September 29, 2010
Mike McGinn's War on Cars

Recent Seattle Times headlines:

"McGinn plan for street parking would exceed NYC rate"

"Seattle City Council raises parking lot tax, authorizes citywide taxing district"

and that's in addition to McGinn's new $20 car-tab tax.

Meanwhile, Mayor McGinn is spending the Transportation Fund on "road diets": "Number of lanes to be reduced on Greenwood Avenue North" City officials claim the lane reduction will supposedly improve traffic. Color me skeptical.

That's just part of the orgy of bicycle projects.

The Mayor seems more interested in punishing people for driving than he is in making it easier for us to actually, you know, get around town.

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Comments
1. Good luck to all the businesses in Seattle after McGinn institutes all this stuff.
You're going to need it.

Posted by: Michele on September 29, 2010 09:44 PM
2. Just getting ready to live like China for when they take us over.

Posted by: Matt M. on September 29, 2010 10:39 PM
3. politicians--they just don't get it--disconnected from real life; so--I want to visit SEA & spend $$ at the Aquarium with family; have a pass, but NOW, the parking meter ticking makes me rush around to minimize costs; stay? linger & spend $$ in the Market or along the waterfront? nope. now, I'm uneasy. sure--it's a small cost, but an irritant; an affront; another pebble in my shoe; like a poke in the eye to someone who WANTS to visit & spend; oh--sure--I can take a bus (or 3-4 busses in 6 hours) and carry packages or a stroller/child seat--yea--fun; never mind; I'm off with my $$$ & car to the east side or peninsula; even if I spend MORE; if I'm spending, I'm spending where they WANT me to feel comfortable and relaxed; hey McGinn--those cranes on the east side are building things---are YOU?

Posted by: jimmie howya-doin on September 29, 2010 11:02 PM
4. Cyclofascists like McGinn will kill business in downtown and then what? If liberalism is indeed a mental disorder, McGinn is exhibit A.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 30, 2010 06:56 AM
5. The voters must love paying taxes. I'll never shop in Seattle again. I'm done. I would like to buy a new pickup but they are 50k and the sales tax and license adds another 5k. Not going to do it. Yet 50 percent of the voters love them democrats!

Posted by: mark on September 30, 2010 07:04 AM
6. The Seattle Marxists are too stupid to realize that in attempting to create their letist utopia they will drive away the people who pay the bills. Bicycles, buses and choo-choo trains. How Mao-tse-dung.

And didya ever notice....nothing leftists advocate, adopt or produce earns money or even begins to pay for itself. So when their grand schemes fail the 'regressive' government offers the usual excuses and begins shaking down the fools that elected them. Don't city dwellers just deserve each other?

Posted by: Saltherring on September 30, 2010 07:12 AM
7. The Mayor is obviously a VERY shrewd man.

His efforts on the the behalf of our city's 7,000 daily bicyclists will reward him with 100% of their vote.

Now. He merely needs to come up with a plan to get the other 110,000 or so votes that will get him re-elected in spite of his bike boxes.

By the way, the Mayor was recently video taped riding his motorized bicycle through a stop sign without stopping. Then he boasted about it.

Isn't that a motor vehicle ?

Shouldn't it be licensed as such ?

Bicycles and bicyclists should be licensed if they are to become the priority users and vehicles on Seattle City Streets.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on September 30, 2010 07:17 AM
8. The productive commerce within downtown Seattle has been dying for many years. Seattle's sidewalks use to be filled with visitors and shoppers but now, is nearly empty of any shoppers or visitors. Yes, the commercial districts are a shadow of what use to be and all thanks to Liberal governance that charges/taxes and restricts the citizens more and more and gives the citizens less and less.

Seattle is becoming more of a Liberal heaven/Hell hole with each passing year. It is no longer a place to visit but, a place to avoid...PERIOD!

Posted by: Daniel on September 30, 2010 07:17 AM
9. Our great city, under it's current leadership is trying it's best to return to it's former self :)

Posted by: Duffman on September 30, 2010 07:26 AM
10. A fine example is how they reduced Nickerson to one lane in each direction between the Ballard and Fremont bridges to add a bicycle lane in each direction...

