March 22, 2011
Violence and threats continue against Gov. Walker and Republicans in Wisconsin

The threats are continuing in Wisconsin. First, there were death threats against Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and other Republicans before the unions flooded the capitol and made the national news. I posted that on February 17, 2011.

Those of us reading conservative sources saw daily reports of threats, violence and vandalism in Madison, Wisconsin. Law professor/blogger Ann Althouse made daily reports with photographs and videos.

The threats continue.  Ann Althouse posted the following threat against her and her husband on March 17, 2011.

We will picket on public property as close to your house as we can every day. We will harrass the ever loving shit out of you all the time. Campus is OCCUPIED. State street is OCCUPIED. The Square is OCCUPIED. Vilas, Schenk's Corners, Atwood, Willy Street - Occupied, Occupied, Occupied, Occupied. Did you really think it was all about the Capitol? **** the Capitol, we are the CITY... We have the numbers and we don't back down from anyone. We all know each other. We all know each other. We know each other from Service Industry Night at the Orpheum, because we're regulars at the same coffee shops, restaurants and bars, we know each other from the co-ops, we know each other because we've had a million jobs each (and we all worked at CapTel at least once), because we live in every shitty townie house in ever-changing groups of 2 - 7 people, because we are ***** *** ***** and screw each other incessantly, because we're all on facebook, and because we aren't anti-social, life-denying, world-sterilizing pieces of human garbage like the two of you. WE WILL F*** YOU UP. We will throw our baseballs in your lawn, you cranky old pieces of shit, and then we will come get them back. What are you gonna do? Shoot us? Get Wausau Tea Patriots to form an ad hoc militia on your front lawn? That would be ******* HILAROUS to us. You could get to know the assholes on your side in real ******* life instead of sponging off the civil society we provide for you every single day you draw breath."

That is just one of four pages. The source she links to has been removed, but at this time the full source is at http://www.scribd.com/doc/51055085/Lefty-Troll-Threats

Big Journalism documents 20 days of threats with links, photos and videos. They include:

  • Wisconsin State Rep-D Gordon Hintz Shouts 'You Are F***ing Dead' to Female GOP Rep.
  • GOP State Senator Grothman mobbed by union protesters at State Capitol
  • Teachers disrupt WI Representative meeting
  • Live ammunition found at WI Capitol
  • Death threat emailed to all WI State Senators
  • Vandalism in Capitol building - day after day
  • Police, Fire, and Teachers Unions threaten WI businesses with boycotts if they don't oppose Governor Walker. Economic Freedom
  • Windows on Senator Dan Kapanke's car were broken in Madison and his wife reported nails strewn on their driveway
Is this the new civility the news media have been promoting? Posted by Ron Hebron at March 22, 2011 05:23 PM | Email This
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1. Hmmmm. We enjoyed a couple of weeks there of liberal "journalists" spouting calls for civility in the wake of the Tuscon shootings (remember, its for Gabby). There was no evidence to tie the crazy gee-bo to the tea party, but that didn't stop the alphabet networks from implying it was caused by conservative incivility.

They could'nt pin the shootings on conservatives or the tea party so the coverage went away.
Fast forward to the here and now. Conservatives in Wisconsin are on the recieving end of Democratic party "civility" and the liberal media are suddenly mute despite all the video, recordings, copies, photographs, etc. .....prominent evidence of liberal "civility" and calls to violence.

Posted by: Attila on March 22, 2011 05:55 PM
2. Hell hath no fury like a tolerant, enlightened progressive.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 22, 2011 05:55 PM
3. Problem is that the progressives don't know what the hell they are talking about and don't care- their facts are inaccurate on purpose, as they are trying to incite a crowd. How about some pushback by the Tea Party and counter demonstrations. If left unchecked, they will continue until they are confronted.

There never was civility - see James Taranto's article in the WSJ last week. It's time to confront these wannabe terrorists in a less than civil manner, since they have no intention of being civil.

Posted by: KDS on March 22, 2011 07:10 PM
4. ahem, what was it that democrats were saying just a few weeks ago about "civil discourse"?

