King County has now settled my public records lawsuit for $225,000, one of the largest settlements for public records violations in state history.
The lawsuit stemmed from my December 2004 request for a list of all voters who voted in the November 2004 election. The county did not satisfy my request in full until January 2007.
The documents that they eventually provided to me revealed that county election officials unlawfully counted hundreds of ineligible ballots in the 2004 election: a multiple of Christine Gregoire's 133-vote "margin of victory" over Dino Rossi in the contested gubernatorial race. Documentation of these illegal votes was withheld from discovery in the election contest trial and not released to me until months after the trial. Consequently, the trial was conducted in ignorance of these potentially outcome-changing illegal votes.
Additional documents that were released last month in discovery for my case confirmed that county officials both knew more about the illegal vote counting than they had previously acknowledged, and also knowingly withheld responsive documents from me during 2005 and 2006.
The exceptionally large (for records cases) settlement, which King County offered before trial, clearly recognizes the county's culpability in this matter.
King County Executive Ron Sims, who is ultimately responsible for any records violations under his administration, appears to be on track for confirmation as Deputy Secretary of HUD. Sims is also well known for the Yousoufian public records scandal.
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Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 24, 2009 09:58 AM | Email ThisIt does sound like at least obstruction of justice criminal charges are appropriate against the perpetrators of this electoral fraud. Maybe it is time to start pushing Satterberg and McKenna to go after these scumbags.
It is past time to throw these Democrat crooks into jail and/or ruin their lives.
Posted by: iconoclast on April 24, 2009 10:26 AMI wonder how long before one of the Slaver Marxists pop into this thread and say it's all OK, no one really meant to lie to the court, to withhold evidence, to circumvent the rule of law...
Sims shouldn't be given a position in any administration - he should hauled into court and tried on the charge of obstruction of justice.
And if Gregoire had an ounce in integrity, she'd step down and wait until the next election to run again (the election in 2008 had the built-in advantage of her being an incumbent).
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on April 24, 2009 11:30 AMCONGRATULATIONS !!!!!
And THANK YOU !!!!!
Posted by: Bart Cannon on April 24, 2009 12:00 PMWhat changed?
Posted by: BA on April 24, 2009 12:06 PMMany thanks Stefan for an otherwise thankless but very needed (even if belated) airing of dirty laundry. Without your efforts, this would always have just been an historical argument with both sides claiming they won fair and square. Now history can record "Yes, this election was illegally stolen and democracy was undermined." It can happen even in America if the public is not vigilent.
Posted by: KW64 on April 24, 2009 12:54 PMAnd we choose new officials for the county, let's not forget this lesson.
Posted by: Jim Miller on April 24, 2009 01:25 PMBottom Line: There should be a Call for accountability on the Crimes of Government Waste, Theft and the Act of Treason for Voter Fraud. It should not be limited to fines and incarceration. There should be Capital Punishment for those who are responsible for any Act of Treason. Especially, Voter Fraud.
Once again, when the light of truth beams down upon the left it reveals lying, slimy, dishonest creeps.
They say, "time heals all wounds." In the case of Ron Sims' corruption, reported in more than one case here at Sound Politics, time is a very effective tool Sims and King County use to avoid accountability for their corruption. And not just avoid accountability, but get what they want for some future cost paid by the taxpayers.
In exchange for a few hundred thousand here, or a few million there in settlements, King County seems to ultimately achieve whatever it pursues. Whether getting election losers elected, funding stadiums on the taxpayers' dime, or covering up corruption in DOT, in the end all the taxpayers seem to get in the end is another bill to pay for the sins of this government.
On a side note, I recently called upon my Council Member Kathy Lambert (R), to step up and publicly demand that DOT whistleblowers, who recently won their lawsuit against King County DOT Director Linda Dougherty for retaliation, be returned to positions of authority and pay they had before they were punished for trying to expose DOT corruption. As an elected representative of District 3, I also called upon her to call for the termination of Ms. Dougherty, or at least some sort of reprimand and order that Dougherty be required to pay court costs and fines herself. Not much to ask of my representative who voted against the development where these men tried to expose the related DOT wrongdoing.
The response from Lambert's office was for me, lowly and powerless citizen, to pursue the issue through the offices that Sims used in the first place to suppress these men and their attempts to defend the public interest.
Once again, integrity and honesty goes unrewarded in King County, while men and women who demonstrate the opposite traits, such as Sims, win promotion to Federal Office.
