According to the Seattle Times, the Earth Liberation Front appears to have struck again. This time in Maltby. The message, visible from SR-522 says "If you continue to risk killing children, mother earth and her creations, all your holdings are targets." As someone in the Seattle Times comments section opined, "don't they know spray cans are bad for air quality?"
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Posted by: Medic/Vet on September 25, 2009 03:47 PM@4: If anything, ELF has intentionally stayed away from killing anyone. So comparing it to Al-Qaeda? Suggesting that they'll make a "brazen terrorist attack" and kill people. Please.
@5: Hee hee... I hope that at some point, you're revealed to be a left-wing kinda guy, satirizing right-wing fools in the most absurd way possible. I have a hard time believing that a caricature like you could actually exist.
@6: Again, graffiti?
Posted by: demo kid on September 25, 2009 09:16 PMI have to laugh--"If you continue to risk killing children..." It's about 99% guaranteed these leftwing looney terrorists support the child-killing known as abortion.
Irony of ironies, isn't it?
Posted by: Michele on September 25, 2009 10:50 PMI'd be annoyed if ANYONE did that. However, in terms of the threat posed by environmental groups versus the far-right-wing, does it even compare? These folks aren't shooting or lynching people, or threatening to shoot or lynch people.
Excuse me, when did a "right wing" group recently shoot or lynch people? I know lynchings are near-and-dear to the Democrat Party's heart (you know, the creators of the KKK) but to what are you referring?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 26, 2009 08:17 AMOne? A dozen? More than that?
Or maybe you deflect this issue to some right-wing boogeyman you've created because you support their actions.
Birds of a feather I suspect. Fifth-column birds of a feather.
Posted by: jimg on September 26, 2009 10:28 AM@10: Oh yeah! Right-wing terrorist groups never shoot or kill people. What WAS I thinking.
Idiot.
@11: Again, equating graffiti with mass murder? It's insane. I don't support their actions, but get a clue and get perspective.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 10:48 AMDidn't think so...
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 26, 2009 11:49 AMWhat I'm AM saying is that graffiti (or even arson) does not equate mass murder of innocents, nor have there been ANY hints that the ELF will kill "a number of people in a brazen terrorist attack". Equating ELF to Al Qaeda is simply wrong, and only fair in the minds of hyper-partisan right wingers.
And hey, ChiCom Traitor, I answered your specific question, when you asked: "Excuse me, when did a "right wing" group recently shoot or lynch people?" Don't be whiny and pissy when you don't get the answer you like.
So get perspective.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 12:45 PMIf you really want to talk about lynching perhaps you should look at African American murder statistics since leftist welfare state policies were implemented under LBJ. I'd say those policies have led to more tragic deaths than Democrat Jim Crow policies ever did.
Then there are the millions of innocent unborn children you leftists kill every year. As if they are not human beings.
Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 03:11 PMI know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.
Sounds like a commenter here! Maybe even a little tame in comparison.
The nut that killed Tiller was a member of the Montana Freemen, the Sovereign Citizen Movement, and was interested in Operation Rescue. (And it's darkly ironic that you go from questioning his right-wing status to ranting like a crazy person about abortion!)
So... do you need more of their resumes to prove that they're right-wingers?
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 03:51 PMGet off my lawn!
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 03:53 PMInstead you get goofy comments from Demo Kid equating the right with the Oklahoma City bomber. It's just amazing. As is the denial that leftists have killed in the name of their ideals over and over. And leftists fight for the right to kill unborn children. They have no business lecturing anyone about killing innocent people. They legislate it.
As time goes on more people understand that intolerance has historically been a characteristic of the left.
Those aren't right wing nuts that block traffic every month downtown with their bicycles. They are intolerant leftists that want to tell all of us how to live. Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 04:40 PM@21: Instead you get goofy comments from Demo Kid equating the right with the Oklahoma City bomber.
Ah, yes. The poor victim opens his mouth AGAIN! You just equated all leftists with Stalin. Why shouldn't I equate you with McVeigh in that case?
Intolerance my ass. You're the fellow that seems quite happy with dictating how other people live.
Get off my lawn!
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 05:38 PMGive me one example.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 05:57 PMIf you are referring to abortion, yes I am guilty. I want to dictate that unborn innocent children have a chance at life. If that's what you mean by dictating how others live I plead guilty.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 06:56 PMI didn't have to make obscene comments or the "get off my lawn!" reference that demo kid uses repeatedly in response to my opinions. Jerks gravitate towards liberalism.
It might surprise demo kid that Clint Eastwood is a conservative.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 07:21 PMBut I guess you just want to play the victim, eh? You ask for evidence that McVeigh was a right-winger, and I give it to you. You ask for evidence that you are quite willing to tell people how to live, and I give it to you.
Saying "get off my lawn" is annoying you? Calling you an "idiot" is "obscene"? How pathetic. Maybe you should just start posting under the name "Whiny McWhinerson", eh?
And who the hell cares what Clint Eastwood's political philosophy is?
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2009 08:11 PMMcVeigh was a wing nut.
