People came out on Presidents' Day in Seattle to protest the 'Porkulus' bill being signed into law tomorrow. You can see my coverage of this protest here.
Posted by byrond at February 16, 2009 09:22 PM | Email ThisWish I could have been there! Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on February 16, 2009 09:53 PM
Posted by: PC on February 16, 2009 10:11 PM
He is lying because no one read the final package before voting on it. How does he know there are no earmarks? In fact, there were special deals in there for both GM and Harley Davidson. Who knows how many other deals are in there, that aren't so blantant.
His attitude is disgusting. That's what is so galling about this whole thing. The Dems are gloating, and seem happier that they can put this together, than to question whether any of it is a good thing. There is a loyal opposition, but you wouldn't know it.
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Posted by: janet s on February 16, 2009 10:54 PMPosted by: Rick D. on February 17, 2009 05:56 AM
Thank god the protesters on the right just hold signs. (-:
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 17, 2009 06:19 AMWhat's the saying? "Large oaks from little acorns grow," or something like that?
Posted by: Hinton on February 17, 2009 07:43 AMBut it would help if the news would pay attention, but I know they won't unless we wreck something.
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Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 17, 2009 08:18 AMTheir response, "it won't happen again" HA!
Posted by: dan on February 17, 2009 08:53 AMI guess the Seattle protest wasn't officially approved MSM speech.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on February 17, 2009 09:28 AMYesterday's rally in Seattle was the first protest in the nation against the Obama administration's economic policies. About 150 people attended. The "porkulus protest" took place "right in the heart of liberal Seattle." For online reports regarding the event, go to the following links:
VIDEO:
KIRO-TV: http://www.kirotv.com/video/18727718/index.html
OTHER ONLINE REPORTS:
Blog of protest organizer: http://redistributingknowledge.blogspot.com/2009/02/so-so-proud-happy-satisfied-tired-riled.html#comments
Seattle Weekly: http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2009/02/protesporkulus_package.php
Michelle Malkin: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/15/taxpayer-revolt-porkulus-protest-in-seattle/
Posted by: Diogenes on February 17, 2009 10:07 AM
Sounds like you're talking about every single protest while that idiot Bush was in office!
Posted by: demo_kid on February 17, 2009 10:27 AMWhere is your Obamessiah now??
Posted by: Tarrick.Twilight on February 17, 2009 12:13 PMI'm certain you meant to say 'particularly in King County'.
After doubling the national debt, now the Republicons were complaining about government spending.
Once again, factless falls back on his tired, ineffective and intellectually lazy defense of "You did it first". I call it the Peewee Herman argument: "I know you are but what am I".
Have you seen the bucks for a mag-lift train from LA to Vegas. Tell me about that bridge again.
The cost is UN-REAL
OMG
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 17, 2009 12:34 PMPosted by: Hinton on February 17, 2009 07:43 AM
*bowing in prayer*
Dear sweet Chuthulu,
Please let this wingnut psycho-political masterbation (ie, "protest") continue & spread into all rhealms of wingnuttery. Encourage them to go with Hinton's "strange exhilaration" ("shivers up their legs" perhaps?). In fact, encourage them to do this on every election day (all day).
True, they are excersizing their constitutional right. But please give them that fire-in-the-belly belief that they are actually accomplishing something
I only add that their protests would be that much more impressive and powerful with gigantic Obama puppets. Perhaps a legion of "winged monkeys"? Heck, maybe instead of sea-turtles, they can all show up dressed in black-face and carrying lawn-jockeys.
These tactics have always been such a blessing for the left-wing causes. The right would be so stupid not to adopt them.
Amen
Posted by: mercifurious on February 17, 2009 12:42 PMI guess the Seattle protest wasn't officially approved MSM speech.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on February 17, 2009 09:28 AM
Further High-larity.
Echos of every lefty protest: Not only is this empty psycho-political masterbation the most important ritual EVER, but the corporation-dominated (sub with: "librul") media won't pay attention.
