July 16, 2011
The right wing's eliminationist rhetoric

Seattle's Dan Savage, editor of The Stranger, on this week's "Real Time with Bill Maher":

"I wish they [Republicans] were all fucking dead":

Savage promptly apologized on the Slog, calling his statement "really, really stupid". Slog commenter "atc" responded:

I'm queer. I'm a Republican. And I will never, ever, ever accept your apology.

That was a Kinsley gaffe. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. Congratulations for showing the world the true contents of your soul.

I don't know what's in Dan Savage's soul.

If someone made the slightest off-key comment pertaining to a group of people -- e.g. blacks, Asians, Muslims, gays, illegal immigrants -- the mainstream media would treat them as an untouchable. -- wish death on Republicans (or Christians)? I wouldn't worry about it.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 16, 2011 09:12 PM | Email This
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1. Leftists are sick people. They need help.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 16, 2011 10:13 PM
2. While interesting, and worth noting, I am more concerned with Bill Maher's bizarre assertion that Obama does not "want to spend more and more and more money" simply because he (supposedly, we don't know) "has the biggest deficit reduction package."

Obama's "deficit reduction package" represents a massive net increase in spending. Obama literally wants to increase taxes, spending, AND debt. That's his plan.

We know that Savage and many other hypocritical leftists hate democracy and pluralism. That won't change, and no amount of proof will convince the left of this fact. But many people do not realize -- apparently including Maher -- that Obama is literally proposing nothing less than but to spend more, and more, and more money.

Posted by: pudge on July 16, 2011 10:35 PM
3. After reading Savage's apology, I am willing to think he didn't mean it.

That said, I still wonder whether he really loves (American-style republican) democracy, pluralism, and diversity, or whether he wouldn't just be happier if he could find ways to force people to think like himself.

But of course the main point is that if a conservative had said this about Democrats, it would be all over for him.

Posted by: pudge on July 16, 2011 10:39 PM
4. You have to remember they are as immature children striking out at that which they cannot control and/or which threatens their playmates and toys.

I say let em say it, say it often and say it loud. America is in crisis and their tantrums just make people turn their back on them.

Hence Obama's 42% (and falling) approval rating.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on July 16, 2011 11:19 PM
5. What Savage said is indefensible. I can't imagine saying those words anywhere, let alone on TV.

But I question your statement that "if a conservative had said this about Democrats, it would be all over for him". Savage is an alternative sex columnist and commentator. (How alternative? He instigated the "santorum" google thing.) He's not a politician or mainstream journalist. I'm not convinced a conservative equivalent has been, or would be, treated any differently.

And if a conservative would be treated differently, could that possibly be because conservatives as a group seem more threatening than liberals since they talk about their gun rights more?

Posted by: Bruce on July 17, 2011 12:01 AM
6. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on July 17, 2011 12:55 AM
7. @3, pudge...You say, "After reading Savage's apology, I am willing to think he didn't mean it". What a LAUGH! Dan Savage is a hard core Leftist. Hard core Leftists DO wish all Republicans were all fucking dead...PERIOD! He deliberately made the remark to get the Statement out there Publically and well noticed. He wants that remark to be heard and to become well known. Yes, he gave a Phony apology for the remark so, he could avoid any serious alarm and action of defense/slap down from not only the Republicans but, from decent Americans as a whole. It was a planned and purposeful introduction to establish that such thinking exists. In time, it will be repeated to point that no apologies will or need be given and it will become acceptable to be the open thinking amongst the hard core Leftists and Leftists of the more common strain.

Think of it this way, hard core Leftist are the same class of People that make/made up the Nazis of Hitler days. I'm sure in the early days, before it became acceptable amongst the German population, that someone made the news and thereby gave exposure to the remark that all Jews should be fucking dead and in time, such a remark being repeated eventually, became acceptable.

Posted by: Daniel on July 17, 2011 01:26 AM
8. Why wouldn't Savage say what he really means?

Why not hold him and every other lefty up to the same standard as they hold Palin and Bachmann; albeit we only need to use a 1x microscope to find a hint of something hidious while they will use a 1600x microscope, not find and it then imply some random word as "code" for hatemongering.

Posted by: Andy on July 17, 2011 08:07 AM
9. Savage is an asshole, fringe left democrat (Synonymous terms, come to think of it) start to finish.

Part of his shtick is the completely bogus claim he makes that he's a Republican.

Well, this particular individual wishes all gay fake Republican "journalists" were embedded with the Taliban.

Until they got their throats ventilated.

