March 21, 2009
Cap & Trade on the Ropes

We've talked about cap & trade running into several roadblocks in Olympia, most recently here. The simple reality is that an unproven regulatory system with a potentially huge (& negative) economic impact would be a tough sell in any year, let alone in the midst of a major recession.

It's clear we here in the Evergreen State are not alone in reaching that conclusion. George Stephanopolous reports (h/t: Hot Air):

As the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post have reported, House Democrats (backed by the White House) plan to write a budget resolution that allows health care to be passed by a simple majority (through the so-called "reconciliation" process) if a bipartisan compromise isn't reached by September.

Cap and trade will not get the same budget protection, and there are nowhere near 60 votes for it. Keeping it out of the reconciliation process recognizes reality: Congress can't pass it in the middle of a recession.

Much like the hesitancy of Democrats with a clear understanding of the situation locally, you won't see many national level D's running out to the cameras to bash cap & trade as impractical and expensive. They want to the issue to go away, with as little uproar from the vocal environmental community as possible.

If Stephanopolous's reporting holds, that means no cap & trade in the near future. Congress very rarely deals with major policy legislation in an election year so 2010 doesn't look very plausible either. Considering cap & trade in 2011 would depend heavily on the state of the economy and the results of the 2010 election themselves. That's a lot of variables, even if Democrats could find enough moderates and centrists within their own ranks willing to move forward with the controversial idea.

Exit question: wouldn't the absence of a cap & trade revenue influx to DC make skyrocketing deficit projections in Obama's budget plan run even higher?

Uh oh.

Posted by Eric Earling at March 21, 2009 01:10 PM | Email This
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1. Steponallofus should know, he is in on the daily morning policy meeting hosted by Podesta.

Posted by: Smokie on March 21, 2009 01:03 PM
2. Every hard working TAX paying American should do what I heard on Beck the other day..file as many tax extentions as possible to delay payment of taxes to Comrade Obama..without penalty one can get 2 extentions which is about 6 months...can you just imagine 100 million people doing this .....well my sick twisted mind can...

Posted by: hellpig on March 21, 2009 01:04 PM
3. Before some anal retentive lib whines it is extensions************ my bad no coffee this morning

Posted by: hellpig on March 21, 2009 01:15 PM
4. Since Obambi's cap and trade notions would add a $1.6 trillion drag on the economy--for absolutely no discernable effect--I would expect that the few sane Dems would be running for cover by now.

More interesting is the Democrat's intention to go nuclear on the filibuster. Since they really cannot expect to hold onto power forever, they must be depending upon the Charlie Brown-like nature to trust Democrats the next time the GOP holds power.

As long as the GOP fails to recognize that Democrats are the real enemy, and an enemy without scruple or honesty, I cannot imagine voting GOP again.

Posted by: iconoclast on March 21, 2009 02:05 PM
5. Exit question: wouldn't the absence of a cap & trade revenue influx to DC make skyrocketing deficit projections in Obama's budget plan run even higher?

Exit answer: The absence of cap & trade legislation would be so encouraging to entrepreneurs throughout the country that their increased economic activity would more than offset the loss of 'revenue' seized by government from carbon users.

After all, the Obamenvironmentalists are so narrow-minded that they're blind to the economic damage that this assault on a carbon-based economy would cause. If you want to see increasing unemployment and skyrocketing prices, impose some ideological gimmick like cap & trade, and gloat while the wheels stop turning. You'll have about one season of flowers and dickey birds before the lack of groceries in stores, and consumer items on shelves, and cars in the dealers, wakes you up to the catastrophe that top-down economic management-by-decree really is. The Soviets found out, but the MSM chooses to forget.

Even the fabulous Europeans are abandoning cap & trade. But then, its main purpose was always to entice the US into adopting it - not because it worked, but because it would damage our economic competitiveness, to their benefit.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on March 21, 2009 02:12 PM
6. Has anyone heard of 'tea parties' in the state?
I think we are not being heard either in Olympia or Wash DC.
I write letters to my senators and either no answer of a canned answer on a different subject.