Tiller's killer was a wing nut.
The guy who shot up the Jewish office in Seattle was a wing nut.
NONE of these guys were a group nor were they sanctioned by a group nor did any group take credit for their actions.
Ergo, Demo Kid still has failed to answer the original question put forth by Shanghai Dan:
Excuse me, when did a "right wing" group recently shoot or lynch people?
Posted by: Eyago on September 26, 2009 08:25 PMYou cannot have a reasonable discussion with a committed leftist. It is not possible.
They name call. They do it repeatedly. You can find it anytime leftists comment here. For a perfect example look at the above comment, "Whiny McWhinerson".
Chris Wallace said it so well, the leftists in the Obama Administration are the "biggest bunch of crybabies" he's ever seen.
It's why I just can't stand leftists. They are the biggest crybabies in the universe. They hate drilling for oil, mining for metals, cattle ranching,fishing, and nuclear power.
You ever notice they love their computers, cell phones, flushing toilets, hot and cold running water, TV's, airplanes and the endless benefits these spoiled people have due to capitalism?
Has anyone noticed how Obama flies with a major carbon footprint to a different city nearly every day of the week? Yes, he does.
Liberal hypocrites make me sick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 08:43 PMFolks here seem to believe that all left-wingers should be tried for the crimes of the ELF. If that's the case, I have no problem bringing up those right-wingers that ACTUALLY murder people.
Again, perspective. Equating property damage to killing people is dangerous hyperbole. That's the point here, and one that no one has been able to refute.
@30: And conservative hypocrites like you make me sick, Mr. McWhinerson. How is bringing up computers and cell phones related to the fact that the ELF has only committed property crimes? Again and again, your gripes against liberal smack more of the kvetching of a decrepit old man rather than... well... actual logic.
Want proof? Observe the intolerance of the left when the Mayor of Mount Vernon wanted to bestow the key to the city to Glenn Beck. The left has gone nuts, mounting a huge protest.
The left is simply filled with unhappy, angry people. It is where they go.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 09:25 PM
Again the name calling.
This "decrepit old man" is probably more than you can handle.
Jeez, what a jerk you are.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 09:33 PMHe does this over and over. Leftists do this constantly when they are on the losing side of a political discussion. It's directly out of the Saul Alinsky manual. Demonize your opponent, call them names, it's what the left always does. It is simply impossible to have a reasonable discussion with them.
Look at how demo kid frames debate. If he doesn't agree he calls you "washed up" or "decrepit".
What sort of reasonable people discuss issues in this way?
This is the way the left discusses politics. If you disagree you are immediately marginalized. In my case I am obviously too old and "decrepit" to have any opinion.
Does one have to really ponder what kind of horrid people the likes of demo kid are? A person who simply will dismiss the opinion of someone who they claim is "decrepit"?
Gosh, would those same people ponder the idea of "death panels"?
We don't need to make it up. These rotten people reveal themselves every day.
As for demo kid. I post under my own name. I'm in the phone book. If he wants to see how "decrepit" I am he can look me up. He might learn something.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 10:21 PMIt's also interesting that he has to reach back 15 years to find one of the nuts he lists. That's sure recent, isn't it?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 26, 2009 10:50 PMThere is an entire generation that has been indoctrinated by the left. I saw teachers at our local elementary school wearing Obama buttons last fall. In places such as Seattle discussion is simply not allowed. It's the way the left always plays. They are not the tolerant people they pretend to be. They are nasty fascists who demand that everyone agree with them.
What always amazes me is that somehow the left is still held as the folks who uphold free speech. The reality is that the left stomps on free speech anytime it doesn't agree with leftist ideology. Did the left scream and yell when Glenn Beck came into town? Sure they did. Did the left want to allow him to speak? No, they didn't.
Was the left of Che, Mao, and Castro tolerant of opposing points of view? No, they simply killed their opposition. Are they idolized by liberals? Yes they are. Tells you something, doesn't it?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 11:04 PMIt's pure mind control. It's what the left is all about. They aren't the free love hippies of Woodstock, who really weren't nice people after all. They are mean nasty fascists that want to control how we live our lives. The left collects these people like a dust mop. They are lawyers. Check almost any Democrat's bio. They are nearly always lawyers.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 26, 2009 11:46 PMhttp://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/
Posted by: Joe Wisconsin on September 27, 2009 04:40 AMTheir little song was inappropriate, I agree.
They were not sitting in a public school classroom praising Obama and chanting about equal work for equal pay going "mmm, mmm, mmm".
There is a reason leftists fight against private schools and home schooling. They want to indoctrinate every child in the country.
My 9-year old niece made sneering references about how Sarah Palin "kills wolves" the last time she visited. Where do you suppose she got that notion?
Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 27, 2009 09:17 AM
@35: No wisdom I can see from you folks. And I'm not as young as the name suggests.
@36: So then you're not denying that they're right-wing? I'm so glad that we agree that right-wing whackjobs kill people, and ELF does not.
