I read the newspapers including the online one; I searched the Seattle City Council agenda, nothing on the talk shows. I began to wonder if Seattle's Seafair celebration is canceled this year? Maybe it's because Obama is in the White House and Democrats rule the land but where are the annual protests and resolutions condemning the U.S. Navy's Blue Angels? Not to worry, there are still a few "just give peace a chance" types out there. One has only to look at the comments on a Seattle Times notice about closure of I-90 for a Blue's practice session.
Spiffy D wrote:
Fighter jets are made to kill people, so when I hear or see one, that's what I think of.
It's not appropriate for war machines to be included in a supposedly family-friendly civic celebration for the purpose of military recruitment.
Kathy B. followed with:
From the Blue Angels website:
"The Blue Angels' mission is to enhance Navy and Marine Corps recruiting efforts and to represent the naval service to the United States, its elected leadership and foreign nations. "
It is bad enough that military recruiters have to have access to minors in schools...having this arrogant display of militarism and resource wasting in the face of closing schools and mounting debt is disgusting. It is not the sound of freedom.
While KeepYourHeadsInTheSand opposes metaphors of sound:
It's the sound of thousands of gallons of finite petroleum being consumed.
It's the sound of millions of taxpayers' dollars being turned into a circus performance to entertain the drunken drones.
It's the sound of a rare bird being pureed by a jet engine for no other reason that to mollify the mindless masses.
It's the sound of a homeless child crying because she has no food.
It's the sound of a blue-collar worker sighing as he looks over his mounting health-care costs.
In a perfect world, no threats from dictators, rogue nations or terrorists and no Blue Angels but we don't live in such a world. As the only superpower, we have responsibilities in defending freedom and democracy. The Blue Angels are a symbol of that responsibility. When those F-18s flew over my house today, I felt nothing but pride. So should Seattle.
Posted by warrenpeterson at July 31, 2009 12:35 PM | Email ThisHmmm... wonder who that could be?
Several billion more in jet fuel, training, maintenance, and new jets.
How about a tax cut of several billion dollars? How about several billion dollars more to fund our troops overseas?
Why is the government in the business of funding entertainment? The Blue Angels are the most expensive entertainment show in the country, funded by your tax dollars.
Posted by: Jess on July 31, 2009 01:45 PMOkay.
Posted by: Gary on July 31, 2009 01:47 PMOne significant reason for having such craft is to be better at usin' them than any potential enemy. Owning jets isn't merely a placeholder, the real value is what you can do with 'em.
Again the question...when did the "we just want to be good global citizens" approach work in the face of fanaticism?
I don't know of any situation that didn't require either removing the means to misbehave or killing 'em. Well, maybe thwarting them, in the case of the breakup of the USSR...
When did any compromise with hooligans ever not ending up costing much more than is gained?
Posted by: scott158 on July 31, 2009 02:15 PMone must wonder why they feel the need to visually and AUDIBLY remind us that the navy is a part of the military. how about they just humbly go about their business and do their job just like everyone else in this country. either that, or i think that seattle baristas should get an annual parade and "steam off" day.
plus, this "celebration" scares the hell out of dogs, cats, and every other animal in town. should the navy not be responsible for allocating puppy valium during this annual event?
Posted by: andrea on July 31, 2009 02:17 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxe_kwc8klw
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on July 31, 2009 03:08 PMReally, their lives are that easy because of the aviators flying those Angels.
Posted by: Gary on July 31, 2009 04:13 PMJust the idea of the Blue Angels winging in at 700 miles per hour over our roof tops reminds us that we are able to target individual towel-heads from 1000 feet at mach one and effortlessly splatter their tiny brains all over the place so quickly they never know what hit em.
With the mere flick of a wrist, one of our Navy or Marine flyboys can deee-stroy a whole god-forsaken village and within the hour sit down to a nice hot dinner of Roast Beef and Mashed taters with gravy and a nice bowl of spumoni and enjoy it.
What the Blue Angels are truly here to prove is that America is the friggin king of the world because we are self-respecting and organized enough to force anyone who tries to kill us to think twice about it by regularly wiping their associates' sorry asses off the face of the earth.
I love the fact that we live in a country where we have men who are willing to invent the baddest ass killing machines in the world and train to be the best at using them to kill as many other men as necessary so that we can stay free, especially because no matter what silly drug induced nonsense the liberal/progressive morons say, the world is kill or be killed. Hippies are free to be morons ONLY because others like the Blue Angels defend that right.
Yes indeed, I do so love the Blue Angels. Besides, sometimes when the angels pass by, beautiful young women flash their breasts.
Posted by: Amused by Liberals on July 31, 2009 04:26 PMHowever, getting puffed up with pride? Again, it's an air show, nothing more. Wallowing in overwhelming nationalism over all this smacks of those massive parades in the old Soviet Union where tanks and truck-mounted missiles were paraded around in front of people to inspire faith in the regime. Better to be proud of the US for less shallow reasons.
