October 12, 2008
Ah, Liberal Tolerance - UPDATED

Something about the warm embrace of free speech demonstrated below reminds me of the morons who came out of the woodwork on Capitol Hill during Seattle's WTO fiasco to oppose police officers with the gall to try and disperse unlawful protesters who had taken their fun-time games up the hill after being driven from downtown.

UPDATE: while the media earnestly report this, they ignore this.


Posted by Eric Earling at October 12, 2008 09:49 AM | Email This
1. That video is full of inane captions expressing mock outrage and obviously false "facts".

Of course New Yorkers don't want to destroy our country, but many genuinely believe (as I do) that the Bush administration has done far more damage to our country than Al Qaeda. (I'm talking about effect, not intent; Al Qaeda wants to destroy our country while Bush means well, sort of.)

And the line about Republicans not being tolerated in New York? Um, did you notice that New York has a Republican mayor? Of course, he's a thoughtful, tolerant Republican, so perhaps you don't count him?

Posted by: Bruce on October 12, 2008 10:15 AM
2. It was interesting to see Heather Wilson talked over endlessly by a Democrat on Blitzer's show today. He allowed it. If your ideas are not winners, I guess you just make sure no one else's can be heard.

Similarly to the idea that unity is acheived by suppression of dissent as the film suggests is the liberals notions of reform. Reform is always abondonment of Conservative values never control over corruption in Democratic administrations. Obama the so called reformer never saw anything in the Daley Democratic Chicago machine that needed reform; nor did he see anything in the corrupt soon to be indicted Rod Blagoevich Democratic Administration of Illinois State government. In the liberal world liberals are never held to any account. In the conservative world corrupt members get bounced from the inside.

Posted by: KW64 on October 12, 2008 10:19 AM
3. slavery kid will defend this.

Posted by: Crusader on October 12, 2008 11:04 AM
4. @1

You're absolutely right Bruce. Clearly all these New Yorkers (and yourself) don't agree with these "inane captions" and "false facts" so there's really no reason to allow them to express themselves. Sheesh, it's not as if the 1st amendment was intended to support dissenting or unpopular political speech or anything silly like that.

Posted by: jopalm on October 12, 2008 11:08 AM
5. Bruce says "Um, did you notice that New York has a Republican mayor?"

Ha, Ha, that's a good one Bruce. Bloomberg is a Democrat, who changed his party affiliation to Republican ONLY to be able to run for mayor. He has now changed his affiliation to "Independent". He has certainly never governed as a "Republican". Get real.

Posted by: Bill H on October 12, 2008 11:48 AM
6. Well for people like Bruce. It's see it their way or NO way.

Stalin would be so proud.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 12, 2008 11:57 AM
7. I am so glad that liberals love abortion. We
seem to have too many liberals as it is. Eventually, the problem should work itself out, however, it may be too late. They think Bush is at fault for the current financial meltdown when in fact it is failed liberal policies. It is amazing to see how many cannot grasp the truth.

Posted by: mark on October 12, 2008 12:00 PM
8. It's funny, I sent my kids to a pricey private middle school. Naturally it was full of Bush Derangement Syndrome "progressives". While the school was the right one for my kids, it was particularly important that I teach them to think for themselves, and to see alternate points of view. I was talking to "the boy" a couple of weeks ago about the ideology he ran into at his school. He understood what was going on.

"They wanted to create this perfect society, and everybody had to want the same thing they did."

BTW, this was not a case of religious fundamentalism vs. secular progressiveness. We are a humanist household where our kids really are taught to examine all cultural assumptions with suspicion.


Posted by: Hairy Buddah on October 12, 2008 12:11 PM
9. WOW Hairy... I thought the 1970's left us a long time ago. Perfect world. LOL (-:

Don't we all wish, but bad people will do bad things!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 12, 2008 12:19 PM
10. Subject: The Plan

A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.

B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.

C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.

D. In three generations, there will be no Democratic Party

I love it when a plan comes together

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 12, 2008 12:20 PM
11. WOW get this. More tolerance in Calif.