They apparently failed to notice that there is an actual 8 foot wide bike/pedestrian path a mere 50 yards away on the South side of the Ship Canal?

If its actually better to have bikes on the street than on a dedicated path that goes along said road, could someone please explain that to me?

Posted by: daveo on September 30, 2010 07:58 AM
11. I have no intention of visiting Seattle again in my lifetime. Such stores and shops as I have, in the past frequented there are either out of business or moved to the eastside.

As for the stupid regulations, irresponsible governance and orgy of taxation going on over there, people get the government they deserve.

As for Mr McGuin's voter base, well they say dead men don't drive. So long as he can reliably call out the graveyard vote I suppose he's safe.

Posted by: bfr on September 30, 2010 07:58 AM
12. Speaking of the "grave yard vote".

The car vs. bicycle wars are underway.

Many of you will remember the motorist who, last year, decided to drive through the wall of bicyclists on one of their Friday / Rush hour protest rides.

Last week a motorist in Portland decided to just start bumping bicyclists from behind. I guess that was HIS protest.

It's going to get dangerous out there.

Mostly for the anarchist bicycle people, but not long ago the director of the Cascade Bicycle Club was severely beaten by a male and female pair of lightless bicyclists whom he came upon from behind at night and suggested they get lights.

He told them that he had some lights he would give them if they followed him home.

Big mistake. I think he was beaten in his own front yard for his generosity and opinion.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on September 30, 2010 08:36 AM
13. I hear the mayor has proposed a compromise on the proposed tunnel. He'll support it if it's for bikes only.

Posted by: JimmyTheGeek on September 30, 2010 08:36 AM
14. all your parking problems can be solved by simply getting a handicap sticker.....I hear they're giving them away without a blink of an eye....

handicap parking is everywhere...you can park at any meter for free.....

lets all do it.....

then the Seattle limosine liberals will have to hatch a new plan to soak the people.....maybe a tax for walking the sidewalk?

Posted by: lee on September 30, 2010 08:52 AM
15. Isn't the guy who owns Bellevue Square a solid republican and big contributor to conservative causes?

The Seattle mayor is doing the GOP in this state a heck of a favor.

Posted by: johnny on September 30, 2010 09:04 AM
16.
Real conservatives would park in a parking lot.

Posted by: John Bailo on September 30, 2010 09:18 AM
17. Because Seattle and its downtown are overly dense, the cost per sq. ft. is much higher than elsewhere. In fact, people who use the street to park, are getting away with murder financially. I agree that Free Market economics should play in downtown. A real Conservative would not be asking the Government to subsidize something for beyond market rates and would simply park in a parking garage...a commercial one run by businessman.

Don't like the high fees?

There are lower cost alternatives. You could move your business to Issaquah where parking is free and the lifestyle is much better. Or, why not Tri-Cities? Richland, WA is probably going to be the "next Seattle" so get in early while you can still get a 3-bedroom for $200K.

Seattle is undergoing Shock Therapy for a system that for too long has held back real costs from the public. Welcome to reality.

Posted by: John Bailo on September 30, 2010 09:35 AM
18. How much is he going to charge for bikes to park in Seattle? They are taking up resources too.

Posted by: Dengle on September 30, 2010 09:39 AM
19. #17 Many are apparently doing that...my brother-in-law is a builder there (Pasco) and there's been no slack in his economy. :)

Posted by: Duffman on September 30, 2010 09:40 AM
20. #19

It also has wonderful bicycle resources...a more extensive trail system than Seattle and with more flat roads to ride on. They even have separate bike and pedestrian trails!

Plus they seem to have jobs for people wanting to move there.

Oh...and they have this other thing a few people enjoy.

Sunshine.

Posted by: John Bailo on September 30, 2010 09:45 AM
21. Gee, now people can pay 7 days a week to be hasseled by vagrants, misunderstood youth, and annoying panhandlers. I am so happy our office is not located downtown anymore. The council has no problem coming up with funding for their pet projects and then they have the nerve to raise taxes for basic road maintenance and other necessary services. If the head of the city council thinks we have $3 billion for a tunnel, then we certainly have money for the essential services.