Posted by: demo kid on July 31, 2009 04:28 PMIf you believe that the best thing about the US is how well we kill other people... well... you don't respect the freedoms that you say that other people are murdering people for you to enjoy.
Posted by: demo kid on July 31, 2009 04:34 PM6. It has cost over $1,000,000,000 (ONE BILLION DOLLARS) in taxpayer money (today's dollars) JUST for the jet fighters that have crashed in fatal Blue Angels shows and practices. 22 fatal crashes killing 26 Blue Angels pilots. Each new jet costs $56 million.
[This is the total number of fatal crashes since 1946, when the Angels used Bearcat propeller planes, which cost a lot less than $56 million. But, hey, what are facts when you have agitprop?
Posted by: comnenus on July 31, 2009 04:40 PMArticulate patriotism at its SP best!
Posted by: Amused by 'articulate patriot' know nothings on July 31, 2009 04:58 PMHis many posts are obsessed with demonizing liberals as people who are truly out to get him or others.
He has even suggested to pack heat when around them.
C'mon -- they are just your political rivals. . . relax
Posted by: Amused by the guy who is always amused by liberals on July 31, 2009 06:10 PMNo.
Sincerely,
Amused by the guy who is amused by the guy who is always amused by liberals
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on July 31, 2009 06:30 PMToo bad the Blues can't drop napalm for an encore. I'd be the first in line to roast the marshmallows!
Posted by: The Sasquatch on July 31, 2009 08:27 PMA tired old standby from conservatives... whenever you express any opinion, the standard response is always the same: "Don't you support the troops?"
The rest of it? Even funnier.
Being impressed by the skill and the technology is fine. Worshipping planes because they kill people? That's just downright thuggery.
Posted by: demo kid on July 31, 2009 09:22 PMIn real life, bad guys exist, and we have fighters that protect us, even as they shake their head in disgust at the way they are smeared.
Posted by: Jeff B. on August 1, 2009 07:05 AMThanks! (esp DemoKid)
Posted by: Amused by Liberals on August 1, 2009 07:28 AMThat's because you are too busy trying to be Normie the nice surfer guy to deal directly and honestly with the problem at hand.
I praise our troops for killing as many people as are necessary to maintain our freedom and I don't flinch a bit about it. Our Rangers, Marines, and Blue Angels they save the lives every day by doing it (or credible threat of doing it).
That, "Moondoggie" is what troops are trained to do and you had better hope to God they do it extremely well for your own silly sake.
Let the Baby Blue Helmets (Obama/Clinton type U.N. peace keepers) get killed trying to help barbarians.
Wise up.
Posted by: Amused by Liberals on August 1, 2009 07:52 AMCaterwauling like children because of the sound the F-18's that secure your freedom makes is downright infantile.
Posted by: Rick D. on August 1, 2009 10:01 AMWe just spend a wonderful few days watching the hydros race on the Columbia River in the Tri-Cities. Lots of friendly people who cheered when an F-16 did an exhibition over the race course. Simply going out for breakfast over there is enjoyable. People are genuinely friendly, and it isn't phony. None of Seattle's patented surly snottiness.
Yesterday we went down to the Seattle hydro course. What a contrast. Not only are the viewing areas fenced off deliberately so you can't see the race course,(which is twice as far from shore as the Tri-Cities course), but people are relentlessly rude. It is almost as if they have lost their ability to enjoy anything. We left early, but we did see the Blue Angels. We'll watch the race on TV and enjoy listening to one of the great old Seattle icons, Pat O'Day.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 1, 2009 10:27 AMUnlike caterwauling about a 5 hour no motor vehicle restriction Wednesday's from 10 to 3 at Carkeek Park.
Echo on folks. Echo on. :-D
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 10:31 AM
Think they'd ever do that with any Democrat? Liberals are not nice people.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 1, 2009 10:35 AMYou missed a wonderful lunch, Mike. Hot as hell that day, but the view was impressive as usual at my regular lunch venue. No need to caterwaul when you simply ignore the signs that restrict your freedoms.
Posted by: Rick D. on August 1, 2009 10:45 AMNo doubt breaking the rules and laws that would slightly inconvenience your having "a wonderful lunch" is exactly what the flight crews of the Blue Angels had in mind when they signed up.
Can you somehow crash thru the barricades on I-90 today to further make your point? Details at 11?
:-D
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 10:51 AMHaving lunch at 12:30pm in a park I help keep open with my tax money isn't breaking "rules and laws". Most with common sense realize this fact. Restricting ones access to the park merely due to their mode of transportation is fascistic. Oh, and mike, I didnt' even get so much as a raised eyebrow on my entry.
Posted by: Rick D. on August 1, 2009 11:06 AMHas anyone noticed how badly things are going in Afghanistan under Obambi? Irag under Obambi?
Why, why little libs have you suddenly stopped caring and screaching?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 1, 2009 11:34 AMFurthermore, in addition to the US Armed Forces participation in the event at the behest of LIBERAL DEMOCRAT Seattle and King Co led governments, the whole damn shebang is a government run public/private partnership.