Posted by: Hinton on July 17, 2011 11:12 AM
10. This is more of anesthetizing America and I believe it is a concerted effort. Certainly comedians have always pushed the envelope, but this is a new level of debasement with the purpose of normalizing in the public conscience. It is no exactly the same game plan set forth (and implemented) in The Overhauling of Straight America written by by Marshall K. Kirk and Erastes Pill (Hunter Madsen) back in 1987.

It's easy to gain power over a self-indulgent numbed people living in moral chaos and the disintegration of their social institutions.

Just remember the fallen Roman Empire.


Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on July 17, 2011 11:22 AM
11. Bruce @ 5:

Dan Savage is more than a sex columnist. He's the Editorial Director (top name on the masthead) of The Stranger, which, like it or not, is a politically influential newspaper locally. He is a national figure who is often quoted in the media. If any conservative figure of his prominence wished death on any group, it would be a national brouhaha; that person would be suspended from appearing in the mainstream media for some period of time and permanently discredited.

I don't wish death on anybody I have political disagreements with, not even on rich liberal jerks who send their kids to private school but believe that those of lesser means should keep their kids in crappy, future-limiting government schools.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on July 17, 2011 12:48 PM
12. Bruce,
There is simply no defense here. And yet in your typical knee-jerk fashion, you've managed to debase yourself yet again to try and explain away reprehensible public behavior.

Note that in response to Mark Maron saying he'd like to angrily f--- Michelle Bachmann, Savage also said he'd like to do the same to Bachmann's husband Marcus.

And the left thinks that a guy like Savage is worth having as a public voice. Ridiculous.

Double-standard too in the media. Where is there any mention?

I hope a right leaning institute plays this clip in a continual ad loop so that the rest of the USA can learn the true character of your typical Seattle Leftist. And yes this is representative. How many times have we read same kind of disgusting remarks here at SP from lefty commenters?

Challenge their perception of their birthright to impose their ideology on the rest of the world, and you get their vitriol.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 17, 2011 02:35 PM
13. Savage is merely another turd floating in the social and political sewer that is Seattle. He has plenty of company, eh Bruce?

Posted by: Saltherring on July 17, 2011 05:13 PM
14. Bruce: But I question your statement that "if a conservative had said this about Democrats, it would be all over for him". Savage is an alternative sex columnist and commentator. ... He's not a politician or mainstream journalist. I'm not convinced a conservative equivalent has been, or would be, treated any differently.

Check out Media Matters. They bash conservative columnists and commentators all the time for such things. And yes, as Stefan noted, he would be banned from most mainstream media for saying such a thing about the left.


And if a conservative would be treated differently, could that possibly be because conservatives as a group seem more threatening than liberals since they talk about their gun rights more?

Perhaps, but if so, we know that's stupid: most political violence in this country (and most others) comes from the left.


Daniel: I stopped reading when I read "Posted by: Daniel." You're boring and stupid and I don't care what you have to say about anything at all. Please understand this, for your own sake. Nothing you say to me has any meaning of any kind. Nothing personal.


Jeff B.: Marc Maron is a comedian first. Savage is not. There's a bit of a difference. That said, if Dennis Miller or some other conservative, politically minded, comedian said something similar to what Maron did ... of course the backlash would be significant.

The funny thing is that Bachmann is just really scary to the left, including Maron. She is everything they fear in politics: a smart, attractive, woman with a great background in her personal life, education, politics, and business ... who disagrees with them on almost everything. Of course Maron wants to take out his aggression on her sexually: he doesn't know what else to do with her. Certainly, neither Savage nor Maron can stand up to her intellectually, so they and the rest of the left pretends she's just some dumb chick and highlights every gaffe she makes, as though Obama hasn't said worse, more regularly.

(That said, Bachmann is not nearly my first pick for President ... but I have to give props where they are due.)

Posted by: pudge on July 17, 2011 09:44 PM
15. Gee, pudge if you stopped reading anything that I may have posted then, how do you know I made any reference to you within the post on this forum and feel the need to tell me that you stopped reading me. Doesn't make sense does it? Usually, if something doesn't sense it is because, it is not True. You couldn't be telling a falsehood could you? Naah...Not you pudge. You never ever infringe on anybody's right to express himself or to answer any of your personal attacks of name calling. No, you stand for fairness and freedom of speech by calling those who disagree with you as Stupid, Liars, etc, and deleting and banning their posts. Good job pudge

Posted by: Daniel on July 17, 2011 10:37 PM
16. Pudge, I suggest viewing Daniel's posts as performance art. They're a lot more impressive that way.

Posted by: Bruce on July 17, 2011 11:22 PM
17. More proof that leftists should be taking their anti-psychotics.

Posted by: Crusader on July 17, 2011 11:56 PM
18. I wish Dan Savage found his life interesting and exciting enough that he didn't have time to worry about mine.