Time to take back America!

Posted by: BobE on March 21, 2009 02:21 PM
7.
After all, the Obamenvironmentalists are so narrow-minded that they're blind to the economic damage that this assault on a carbon-based economy would cause.

While I believe that incompetence/ignorance is much more likely than actual malevolence, past experience with environnuts leads me to doubt your optimistic assessment.

I think a significant number of them want to damage the US and western economies. Their reasons vary from fantasies about living close to the land to actual malevolence towards the US. But regardless of why they wish such an evil thing, the evidence is that many wish us to be taken down several notches.

Posted by: iconoclast on March 21, 2009 02:22 PM
8. @ #6 BobE here is one site many many more on google

Wa tea party info

Posted by: hellpig on March 21, 2009 02:31 PM
9. The real insanity is that otherwise normal people vote for Democrats because they think they're "saving the environment". Mind you these are people who own big trucks, SUVs, run the heat, A/C, fly on planes, etc... They don't connect the dots, that if they voting in the socialists that their comfy way of life isn't going to continue for much longer. Then they'll be the first ones screaming bloody murder. Let's just say when the reaper comes, I'll have a smile on my face.

Posted by: Crusader on March 21, 2009 02:37 PM
10. #2. The extensions get you more time for the paperwork, but not for paying the $. You have to pay the $ April 15; you estimate it. Penalties will apply for every dollar you pay short and for every day past 4/15.

But being late on the paperwork should mess up the IRS's schedules. We sure don't want the tax collector to be efficient.

Posted by: Ron Hebron on March 21, 2009 02:56 PM
11. Has anyone heard of 'tea parties' in the state?
Heard of???? The very first one was here in Seattle, on February 16. KIRO covered it. And a close second in Seattle on February 27th.

But annual hibernation of the Seattle Times and P-I was in effect at that time, and not a peep leaked out to the innocent public-at-large. It wouldn't do, in a Blue-state town like this, to disturb the sweet repose of lefties and Democrats still savoring the Obama victory.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on March 21, 2009 03:07 PM
12. Obama-nomics. What can you say ? Fortunately, there are some sensible Democrats in Congress who would not vote for Crap and Trade. Let's help their cause by going out to bash it. What good is Cap & Trade if India and China don't adopt it. Another exercise in Obama-nomics.

Tea Parties - I am all for them - keep it going.

Posted by: KS on March 21, 2009 03:15 PM
13. @ 10 you are prolly right I misinterpret things often..it's that over 40 thing creeping in...was a good thought though....I've been a member here for a few years although just started posting regularly...I don't know you Ron but I hope the hip is doin well

Posted by: hellpig on March 21, 2009 03:31 PM
14. Looks like the gun-grabbing plans of the administration have been given notice

The pro-gun Democrats, led by Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder that they would "actively oppose any effort to reinstate the 1994 ban, or to pass any similar law."

They urged the administration to avoid a "long and divisive fight over a gun control issue" at a time when Washington needs to concentrate on the economic crisis.


So not only is the blatantly cynical Cap and Trade in trouble, so are the expected 2nd Amendment encroachments.

Amazing how fast this administration has kneecapped itself. It is almost as if they were dumber than the Bush administration...

Posted by: iconoclast on March 21, 2009 04:11 PM
15. It is almost as if they were dumber than the Bush administration...

What do you mean, 'almost'? President Bush had an administration. President Obama has a gang.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on March 21, 2009 04:22 PM
16. @ 15

Gang, and a loose one at that. For example, Geitner can't fill the positions below him. That should tell us something. No one wants to work for the man!

In the mean time, C&T RIP!

Posted by: Fed Up on March 21, 2009 07:26 PM
17.
I don't know about no one wanting to work for Geithner. I am certain there are plenty of tax cheats who would like to work for one of their own.

Maybe Geithner could offer a deal! Come work for me and I will fix your tax problems. Just a word to Charlie Wrangel and you are golden...

Anyone NOT appalled by the collection of crooks Obama has around him??

Posted by: iconoclast on March 21, 2009 07:53 PM
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