Thank you Ms. Lambert - for nothing.
Posted by: MJC on April 24, 2009 02:41 PMNot Ron Sims, but Paul Berendt is back there neck-deep in it. Yes. The same Paul Berendt who was head of the state Ds here in 2004.
Posted by: jimg on April 24, 2009 03:41 PMAn even louder and ruder noise in the direction of the Seattle Times, which had every duty to investigate that election on behalf of EVERY MEMBER of the voting public, not just the token to comfort their liberal readers. Shame on the Times, that one private individual did a better job of shining bright lights on County malfeasance than their whole reeking group of reporters and editors and fact-checkers.
The same goes for the P-I of course, but there's only David Horsey to kick around now, and he can get even by painting a moustache and horns and a tail on a photo of Stefan.
Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on April 24, 2009 03:42 PMThis may not fit in with your paranoid delusions, but the Times endorsed Rossi in that election.
Posted by: Bruce on April 24, 2009 03:48 PMSpend and invest it wisely.
Posted by: Politcally Incorrect on April 24, 2009 04:05 PMStefan, you must have really pissed rabbit off to have him actually make a comment here! Good work!
Posted by: Politically Incorrect on April 24, 2009 04:22 PMDid anyone ever consider that Gregoire just wasn't that popular with the Democrats either? She's not.
I despise both major political parties, but having a fair election where votes are counted in accordance with the LAW (remember that, Rabbit?) is what is in the best interests of ALL residents.
Stefan is to be applauded for his efforts an unearthing the truth from that pile of fertilizer of a Gubernatorial election in 2004.
Posted by: DesMnsDave on April 24, 2009 04:55 PMDid anyone ever consider that Gregoire just wasn't that popular with the Democrats either? She's not.
I despise both major political parties, but having a fair election where votes are counted in accordance with the LAW (remember that, Rabbit?) is what is in the best interests of ALL residents.
Stefan is to be applauded for his efforts an unearthing the truth from that pile of fertilizer of a Gubernatorial election in 2004.
Posted by: DesMnsDave on April 24, 2009 04:56 PMMy, aren't we one paranoid Rabbit!
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 04:57 PMBeyond that, we get the government we deserve. King County consistently elects people who believe that government has authority over the people when in fact government derives its authority FROM the people. In fact, they regularly do that on a state-wide level while the rest of us wonder "why bother to turn out and vote?" So.. again, meh. I'm much more worried about our government's complete inability to recognize when they need to put the brakes on their spending orgies than I am about a paltry $225k.
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MORON. It's BECAUSE and ONLY because a citizen has a chance of being paid that this sort of thing can come to light. And there's much, much more of this sort of thing that never sees the light of day, because all a citizen can actually do is go broke pursuing stuff like this.
Only a first-class fool would complain about reimbursing a citizen for his time in pursuing this. There should be MORE chances for citizens to profit by exposing wrongdoing, not less.
What a flying, flaming idiot. Unreal. All he can think of is to complain that an honest man gets rewarded for this.
Posted by: Mister Snitch on April 24, 2009 05:16 PMThat's its Editorial page, and it can endorse anyone it wants.
But the Times is a NEWSpaper, and its reporters have a moral duty to pursue election crookedness wherever it might be, no matter which party or candidate might benefit. It failed that duty, and damaged its readership and this democracy in doing so.
Posted by: Insuffficiently Sensitive on April 24, 2009 05:44 PMYes, the officials who aided, abetted and allowed voter fraud to occur should be run out of office, forced to pay the legal bills, and barred from further public service.
Wonder if 'Roger Rabbit' agrees with that? We wouldn't want him to be hypocritical, you know.
Posted by: Steve White on April 24, 2009 06:26 PMDo you have a better idea? I suppose we could force the individuals to pay the fines, but the fines could never be both significant enough and be paid by civil servants. We could send them to jail, but that's not going to happen.
Make no mistake, the entire blame for every cent spent by the county here is with Ron Sims.
What this also points out is that King County is governed no better than a banana republic and sorry to say - Ron Sims will fit well in an administration that has an affinity for transforming this great country into a banana republic. Just look at how Obama wants to be liked by the rogue dictators of countries commonly thought of as banana republics.
Posted by: KS on April 24, 2009 06:32 PMRon Sims will fit right in with all the other appointments with the Obama administration that have had 'indiscretions' with the truth.