Keep it coming!
Posted by: mercifurious on February 17, 2009 12:58 PMI guess the Seattle protest wasn't officially approved MSM speech.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on February 17, 2009 09:28 AM
Further High-larity.
Echos of every lefty protest: Not only is this empty psycho-political masterbation the most important ritual EVER, but the corporation-dominated (sub with: "librul") media won't pay attention.
Keep em coming!
Posted by: mercifurious on February 17, 2009 01:01 PMdeepest recession in over 30 years -- maybe the deepest since WWII. (what)
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Any FACTs on that, or just your thoughts.
You may wish to look at the late 1979.
Posted by: Cato on February 17, 2009 01:27 PM
http://www.williampolley.com/blog/archives/2009/02/employment-loss.html
If you have the time, read the entry and get back to me.
Of course, we don't yet know how deep this recession is going, but the current trajectory isn't good. So, I'm glad to see some mitigating action now before we get to the bottom.
Just curious. Which recession in the last 30 years do you think was worse than this one is shaping up to be?
Posted by: scottd on February 17, 2009 01:33 PMThe GOP does not seem to be demonstrating that they have any ideas (new or otherwise) on how to solve the current economic crisis they got us into. No wonder they lost the election.
As one who lived thru it, the end of the Carter days.
Cato, I know at times you act foolish, but the REP did have another bill they put foward.
Stop acting so dumb.
Really? You want to ask that question??
think about everything that is idiotic about your aksing that question.
HINT: worse than this one is shaping up to be.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on February 17, 2009 01:49 PMNice chart. I see that William's website has some who disagree with some of him numbers. (missing info)
I didn't see where William included our much larger population compared to now, 1980's & 1930's.
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 17, 2009 01:55 PMI remember you screaming about the bridge to no-where. So what now, cat got your tongue.
Yeah no pork my tail!
Also, William does take into account population growth because his chart looks at job loss as a percentage of peak employment before each of the recessions in the chart.
Posted by: scottd on February 17, 2009 02:02 PMYour right something needs to be done that for sure. But what I see so far will not help.
You notice they haven't said zip about the freddie or franny problem. Figures )-:
Which the gov helped to cause.
As noted 8 billion for a train to Vegas... nuts!
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 17, 2009 02:18 PMThat has to be the dumbest statement ever to be made by one of you jokers. I have a feeling that even your conservative comrades-in-arms could educate you about that...
Posted by: demo_kid on February 17, 2009 02:33 PMI guess now only drooling idiots protest the miracles of the chosen one.
Do you people even hear yourself talk?
Posted by: dan on February 17, 2009 02:35 PMAs far as these events go, it was good size given that about three-quarters of the people there weren't your professional paid rent-a-mob.
Posted by: Don Ward on February 17, 2009 03:00 PMStupidity is not. Unless the GOP had a better bill or had an alternative plan to get us out of Dubya's Recession they're just being useful idiots.
Maybe we can get the honorable Sen. Phil Gramm to write the "Help America Escape from the Mental Recession Act of 2009". I personally would look forward to seeing that. =P
as I reported, there were about 200 people there at the height of the demonstration
How many of those we're people like Eric, unemployed (unemployable?) and living off the Govt. dole? I'd imagine quite a few. Besides, I've seen Pro-PLO Rallies down there with more people than that.
Now Don, how many of those we're counter-protesters? Are you including the "Your going to Hell" folks who stand on the corner all day in your count? What about the crazy guy who shouts about the Communist Devil Seattle Police?
Stupidity is not. "
You must be referring to the "stupidity" in Congress that voted for a bill they didn't read and the clown that signed it into law without reading it either.
Posted by: Rick D. on February 17, 2009 03:50 PMTwo hundred people showed up to the protest. As I reported.
There were no, count them zero, official counter protestors. Just one liberal who was passing by, who showed his National Socialist upbringing. Up to one-fourth may have been your professional political type, trying to latch on to the event in order to pedal initiatives, recruit Libertarian or Ron Paul/Campaign for Liberty followers.