And this event with the Blue Angels happens repeatedly in Seattle (land of the LIBS) under every new Democratic Mayoral administration and Democratic led King Co government.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 11:46 AMBeth Knox is the President and CEO of SeaFair Incorporated, a private corporation. Beth would be shocked to suddenly learn today that she is an employee of LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC Seattle government.
You are wrong, "Seafair" is not a government run public/private partnership.
Posted by: Amused by Liberals on August 1, 2009 12:05 PM-George Orwell
I mean, c'mon... when someone says that they "love the fact that we live in a country where we have men who are willing to invent the baddest ass killing machines in the world and train to be the best at using them to kill as many other men as necessary so that we can stay free, especially because no matter what silly drug induced nonsense the liberal/progressive morons say, the world is kill or be killed," that's not celebrating the best of America. That's celebrating the idea of being an amoral thug.
Celebrate the Blue Angels for what they are: great flyers in amazing machines. That should be respected. Sacrifices made by folks in the armed forces should be respected. Wallowing in the idea of death... and getting a whole lot of pleasure out of it? That's not an American ideal.
Posted by: demo kid on August 1, 2009 12:30 PMWell s**t, Slap me around and call me Susan!
You mean to tell me the private corporation SEAFAIR Inc is not run by the guberment, and SEAFAIR Inc owns Seward park?
psst your Pavlovian is showing :-D
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 12:36 PMWith respect to Seward Park... where precisely are you getting your information? That's also not correct. The Seafair Pirates Fund owns a house near Holly Park, but that's it.
Posted by: demo kid on August 1, 2009 01:06 PMBS Boy, no one here at this thread has wallowed in the idea of death . . . that is entirely your invented liberal interpretation projecting loud and clear.
Authentic, and truly silly liberal nonsense though.
Thanks for the demo
At #56
Yeah, O.K. . . . right demo kid . . . it's all . . . the same.
Posted by: Amused by Braindead Liberals on August 1, 2009 01:07 PMWatching the Blue Angels is the most stirring and riveting example of what HUMANITY can engineer, build and operate.
If you can't appreciate it, then your heart is dead to your species.
WRONG!
How the hell dare you equate YOUR COUNTRY with the Kim Jong Il's and AkmadinJAhd's of the world who use those things to CONTROL THEIR CITIZENS and BULLY THE WORLD?
When has your country used them in that way?
Are you so drunk and blind on Koolaid that you can no longer discern the difference between thuggery and freedom from thuggery?
Go to hell you nitwit. How dare you?
@60: How the hell dare you equate YOUR COUNTRY with the Kim Jong Il's and AkmadinJAhd's of the world who use those things to CONTROL THEIR CITIZENS and BULLY THE WORLD?
I don't. I equate them with people like you that believe that America is great because of our ability to kill and destroy. That's the true sign of a bully and thug.
Posted by: demo kid on August 1, 2009 02:18 PMOf course SEAFAIR Inc is entirely private. SEAFAIR Inc is the reformation of Greater Seattle, Inc which is set up to raise funds to pay for/sponsor SEAFAIR.
That damn Roosevelt luvin Mayor Devin worked with local businessmen to establish Greater Seattle Inc in 1951 to fund and coordinate what would become known as Seafair.
Of course, SEAFAIR doesn't own Seward Park or 4th Avenue or Lake Washington. It uses these public places in COOPERATION with the guberment which is elected by those darn LIBS.
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 02:41 PM
Oh and by the way, Seafair actually began in 1950.
Maybe MikeBoyScout gets his news from the Seattle Times which today reported that legendary hydro pilot Chip Hanauer was 61. Chip is actually in his mid-50's.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 1, 2009 04:44 PM#61 "I don't. I equate them with people like you that believe that America is great because of our ability to kill and destroy. That's the true sign of a bully and thug."
Along with your rant, to not be a hypocrite you need to also speak of the Obama administration's and the Democrat congress's effort who you support in thuggery to bully lawmakers into passing a government run health care plan that a majority of the people adamantly do not want. They may not kill them directly, but they seek to have control over them.
Posted by: KDS on August 1, 2009 04:44 PMto not be a hypocrite you need to also speak
but they seek to have control over them.
:-D
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 1, 2009 05:32 PMIn any case: I've see both the Blue Angels and the Air Force Thunderbirds several times. They always put on a terrific show.
And I am 110 percent with comment @ #19:
I feel pride whenever I see one of our fine military pilots displaying their awesome skills. They deserve our continuing support and our thanks.
The military is PROUD of their ability, knowledge and courage to DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY.
We are cheer, applaud and salute with PRIDE their willingness to show us their ability, knowledge and courage.
What don't you understand about that?
We ARE proud that we have those courageous young men, we ARE proud we had the ingenuity to create such incredible machines and we DO stand in awe of those courageous enough to master them.
What don't you understand about that?
Why is it you pissant liberals are hell bent to destroy and tear down every good thing about this country? You despise our military, you despise our traditions, you despise respect for life, you despise the fredom of everyone who refuses to feel as you do, you despise our foundering fathers and their documents that created us.