@37-39: Bitter... bitter... bitter. Blah, blah, blah. You've added six comments, but absolutely nothing of substance. Try again, and address the main point of my argument: can you equate the ELF, who has not (and will not) intentionally kill people, to Al-Qaeda or right-wing nutjobs that do?
@40: WJ, the difference is that it's a president that Daniel (and other conservatives) don't agree with. If any conservative can look at that story of a song at a White House event, in front of reporters and vdiscount it, while equating songs at an assembly where there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE of political involvement, they're not practicing what they preach.
I'll be up front in saying that I don't agree with either, and while I don't particularly like the champions of this cause, I'd probably want the teachers disciplined or fired too.
Posted by: demo kid on September 27, 2009 09:30 AMI know that we really weren't nice people. We were intolerant of anyone who didn't agree with our views. We were mean to our parents, grandparents, and other kids who didn't share our views.
It's characteristic of the left. They crush dissent. They sneer at Fox News. They publicly fund NPR which is run entirely by the left. They smash store windows, push over radio towers, and spray paint private property.
That's who Obama and his minions are. I know where they came from. They are controlling facists.
Why in the world would Obama try to ram through his healthcare bill before it could be examined?
I know these people. I think finally America knows them too.
Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 27, 2009 10:36 AMCan we please ban the DK troll from this newsgroup?
Posted by: attila on September 27, 2009 10:58 AMYou cannot have a reasonable discussion with a committed leftist. It is not possible.
I can point to main point of my argument in this thread (that the ELF hasn't killed anyone, and is not as much of a threat as folks that do), and how you seem to not be able to refute it. The last several posts have just been all about your hate-on for liberals.
They name call. They do it repeatedly. You can find it anytime leftists comment here. For a perfect example look at the above comment, "Whiny McWhinerson".
"Controlling fascists" isn't "namecalling"?
@47: Wow! Cherry-picking your examples, eh?
Unfortunately for you both, I admit that folks on the left AND the right can be idiots. However, my original point still stands, and has not yet been refuted: equating ELF with any feared terrorist organization that is looking to kill people is incorrect.
Go ahead and support the notion that they should be tried and arrested for their crimes, but if you indict ALL liberals on the basis of that, I reserve the right to compare all you folks with those right-wing nutjobs that have ACTUALLY killed people and blown up buildings.
Posted by: demo kid on September 27, 2009 12:25 PMOr, you know, logic. Or facts. Pesky when they get in the way of your ramblings.
@50: Point? Again, you're equating a group that intentionally does not kill with folks that are, and making gross conjecture to support your argument. In the case referred to in this thread, ELF spray-painted graffiti (which seems oddly self-defeating, as Mark pointed out). It's hardly a capital offense.
Catch them, and try them for property crimes, and maybe conspiracy or reckless endangerment. Case closed. Even using the "terrorist" label is hyperbole here.
Posted by: demo kid on September 27, 2009 01:07 PMSure, he represents liberalism. I think as conservatives we should welcome opposite views and counter them with logic and common sense.
I occasionaly posted on the liberal HorsesAss forum. The moment I posted my conservative opinion I was scolded by other posters, (you KNOW this is a liberal site). Liberals do not want dissenting opinions.
We are better than that. We can tolerate opposing points of view.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 27, 2009 05:39 PMHardly. You yourself claim that all liberals make you sick, and you haven't addressed the arguments that I've made in this comment thread.
But thank you for supporting my right to speak. You may be crotchety, but at least you walk the walk about some important things.
Posted by: demo kid on September 27, 2009 07:21 PMAnd Bill, I wouldn't take demo kid or any other liberal so seriously as to make you sick. Don't let them get into your head like that. If you came across some poor mentally ill man screaming things about aliens and the end of the world I'm sure he wouldn't make you sick. All you'd feel, I imagine, is self-pity. So just remember, liberalism is a mental disorder and all we can do is do our best to educate them. I know a few erstwhile liberals who've come to see the truth. Steve Beren is a great example. Communist Radical of the 60s now a Five Star Conservative.
Posted by: MarkGriswold on September 27, 2009 08:00 PMWhat you call "mental disorder", I call "cases of projection from reality-challenged right-wingnuts".
Posted by: demo kid on September 27, 2009 11:20 PMBut continue re-writing history to fit your own view, as you like to say.
As for mental disorders, one of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Tell me again where socialism is working out?
Posted by: MarkGriswold on September 28, 2009 07:41 AMIn that post, you also claimed that you "did the research", when you simply made conjecture based on very sketchy and circumstantial evidence. You were distracted by irrelevant hyperlinks, and you didn't see the truth. You were easily led around.
Calling you a "stand up guy" doesn't mean that you're not a shoddy blogger. But hey, it's not like she's a Republican or anything, so I guess that's a free pass in your mind.
And yet again, conservatives can't seem to keep focus and stay on topic! That seems like more of a mental disorder to me than anything else. What does an overly broad, nonsensical, and irrelevant question about socialism have to do with ELF?
Posted by: demo kid on September 28, 2009 12:47 PM