Posted by: Marge on April 24, 2009 07:11 PMRon Sims will fit right in with all the other appointments with the Obama administration that have had 'indiscretions' with the truth.
Posted by: Marge on April 24, 2009 07:11 PMRoger -
The citizens of King County ceased being innocent when they reelected Ron Sims.
Posted by: delbert on April 24, 2009 07:25 PMYou are daftly confusing the county's paying the penalty -- which arguably keeps officials accountable -- with who they're paying it to. There's no reason why Stefan should get paid for the county's mistakes. As Ross@40 suggested, the moral step would be for Stefan to donate whatever's left after expenses to charity, or perhaps to a group that fights (in a nonpartisan way) for open government.
Posted by: Bruce on April 24, 2009 07:57 PMWhat is even more surprising is the foul mouthed leftist didn't swear. I think he is being spoofed. That cannot be the same filthy rabbit from HA.
Posted by: pbj on April 24, 2009 08:14 PMKnowing that Stefan will be getting money from the hate mongers Rabbit and Goldy is just delicious indeed.
Posted by: pbj on April 24, 2009 08:18 PMWhen it comes to village idiot Roger Rabbit, none is more idiotic that you.
Posted by: pbj on April 24, 2009 08:28 PMWhat we lost in 2004 was way more more precious than $225K. What we lost on 2004 was our Democracy. Gregoire is an unelected fraud. No more in this state can we ever claim our election process is fair and representative of the will of the people.
Posted by: pbj on April 24, 2009 08:33 PMThere's no reason why Stefan should get paid for the county's mistakes. As Ross@40 suggested, the moral step would be for Stefan to donate whatever's left after expenses to charity, or perhaps to a group that fights (in a nonpartisan way) for open government.
There's an enormous reason that Stefan should get paid. Useless folks blither about 'a group that fights for open government'. There may be such groups, but they did absolutely nothing. Stefan did something.
He observed the sleazy doings by the County, and invested hundreds of hours of his own time, and significant money, and fought for four years for open government. The County in its antidemocratic wisdom and deep pockets fought against open government.
So Stefan invested more of his hard-earned cash with attorneys and took the anti-citizen County to court, while urban sophisticates babbled about 'moral steps' they felt Stefan should take. Guess what: the urban sophisticates are still babbling, and Stephan won, single-handedly (a lot like the Little Red Hen) a judgement from the County for its illegal behavior.
Like hell he should hand it over to some blithering NGO of your choice. He earned it fair and square - NO ONE ELSE was there to help when the need was present.
Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on April 24, 2009 09:01 PMWell done.
Posted by: Anthony on April 24, 2009 10:38 PMCraigslist massage therapists, beware.
Posted by: Organization Man on April 24, 2009 10:44 PMHow much were Sims and company paid during those years to withhold records and stonewall? I guess you didn't get your money's worth twice over.
These well-established facts are, of course, irrelevant, as Washington State law clearly required the plaintiffs to show that these disputed ballots changed the outcome of the election. The plaintiffs could not show even a single illegal vote going to Governor Gregoire, while the intervenors in the case easily established felons voting for Rossi.
Public disclosure laws are important and should be followed -- even if a U.S. Attorney General instructs his subordinates to fight each and every public disclosure request on sight -- and the disposition of this suit put King County in an intractable position. The plaintiff's demand, for over one million names from the historical record, would have required far more than the quarter-million dollars the plaintiff has now legally taken from us taxpayers. Each of these one-million-plus names was another chance for the plaintiff to demand more information; in effect, a million-headed hydra, driving our administrative costs upwards for no valid reason.
Two other factors could have helped determine the County's effort to avoid more needless, expensive actions. First, the original lawsuit had been dismissed "with prejudice", so the results of this search would be legally null and void. (Our County wisely decided against spending any more money on literally nothing.) Second, the felonious abuse of voter-registration laws, in a clear attempt to disenfranchise legitimate voters (e.g. by Lori Sotello) meant our County elected to protect us law-abiding citizens from potential abuse of our voter-registration records.
Since voting is a right, not a privilege, the County did the right thing, erring on the side of caution in counting these disputed ballots. Public disclosure is more important than even this flagrant abuse of it, and so we won't vote to change our laws. There is still not one iota of evidence to show the election was wrongly decided, and as for supposed illegalities in King County, well, the King County Prosecutor, and Washington State's Attorney General, have already refused to file any charges. Perhaps the next logical step is to urge their electoral defeats?