WHAT good and noble thing about US do/would you defend?
Under whose thumb do you prefer to live?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 1, 2009 06:18 PMWow -- I can think of many more stirring and riveting examples: A fine meal. The first moon walk 40 years ago. A good book. The computer I'm using right now.
Airplane stunts are kind of cool, but I don't think they're worth the cost, danger, or disruption, and I certainly don't think they're the ultimate in human accomplishment.
Posted by: Bruce on August 1, 2009 06:44 PMThose stunts may not be worth it to you (that your pea-sized brain can wrap itself around) but they are to normal people.
Show some friggin appreciation.
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on August 1, 2009 07:23 PM"Why is it you pissant liberals are hell bent to destroy and tear down every good thing about this country?"
Because we're raving mad, mad, mad I tell you!!!!!
No serious we're actually trying to work for things we think are good and noble -- just like you do.
"You despise our military,"
nope. very proud of it esp. in rev. war civil war ww1 and ww2, not so much when it's misused by politicans for no good prupose as in vietnamn or sent to fight based on lies or incompetence ....
iow, instead of blind unreasoning faith, a reasoned approach.
UNLIKE you buddy.
"you despise our traditions,"
no, love 'em! But not some like slavery, or jim crow, etc. not into that blind love of tradition for tradition's sake buddy. that would be really stupid! some traditions were bad, like the notion that women were property, you see; and others just aren't in keeping with the times; but the fundamental ones of liberty pursuit of happyness and a government with the power to deal with problems why oh yes love all that. And love the flag too, it's really pretty.
But also love rock and roll.
Oh and hispanics, you know, they're pretty traditional in the USA since lots of them were in NM before we even had plymouth rock!!!! And so kinda dig them being here. Muy tradicional amigo!
"you despise respect for life," nope just like you we think taking life or potential life is okay in some circumstances.
"you despise the fredom of everyone who refuses to feel as you do," no asshole, we haven't been locking anyone up, this is a big cowardly lie your side issues all the time, esp. after losing an election.
" you despise our foundering fathers and their documents that created us." Nope, actually view them as the best government in the whole durn world. but not perfect because as you know they had little problems like slavery, or election of senators thru state legislators, so they can be improved. Why do you always lie and claim we don't like our founding principles? Btw they definitely include taxation with representation and a national government.
"WHAT good and noble thing about US do/would you defend"
um, the nation, its values, its people, you, other conservatives and their rights to free speech and other things, the whole shebang brudda. the main diff is you think govt. is okay when it MANDATES AND ENSLAVES YOU to send kids to school and to regulate marriage and on a whole long list of things so ain't none of you actually the libertarians you think you are , and ain't none of you really for eliminatin medicare, so the diff is are we like we are or are we like Sweden with another 10 or 15 points of GDP handled thru a democratic government. Oh, and we tend to lie a lot less than you guys. What with your constant crying about loss of freedom as if raising the income tax rate 2 points means you're going to be put in gulags. Anyway I don't see a big diff. in freedom to pay for health care and college tuition thru govt. rather than thru premiums and employer contributions and thru student loans....I've often cited the long list of eurosocialist nations you hate that have HIGHER per capita incomes than us..... I've explained there ain't nothign obama's proposing that's inconsistent with founding principles...you all just lie, lie lie when you argue the opposite and you descend into name calling like your post claiming we're despising this and despising that when all we're saying is hey look dude they got better health outcomes for less cost in the single payer nations! They did have a democratic government in Guatemala in 1954 and we illegally thru it out! We ain't perfect.
Hope that answers your question.
Oh and I do defend your right to keep and bear hydrogen bombs...don't let them take your hydrogen bomb away from you until they peel your cold and icy fingers off that hyrdrogen bomb detonator.....
Game, set, match.
Why aren't you little libs whining about the bambi debacle in Afghanistan? No moaning and tearing of garments since bambi ascended his throne... why is that?
BRITS SLAM U.S. STRATEGY IN AFGHANISTAN
3 Americans killed in Afghan attacks...
Iran state TV confirms arrest of 3 Americans
RAUL CASTRO: CUBA WON'T UNDO COMMUNIST SYSTEM...
Says USA less 'aggressive' under Obama...
US general may ask for more troops in Afghan war...
Deadliest month...
I guess Mizaru, Kikazaru and Iwazaru can just twiddle their tails (horses a**es) since it's bambi not Bush.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
With your toe twiddler in the White House and his syncophants ruining Congress you better than God we can show the Blue Angels.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 1, 2009 08:43 PMFalse. Try learning reading comprehension, joker. It's controlling people by expansion of government and it may ultimately kill elderly people before their time, if their health care is rationed. That is only what you want it to mean & no one else.
Posted by: KDS on August 1, 2009 10:52 PMYou don't understand the meaning of either stirring or riveting.