If the mayor and city council were truly serious about the budget, they would start with a 10% salary cut for anyone making over $60,000 per year. Give people a choice between a pay cut and their jobs and you won't see a mass exodus. And tell the unions to stuff it.

Posted by: Burdabee on September 30, 2010 09:58 AM
22. They elected a "community activist" environmental lawyer instead of a proven businessman because, apparently, working for a for-profit businessman makes you a crypto Republican.

The nimrods in Seattle got what they paid for.

Although I do feel bad about the people who voted for Joe Mallahan.

Posted by: cliff on September 30, 2010 10:20 AM
23. The bicycle focus should be on whether the street use tab for bicycles in Seattle should be $30 or %45 per year. Of course there should be State tab requirement too, perhaps $20/yr.

Posted by: Paddy on September 30, 2010 10:45 AM
24. Matt @ 2:

Amazingly, China is embracing the car. And actual bicycles are rather rare; you see a TON of electric and gas scooters, but pedal-powered vehicles are becoming a rare sighting over in Shanghai and much of China.

Again, this is further proof that China's advancing to where the US was 20 years ago, and we're retreating to where they were 40 years ago...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 30, 2010 10:57 AM
25. This morning - like every morning - bicyclists getting off the ferry at the Colman dock started blowing through the stop sign at Western and Spring. As I was driving south on Western through the intersection (after making a complete stop at the sign), a moron cyclist flew through the stop on Spring and took a fast left headed north on Western. I nearly ran him over. I slammed on my brakes and hit my horn, and the guy stopped his bike and started screaming at me.

This happens EVERY DAY. And I have yet to see any enforcement efforts that target these people.

It is absolutely insane that bicyclists are being given a complete free pass to violate traffic laws in this city. Insane. Weaving through traffic, traveling the wrong way on one-way streets, not obeying stop signs and signals. And there is no way to report them, as they don't have any licensing requirements.

With the increasing takeover of roadways by these jerks, there really needs to be a serious effort to enforce the law.

I won't hold my breath...

Posted by: AF Seattle on September 30, 2010 11:01 AM
26. NO!! The north Greenwood route is the (quasi)secret low-congestion north-south arterial to bypass I-5, 99, and Lake City Way during rush hour. It's particularly helpful for westsiders like myself for whom anything east is a major diversion. If Greenwood had 1 more lane (center turn lane) to bypass buses on the right and left-turners on the left, it would be the PERFECT route. Now is NOT the time to REDUCE capacity and ensure everyone gets stuck behind buses and commercial vehicles!

Otherwise, I actually agree with John Bailo when he says, "Seattle is undergoing Shock Therapy for a system that for too long has held back real costs from the public. Welcome to reality." It's time to put up the cash for what you use. The only part I don't get is why he/they don't follow their own advice and propose the same for cyclists, who are increasingly VIP members (Eloi) collecting rent from the losses mandated of motorists (Morlocks) by Chairman MaoGinn.

Posted by: gulliver on September 30, 2010 11:59 AM
27. This very topic is presently being discussed on the Dori Monson Show, KIRO-FM 97.3. :)

Posted by: Duffman on September 30, 2010 12:19 PM
28. I attended a meeting last night with the deputy mayor. He said the following:

--budget proposal includes three areas which will not be cut but rather enhanced. They are: 1) more monies for kids and families initiatives. The kinds of things he rattled off seemed duplicative of non-profits and the Seattle School District, but hey...2) more monies for "walkability and biking" in the city. He said that the reason so much money is going for bikes is that historically all the money went for cars. Hmmmm. My Sound Transit, Monorail, and Metro money went where? Much less, indeed, 97% of people commute by car or bus in this city...and 3) (swallow coffee before reading this) a new initiative to train people on how to be community organizers (I thought that is what our non-profits and churches did). He even said it was ok if the result of the community organizing protested against the City. Nice of him.

So there you have it. Every time you pay $4.50 to park for two hours think of all the community organizing and bike boxes you're buying.