Posted by: tensor on April 25, 2009 01:30 AMWhat is still boiling my bones is that King County and Seattle leftists cheated Washington State citizens out of a chance for a capable governor, rather than the POS we have been stuck with. I'll be waiting (but not holding my breath) for the indictments.
Posted by: Saltherring on April 25, 2009 07:11 AM" There's no reason why Stefan should get paid for the county's mistakes."
Roger
They weren't mistakes, it was malfeasance. And the original crime should have been prosecuted criminally. Stefan is just getting an award for exposing the criminals.
@61
I had a point at 58. You can try and attack me all day, but unless you want to present an argument or rebuttal, you're just going to sound like another whiny Democrat.
The others are just projecting and covering up their sins like they always do.
Corruption, your name is democrat.
Posted by: dan on April 25, 2009 08:09 AMThose party hacks like tensor trying to turn the tables and somehow portray the county as the victim for their pattern of clear abuse of public records laws is reminiscent of the old Soviet Union. Like a true Geobbels-esque propagandist, they don't let facts get in their way.
King County has a history of suppressing public information and Stefan's case isn't the only time they have been held to account. Armen Yousoufian met the same felonious abuse of public open records laws by county officials when he simply requested information on the QWEST field project prior to the crucial vote on the matter. This makes one wonder how many FOI requests went unanswered that were never taken to court simply because of the high hurdle of time and resources require to hold the government to account.
The false argument put forth that somehow a request for a million names in this day and age of modern high speed computer systems is nothing but a red herring. A few keystrokes and walking to the printer is all that is required of these supposedly overworked public servants.
The decision to settle was clearly because the county knew their position was in the wrong and they feared further trial and possible prosecution of those involved. One must also consider the nexus of the timing between the settlement and the confirmation hearing of the soon to be former county executive, Ron Sims.
It simply stretches limits of credulity to claim that the very same county that has fought Armen Yousoufian when they previously violated public records laws in a prior instance and fought to the Supreme Court, would now be so pragmatic as to settle simply to benignly avoid further costs rather than cover the tracks of those who violated one of the most sacred of all trusts, open public access to the inner workings of our government.
Yes, legitimate voters were disenfranchised, but not by the citizenry insisting on open public records. Rather they were disenfranchised by illegal votes of the dead, felons and non-citizens. Of course as this illegal activity benefits the likes of party hacks like Tensor and Roger Rabbit, it is no surprise they are here to frequently attempt damage control.
This outcome is the coup de grâce of the mountain of evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that our Democracy was stolen in 2004. Any insistence otherwise by those who benefit from that election theft is disingenuous at best and criminal at worst.
Since this is actual news, can anyone tell us if ANY of the talking heads will report on this? I have sent it to the 3 local TV stations, but the more people who do this, the better chance that it will be reported...not accurately, but maybe mentioned.
Okay, so maybe I'm delusional. Bombard them anyway.
Posted by: ChasW on April 25, 2009 09:35 AMExactly what is there to like about this ron sims person?
Will someone answer the question please?
Posted by: dan on April 25, 2009 12:11 PMThe exceptionally large (for records cases) settlement, which King County offered before trial, clearly recognizes the county's culpability in this matter.
Nope. Bill Clinton settled Paula Jones' lawsuit, even though it was later dismissed as the frivolous piece of garbage it always had been. The right wing used her as their stooge, to bankrupt him, and he decided to stop the bleeding. That's all. A settlement, in and of itself, implies no wrong-doing by the defendant; that's a very old principle of American jurisprudence, and this plaintiff's ignoring of it means nothing, beyond his usual mendacity surrounding this case. (Anyone care to bet the actual text of the settlement contains a statement of no wrongdoing admitted? It would explain why the text was not reproduced here.)
The election is over. Rossi lost. Judge Bridges told you sloppiness does not invalidate an election, and no one has shown any evidence of voter fraud. Get over it.
. Rather they were disenfranchised by illegal votes of the dead, felons and non-citizens.
Yes, I was one of the wronged voters. Judge Bridges rectified some of that error, by deleting the illegal votes of felons. I wonder how large Gov. Gregoire's margin of victory really was?
Posted by: tensor on April 25, 2009 12:41 PMYou are a lying, moronic f*ck.
I and others have explained to you many times previously that Judge Bridges had no opportunity to consider the evidence eventually brought to light by Stefan.