Television, cell phones, gasoline engines, freon, PCBs, the printing press, batteries, the wheel, the pasta press, and yes, the computer are all great human innovations but they are neither
"riveting, nor stirring" to me.
As punishment for your poor vocabulary, eat some cilantro laced gazpacho for me while reading "The Population Bomb" and watching "Capricorn One" on your computer.
And as further education, watch "Full Metal Jacket" on your home theatre system with the subwoofer really cranked.
And then lets argue about the stirringness and rivetingness of footsoldier firepower.
This post may require some googling for full appreciation.
Posted by: Bart Cannon on August 2, 2009 01:05 AMThank you for this timely thread. You rightly and accurately pointed out the simple reality of things, and the fact that dhimmis cannot accept that reality.
By way of illustration, the libs dutifully came on to this thread and went out of their way to prove you correct in both your assertion and your assessment.
As always libs, thanks for the show!
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on August 2, 2009 09:32 AMAnd thanks for your show. You've proven to be shallow-thinking thugs as usual, interested more in killing people than celebrating what is actually good about America.
Posted by: demo kid on August 2, 2009 10:58 AMPeople who think the military protect our rights should ponder the fact that when my maternal grandfather was fighting in WWI, Eugene Debbs and many others were in jail for opposing our entry into that war.
It wasn't the military that sprung them out of prison, it was folks like the ones who now join the American Civil Liberties Union and demonstrate for civil rights.
The military doesn't protect our freedoms, it protects us physically as a nation, although it is currently mainly deployed around the world doing various other jobs.
Thanks all
new left conservative 1
Posted by: new left conservative 1 on August 2, 2009 11:07 AMOh and by the way how many innocent unborn children are killed by liberals daily? Don't lecture us about military killing. You are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 2, 2009 11:30 AMGood retort Bill but you didn't address the point I made.
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You've probably also forgotten that the Japanese brutally killed innocent sleeping Navy enlisted men one Sunday morning in 1941.
And for sure you have forgotten the Muslims that flew airplanes into the biggest buildings in the country and into the Pentagon.
No, all you think about is how in your goofy world , in your owns words, "The military doesn't protect our freedoms". You were a hippie during the 1960's. I would bet on it.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 2, 2009 01:01 PMWoodrow Wilson is at the very top, the #1 spot on my own worst-President's list (yes, he edges out W!!!), btw, and I don't ride shotgun for liberal Democrats anyway.
My point is that if Eugene Debbs and the other jailed Americans who saw through the Government lies of the time had waited for the military to get them out of jail they would have waited a very long time.
If you're making the point that we should defend ourselves physically as a nation-state when attacked, then we agree on that.
However, all bureaucracies for better or worse share some of the same nature. They all attempt to protect their budget, add revenue sources, promote themselves, protect their own, grow their mission and advertise it with taxpayer money.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but citizens should be true conservatives and always hold some skepticism--or should I say cynicism-- about bureaucratic propaganda that they paid the bill for whatever bureaucracy it's coming from. That would go for both the EPA, the Housing Dept. or the Navy with it's impressive jets.
Thanks
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Posted by: new left conservative 1 on August 2, 2009 01:43 PM
I too take great pleasure in the politico-technological triumph that are the Blue Angels. But that pleasure is greatly diminished by Big Science's continued cover-up of the true principle that produces airfoil lift. Newton! Not Bernoulliesque principles, have been responsible for human powered flight since Wilbur and Orville first kept company with birds in 1903.
Posted by: TGD on August 2, 2009 02:09 PMI hate to be petty, but the man's name was Eugene Debs, (not "Debbs"). He was a unionist agitator and a socialist. Doubtless one of your heroes despite your inability to spell his name.
Come on, you are an old '60's hippie. I was there. I know.
I too take great pleasure in the politico-technological triumph that are the Blue Angels. But that pleasure is greatly diminished by Big Science's continued cover-up of the true principle that produces airfoil lift. Newton! Not Bernoulliesque principles, have been responsible for human powered flight since Wilbur and Orville first kept company with birds in 1903.
Posted by: TGD on August 2, 2009 02:10 PMI too take great pleasure in the politico-technological triumph that are the Blue Angels. But that pleasure is greatly diminished by Big Science's continued cover-up of the true principle that produces airfoil lift. Newton! Not Bernoulliesque principles, have been responsible for human powered flight since Wilbur and Orville first kept company with birds in 1903.
Posted by: TGD on August 2, 2009 02:10 PMI too take great pleasure in the politico-technological triumph that are the Blue Angels. But that pleasure is greatly diminished by Big Science's continued cover-up of the true principle that produces airfoil lift. Newton! Not Bernoulliesque principles, have been responsible for human powered flight since Wilbur and Orville first kept company with birds in 1903.
Posted by: TGD on August 2, 2009 02:10 PMThen I forget. You people probably teach kids that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 2, 2009 02:30 PMThanks for your correction of my spelling--never my strong point! When it's really important, capitalism comes to my rescue with spell check.
Debs doesn't have to be a personal hero of mine (he probably would be, at least in some ways, if I bothered to study his career more thoroughly) for me to believe fervently in his right to not be put in jail for speaking out for Peace.