The rest were just average people.
It was quite different from your average rent-a-mob liberal protest in the fact that the numbers weren't artificially inflated by professional protestors who are paid to attend every sign waving.
As someone who was there, I don't like reading lies (Cato) being spread by someone who wasn't. And you weren't. Now stop polluting the thread, because you don't matter.
Posted by: Don Ward on February 17, 2009 04:33 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01MNZBTt4K4
Posted by: PC on February 17, 2009 04:35 PMI'm referring to the people who are still crying about the bill that passed without making any effort to propose something different. When you guys actually have some ideas of how to fix the economy Pork Free (like all the GOP budgets, right?) I'm willing to listen.
Meanwhile companies are loosing money and people are loosing their jobs & homes. I'm all ears as to the GOP solution to the problem (more tax breaks for the rich?).
an off-the-nut anonymous troll who doesn't even have the balls to use his own name
You chose to respond, I'm just asking questions. What's the matter can't handle a dissenting viewpoint?
The rest were just average people.
So let's do the math, 1/4 of 200 = 50. Subtract the nutballs and you get 150 real people actually showed up to a protest, certainly not a lot of people by any count. That's like what .02% of Seattle's population? The other 99.98% must be the silent majority who support the President. =)
professional protestors who are paid to attend every sign waving.
I believe those are called union members. =)
Now stop polluting the thread, because you don't matter.
To quote Dan...DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC! You going to ban me now because I upset your poor fragile ego? The GOP loves the 1st Amendment till someone disagrees with them. =P
Thank you Herr Minister of Truth, Don Ward.
Any other sources for total numbers? Oh that's right, you are the prime authority on number inflation. Any deflation of numbers is due to them librul media hacks, right? (right?)
There were no, count them zero, official counter protestors. Just one liberal who was passing by, who showed his National Socialist upbringing.
So go protest that guy next week. Advertise here. Remember: Your psycho-political masterbation really makes a difference!
The rest were just average people.
...And their hijacked children. But hey, it's okay when WE do it.
It was quite different from your average rent-a-mob liberal protest in the fact that the numbers weren't artificially inflated by professional protestors who are paid to attend every sign waving.
You are absolutely right, and thank you for spotting the difference: this was your average rent-a-mob (see: Freeper) conservative protest and the numbers are being artificially inflated by you (Herr Minister of Truth, Don Ward)
As someone who was there, I don't like reading lies (Cato) being spread by someone who wasn't. And you weren't. Now stop polluting the thread, because you don't matter.
Yes, nevermind the squeeky little man behind the curtain, for I am the great Don Ward - Monopolizer of all evidence and truth!
Now watch as Don puts the "incorrect news" into the memory hole and replaces it with the SP official version.
Posted by: mercifurious on February 17, 2009 05:07 PMThere is fairly large veranda on the second/third floor overlooking the entire square (and then some). Why didn't you just run up there and take a picture of the Neo-Hooverette gathering?
That way: No questioning of "official reports". Here's the photo, just count the heads.
Posted by: mercifurious on February 17, 2009 05:21 PMA couple hundred of us showed up downtown in the middle of a city that is 80% liberal to voice our displeasure at this bill. Hardly an event worthy of the amount of leftist wrath seen here.
You can't make up the kind of junk leftists spew even in the full flush of victory:
"Remember: Your psycho-political masterbation really makes a difference!"
I've gotten to the point where I don't bother to read a post if it comes from "facts", cato, or mercifurious among others.
In the meantime a wonderful young friend and former co-worker, his life full of promise, was gunned down in the Central District early Monday morning. He was only 26.
It struck me that Obama could use some of his energy addressing the horror of the thug culture in our inner cities that is destroying young lives. That would be real hope and change all of us could believe in.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on February 17, 2009 05:39 PM
A couple hundred sounds exaggerated compared to the count Don gave us. You inflating Don's estimate? So Bill do you actually live within the Seattle city limits or did they bus you in from your boring suburban dwelling?