This evidence could not be presented at the trial because KCE refused to provide it.
Get it, pinhead? Judge Bridges never saw this evidence, because of the wrongdoing by KCE.
And the evidence that KCE illegally withheld, so that it could not be presented at the trial, renders Judge Bridges' findings meaningless.
Posted by: ewaggin on April 25, 2009 01:37 PMCheap at 100 times the price.
Kudos to Stefan (and Armen Youssafian, too)!
Posted by: ewaggin on April 25, 2009 01:40 PMJudge Bridges didn't get to see all the evidence because the Democrat crooks of King county STOLE the election by withholding all the vital information.
This capitulation of the county, in order to avoid taking the case to full trial is proof of their guilt.
All has "proven" is that King County MIGHT have mishandled some votes. I mean, as careful as Stephan has been, he's not a definitive expert on election matters, is he? And, the payment by King County proves nothing more than they possibly made a cynical cost/benefit calculation and made the Sharkansky problem go away.
Those 500-odd allegedly improper votes Sharkansky ferreted out - IN KING COUNTY WHERE GREGOIRE WON BY A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN - would NOT have changed the outcome. All we have is bureaucratic carelessness - the same kind of carelessness (unfortunately) that is present throughout our election system.
For instance, in the 2004 election, several other counties in Washington had error rates GREATER than King County's error rate. Counties in the conservative areas that made mistakes were ignored. Partisans, like Sharkansky, focused on King County for obvious reasons.
Posted by: Johnbo on April 25, 2009 05:01 PMThose 500-odd allegedly improper votes Sharkansky ferreted out - IN KING COUNTY WHERE GREGOIRE WON BY A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN - would NOT have changed the outcome. All we have is bureaucratic carelessness - the same kind of carelessness (unfortunately) that is present throughout our election system.
For instance, in the 2004 election, several other counties in Washington had error rates GREATER than King County's error rate. Counties in the conservative areas that made mistakes were ignored. Partisans, like Sharkansky, focused on King County for obvious reasons.
All Sharkansky has "proven" is that King County MIGHT have mishandled some votes. I mean, as careful as Stephan has been, he's not a definitive expert on election matters, is he? And, the payment by King County proves nothing more than they possibly made a cynical cost/benefit calculation and made the Sharkansky problem go away.
That being said, this should be investigated. If someone KNOWINGLY gamed the system, they should pay the price.
We have no idea how the election would have come out because the COUNTY WITHHELD THE EVIDENCE. What about this don't you neocommies understand?
I mean, as careful as Stephan has been, he's not a definitive expert on election matters, is he?
Apparently more so than the crooked Democrat run King County.
The payment by King County was essentially a buyoff to avoid a court trial. It is as much as an admission of guilt.
The Democrats should be acting in the best interests of their own brand and image, and purging those who tarnish that image before the voters. By aiding and abetting the original vote fraud, and then by covering up their malfeasance when called to account in court, they have destroyed any credibility with the public.
How can the Democrats expect to govern legitimately without a cleaner image? Do they really expect that the public's apathy will continue forever?
If I were a Democrat I would be ashamed. If I were a Democrat I would be busy lining up untarnished candidates for office now, before the public's anger boils over. Otherwise, when the citizens do decide to throw out the Democrats, those left in Olympia will be put on trial for their crimes.
Posted by: R. Ford Mashburn on April 26, 2009 01:52 AMJudge Bridges already explained this to you. Under our election law, it does not matter how many invalid votes were counted. It matters only if those votes changed the outcome of the election. The plaintiffs had the obligation to show that the election had been wrongly decided, and at this they utterly, completely, totally failed. By contrast, the intervenors easily showed felons voting for Rossi. Those votes were illegal, and should not have been counted; shame on King County Records and Elections for counting them -- but they did not alter the outcome of the election.
This evidence could not be presented at the trial because KCE refused to provide it.
The plaintiffs and intervenors provided plenty of evidence of votes improperly counted. Judge Bridges even deleted illegal votes from his final recertification. More such evidence would not have altered his decision in the slightest. There is still NO evidence that any of the ballots in this new case altered the outcome of the election. That is our legal standard.
You are a lying, moronic f*ck.
Ah, the great right-wing civility and decency I've heard so much about! Stay classy, guys!