I'm sure we agree on that.
Harding is near the top of my list of favorite Presidents btw, and he's also not the military, so my point still wins.
Oh one other thing. You accused me of is being a boomer.
I'd like to deny this categorically and, reminding you that this is the internet, assert that I'm a 16 year old girl.
Have a great end-of-SeaFair everyone,
new left conservative 1
Best
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Posted by: new left conservative 1 on August 2, 2009 03:27 PMAny bloody fool can "speak out for Peace". We all want "Peace". We do. I think conservatives actually have a greater desire for "Peace" and justice in the world than liberals do.
We had to listen to made up leftist crap for years about Bush and Cheney wanting to blow up innocent people for Haliburton. You leftists are liars. I am so sick of you people.
Do you leftist phonies care about the poor women in South Park that were just savaged by a creep that should have been in jail? Well no. After all he was an African American and African Americans have been oppressed for 300 years so oh of course liberals didn't put this thug in jail.
There are bad people in this world, you danged leftist fools. As long as bad people don't come into your homes and stab your wives and children to death you live in la-la land where everyone is nice and build gingerbread houses. I've had more than one friend murdered by really evil people. It happens. It's real. Evil exists in this world and we have to fight it. That is why we build the planes the Blue Angels proudly fly.
Let's talk about the thousands killed by the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Che, and Castro. Oh but you jerks walk around with Che t-shirts on. What a delusional bunch of ignorant stupid fools you are.
Try your "Peace" philosophy on the African American moms that lose their children every weekend on the killing fields of our cities. You think walking around with a sign that says "Peace" will end it? No. Your stupid welfare policies destroyed the African American community and African American families. Look at any graph of the murder rate among African Americans since 1975 and perhaps you'll get it. Don't talk to me about "Peace".
And will "Peace" end killing unborn innocent children? Heck no. You awful people want the government to fund more abortions. You are sick, twisted, nasty people. Can I put it more plainly?
It's real easy to run around saying "we are for "Peace" and ignore the brutal fact that there are lots of really bad people in our midst. You leftist are some of them.
Civilized people are always for "Peace".
That does not mean sitting down for tea with evil?
The 1960's were the worst thing that ever happened to this country. We lost the fundamental ability to tell right from wrong.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 2, 2009 07:36 PMThe truth is that liberals aren't against the wise use of force, but those like me are against wallowing in the notion that killing people should be celebrated, especially with respect to those people that disagree with your ideologies. I don't think I've seen liberals argue that we should obliterate Texas or deport all Republicans with the same zeal that conservatives seem to have when issuing novelty "liberal hunting licenses" or talking about nuking Mecca. We should use deadly force... but only when it's a tool used for just ends with an incredible amount of restraint, not out of a sense of vengeance or a lust for punitive violence. Killing anyone, even your hated enemies, is never a real victory.
And no, liberals live in the same real world that you do. Friends of ours are sent to war, killed, murdered, and otherwise traumatized by truly awful things in this world. And have I thought about violent, bloody retribution against those that have committed some unspeakable acts on friends and colleagues of mine? Sure. Every single day. It would probably shock you to hear details. But does that mean that I should act upon it? No. I've visited and talked to folks from countries where that cycle of violence is left unchecked... and it's not a very pretty sight to see the true consequences of the kind of world conservatives seem to want to see.
Then again, modern conservatives seem to be motivated out of a punitive sense of personal justice more than actual conservative principles, anyway.
Simply put, I'll reiterate what I've said above: admire the Blue Angels for their expertise, and the amazing technology they command. The military should be admired for their sacrifices... as should any of a number of professions that decide to put aside their own self-interest to look out for the common good. But bathing in the blood of one's enemies isn't the sign of a patriot, it's the sign of a POS that more belongs in a third-rate dictatorship than a true modern liberal democracy.
Posted by: demo kid on August 3, 2009 09:28 AMWhere in the name of reason has any conservative ever put forth that notion?
On the other hand you leftists do celebrate the deaths of the innocent unborn. You do more than that, you creeps. You promote it.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 3, 2009 10:40 AMThat's okay... the heroes who fly the Blue Angels will.
And all of your blathering about the deaths of the innocent unborn more merits a rousing chorus of "Every Sperm is Sacred" than an actual, reasonable conversation about the beginning of life.
Rabid conservatives painting liberals as keen on promoting late-term abortions in all cases is absolutely false, and doesn't change the fact that anti-choice folks seem more keen on anthropomorphizing and fetishizing an 8-week-old embryo that isn't even alive than providing an 8-week-old baby with the healthcare and support he or she may need to survive.
Posted by: demo kid on August 3, 2009 11:15 AMTruth is, while I don't know, I have no problems with the actual decision made in Roe v. Wade: first trimester, few restrictions; second trimester, significant restrictions; third trimester, severe restrictions. I think that most rational people view it in that way as well, despite all of the distortions of the issue that conservatives like to push.