Posted by: Dishman on July 18, 2011 07:34 AM
19. Bruce, the "gun rights" belong to all of us. You know, the 2nd amendment. I bet the Dem congressman who just had his house broken into and his son grabbed a shotgun scaring off the intruder understands they're his rights too. www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/18/national/main20080312.shtml

Posted by: shaydo on July 18, 2011 08:53 AM
20. Bruce: You've got it bass-ackwards. Conservatives talk about gun rights because they feel threatened by violent criminals, liberals and big government.

Posted by: katomar on July 18, 2011 10:22 AM
21. Gay Men: The Democrats' Reserve Army of Histrionics
In a Slate piece, June Thomas weighs in on the latest dirty politics, namely the rumor that Michele Bachmann's husband Marcus Bachmann is gay. Thomas is dismayed that Dan Savage used his podcast to humiliate Marcus Bachmann for his lisp:
To Savage's ears, it was a gay accent. Savage played the tape over and over, and reprised it several times throughout the podcast. He even did his own Bachmann impression, exaggerating the lisp and camping it up.

Stop for a moment, and let's ask why anybody would respect Savage at all...

... He says extremely nasty things based on a chain of rationalizations. First, he assumes that gay marriage is an unquestionable absolute -- if you do not support it, you hate gay people...

... Second, disagreement means a surrender of civility. Fail his shibboleths and he will respond with barbarity. If he finds out that there are same-sex tendencies in you or someone close to you, he will use the basest forms of anti-gay invective as a weapon against you ...

... Hypothesis 1: Self-Loathing
Dan Savage attacks people like Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, and Marcus Bachmann because he hates homosexuals. Conservatives are a safe target. Something inside Dan Savage wants to call people names...

... Hypothesis 2: Histrionic Personality Disorder
... The causes of this personality disorder are unknown, but interestingly enough, they fit Dan Savage and his gay male acolytes. Obsessed with their physical attractiveness, they turn Gay Pride events into a shameless pornfest. ...

... The histrionic craves attention, makes every activity lascivious, and fears the disapproval or disinterest of others...

... Histrionics blame others for their disappointments. "No, it's not my fault for failing to stand up for myself when bullies called me a pansy -- it's Republicans! It's the Bible! It's the fact that I can only get civil unions!" "I got HIV -- it's Reagan's fault for not talking about AIDs until Rock Hudson died!"

... With histrionics, melodrama always escalates....

... Histrionic Personality Disorder took over the gay movement and rendered homosexuality the perfect tool for the Democratic Party's playbook.

Yes, I know lefties.

I just wonder how long it will take you to call me a 'racist' 'hateful' 'Bible thumping' homophobe because I shared an article I read.

Actually, no I don't wonder 3, 2, ...

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on July 18, 2011 02:17 PM
22. Ragnar stated, "...It's easy to gain power over a self-indulgent numbed people living in moral chaos and the disintegration of their social institutions. Just remember the fallen Roman Empire."

I could not and have not seen a better summation concerning the state of the average voter. Well put sir.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel on July 18, 2011 04:41 PM
23. Ragnar stated, "...It's easy to gain power over a self-indulgent numbed people living in moral chaos and the disintegration of their social institutions. Just remember the fallen Roman Empire."

I could not and have not seen a better summation concerning the state of the average voter. Well put sir.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel on July 18, 2011 04:42 PM
24. sorry for the double post. and that should have said, "I could not have written and have not seen..."

A thousand pardons.

Posted by: Secret Squirrel on July 18, 2011 05:28 PM
26. What's worse than Savage's statement is the insanity of so many of the commentators in that Stranger article. Downright scary that some people think like that.

Posted by: Seattle Joe on July 19, 2011 03:15 PM
27. The thing about Savage's comment is that he really believes what he said.People tend to be more diplomatic in their banter when they're grouped amongst a more diverse ideologically thinking crowd. What Savage did was vent his true feelings about Republicans while in the safe environs of fellow extreme leftists like those on Maher's bizarre sideshow on HBO. They feed on each other's hate and one thing leads to another and someone ends up crossing the boundaries of what they speak privately, but would normally self-censor while speaking in public. Savage may be "sorry" he said it, but it's only that he had done so in a public forum. I don't accept any apology he offers because it isn't genuine. The liberal religion has that affect on many of its members and Savage simply vented his true feelings about another political on the wrong public forum. So much for all that "diversity" of opinion stuff, eh Dan?

Posted by: Rick D. on July 19, 2011 07:05 PM
28. I have been intrigued at times by the Stranger, but Dan Savage shows that he is mentally ill and hopefully for the sake of humanity and the gene pool, he hasn't contributed to bringing any children into the world.