Posted by: shelterwood on September 30, 2010 01:09 PM
29. I attended a meeting last night with the deputy mayor. He said the following:

--budget proposal includes three areas which will not be cut but rather enhanced. They are: 1) more monies for kids and families initiatives. The kinds of things he rattled off seemed duplicative of non-profits and the Seattle School District, but hey...2) more monies for "walkability and biking" in the city. He said that the reason so much money is going for bikes is that historically all the money went for cars. Hmmmm. My Sound Transit, Monorail, and Metro money went where? Much less, indeed, 97% of people commute by car or bus in this city...and 3) (swallow coffee before reading this) a new initiative to train people on how to be community organizers (I thought that is what our non-profits and churches did). He even said it was ok if the result of the community organizing protested against the City. Nice of him.

So there you have it. Every time you pay $4.50 to park for two hours think of all the community organizing and bike boxes you're buying.

Posted by: shelterwood on September 30, 2010 01:10 PM
30. Is this a justified criticism against the Republicans? DO the Republicans hate the middle class (see video below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9hWV5i-V3w

As much as I hate the Democrats I am afraid that the Republicans do hate people like me in the middle class just as much. Why must they shoot themselves in the foot like this?

Posted by: I on September 30, 2010 01:30 PM
31. I,

The mainstream GOP is the right-liberal wing of our ruling elite, an elite alienated from the middle class. They are equal opportunity participants in anarcho-tyranny: anarchy from the lower class, tyranny from the upper class, we are stuck in the middle.

Posted by: Tomas de Torquemada on September 30, 2010 02:46 PM
32. You are right.

And then we have Obama.

Look at what is happening in his "home" country and tell me that's not what he wants for America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Z-X_x4gAU

And look here at how the Muslims are taking control of his home country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dPJs1L7kNg

Posted by: I on September 30, 2010 02:59 PM
33. Thank God there is nothing in Seattle that I need or want anymore. If I can avoid it, I will never spend another dime in that city.

Posted by: Kato on September 30, 2010 03:26 PM
34. Thank you for reminding me of why I refuse to go to Seattle.

Posted by: Andy on September 30, 2010 05:17 PM
35. On behalf of all residents of the City of Seattle I bid adieu to the many commenters who have expressed their commitment to never again go to Seattle.

I'm pretty sure you've promised as much before, but whatever.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 30, 2010 07:09 PM
36. Gosh, I'm touched that you are so concerned for the survival of Seattle's downtown (as Yogi Berra once said about another place, "No one goes there anymore; it's too crowded") that you are willing to ignore everything that free market-loving Republicans are supposed to stand for.

I thought Republicans believed that government should be run like a business and should privatize or charge market rate for everything rather than giving it away. So why should government charge what is demonstrably below market rate for parking spaces? Especially when this results in parking spaces being rationed according to the time and gas people are willing to waste circling around rather than by Republicans' beloved method for allocating scarce goods, namely money?

Posted by: Bruce on September 30, 2010 08:31 PM
37. McGinn's plan is nuttier than squirrel turds, but that never stops a true, die-hard liberal from going against the grain and doing what "mechanized bike Mike" thinks is a good idea. Consider this the "salt" in the wound that made the last idiot mayor of the city get bounced from office after he destroys business dowtown for the forseeable future.

Seattle is not so much a city as it is a controlled experiment on the delusional effects of the linear liberal mindset.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 30, 2010 09:29 PM
38. I do occasionally have to go to downtown Seattle for business. When I do, I always park in private lots. I don't go there any more for pleasure. If Seattle is adamantly against cars, then it is adamantly against people who use cars as their primary mode of transportation. Fine, I get the message and I won't go there. The restaurants and shops are not so much better that they warrant dealing with parking hassles.

And I say this as someone who bicycled over 1000 miles last year. I enjoy cycling for fitness and enjoyment, but absolutely hate the biketivist messenger types who think that it is their right to run every stop sign and that new bike lanes should be installed everywhere.

Posted by: Jeff B. on September 30, 2010 11:24 PM
39. "City officials claim the lane reduction will supposedly improve traffic. Color me skeptical." Yeah...the same type of City officials that said rubber-tipped snow plows were the best thing since sliced-bread, and that salt would hurt Puget Sound. What complete idiots. Two lanes each way on Greenwood, and traffic sucks. Do they plan on reducing it to a total of three lanes, or one lane in each direction? And that is supposed to improve traffic how?