I've gotten to the point where I don't bother to read a post if it comes from "facts", cato, or mercifurious among others.
Yet you feel the need to reply to my posts. Gotta love the hypocrisy.
In the meantime a wonderful young friend and former co-worker, his life full of promise, was gunned down in the Central District early Monday morning. He was only 26.
Not the first or the last person to be gunned down in the CD. Where is your love for the other 7 folks who were shot down in the CD over the last year? I don't see you giving a damn about them. I thought you were one of those libertarian types who prefer the law & order over things like community centers. Now according to CentralDistrictNews.com there have been 4 shooting deaths (including your co-worker) in the CD since the police station opened on 23rd and Union.
it struck me that Obama could use some of his energy addressing the horror of the thug culture in our inner cities that is destroying young lives.
You crack me up Bill, one hand you call him a socialist, the other hand he's a role model for inner-city black youth. You really want inner-city youth to have "socialist" role models? Considering how much scorn you have for the Che t-shirt crowd that's really surprising coming from you. =P
A couple hundred sounds exaggerated compared to the count Don gave us. ~ Cato
"Meanwhile companies are loosing money and people are loosing their jobs & homes. I'm all ears as to the GOP solution to the problem."
Apparently, bringing back the WASL would be a start...
Link: http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html
Only a hypocrite like ricky D. goes on and on about tax cheats and then says nothing when "certain brainless" republicans turn out to cheat. Oh, by the way how is that unwed teenager doing - you know - the one with the mother that promotes abstinance but the teenager says it doesn't work.
hahaha - Ricky d. - you pathetic fool. Caught on your own petard.
Posted by: correctnotright on February 18, 2009 07:56 AMOnce again, Medic vet is misinformed, wrong and just plain (or Palin) stupid. There is 8 billion for high speed rail lines total- and Arlen Spector kept it in the stimulus package - but nowhere in the bill does it say it is for a LA to Las Vegas line.
"But some conservatives have decided to portray this as Reid sneaking a special "high speed rail to Las Vegas" provision into the stimulus package. There is no such provision and he did no such thing. The United States has many metropolitan areas and no true high-speed rail corridors. Consequently there are a lot of plausible city pairs and corridors that could benefit from these measures. My guess would be that the folks best-positioned to take advantage of this would be in California where they've already got the HSR ball rolling. Pennsylvania also has an actively ongoing initiative to upgrade service to Pittsburgh and Ed Rendell puts a high priority on this sort of thing and Arlen Specter was a pivotal Senator in pulling the deal together, so they might benefit."
When you are wrong as often as Medic Vet - either you are stupid or you are deliberately misleading - which is it?
Oh, and the republican alternative to the democratic bill - yeah, the one that forgot to get rid of the AMT - it was so ill-conceived it actually raised taxes on over 30 million Americans - I guess that is what republicans call a stimulus. Face it - the republicans had no viable plan and are incompetent fools and naysayers - as epitomized by the fool Medic Vet.
My god you fool.. do you ever read the whole thing or just jump at the first line.
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Gov. Sarah Palin must pay income taxes on thousands of dollars in expense money she received while living at her Wasilla home, under a new determination by state officials
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UNDER A NEW determination by state officals.
So that doesn't make her a tax cheat.
Do you even understand what NEW means???
So how many people who work for Obama are REAL TAX CHEATS.
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 18, 2009 09:18 AMFrom the news service which Reid now say's he did say. Go figure.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D914R5LG1&show_article=1
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 18, 2009 09:28 AMThis is life in the Progressive Utopia. Smart people just live elsewhere and let Seattle do as it will. If Seattle does enough damage to itself, some of the far lefties will wake up and realize they got what they wished for, and it wasn't pretty. Until then, don't contribute your good money to a failure in progress.
Posted by: Jeff B. on February 18, 2009 11:31 AMActually it does because the tax existed, she just choose not to follow it.
