Kirby Wilbur this morning said that all the common books except the first (a bio of physician Paul Farmer) are ideological propaganda. In fact the Paul Farmer book is a Marxist anthem. Mountains Beyond Mountains, mostly about Dr. Farmer's good work in Haiti, is wholly about leftist radicalism: Farmer's inspiration is Castro's Cuba and, according to Dori Monson, Farmer's sugar daddy is George Soros.

But thanks for the heads-up, Ron. I don't think I'll be able to make it to any of the protests. But I'll definitely have time to write a quick email to my congresspeople reminding them that it's highly unlikely that any of the teabaggers voted to put them into office, and just as unlikely that wavering on health care reform will get them any new votes next time.

I sent similar messages to Cantwell and that faux conservative/traitor Reichert.

I suggest YOU do the same.

The 'poll numbers" are falling for all this crap. If they are falling this dramatically during summer when typically no one pays attention to the machinations of government, how much do you suppose they'll fall when folks finally start paying attention? Why do you suppose those deceptive, rotten democraps are pushing all this crap through with no "transparency" and their claim of "urgency"?

CALL.
WRITE.

Back on topic, sort of - anyone else disturbed that these representatives have SO many offices, with all their staffs and expenses? The only advantage I see is that it makes it more convenient to protest the destruction of our quality health care.

They turn every word upside-down, including "right" and "freedom".

CBO is dumping on this turd now.

This bill is vile. You have to be a hateful, evil person to support this awful plan. You fascists want to enslave me in a terrible system & kill the economy, yet I am the one who is being selfish? No, it is you that is selfish. Keep your laws off of my body, pro-choice, abolsih slavery (all slavery, including govt. deathcare systems and socialism).

LYING dogs!

This is part of the battle plan of the left on those who produce, and like every battle plan they come up with, they have failed to realize that the other side has a vote and can counterattack or simply retreat.

There are tax havens all over the world that will gladly take the richest off our hands, and plenty will do it. (Don't think it will happen? Then you are naive as it happens already.) It doesn't take many of these ultra-high income people moving out to greatly damage the revenue projections.

Other, less prosperous but still wealthy individuals will develop new tax plans, move less of their investments into hard assets such as real estate, or simply retire, and that will also radically reduce the expected government income the dems plan to get from taxing the rich.

The net effect will be a massive revenue shortfall, and guess who gets to pick up the tab then?

Hint: it won't be the poor who don't pay taxes.

It also won't be businesses as the Pelosi congress plans other new taxes and regulations for them that will already keep them on the very edge of financial ruin.

That leaves only the middle class, and they will get hit hard.

They will saddle the middle class taxpayer with tons of new taxes and a healthcare system that will be overloaded and not nearly as responsive or innovative as what we've been paying for.

This so "48 million uninsured" - of which 10 to 12 million are illegal immigrants and millions of others are drug using undisciplined and unmotivated losers who've been trained by our public schools that productive "owe" them a good living. Don't have to go to their own countries or get a real job.

We're all about to get royally screwed. Thanks a lot Obama.

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Exactly right. But the President does not care about that. Remember when Tim Russert asked him during a debate about how raising the Cap Gains tax would actually cause a *decrease* in revenue? Remember what Obama's response was? He said that it didn't matter... what mattered was "fairness". He will stick it to "the rich" regardless of the impact to the budget, and the poor will suffer for it.

So, not only will the govt *not* get the increase, but they will lose what they were already getting because people aren't stupid. Behaviors change.

When you tax a person 30%, you get 30%. When you tax 'em 100%, you get 0%.

Also, this stealth little detail about the 1-5.4% "surtax" on "the rich" appear in same Times story: "The additional tax on high-income people COULD RISE SIGNIFICANTLY IN 2013 IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID NOT ACHIEVE SPECIFIED SAVINGS IN FEDERAL HEALTH PROGRAMS SUCH AS MEDICARE AND MEDICAID". (my caps)

Anyone here REALLY think the gov. will achieve any meaningful savings in these areas and NOT raise this evil tax? Yah, no hands going up on that one.

Joe Biden said so.

Just think of how un-bankrupt we'll be at the rates they're spending.

But hey, they can manage our health care and control the Earth's climate, so who am I to question Authority?

selfish: concerned chiefly or only with yourself and your advantage to the exclusion of others

i think that describes a majority of conservatives these days.

Buttinsky: Concerned mainly with sticking one's nose into other people's business.

I think that describes the majority of liberals these days.

Anyway, again, you are not required to attend ay of the rallies.

So...?

Interesting. In this thread we're told that it is irresponsible of us if we don't subsidize your healthcare, and on this thread we are told straight-up that we don't even count. And we're supposedly the selfish ones?

Screw you!

second, it's "our" healthcare, not mine, not yours. this is why your thinking is so skewed. it's not your country, it's not my country, it's ours.

i've got more important things to do than go to rallies infested w/ bigots, racists and traitors. remember all the whining when repubs were in power and blew it? "you don't like it here, you can always leave?" (although usu. a lot more swearing) maybe conservatives should stop being selfish dimwits or follow their own advice.

i think what duffman meant to say is that you (republicans) are irrelevant, not that you don't count.

Same idiotic snarky nonsensical arrogance and empty brained crap.