Posted by: Michele on March 22, 2011 07:11 PM
5. Wow! Quite the exaggerations. I am a Walker supporter and have been at the Capitol counter protesting almost daily. I wish the Libs would do something aggressive or violent, but they are very Peaceful in their protests and the capitol itself really has not been vandalized.

Lets not resort to fear mongering here. People have different political beliefs and they are respectfully expressing it.

Posted by: ProWalker on March 22, 2011 07:33 PM
6. Gee...ProWalker. Another Liberal pretending he's a Conservative. What a Surprise!

Posted by: Daniel on March 22, 2011 08:23 PM
7. Those of us reading conservative sources saw daily reports of threats, violence and vandalism in Madison, Wisconsin.

Readers of conservative sources also "know" that evolution and global warming lack scientific support, while somehow not knowing anything about Rush Limbaugh's extensive drug use.

Law professor/blogger Ann Althouse made daily reports with photographs and videos.

Before or after her daily box of wine?

But hey, if you're going to cite hilariously unreliable sources, go all out. Cite a source which has repeatedly used deceptively-edited videos to attack liberals:

Big Journalism documents 20 days of threats with links, photos and videos.

Mission accomplished!

Since chronic murderous violence against medical personnel and medical facilities has not, in the eyes of the posters and commenters here, discredited the anti-choice movement, can we assume that mere threats -- reported by the least reliable of sources, no less -- does not in any way tarnish the workers' rights movement?

Posted by: tensor on March 22, 2011 09:00 PM
8. Readers of conservative sources also "know" that evolution and global warming lack scientific support, while somehow not knowing anything about Rush Limbaugh's extensive drug use.

False. You are lying again tensor.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 22, 2011 09:23 PM
9. Tensor,

Are you suggesting the death threats for the Wisconsin GOP are coming from Republicans? That it's GOP and Tea Party folks who have trashed that State's capitol building?

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on March 22, 2011 09:25 PM
10. Tensor and prowalker are defending the indefensible because their side is losing power and corruption along with it. The only anti-choice movement is the public sector Unions.

Posted by: KDS on March 22, 2011 09:39 PM
11. Well said KDS,

History is leaving public sector unions in the dust. Special privileges for a small percentage to get overpaid and to "retire" at 55 with a lifetime pension? That brick won't fly anymore. The vast majority can see that in order to prevent further fiscal collapse we need to reign in the unfunded promises and get people use to hard work.

More than half the states have dumped the unions, with more to follow because it is the only thing they can afford. Even as the angry nuts descended on Madison, other states were dumping collective bargaining and mandatory union dues.

They are angry because the ship already left port and they are mad they were too hungover with corruption and missed the final boarding call.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 22, 2011 10:00 PM
12. With an attitude like that expressed in the threats, who would want to hire these people?

Posted by: Monterey on March 22, 2011 10:03 PM
13. Dimebag, please step away from your bong BEFORE you post.

There's a good fellow.

Posted by: hinton on March 22, 2011 10:09 PM
14. Tensor,

Maybe you'd like a source closer to your point of view? Would that help?

Here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/shame-ignoring-death-thre_b_835805.html

Read it. And then shut up.

Posted by: jimg on March 22, 2011 10:39 PM
15. Apparently, the teachers in Wisconsin were getting not 10, not 20, or even 30 sick days a year; they were getting 90 sick days a year.

Really, trolls? You think that's reasonable? Really?

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20110319/OSH0105/110318132/Union-concessions-would-save-Oshkosh-district-least-4-million-renegotiated-contracts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Posted by: Michele on March 22, 2011 10:40 PM
16. Are you suggesting the death threats for the Wisconsin GOP are coming from Republicans? That it's GOP and Tea Party folks who have trashed that State's capitol building?

No. I am saying (not "suggesting") that the sources cited here are unreliable. Please learn to read.

False. You are lying again tensor.

Since you have not provided any evidence of my past lying, your claim fails for lack of your support.

Tensor and prowalker are defending the indefensible because their side is losing power and corruption along with it.

Have you any evidence that union supporters in Wisconsin have shot and bombed their political opponents?