Posted by: Michael H on September 30, 2010 11:31 PM
40. @24 Shanghai Dan--I stand corrected :)

Posted by: Matt M. on October 1, 2010 12:05 AM
41. Bruce @ 36 says, "I thought Republicans believed that government should be run like a business and should privatize or charge market rate for everything rather than giving it away. So why should government charge what is demonstrably below market rate for parking spaces?"

This is true, Bruce. But the principles of private enterprise also dictate that if there is also a more cost effective alternative to an overpriced product or service, one would be a fool not to take advantage of it.

Seattle has long acted in the belief that citizens of the Puget Sound region have no other alternative than to access desired goods, services, entertainment, etc in downtown Seattle. Such arrogance has well earned the cold shoulder Puget Sounders are now showing this contemptible bastion of Marxist elitism.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 1, 2010 07:21 AM
42. The mayor is a self-seeking, fast talking Boston elitist attorney that should be recalled. I live near him and his driving habits are no different than the rest of us. Except he gets picked up, and has a permanent parking space downtown so he has no worries on parking.
If this dud is not recalled it will be the end of Seattle as we know it.
After Nickels we can ill afford another set back and McGinn raised that bar months ago!

Posted by: neighbor citizen on October 1, 2010 08:32 AM
43. MikenonBoyScout,

Many of us do not and have not gone to Seattle in quite some time. And for most of us the parking is why we don't go there.

This isn't some kind of threat. It's just the way it is. By making Seattle unpleasant to go to, they are really hurting themselves.

I for one don't care about what the people of Seattle do. I got out of there a long time ago (age 5).

Posted by: CnR on October 1, 2010 09:09 AM
44. Saltherring@41, you are right that Seattle -- and every other major city on earth -- is not as convenient for drivers as the suburbs. But this does not stem from a widespread hatred of cars, despite your paranoia. It's a different model of life. Cities are based on density; the reason people some people want to live, shop, recreate, sell, and work there is because lots of other people are doing the same thing very nearby. But there are tradeoffs to everything, and one downside to this is that space for driving and parking becomes limited.

Cities should accommodate cars while suburbs should accommodate pedestrians and mass transit, but each needs to optimize for the transportation modes that best fit its model. And you and I get to decide where we want to spend our time and money.

But it's comical to say that the increasing number of people making Seattle too crowded for your car is evidence of "the cold shoulder Puget Sounders are now showing this contemptible bastion of Marxist elitism".

Posted by: Bruce on October 1, 2010 09:10 AM
45. MBS @35: Last time I drove up to Seattle was a year ago this month. Strictly business related, and left as soon as I could so as to beat the traffic out.

I used to go to Mariner and Seahawk games, but I've even given up those as well. In fact, the last time I went to Seattle before last year was the year before last - to watch the Seahawks get pummeled by the Packers.

On each rare occassion I go up there, I am reminded why I don't go there so much anymore. Each year it's more expensive, the traffic is worse, and there are more vagrants on the street badgering you for money.

You can have your progressive paradise - even though it's really neither - I want no part of it.

Posted by: Kato on October 1, 2010 10:36 AM
46. Bruce, you're right that there is a lot of hyperbole here. But to say "cities are based on density" > therefore the money should go to bikes and pedestrians is wrong.

First off, automobiles still represent an overwhelming majority of travel, even IN Seattle city limits. I am opposed to hurting the majority for the sake of serving a minority that happens to be in ideological favor with the current administration.

Second, since we're all concerned about viability, the subsidy in Washington state for automobiles is 1.3 cents per passenger mile. By contrast, the WA subsidy for transit lines is 98 cents per passenger mile. So, in what direction do we take transportation here? Do we shoot for economic viability, or do we budget for a colossal transit welfare program?

And other likeminded folks are right to say it's time to pay up for common resources public parking. I just don't know why their concern for economic viability stops at making motorists pay.

Posted by: gulliver on October 1, 2010 10:56 AM
47. All of you suburbia people, please stay out of Seattle. We don't need your SUV soccer mom attitudes here. Urban sprawl will be one of the main reasons for the collapse of this country.(you guys can thank everyone soon enough for that) When gas prices hit that magic $5 a gallon mark and all of you suburbia folks are bitching about having to pay that, I will sit back and laugh. The mayor isn't trying to punish those who drive their cars, rather he is trying to promote alternate modes of transportation. We need to cut our addiction to the automobile and we need to do it fast.