But then again, this is irrelevant to the main issue: "pro-life" folks tend to have a very anti-life perspective towards people that are actually alive.
Posted by: demo kid on August 3, 2009 11:31 AMWhere is your proof of this assertion? Your certainly don't have any leftist bias, do you?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 3, 2009 12:02 PM"Truth is, while I don't know..."
But know it isn't 8 weeks. Um. Okay, if you say so.
On the other hand, I don't see how we can put the abortion genie entirely back in the bottle. So, I favor a modified Roe v. Wade solution wherein abortion is legal only during the first trimester, and never thereafter.
It's not ideal, but then again, sanctioned killing never is.
Posted by: Jeff B. on August 3, 2009 01:05 PMCongratulations. You have provided the single most amazingly ignorant statement I have ever read on SoundPolitics. I do hope that we never meet in the real world...
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on August 3, 2009 02:23 PMThat's why college textbooks are impossible to read. They are written by these jerks.
Liberals are so full of their own pompous selves that they deliberately fashion uncomprehensible language.
I just hate these bastards. They are phonies, and they don't know diddly. These are people that couldn't change a flat tire.
These are the very same snotty liberals who, when anything seems to confound them appoint a "commission" or a "blue ribbon panel" to deflect public opinion away from the fact they haven't a clue. What did liberals do in the Gates controversy? Wow, they appointed a "commission" to look into it. I sure would never have predicted such a thing.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 3, 2009 05:08 PMWhat kind of human garbage would make a statement like this?
Just our leftist friends. Aren't they charming?
Why don't they just shove the children they don't want to be born into an oven?
Aren't they wonderful loving people?
No. They are the mean little judgemental hippies that went to Woodstock. Remember what they called the police?
"Pigs".
I did it too and I am ashamed. I entirely get these people such as Obama and Hillary. I know exactly who they are.
Naturally it is our lovely longtime troll "demo kid" who reveals that he is entirely everything I have said he is.
These are not decent nice people. They walk around proudly with their Che t-shirts. You know "demo-kid" has a couple of them. They do seem to feel obligated to provide their own evidence, don't they?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 3, 2009 06:10 PMGosh, Bill didn't mean to set you off there, when I wrote "speaking out for peace."
I was in a hurry to go swimming, I should have edited for phrases that would set you off and that was sure one.
It conjures up images of silly naieve people wishing everyone would just be nice.
I should have wrote "speaking against government lies and speaking up for American principles."
That would be for one the American principle that people don't go to jail for having an opinion and saying it in public.
It's a principle in the US in case you hadn't noticed, ensconced in the Constitution, and true patriots will defend that principle as well as the physical soil of our nation.
(BTW the W. Bush you love unconstitutionally ceded US land by building a wall way on to our side from the Mexican border.)
I also want to complain that you seem to be setting forth contradictory views. A minute ago you were complaining Woodrow Wilson (our worst President in my opinion) was a liberal Democrat.
Now you seem to be saying that America shouldn't have debated whether to fight in WWI, but should have simply taken orders from Wilson as though he were a Dictator.
You seem to have trouble admitting that Debs--and thanks again for correcting my spelling error--should never have been put in jail.
Well, I've got to head off to get some sleep so I'll be ready to put in a full day tomorrow fighting the next bad thing that Government and Business have concocted together (one of the last was ethanol) to ruin the Environment: Cap and Trade.
Best wishes,
new left conservative 1
Pfft. Laughable. The only phony here is some POS crank that constantly seems like he's about to implode because of his bitter attitude towards life. :)
I mean, c'mon. Do you need a hug or something? Was someone just so mean to you that you decided to get your revenge on the entire world? Seems like you're just completely unloved, and lashing out at everything around you in whatever way possible. What a pitiful way of going through life, sir.
Then again, it seems like while I've been trying to get back to the main topic of this thread, whiny conservatives with chips on their shoulders about liberals seem to want to throw everything and the kitchen sink into this.
My point (again) is this: bullies and dictators worship raw displays of power and death. Real Americans better than that... but I'm beginning to doubt that many modern conservatives really are aware of that anymore.
Posted by: demo kid on August 3, 2009 11:13 PMLet's remember those who celebrate infanticide and transitioning for the elderly amongst us [raw displays of power and death], Democrat's. Also let's not forget those who choose to celebrate the lives of tyrants throughout history and display their support of the suppression of personal freedoms by the likes of Che Guevera, Raul and Fidel Castro, et al....Democrat's [bullies and dictator's worship]. You have it exactly 180 degrees assbackwards, Demokid. As usual.
The Blue Angel's demonstrate American power and aviation superiority, which is why, by extension, Seattle liberals loathe them. Perhaps the cuban air force should be doing seafair in the future in order to more accurately reflect this regions political mindset. Let the Blue Angels perform for some other city that understands and appreciates our American heritage.
Posted by: Rick D. on August 4, 2009 06:12 AMI will say I enjoy "new left conservative". He is reasoned and I think we agree on a lot of points. I hope he continues to comment here.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 4, 2009 07:06 AMYou write:
"...he's about to implode because of his bitter attitude towards life."