Again, since actual terrorism hasn't discredited the anti-choice position here, self-serving reports of union-made threats by anti-union sources should have equally little effect.

Dimebag, please step away from your bong BEFORE you post.

The very large amounts of heavily psychotropic drugs your doctors have recommended aren't yet working, Hinton. Up the dosage!

Posted by: tensor on March 22, 2011 10:41 PM
17. "...instead of sponging off the civil society we provide for you every single day you draw breath"

Hmm yes, this mentally deranged leftist actually believes that sending a death threat to a political opponent is appropriate in order to promote a "civil society".

Nuttier that squirrel turds, but then, that's the religion of liberalism for you.

Posted by: Rick D. on March 22, 2011 10:41 PM
18. Apparently, the teachers in Wisconsin were getting not 10, not 20, or even 30 sick days a year; they were getting 90 sick days a year.

Because spending many hours a day in the company of many children does not expose a teacher to multiple diseases. (Those court orders, forbidding you contact with children, are taking their toll, eh?)

Posted by: tensor on March 22, 2011 10:53 PM
19. ...can we assume that mere threats...does not in any way tarnish the workers' rights movement?

Um, there is no "right" for public employees to collectively bargain, genius. Just ask federal employees that were denied such ahem "rights" by Jimmy Carter(D) and a Democrat congress back in the day.

Posted by: Rick D. on March 22, 2011 10:54 PM
20. "A civil society?" I wonder if the trolls think their extreme radical leftist friends here at this link are "civil"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvlvejSxBVQ&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Michele on March 22, 2011 10:55 PM
21. Tensor wrote:

No. I am saying (not "suggesting") that the sources cited here are unreliable. Please learn to read.

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt; however, you've confirmed your hyper-partisanship and loss of connection to reality. Oh well...

Of course, you probably believed Dan Rather's made-up memos about President Bush's National Guard duty as well, right?

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on March 22, 2011 11:03 PM
22. Um, there is no "right" for public employees to collectively bargain, genius.

King George III and a majority of the Parliament agreed the American colonists had no "right" to oppose "taxation without representation." How'd that work out?

"A civil society?" I wonder if the trolls think their extreme radical leftist friends here at this link are "civil"?

Whilst bombing medical facilities, and shooting doctors, are the very epitome of civil discourse. Just ask any anti-choice advocate.

Posted by: tensor on March 22, 2011 11:07 PM
23. Amazing that tensor even tried to defend the indefensible 90 sick-days WI teachers were getting. And they wonder why people think unions want to get paid for doing nothing.

Posted by: Michele on March 22, 2011 11:07 PM
24. Amazing that tensor even tried to defend the indefensible 90 sick-days WI teachers were getting/

Because children don't conduct diseases well. How long has that restraining order been in effect, Michelle?

Posted by: tensor on March 22, 2011 11:09 PM
25. King George III and a majority of the Parliament agreed the American colonists had no "right" to oppose "taxation without representation."

So you're comparing YOUR fellow liberal Jimmy "the nut" Carter and his Democrat controlled congress to King George III for eliminating collective bargaining "rights" for federal employees?

Not sure how that affects a states right issue such as that in WI, but whatever makes you sleep at night, tensor.

Posted by: Rick D. on March 22, 2011 11:19 PM
26. Listen up tensor, demo kid, this is for you:

Here is reasonable liberal, Lee Stranahan. He's talking to you.

He's reasonable because like Bruce who comments here, he engages is reasonable debate. For example he believes in unemployment subsidy, but had the audacity to question how many weeks it should last, 99? For that, he was shouted down by unreasonable leftist idealogues like yourselves. People for whom there is no way but your way. People that like Demo Kid Andrew did, suggest to me that I commit suicide because he disagreed with me. That's not civil debate.

Now you can pretend to yourself that everything Ann Althouse is saying is false. You can pretend that the pictures of damage to the WI Capitol building don't exist. You can attempt to defend that by rambling on with some Red Herring about Rush Limbaugh. You can pretend that threats and name calling are arguments. But you are convincing no one.