October 11, 2008
Contact: Chip White/Sonja Eddings Brown, 916-215-4392
SAN FRANCISCO, October 11 - In the same week that the No on 8 campaign launched an ad that labeled as "lies" claims that same-sex marriage would be taught in schools to young children, a first grade class took a school-sponsored trip to a gay wedding. Eighteen first graders traveled to San Francisco City Hall Friday for the wedding of their teacher and her lesbian partner, The San Francisco Chronicle reported. The school sponsored the trip for the students, ages 5 and 6, taking them away from their studies for the same-sex wedding. According to the Yes on 8 campaign, the public school field trip demonstrates that the California Supreme Court's decision to legal same-sex marriage has real consequences.

"Taking children out of school for a same-sex wedding is not customary education.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 12, 2008 12:24 PM
12. Rags, as I've said I've always enjoyed your posts and I hope now at this point you realize that we're going to have an Obama administration. I pray that it will be a successful one. We still have a 'good' possibility for new Governor tho, as I see more weakness in the Dems in this area.
Or, do you think there is still an ultimate October surprise (favoring McCain) in the works?

Posted by: Duffman on October 12, 2008 12:26 PM
13. Mark, unfortuately you are correct. People look at crises and learn the wrong lessons. The same thing happened in the 1930's. Huge mistakes were made that led to the crash in 1929 and into the Great Depression--increasing taxes, raising interest rates and passing protectionist legislation (Smoot-Hawley) were chief among them.

However Roosevelt made the situation much worse and prolonged the Depression all the way until WWII started.

He sent tax rates to the roof. He even proposed a 100% tax rate on incomes above $25,000 for individuals and above $50,000 for families (and signed an Executive Order to implement it when it was not passed)--but even Democrats wouldn't go for that, so they limited it to 90%. This was in 1942--see, even then Democrats thought paying higher taxes was "patriotic".

He also gave us the ridiculous farm programs that are still in place today--paying farmers not to farm. And creating work projects that encouraged people to NOT finish projects because they got paid as long as the project continued. And paying 50% above the world price for silver--encouraging a whole new industry in smuggling silver in from Mexico.

He also tried to usurp the Legislative branch by increasing the tax rate to 100% BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. And he tried to usurp the Judicial branch by trying to pack the Supreme Court--he tried to increase the size of the Court from 9 to 15, so that, naturally, he could appoint 6 members himself.

And what did all of this "New Deal" do for the economy? There were more people unemployed in 1939 (9.5 million) than there were in 1931 (8.0 million) and the unemployment rate in 1939 was 17.2% vs 16.3% in 1931. Sound like more of a Raw Deal than a New Deal.

Even Henry Morgenthau, Roosevelt's long-time friend and his Treasury Secretary wrote: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong...somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job, I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises...I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...And an enormous debt to boot!"

Let us hope we don't have to endure more problems by continuing to learn the wrong lessons...

Posted by: Bill H on October 12, 2008 12:31 PM
14. For the few who have forgotten. Today is 8 years after the USS COLE was blown up and Clinton did zip.

My God protect the ones we lost.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 12, 2008 12:37 PM
15. Bruce,

Bloomberg ran as a "Republican", but officially changed to Independent.

Of course, Obama is a Socialist. After all, he ran as a Socialist Party candidate, and has never publicly renounced his affiliation...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 12, 2008 01:15 PM
16. "Something about the warm embrace of free speech demonstrated below reminds me of the morons who came out of the woodwork on Capitol Hill during Seattle's WTO fiasco to oppose police officers with the gall to try and disperse unlawful protesters who had taken their fun-time games up the hill after being driven from downtown."

I protested on "N30" (Tuesday, 30 November 1999), then went up to my home on Capitol Hill, then to a nice restaurant on Pike St. The police drove the few criminals amongst us up Capitol Hill from downtown, when any prior planning would've put "Paddy wagons" on the freeway overpasses. Instead, the police and miscreants had a whole new set of storefronts to damage. We "opposed police officers" who drove the miscreants INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, instead of keeping the action confined to downtown. Of course, if the police hadn't attacked the marchers downtown, maybe this property damage might not have occurred in the first place.

BTW, the famous image of a riot-gear-clad officer kicking a man in the crotch? That fellow was out doing his laundry. F'n subversive, he got what he deserved!