So how many people who work for Obama are REAL TAX CHEATS.
I thought we moved beyond the 'oh you did it first' mantra earlier in this thread. How nice to see M/V revert to childish tactics to defend his intellectually ineffectual candidate of choice.
So what is Timothy Geithner's excuse, stupes? Turbo Tax Tim and the rest of the Obama tax cheats on his staff tried to get away with it. The guy only came clean when he was discovered.
How nice to see M/V revert to childish tactics to defend his intellectually ineffectual candidate of choice.
Wow, cato whining that someone resorts to "childish tactics".....now that is hilarious. Pot! meet kettle!
READ what is say's ( UNDER A NEW determination by state officals)
Can you even grasp the word NEW! LOL
Jezzzz
Posted by: Medic/Vet on February 18, 2009 12:39 PMMaybe you failed to read the whole thing too!
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At the Governor's request, we reviewed the situation to determine whether we were in full compliance with the pertinent Internal Revenue Service regulations," Kreitzer wrote. "As a result of this review, we determined that per diem needs to be treated as income, requiring a revision of W-2 forms for any affected employees."
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WOW Palin requested this... WELL I be.
Yeah that's some tax cheat! Unlike the rest of Obama's staff.
He only discovered it after the fact, much like Caribou Barbie. Technically they're both tax cheats. =)
Kreitzer wrote
I see, now Pailn has her Gov. appointed shills trying to cover for her mistakes. It's Troopergate all over again. =P
Riiight. The IMF was very clear on what it was reimbursing Geithner for, yet I'm sure it just 'slipped his mind' to accurately reflect this on his tax forms. The two cases are apples and oranges- Palin's was a gray area of what category per diem fell under, the other where a guy in charge of the treasury attempted to defraud the Government. Clear as crystal to any sane person, which excludes wide swaths of the left.
As Medic/Vet asked: What part of "under a NEW determination by state officials" is so confusing to liberals?
Posted by: Rick D. on February 18, 2009 02:31 PMIf only Cato held his Messiah to even half the standard he holds others to.
Posted by: swatter on February 18, 2009 02:49 PMMessage to the "in over his head" President: Quit bailing stupid people out of their poor life choices.
Posted by: Rick D. on February 18, 2009 04:23 PM
What I do know is they contribute nothing worth remembering to these threads.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on February 18, 2009 04:26 PMThere are others with my real name who I am protecting. Very responsible he is.
Posted by: swatter on February 18, 2009 04:43 PM
"Nice cartoon poster for "Socialism". Someone should draw one for "Republicanism", which the fellow with the money bag would be pointing the gun at the head at the person who doesn't have the money. "
Someone should draw one for Richard Pope, which the crooked lawyer would be lunging at peopel in a crazed state.
Posted by: pbj on February 18, 2009 09:55 PM"I'm referring to the people who are still crying about the bill that passed without making any effort to propose something different."
The Republicans DID propose something different you MORON. The gestapo shot it down.
Posted by: pbj on February 18, 2009 09:58 PMHow about a link, I'd be more inclined to believe you if you had proof. Let me guess the GOP solution was more tax cuts for the rich?
Why? Yu will just make up another LIE like you did claiming Bristol gave birth to Trig Palin.
Here is the link:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/house-rejects-republican-alternative-stimulus-bill/
Ooooh but that that is Fox News, they are a right wing nutjob place...
Here is one from the Commie News Network:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/03/stimulus/
"A group of Republican senators has drafted an alternative stimulus measure that narrows government spending to bolstering infrastructure and helping unemployed Americans, addresses the housing crisis and relies mostly on tax cuts."
Um no. The rich already get their tax cut as they pay no taxes, see Democrats Rangle, Daschle and the current Obama appointed head of the IRS.
The tax cuts are for the working Americans that have to pay for the wasteful programs forced upon them by the Demcorats (aka the rich) who pay no taxes.
Posted by: pbj on February 19, 2009 12:45 PM