#98
You write:
"fetishizing an 8-week-old embryo that isn't even alive"
Posted by: Gary on August 4, 2009 07:50 AM@111: Whatever. You're just proving my point.
Posted by: demo kid on August 4, 2009 09:44 AMYeah I agree that Eugene Debs probably shouldn't have been jailed during WWI...but to use that as some sort of example of American intolerence of dissent is simply ludicrous. The left constantly pushes the notion that conservatives banish people that disagree with them to some American equivilant of Siberia. Or kick in their doors and break their fingers. It is utterly not true and they know it. These people are liars.
Look at what the left has done to Sarah Palin. The have savaged her without mercy because she is a successful woman who opposes killing unborn children. Could they have been more vicious?
These same swell folks are doing the exact same to Susan Hutchison. The Seattle Times has taken her to court and oh what a surprise, the rest of the Seattle media has joined in. You watch, there will be a huge hit piece on her before the King County Executive election.
These are nasty, nasty people. They always were. And guess what? Americans are starting to figure that out.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 4, 2009 09:49 AM@ #95 demo twerp wrote "but those like me are against wallowing in the notion that killing people should be celebrated"
@ #96 Bill Cruchon asked "Where in the name of reason has any conservative ever put forth that notion?
FACT . . . NO ONE but demokid made any such statement or wallowed in any such notion
and he did so OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
Very amusing
Warren . . . thanks for bringing it up
How about that guy who says his name is "Dorsal Plant" who is running for Seattle City Council? He says he's an Iraq War veteran and perhaps he is. But he looks like he's more likely a recent graduate of Evergreen State College.
You think the liberal media is going to investigate him? Heck no, they are too busy savaging Susan Hutchison.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 4, 2009 04:21 PMAnd Sarah Palin? Sorry, Charlie, but assuming that the left savaged her because she was "a successful woman who opposes killing unborn children" is so inane it's laughable. The left criticized her because her mouth writes checks that her ass can't cash. Not only can't she speak to save her life, she's a completely ineffective and incapable politician. She's pretty much lacking in everything except for raw ambition, and the idea that conservatives can support her as the savior of the Republican party is absolutely insane.
@116: How about...
Just the idea of the Blue Angels winging in at 700 miles per hour over our roof tops reminds us that we are able to target individual towel-heads from 1000 feet at mach one and effortlessly splatter their tiny brains all over the place so quickly they never know what hit em.
Guess who said that? :)
So screw you. Seriously. If America just had people like you, we'd be nothing more than a tinpot dictatorship. You're an example of the worst this country has to offer.
Posted by: demo kid on August 4, 2009 09:09 PMNot if I see you first...
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on August 4, 2009 10:43 PMThat's right, "Just the idea of the Blue Angels winging in at 700 miles per hour over our roof tops reminds us that we are able to target individual towel-heads from 1000 feet at mach one and effortlessly splatter their tiny brains all over the place so quickly they never know what hit em."
No wonder demo kid is apprehensive. Undoubtedly for him, such American high technology and target acquisition seems decidedly aimed at his liberal style, cranial characteristics, and state of awareness.
Posted by: Amused by Liberals on August 5, 2009 07:03 AMSo, are you a carpet bombing advocate, or a hand-to-hand advocate? Seems to me the F-18 is the perfect solution to avoiding both of those other ways of fighting.
Just comfirms my belief that the nasty people are attracted to the left. I think it explains a lot.
I find demo kid (in English, half-wit) comically deranged.
His nastiness falls second to his willingness to rhetorically smear crap all over himself and strut around witless like a bantam rooster.
What they particularly don't like is when we point out their hypocrisy. These are people that enjoy all the benefits capitalism has brought them but for some deluded reason continue to believe in socialism.
I think it is because leftists at their core are the kind of people who like pushing other people around. That's what socialism is all about. That's what national healthcare is all about...telling us all what to eat and how to live our lives. Leftists love doing that, it literally is what makes them tick.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 5, 2009 08:34 AMThat's not that much of an insult, coming from someone that preaches that we should kill "towelheads".
@125: Pull the chain of almost any leftist and you get a response such as "screw you".
Pffft. You've been spewing out insults left and right. So much for calling liberals "hypocrites".
I think it is because leftists at their core are the kind of people who like pushing other people around.
You're the only one here advocating that we kill people.
Posted by: demo kid on August 5, 2009 12:15 PMBill Cruchon wrote, "I think it is because leftists at their core are the kind of people who like pushing other people around."
I'm the one here advocating that in war, we kill our enemies.
Conservatives love peace. What we do understand however is that the world is full of evil. That's what Neville Chamberlain did not understand. Winston Churchill did. We hate war, we hate killing. That includes killing unborn innocent babies.
Leftists in historical context have murdered millions and advocate the murder of the unborn with relish. Who are the bad guys? It really isn't difficult to figure out, is it?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 5, 2009 03:10 PM