Posted by: tensor on October 12, 2008 02:07 PM
17. bruce
how about the McCain/Palin sign set on fire in portland last night that from the tolerant left.take a look at michelle malkin its up on her page photos so you won't have to read about it just look at the photos of the tolerant left.if osama was white we would be running against hrc.

Posted by: jtm371 on October 12, 2008 02:25 PM
18. Yep, Malkin nails the utter moral bankruptness of the screeching, obscene Left. But the msm ignores these acts of obscenity in its various forms from the left. But let a few republicans get angry---without the obscenity-ridden visual aids, etc---and suddenly the have a problem? Note to liberals: In case you haven't noticed, the msm slants Left. bigtime.

Posted by: Michele on October 12, 2008 02:42 PM
19. ...and re the video: The "Loving Left" strikes again!

Posted by: Michele on October 12, 2008 02:45 PM
20. ..and hope I never meet the positively misogynistic male who created that Palin getting her teeth knocked out drawing. I thought the Left believed themselves to be "tolerant"? In fact, they are THE most intolerant group out there!

Posted by: Michele on October 12, 2008 02:48 PM
21. Re 12. The country is evenly split with just a few "independant/undecided" voters who WILL decide the election. As we saw with chrissy 133, it's the single reason all this ACORN fraud is important: Why 3 Votes Matter.

Yes, the opinion polls are pointing towards Obambi, but opinion polls in presidential elections of 1936, 1948, 1968, 1976, 1980, 1988, 1992, 2000 and 2004 ALL were wrong.

I think you are too heavily discounting the voices of middle America, NOT middle class America, but the heartland folks. They are smart enough to realize that a liberal president combined with a liberal congress equals a dangerous totalitarian condition. Those same heartland people are the ones whose ancestors fled TO America to escape that totalitarianism. They, and I, haven't forgotten those memories relayed to us by our grandparents.

Should we get Obambi, we will survive, but it will be far uglier than the Carter years.

Expect much higher unemployment to go with his much higher taxes.

The left has often whined about "jobs going overseas" but then fail to acknlowledge that the onerous taxes THEY put on businesses is what sent them overseas. While the US has the 2nd highest corporate taxes in the world, countries like China are giving incentives to bring business there. The rest of the world has learned that lesson and yet Obambi and his comrades want to raise corporate taxes.

Those promised taxes WILL put companies out of business which WILL lead to more unemployment which, in turn, will lead the do something liberals to re-expand welfare, which WILL lead to more government spending... getting that actions/consequences picture yet?

The left is giddy about the chance to finally implement socialized medicine, but again they refuse to recognize the absolute failure of it (and the beginnings of its abandonment) in the rest of the world.

As for myself, I'm doing what a lot of my friends and family are doing: protecting myself and my money.. by moving it now, by taking it out of the system.

And in doing so, our half of the electorate that obambi still has to govern is showing a complete lack if faith in HIM.

As far as an October surprise? I don't know. With the economic woes, little has been mentioned about the further successes in Iraq OR the recent US embassy bombings by terrorists. One liberal writer suggested that a terror attack is the only thing that can stop obambi. That cost is too high.

BUT at the same time I will reiterate what I've said before: one of the stated goals of the 9/11 terrorists was to bring us to our knees financially. Obambi now sneers at Bush telling us to go shop, but it wasn't the action of shopping that was important, it was the message to the terrorists that we won't cower to them. We know from their own words that some terror organizations have been cheerleading for Obambi, that for whatever reason they see an agreeable kindred spirit and/or they are not afraid of him. With our current economic problems, with an Obambi presidency, we will be ripe for another attack from those unafraid of him. The question won't be what city, it will be how many. The liberals will call that fear mongering. I call it realistic fears based on history, facts and direct quotations.

I think his judgements about his continued associations with domestic terrorists and hate-mongers will get more noise, as will the ACORN fraud and again that questioable association. Rezko just made a deal with prosecutors so that's heating up again. Obambi is lucky there is a willing media ready to provide cover for him by OMISSION of the stories.

I know I'm doing my part to make sure everyone I know hears about all this daily. I'm making sure I show them a complete volume of articles about fraud and vandalism and ugliness perpetrated in the name of Obama.