Posted by: johnny matrix on October 1, 2010 12:52 PM
48. Mayor McGinn's authoritarian streak, pampering minority bikes and punishing majority cars, is a step too far in the direction of anti-middle-class warfare.

Without cars, huge reduction in trade, commerce and necessary personal travel. Like most leftists, McGinn (ideologically, with no weighing of costs vs benefits for ALL of us) wishes to drag the masses into a better life by his exclusive definition, no matter if they're kicking and screaming. His 'community' has little room for dissenters who wish to make their own transpo decisions. He's a shining example of 'community organizing' as class warfare, minus the consent of the governed. He can't leave office too soon.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on October 1, 2010 12:58 PM
49. johnny matrix -- please share more with us about your hysterical sci-fi contempt for the middle-class tastes of these fictional suburbians you so loathe.

How many urbanist johnny matrix types do you think lived in Detroit and ridiculed the complainers who threatened to take their business elsewhere, and are now mired in the wasteland of leftist policy failure their city is now?

Posted by: gulliver on October 1, 2010 01:25 PM
50. Let's all pretend the US is the center of the world and if we can't do something right, then no one can. What destroyed Detroit was the unions and their lack of ability to adapt and focus on the future. Wow, this sounds like a lot of Americans.

Posted by: johnny matrix on October 1, 2010 01:43 PM
51. On behalf of all residents of the City of Seattle I bid adieu to the many commenters who have expressed their commitment to never again go to Seattle. - Mike BS

You got it.

Personally, I can't recall the last time I needed to go to Seattle, let alone actually went.

So, you want your cesspool? You got it, because you deserve it.

And I'll enjoy watching it rot from a distance.

Posted by: jimg on October 1, 2010 03:03 PM
52. johnny matrix, on behalf of SP: we are SO impressed with how worldly you are. I wish we could all roll our liberal eyes about US arrogance on a local transportation thread. And I fail to see a distinction between contemporary union operations and leftist sympathies.

Posted by: gulliver on October 1, 2010 05:27 PM
53. Bruce @ 44: It's not paranoia, just call it choice. The choice to avoid a sewer of corruption, perversion and elitism that desires to shove its statist, redistributist politics and moral relativist beliefs down the throats of suburban and rural Washingtonians.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 1, 2010 07:21 PM
54.
Shock Doctrine has finally come to Washington.

McGinn is simply letting market economics decide.

It's not that he's forcing everyone to ride a bike, it's that most people don't really have the skills or the income to afford a car, given the real costs involved.

Posted by: John Bailo on October 2, 2010 08:50 AM
55. To all the urbanistas bidding adeu to us, let me reciprocate the warm feelings. Please stay in your concrete jungles. When you have the urge to escape for the weekends to the forests, the beaches and the outdoors, stay there in your concrete hell holes with your bicycles and ride laps around your pillars of concrete enjoying all the "people watching" - from the drug dealers in Belltown, to the urine whizzing winos in Pioneer Square.

Posted by: Anti-Urbanista on October 2, 2010 10:58 AM
56. Commerce is important, but transportation is not only a matter of commerce.

People come from miles around to use the hospitals in Seattle. Often they have no choice about that.

When I have a loved one in the hospital, I wait until after 6:00 pm to park so I can visit.

Repeated hospital visits can be very expensive. McGinn seems to want to make them prohibitively so, causing genuine suffering for patients and their families.

I also live near my job and near my family. I thought city leaders wanted to encourage this, but there is certainly no pay off in terms of commuting. So much time and fuel is wasted sitting in traffic jams and crawling along "road diet" roads.

We need to take back our city from myopic crusading lunatics like McGinn.

Posted by: JMB on October 2, 2010 11:32 AM
57. Ah, Bruce, the operative word here is SHOULD. Suburbs SHOULD accommodate pedestrians and bicycles. And in your world, if they DON'T, we'll FORCE them to do it. Market rate means just that, not higher government taxes.