And that's why people like Lee Stranahan and many other liberals, Democrats, moderates and libertarians are running away from your aggressive and vile stances to anyone that does not subscribe lockstep to your ideology.

Look in the mirror. It's an ugly, angry, unbreakable image.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 22, 2011 11:28 PM
27. Here is reasonable liberal,

Because we so totally endorse your definitions of "reasonable" and "liberal".

Again, actual violence against doctors and medical facilities has never received so much as a whisper of criticism here. That alone demonstrates your real opposition to terrorism.

Not sure how that affects a states right issue such as that in WI, but whatever makes you sleep at night, tensor.

I wasn't aware that a state had rights superior to those rights enjoyed by a citizen, but then, I was never sympathetic to the "states' rights" arguments of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Trent Lott, etc. I'm sure you sleep well with those (loudly self-professed) heterosexual gentlemen.

Posted by: tensor on March 23, 2011 12:10 AM
28. tensor,
You've had your ass handed to you here. Don't you realize that you are playing chess with yourself?

Posted by: jode on March 23, 2011 12:20 AM
29. Don't you realize that you are playing chess with yourself?

I'm not the one repeatedly failing to condemn actual terrorist violence, dear.

Posted by: tensor on March 23, 2011 12:43 AM
30. jode, don't bother. He's lapsed into 13-yr-old antics and believes himself to be funny, even if everyone else does not.

Posted by: Michele on March 23, 2011 02:19 AM
31. Here's a chuckle for all the conservatives in here, which I heard from a friend (not confirmed, but worth a chuckle or two):
"Obama has now fired more cruise missiles than all other Nobel Peace Prize winners combined."

You go, Mr. President.

Posted by: Michele on March 23, 2011 02:28 AM
32. I wasn't aware that a state had rights superior to those rights enjoyed by a citizen...

You appear to be unaware of a lot of things. Why would this issue be any different?

Posted by: Rick D. on March 23, 2011 06:26 AM
33. Gee tensor, if I didn't know better I might think you were trying to change the subject.

Violence against your political opponents is wrong, period. Your attempts at moral equivalency are embarrassing to watch.

Posted by: RookieRick on March 23, 2011 06:55 AM
34. Let's see Tensor, teachers get 90 days sick leave (unsubstantiated) plus 60 or so days off for the summer plus vacation time plus holiday time off plus PTO and probably others. That's at least 5+ months not working for a yearly salary. That sounds reasonable? Taxpayers shouldn't begin to question anything about public employee benefits? I'm not sure which sheep herd you hail from.

Posted by: shaydo on March 23, 2011 06:59 AM
35. It's even worse than that. Remember that's 90 work days, so it's a lot more than 3 months. The standard school year is only 180 days. So, the teachers can call in sick for half of their work year, which is already only 3/4 of a year.

Posted by: Ken on March 23, 2011 08:55 AM
36. I wish people would stick to the issue at hand. Both "sides" can point to an endless string of inflamatory words and there is no way to know what is planted, what is dopey off-the-cuff, and what is really malicious. Now we have northern ireland going on here because some human beings make everybody look mean. I remember when they were advocating spearing indians, in the moment they felt justified, now they just feel foolish. All those injuries just pile up begging for an explosion. So, my question is: Have public employees caused our budget problems? I want to see some thorough analysis. Emphasis on thorough.

Posted by: Professor Reality on March 23, 2011 12:50 PM
37. tensor's obsession with abortion clinic violence led me to look for coverage in the enlightened-left's favorite fish-wrap, N.Y. Times, albeit online. In a search for abortion and violence in the last year, I observed nothing of the sort. For any such events, I'm sure it would be page 1, above the fold. Perhaps he can educate us on this epidemic?

Posted by: yaddacubed on March 23, 2011 01:32 PM
38. I am seriously thinking about switching party's. It is no fun obeying the law. I want to make death threats with never being arrested. I want to damage government property and never be arrested. I want to damage cars of people I disagree with and never be arrested.
No I guess not. I couldn't live with myself if I turned into a scum sucking hypocrite. Someone who has no re-guard for the law. Only stripping our state of every last dollar to fund their pockets. Don't even tell me that the children will suffer in the schools. You jerks pulled them out to protest. You people are the lowest of lows. Put then the parents that let this happen are just as bad.
Gov. Walker is my hero.

