October 27, 2008
Interesting Results from the Washington Poll

A statewide poll done through the University of Washington (results available via PowerPoint at this site) declares Barack Obama ahead of John McCain 55% - 34% and Christine Gregoire ahead of Dino Rossi 51% - 45%.

Depressingly, the poll samples 600 registered voters rather than likely voters, even though the poll was mere weeks from Election Day and as most voters have ballots in hand.

Here's the interesting part: in 2000, Al Gore beat George W. Bush 50.2% to 44.6% (with Nader scooping up another 4.1%) in the Evergreen State. In 2004, the margin was 52.8% for John Kerry to Bush's 45.6%.

This blogger is the first to admit John McCain will likely under-perform Bush's numbers from 2004 on November 4th. Yet, the Washington Poll says McCain is losing by over double the margin by which Gore and Nader's combined totals beat Bush in 2000.

Is that likely? No. The poll, complete with its questionable sample of registered voters, appears to significantly over-sample Democrats.

Rossi thus being that close, despite the handicap of the poll's construction,
provides yet another indication that we have another obnoxiously tight election on our hands.

Footnote: so to does this from Sunday's Joni Balter column:

Rossi's private pollster and Gregoire's pollster both say the race is very close but won't say which candidate has the advantage.

Can you say "coin flip"?

Posted by Eric Earling at October 27, 2008 08:17 PM | Email This
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The only good thing you can say is that we live in Loontopia -- and hopefully real Americans have come to their senses and will vote McCain.

Posted by: John Bailo on October 27, 2008 08:09 PM
2. I have a hard time beleiving only a couple percent of republicans are not voting for McCain. Even the most hard core McCain supporter at my work (this guy liked McCain from day 1 in the primaries!) has said he has decided not to vote for mccain because of the bailout.

Posted by: Lysander on October 27, 2008 08:11 PM
3. I agree with John. Stop Socialism! Vote McCain!

Posted by: Robert on October 27, 2008 08:16 PM
4. Rememeber 2004????

A month out Rossi was down by 10
A week out Rossi was down by 2
Then the Election Eve poll came out, Rossi up by 6

Keep the Faith!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Glenno on October 27, 2008 08:25 PM
5. These dufus pollsters will have a rude awakening in at least one instance. Their ulterior motive is Republican voter suppression by presenting the skewed polls. I think someone once said; Polls, schmolls...

Posted by: KS on October 27, 2008 08:27 PM
6. Not only does the "dufus" pollsters seek to supress GOP voying....so does main street madia!

Posted by: Robert on October 27, 2008 08:33 PM
7. Lysander = another moby.

Posted by: Crusader on October 27, 2008 08:36 PM
8. Voting for a Republican Presidential candidate in Washington has a very slim chance of being counted in far away DC since our Electors are almost certain to be Obama's.

There's still the soft warm fuzzy feeling of voting ones conscience though.

Posted by: deadwood on October 27, 2008 08:41 PM
9. One thing about being a Republican is that I wish libs could tell me just why am I evil? They call me all sorts of names(racist, sexist, anti-poor, etc...) but never back it up with real evidence. They feel as though all they need to do is shout loud enough, and since they've successfully brainwashed the college kids it's all over. Remember Orwell's "1984"? Remember the weekly 2-minute hate? Well it's already arrived, just not officially state sponsored. Yet.

Posted by: Crusader on October 27, 2008 08:49 PM
10. Redistribution of Wealth ... a huge Obama mistake. Watch the polls tighten.

Posted by: John McDonald on October 27, 2008 09:22 PM
11. We Americans seem to generate bubbles of all sorts. There was the tech bubble. There was the real estate bubble. Now, there is the Obama bubble.

The Obama bubble will pop. It would be sad if it did not pop until after November 4th. Because if Obama gets elected, we are in for an extension of the stock market crash for the next 4 to 8 years. Not to mention every radical ideological concept being implemented at the expense of liberty.

Posted by: bananaland on October 27, 2008 09:52 PM
12. University polls tend to have a fairly mixed legacy. The Washington Poll is actually conducted by a small group out of Renton. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Small-time pollsters have little track record, especially ones that mostly deal with marketing.

The results seem to me a tad on the Democratic side. Obama could certainly double Kerry's 2004 margin -- after all, the nation has shifted the seven points that would require. But tripling it seems a little unlikely.

My guess on the RV vs. LV thing is that smaller pollsters tend to dislike the idea of venturing a Likely Voter methodology. They're afraid it may end up discluding voters, especially in a state like Washington where almost everyone gets a mail ballot, and consequently voter turnout will be exceptionally high among "unlikely voters."

After all, the LV test is typically whether someone voted in the prior presidential election -- but since then, many former poll voters have forcibly been converted to mail voters, which arguably makes them more likely to vote.

But I'm rambling :)

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on October 27, 2008 10:16 PM
13. @2 I love when people use anecdotal evidence to try to prove a point. I could just as easily say I have a hard time believing so many Democrats are voting for Barry. A guy at work, long time Dem and African-American, says he's not voting for Barry because of the bailout, and Barry heavily benefitted from Fan/Fred. He also said he can't vote for Barry because he only half black. So,that proves the polls are faulty.

Posted by: Dave on October 28, 2008 06:14 AM
14. Eric, I can't say "coin flip" but I can say "the 25,000 felons who were mailed ballots makes a Gregoire victory in a tight race illegitimate."

What do you want to bet that they will "find" more ballots in King County again?

Posted by: blindman on October 28, 2008 07:48 AM
15. Party preference from the Washington Poll in 2008: Democrat 35%, Republican 27%, Independent 36%

Who ever said they were oversampling Democrats is a complete idiot. Survey USA had GOP at only 24% and another poll had GOP at 25% so looks like the UW poll may have oversampled Republicans.

Posted by: evergreen on October 28, 2008 09:03 AM
16. #15: I guess I always think of Independents as people who want to be Republicans but don't like all the extremist Conservative Socialism. We saw that in the primaries where "Social Conservative" after Social Conservative was shot down until they came up with the guy who is the ultimate Independent, McCain.

The only reason Obama has even survived this far is by abandoning everything he ever said or stood for, and by jettisoning all his original friends to try and recast himself as a middle of the road guy (har har har, the jokes on you).


Posted by: John Bailo on October 28, 2008 02:49 PM
17. Christine Gregoire is a joke. The 75 year old is really pathetic and will lose. No more re-counts. It will be Gov. Rossi. After she is gone, her and Obama can out spend each other in D.C. They should take the 1300 unregistered sex offenders with them. So long Gergorire your four years in this state should never have happened. One of the worst governors in the state's history.

Posted by: John Verceitti on October 28, 2008 03:14 PM
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