Posted by: tensor on April 26, 2009 01:57 AMJudge Brudges expalined NO SUCH THING. How could he? He NEVER SAW ALL THE EVIDENCE. To pretend he did shows your dishonesty.
The entire volume of invalid votes counted were FIVE TIMES the pretenders Gregoire's margin, so YES indeed it would have altered the outcome DRAMATICALLY.
The plaintiffs and intervenors provided plenty of evidence of votes improperly counted.
Plenty DOES NOT MEAN ALL. And in our system of jurisprudence, that means justice was not served. Why do you think they dismissed the charge against Ted Stevens recently? Because not ALL the evidence was made available. You are simply a Democrat party hack, the very same guy who tried to defend Rev Wright until Obama threw him under the bus. You couldn't care one whit about honest elections. You only care that your side wins, democracy and will of the people be damned.
That the Tamany hall crooks of King County can undermine our system and turn it into a third world banana republic and you still defend them only shows your avarice for all to see.
Posted by: BoJo on April 26, 2009 08:30 AMThose 500-odd allegedly improper votes Sharkansky ferreted out - IN KING COUNTY WHERE GREGOIRE WON BY A SUBSTANTIAL MARGIN - would NOT have changed the outcome.
And you know this HOW? Have you seen the votes? Maybe you were one of the little slave boys for Sims who culled the ballot box to remove 500 Rossi votes?
Ten cents wrote:
Under our election law, it does not matter how many invalid votes were counted. It matters only if those votes changed the outcome of the election.
And we know those missing 500+ votes were not for Rossi HOW? After all, they were WILLINGLY WITHHELD from the plaintiff by the defendant, meaning not just fraud and perjury, but a violation of the Sixth Amendment.
The plaintiffs had the obligation to show that the election had been wrongly decided, and at this they utterly, completely, totally failed.
What we have is a mistrial; when one side withholds evidence - especially when it's the State - that is relevant to the case at hand, then that is grounds for a mistrial.
I would have thought even you would be smart enough to know that because of such ILLEGAL (yes illegal, Sims and co should be charged with fraud and perjury) actions taken by the State the trial is moot; the conclusions reached during the trial should be thrown out and a new trial held.
But no, you're an idiot Slaver who just wants to please his masters... So hold up that party line! I suppose you would have been all for defending Richard Nixon, too, if he was a Slaver. After all, for your class of people it's party first before integrity, law, or the Nation.
HOPE AND CHANGE!
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on April 26, 2009 09:05 AMYou're all Cowards at KCE.
Christine....oh Christine....the voices echoing inside your head. Your 1st term and now your 2nd governing just like you know you were elected...illegitimately.
I feel for you-always the asterisk.
Hey defenders of the theft...Fidel still needs some propping up; can you give us some defense of the plantation known as Cuba?
Also Stalin and Pol Pot were not too cool for their citizens can you cut some lines from the NoTel Motel sticky keyboard about how great they were?
Shark nailed it right on when he pointed out the something like 1 in a hundred million probability that the election could be turned around on the basis of a straight up recount back in November 2004. HA HA cried Christine and Ron.
The great loss was Chris Vance not being able to take it to the streets and create a reformation-rank and file folks will never believe that elections can be stolen. It should have been framed for what it was...your vote was not counted instead of the BORING lawsuit.
Ok Folks in Minnesota...Do you understand that Franken and his henchmen are really evil? They really can steal an election if you let them.
Posted by: Col. Hogan on April 27, 2009 12:17 AMYou're all Cowards at KCE.
Christine....oh Christine....the voices echoing inside your head. Your 1st term and now your 2nd governing just like you know you were elected...illegitimately.
I feel for you-always the asterisk.
Hey defenders of the theft...Fidel still needs some propping up; can you give us some defense of the plantation known as Cuba?
Also Stalin and Pol Pot were not too cool for their citizens can you cut some lines from the NoTel Motel sticky keyboard about how great they were?
Shark nailed it right on when he pointed out the something like 1 in a hundred million probability that the election could be turned around on the basis of a straight up recount back in November 2004. HA HA cried Christine and Ron.
The great loss was Chris Vance not being able to take it to the streets and create a reformation-rank and file folks will never believe that elections can be stolen. It should have been framed for what it was...your vote was not counted instead of the BORING lawsuit.
Ok Folks in Minnesota...Do you understand that Franken and his henchmen are really evil? They really can steal an election if you let them.
Posted by: Col. Hogan on April 27, 2009 12:36 AM