Posted by: KDS on July 19, 2011 07:27 PM
29. Rick D...I don't think Savage is the least bit sorry he said it...PERIOD! He deliberately said it to get the message out there to the general public, pure and simple. Yeah, he gave an apology but, that was just, a cover to protect himself and the remark from an overwhelming dissent from the decent side of American Society. The reason for the apology is for the remark to survive rather than, being destroyed by again, an overwhelming public outcry. Now, that those voices have been quieted, the message still survives and from time to time will be repeated here and there from other sources until no apology is necessary. Yeah, that's the way the game is being played for this Evil to get a foothold and Grow.

Posted by: Daniel on July 19, 2011 08:09 PM
30. I'll tell you what's in Dan Savage's Soul.

Feltch.

He often spoke of it in his radio days.

Of course it could also be flu infected mucous.

Which he slathered onto Gary Bauer's keyboards and doorknobs in his Iowa headquarters which Savage infiltrated.

I didn't read all the posts. Sorry if I'm duplicating them.

And I'm also sorry if I'm not.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on July 20, 2011 02:01 AM
31. I'll tell you what's in Dan Savage's Soul.

Feltch.

He often spoke of it in his radio days.

Of course it could also be flu infected mucous.

Which he slathered onto Gary Bauer's keyboards and doorknobs in his Iowa headquarters which Savage infiltrated.

I didn't read all the posts. Sorry if I'm duplicating them.

And I'm also sorry if I'm not.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on July 20, 2011 02:04 AM
32. Joel Connelly is so proud of his media son!

Posted by: Col. Hogan on July 20, 2011 07:19 AM
33. Is this the same Dan Savage who was photographed dancing, in a white wedding dress, with outoing Governor Mike Lowry at Gary Locke's inauguration in 1997? And no, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Saltherring on July 20, 2011 08:23 AM
34. Liberal hypocrisy in action.

Media Love Anti-bullying Bully Who Wishes Republicans Were 'All F**king Dead'

Dan Savage hates bullying. Make that some bullying. Admirably, Savage hates it when gay teens get bullied. Less admirably, Savage doesn't hesitate to bully, smear and malign those who disagree with him.

... But a closer look at some of Savages appearances and columns raises serious questions. Is he really the best spokesman for the gay agenda? Should they uncritically publicize the anti-bullying activism of a notorious political bully?

...And the anti-bullying activist has no qualms about trying to bully media outlets into removing conservative voices from the air.

...He said to Joy Behar on the October 12, 2010 broadcast of the 'Joy Behar Show' that Paladino was "[spewing] just this kind of violent, degrading garbage into our culture, into the discourse, and into our politics. It has no place in American life."

Coming from a man with a history of violent, Republican-hating, gruesome sexual rhetoric against social conservatives, that is a Savage irony.

What a vile, little ... (?) man.

Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on July 20, 2011 01:26 PM
35. Salty,

I can't confirm the story to which you refer, but I can confirm that Dan is a tall man who delights in donning women's clothing for events open to the general public. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

He makes a very striking figure.

He also defends his open "marriage", and he and his partner have one or two adopted children thanks to the "breeders".

He considers "breeders" to be a low form of life, but does love their children.

Some years back he wrote a book about he and his partner raising their adopted child. The final results of the experiment are not in yet, but probably not much worse than the results of child raising by many of the "breeders".

At least that's what I'm told by my liberal friends, and from watching and reading the news, I reluctantly agree.


Posted by: Bart Cannon on July 20, 2011 01:34 PM
36. Even though the headline is I'm not sure it gets any more despicable than this, I say it does in the LAUGHTER and agreement of the audience lemmings.

I believe it was Malcolm Muggeridge who once said that the depravity of man is the most unpopular of dogmas yet the most empirically verifiable.
Posted by: RagnarDanneskold on July 20, 2011 01:49 PM
37. Savage is a known pedophile

Posted by: Hellpig on July 20, 2011 01:52 PM
38. (deleted as spam)

Posted by: Johnny Sombrerro on July 20, 2011 06:27 PM
39. Democrats are not protected, as they created the racism inherit today.

Fixed that for you, Johnny. But only to illustrate the reality of history and not that of your poor public education. The Republicans got the civil rights act of 1964 passed despite the efforts of Democratic racist/stalwart Robert Byrd (D-WV) to filibuster of the legislation, which of course,much like his party then and now, failed. Democrats further isolate groups by focusing on our differences rather than our similarities.

If anyone in this country has "created the racism inherit today", it would be the Democrat party of which yourself and Dan Savage belong to. Reality sucks, don't it?

Posted by: Rick D. on July 21, 2011 10:32 AM
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