Posted by: Carol on October 2, 2010 12:24 PM
58. Please see the attached URL for a particularly vile AGW propaganda message from our friendly enviro-leftists in the United Kingdom.

What can you expect from minds that produce this kind of "message" and who see nothing wrong with it?

Given the opportunity, I suspect our good green leftists would be new versions of Pol-Pot in a heartbeat. These are very scary, vile people.

Posted by: Attila on October 3, 2010 09:42 AM
59. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/01/video-the-dumbest-most-self-defeating-ad-campaign-ever/

Above is the URL.

Posted by: Attila on October 3, 2010 09:45 AM
60. John B says, "most people don't really have the skills or the income to afford a car, given the real costs involved."

WRONG.

As of 2007 Nielsen report found, 89% of Americans own cars:

http://img2.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0705/carowners.pdf

What made you think you could just throw such an absurd claim out without being fact-checked?

Also, I still want to know why you keep euphemizing McGinn's crusades as "free market". McGinn is taking money from hundreds of thousands of property owners, most of whom commute by auto, to serve a minority of ideologically-favored cyclists who receive benefits well out of proportion with the little amount they pay. When majority demand is ignored for the sake of serving a special interest minority, and the majority loses what the minority gains, THAT is not free-market. When you start promoting COMPLETELY user-funded transportation, THEN you can start talking about free markets.

Posted by: gulliver on October 3, 2010 11:11 AM
61. Question: What do bicycle riders do all winter in the rain?

Posted by: Bramble on October 4, 2010 09:09 AM
62. I no longer go to Seattle for entertainment or shopping as I used to do. Now the only reason I go ino Seattle is for medical appointments. Can't you just picture a post-op patient bicycling to an appointment? Ain't gonna' happen in my lifetime.

When they put tolls on the Lk Wash bridges it will become worse. Only people who work in Seattle will bother to go there and if they are smart, they'll try to change jobs to another location.

Posted by: Clean House on October 4, 2010 10:08 AM
63. Wow - yet another reason why I don't need to drive into Seattle to give them my economic stimulus! Are Seattlites just plain batshit crazy? yeah rhetorical question - elected mcDermuTT 8 times already?

Posted by: Crusader on October 4, 2010 11:17 AM
64. I LIVE in Seattle, and I don't go there anymore!

And it's not the parking.

My last evening visit to Pioneer Square was two years ago, and required skating through the vomit splats of two college girls, and then retrieving the purse of a woman who had just been mugged.

A recent evening visit to Capitol Hill resulted in four kids calling me Shirley and trying to put out a cigarette on my cheek.

Good thing for all of us that I left my .357 magnum at home.

These types of incidents are as common as slices of pizza at Piecora, but they don't get reported.

The U-District after 5 PM ?? Don't even think about it. Once a lovely place kept pleasant by the presence of a couple of beat cops.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on October 5, 2010 02:38 AM
65. @64 Bart - come over to the Eastside, we'll welcome you with a smile and good cheer!

Posted by: Crusader on October 5, 2010 12:00 PM
66. Fresh on Tuesday's TV news.

There is a bicycle user census being taken today.

The data is being collected manually by the Cascade Bicycle Club.

Maybe I'll do the same on NE 125th Street and Roosevelt Ave NE. Day-Night-Rain-Sun. I have a 14 channel totalizer. I'll document various categories.

Helmet, head lights, front lights, tail lights, reflective clothing, black hoodies, etc. Oh. And I won't forget to include cars.

I promise I won't let bias enter in to my data collection.


Posted by: Bart Cannon on October 5, 2010 05:22 PM
67. @56 JMB on October 2, 2010 11:32 AM,

"People come from miles around to use the hospitals in Seattle. Often they have no choice about that.
When I have a loved one in the hospital, I wait until after 6:00 pm to park so I can visit.
Repeated hospital visits can be very expensive. McGinn seems to want to make them prohibitively so, causing genuine suffering for patients and their families.
"

If only there were some other, less expensive way for people (like those traveling to visit loved ones) to travel in to the city of Seattle other than privately owned cars which require parking...

Cry us a river JMB.

ORCA

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on October 6, 2010 08:58 AM
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