaky debt, bundled good and bad mortgages and sold them as securities...with much of it ending up in honest peoples' retirement accounts.
So who are the bad people in all this? How about "all the above". Dodd and Frank should be indicted and tried for fraud, for insisting as late as 2007 that Fannie and Freddie were sound. Seeing Frank and Dodd occupying the same cell block as the worst of the Wall Street securities bundlers would give the American people some measure of justice. As for the drooling Carter, having to live with his legacy is probably penalty enough.
The trouble with OWS and every other progressive rally is that they have no clear message or plan. And there's always a bunch of parasites attached to these rallies that ruin any sense of coherence or sustainability.
Come to think of it, that's Leftism in general. A nice fantasy that isn't compatible with human nature and attracts freeloaders that ultimately make it so overloaded, it fails.
The only answer is personal responsibility and individual accountability. Buck up Lefties, you created the age of austerity. And after you realize that drum circles, free food from the unions, and chance hook-ups in the park have come to an unsustainable end, there will be nothing left for you to do than go find something productive to do like the rest of us.
Please explain how Barney Frank "blocked the GWB administration's attempts to rein in Fannie and Freddie as these entities underwrote huge numbers toxic mortgages, placing the burden on the U.S. taxpayer."
Please account for the fact that as a Democrat Barney Frank was incapable of "blocking" any legislation in the House while it was controlled and led by the Republican majority.
"Fannie and Freddie as these entities underwrote huge numbers toxic mortgages"
Fannie and Freddie were bad actors in the housing bubble, but not a cause of the 2008 debacle.
You lampoon me for "conveniently ignoring" things. Your post is simply a rehash of debunked right wing talking points. Understanding what happened in 2008 is not hard, but it takes significantly more candle power than you've ever displayed.
I'm going to close the post, since I think you have, together, answered my question: At least in this area, there has been almost no negative stories, or even parts of stories, on the "Occupy Wall Street" protesters.
I'll put up an open post on the protests later, maybe as soon as this Friday.
(Quibblers: Please note the "almost" qualifier.)