You would think that unscrupulous Democrats who fu*k over their own constituents had never been elected before.
Liars lie to everyone (not just thier enemies) mike/Rizzo, didn't you know that?
Watch how Obama hoses the likes of Rizzo/Mike when the tide turns (soon).

Liberal duplicity - the gift that keeps on giving.
Endlessly entertaining.

i've got more important things to do than go to rallies infested w/ bigots, racists and traitors.

Fine, then don't go to any lefty rallies. Instead go to a T.E.A. party rally where people of all ideological, sociological, and cultural stripe gather to voice their concerns.

Or don't - I'd prefer you not stink up the place...

i'm just not selfish enough to think that the world revolves around me, that we need to provide health care for all americans (not insurance). to think that the richest coutry in the world can't afford it is selfish and absurd. there are things we need to do as a country to secure life - that right you guys keep talking about.

people of all ideological, sociological, and cultural stripe gather to voice their concerns.

riight. only they aren't voicing conerns, as much as they are denigrating minorities and shouting lies. and since when are libertarian-leaning white folks not considered homogenous?

Are you what you said or not?

Juast assking

insurance companies making health care cost prohibitive to patients w/ pre-existing conditions is rationing health care.

insurance companies denying health care to patients w/ pre-existing conditions is rationing health care.

insurance companies denying health care to those with insurance is rationing health care.

insurance companies coming between doctors and patients is rationing health care.

tens of millions of uninsured, underinsured, and those on the verge of losing employment are rationed health care.

how you don't seem to understand this is perplexing.

btwm this notion that poor people can just go get help at the emergency room is so false it's ridiculous. poor people tend to wait to get help, and the longer they wait, the costlier that is. who do the costs get passed to? anyone? buehler?

Ragnar's fine.
What is perplexing you is your own rank stupidity.
Amusing for me though.

Thanks

"Short people who can't ring the bell for service is rationing health care."

"One legged hermaphrodites who miss the bus is rationing health care."

Wow, I never knew!

actually, alphabet, it is. it is in the same sense that you wingnuts have been projecting your unfounded fears on single payer.

Don't tell Mike/rizzo he's the stupid one (that he knows of).
BTW Did you tell him that?
He said our "absurdist" positions are equally comical. Is that a word?
Also, I don't do bullshit liberal-speak (lying double-talk) well; is it possible that we should feeeel complimented?

and absurdist is a word, but you are correct: i meant to write absurd positions

is bullshit liberal speak similar to selfish- me-first, screw the poor, facts don't matter, dbag "family values" hypocrite speak?

This individual freedom thing really gets to "liberals" these days. Actually most of these liberal morons call themselves "progressives" now to avoid the stigma of having surrendered their liberty for the cheap illusion of security. It's like street punks working up the courage to rob a "rich" neighbor. Yeah, he's selfish, me first, screw the poor, facts don't matter, lets show that bastard."

The reason it gets to them is because they know that at the heart of the debate is the freedom of every individual American. Progressives believe that they must shame us out of our god-given inalienable rights with emotional appeals of moral superiority of "generosity" and "selflessness," or their health care program may not be out into effect, and their partisan victory will be thwarted. They care more about vindicating their fantasy than anyone's individual freedom.

These phony liberal/progressives willingly ignore the fact that just as their is no liberty or progress offered by their liberal/progressivism, there is no generosity or selflessness in surrendering precious individual rights to a government. To the contrary. They don't care that supposed "facts" and statistics about our health care system are utterly irrelevant when compared to the loss of individual freedom to choose for ones' self. Neither do they care that most of us have already made certain that a safety net already exists whereby we very much care for our neighbors and as individuals, Americans are the most selfless and generous people on earth.

When these phony liberal/progressives repeat over and over that those who disagree with their utterly stupid surrender of individual rights are "selfish- me-first, screw the poor, facts don't matter," they are only proving that they completely lost the debate.

My insistence upon defending my right to keep my own property free from seizure by phony liberal/progressive punks like Mike/Rizzo and his ilk is self respect. I refuse to surrender my freedom for petty false appeals to moral superiority especially by those whose moral bankruptcy has created the problem.
Huge numbers of people like me are quietly and inexorably preparing to resist their efforts to seize our freedoms by whatever means.

BTW, looked around again yesterday. All of the sports stores stocks of ammo and hardware are nearly bought out. Back orders are seemingly endless. Hussein Obama is the greatest firearms salesman in the history of the world.

Wonder why?

Disambiguate much?

is bullshit liberal speak similar to selfish- me-first, screw the poor, facts don't matter, dbag "family values" hypocrite speak?

Apparently to someone to whom words are relative and fluid things. To normal people, no.

Problem solved.

And the rest of us can be left alone from lying democraps and an intrusive government

Another problem solved.

Then pretty soon just like this health care nonsense, every addle-brained butt licking Rizzo (John Jensen who advertises that he wants to murder conservatives) freebee moron type in the wood work would dee-cide they dee-serve a nice big new house with a pool on the government, and yours shore looks good to him.

Its next on their hit parade, "housing reform," only without the silly formality of FNMA OR FDMAC and mortgages.

Sorry Ragnar, with all due respect, this would only be . . . another problem created.

". . . so I am amused at your outrage now."

Unwittingly amused by your own imbecility

"Where we all your protest then! "

Many of "we all" protested overspending by the Democrat Congress in the latter Bush term. Where were you genius!