Posted by: Kattrina on March 23, 2011 05:29 PM
39. People who murder abortionists are awful. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

People who plant bombs at abortion clinics are awful. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Left wing union goons, even in large numbers, who make death threats against public officals and political opponents are awful. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Homosexuals and junkies who infect and re-infect people with HIV, hepatitis ad nauseum are awful. They should be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Attila on March 23, 2011 05:44 PM
40. Hey, we are A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S. Who needs that biased and corrupted public school system, that nest of leftist leeches that are sucking the blood out of the hard-working taxpayers? Unions and public wrokers are the root of all evil, the cause of all deficits. No way. I'm not contributing to the misery of our sons and grandsons. I don't want them enslaved by their Chinese masters! No. Let's drop out of school, just like our dear Gov. Walker, our hero, our inspiration. Let's eliminate the public school system and public universities!

Posted by: Boycottman on March 24, 2011 06:55 AM
41. Considering that it's union bosses who are telling their minions that they should get out there and spill blood, I think these goons should be fully prepared to face consequences of their actions, and it probably won't be legal. People will get fed up soon enough and push back. I hate to see it happen, but AFL-CIO, SEIU and their like will be fully to blame if the situation erupts in all out violence.

Posted by: katomar on March 24, 2011 10:06 AM
42. How can people be "sponging off of the civil society they provide" when they pay his salary with their taxes. Could this idiot be any more clueless? In fact he is sponging off of every taxpayer in Wisconsin.

Posted by: kevin on March 24, 2011 03:15 PM
43. Ron Hebron will you be posting your outrage about this?
An Indiana deputy prosecutor and Republican activist resigned Thursday after the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism uncovered an email to Gov. Scott Walker in which he suggested a fake attack on the governor to discredit union protesters.
Carlos F. Lam submitted his resignation shortly before the Center published a story quoting his Feb. 19 email, which praised Walker for standing up to unions but went on to say that the chaos in Wisconsin presented "a good opportunity for what's called a 'false flag' operation."
"If you could employ an associate who pretends to be sympathetic to the unions" cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you), you could discredit the unions," the email said.
"Currently, the media is painting the union protest as a democratic uprising and failing to mention the role of the DNC and umbrella union organizations in the protest. Employing a false flag operation would assist in undercutting any support that the media may be creating in favor of the unions. God bless, Carlos F. Lam."
Lam is the second Indiana prosecutor to resign over suggestions to use violence in Wisconsin.
He sent this email the same Saturday on which another Indiana law-enforcement figure, state Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Cox, tweeted that riot police should "use live ammunition" to clear the Capitol of protesters.

How about the peanut gallery? Surely you are apoplectic over such repeatedly uncivil discourse by officials being paid with tax dollars?

And Tensor, how could you dare doubt the intrepid journalism of Ann Althouse?
Just because Union Thugs are apparently smart enough to be able to write untraceable threats and Republican public officials charged with fighting crime repeatedly get caught red handed does not mean the wine guzzling blogger's reporting is a joke only to be believed and taken seriously by wishful thinking morons.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on March 24, 2011 07:34 PM
44. Any minute now, here it comes. It's Bush's fault! Pretty cute obfuscation, Mike BS, but no cigar.

Posted by: katomar on March 24, 2011 08:25 PM
45. Hi MikeBS,

I can barely wait to see if the liberal protesters calling for violence can bear the pressure now of being shown to be hypocrites. I mean, these guys you're talking about had some integrity and resigned their positions; how many of these violent lefties in WI could bear to resign their comfy positions over their barely veiled threats?

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on March 26, 2011 01:12 PM
46. Here's the impetus behind the violence and Demorat thugs. It all about political power in campaign contributions which was dealt a blow by this WI law and let the debt and taxpayers be damned. To them it matters not what is good for the country - only what is good for the Democratic party - selfishness and narcissism have hit all time highs.

It is explained more in depth


here


Keep this in mind during upcoming elections. The culture war is in full swing.

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