What really terrifies me, duffman, is that so many liberals want Obama to win ONLY in order to stick it to conservatives. You can see that gloating subtext from some that post here and most that post on the lefty sites. I truly fear their game of one-upmanship is more important than their country, that the lens they are viewing their candidate, their party is distorted by their hatred of conservatism stoked by their hatred of all Bush, all the time, that they are not thinking about consequences down the road but only about the immediate gratification of a win over their perceived enemies.

Pretty damned sad state of affairs.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 12, 2008 02:50 PM
22. wingnut mathews
go to michelle malkin and tell me about the tolerant left.don't worry you don't have to read just look at the pictures

Posted by: jtm371 on October 12, 2008 03:57 PM
23. @24: Absurd. No one can deny that both parties have their wingnut fringe. The issue here is a very specific one: you have people at Republican rallies yelling to kill Obama and repeating complete falsehoods about him, and both McCain and Palin have been stirring the pot.

And while Malkin may have an interesting cast of characters up on their website, it tends to stray into the absurd. People stealing election signs? Throwing cream pies? Slashing tires? If you seriously think that Republicans are any better, you're a damn fool.

Posted by: demo kid on October 12, 2008 04:17 PM
24. Comrade Commisar Mathews is just salivating at the chance that the U.S. could become a fully socialist nation, fulfilling his wet dream of living in the Soviet Union...hell he's probably got a list of people he'd send to the Gulag.

Posted by: John on October 12, 2008 04:26 PM
25. demo kid
just humor me go look.where was the uproar when we have the kill Bush shirts or signs i guess that's okay.look up hypocrite and you see liberal,progressive,and demoCRAT.you wingnutz are all the same two face POS.

Posted by: jtm371 on October 12, 2008 04:27 PM
26. "I will send all of the Palinistas to the gulag."

Ha Ha! Good luck with that--they have all of the guns...AND know how to use them!

Posted by: Bill H on October 12, 2008 06:52 PM
27. @26: just humor me go look.where was the uproar when we have the kill Bush shirts or signs i guess that's okay

How about the uproar when Jesse Helms told Bill Clinton that "North Carolina couldn't guarantee his safety"? Guess that was okay...

Posted by: demo kid on October 12, 2008 10:13 PM
28. #24: dk, where were the news reports of democrats slashing tires on busses waiting to take people to vote? Oh yah, there weren't any, because republicans didn't do that to democrats.

Posted by: Michele on October 12, 2008 11:11 PM
29. @30: dk, where were the news reports of democrats slashing tires on busses waiting to take people to vote? Oh yah, there weren't any, because republicans didn't do that to democrats.

Why slash tires to keep people from voting when you can just take them off the rolls before they get to the ballot box?

Why slash tires when you can just give the wrong date for Election Day?

Why slash tires when you can just keep people from parking in your lot?

Why slash tires when spray painting an office will do?

Thinking that Republicans are paragons of virtue is so wrong, it's laughable. Unlike you though, I'm aware that Democrats AND Republicans do nasty things at times.

Posted by: demo kid on October 12, 2008 11:49 PM
30. Portland Fire and Rescue investigators said the two men made a Molotov cocktail and threw it at the sign in the 7900 block of Southeast 17th Avenue.

Molotov cocktail.

Ahhh... those peace loving tolerant lefties....

Shades of domestic terrorism, ehO-bomb-ers ayers and dohrn?

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 13, 2008 12:05 AM
31. "...the morons who came out of the woodwork on Capitol Hill during Seattle's WTO fiasco to oppose police officers."

Eric, I'm really curious. Were you anywhere near downtown Seattle or Capitol Hill on that day, or are you appointing yourself an expert, based entirely on what you saw whilst sitting on your butt in front of a television? You wouldn't be the first TV-fed ignoramus to get all of this wrong, I assure you.

Posted by: tensor on October 13, 2008 12:18 AM
32. "I am so glad that liberals love abortion. We
seem to have too many liberals as it is. Eventually, the problem should work itself out, however, it may be too late."

Well, let's see: the 'red' states have higher divorce rates than the 'blue' states, despite the former always appointing themselves as the paragons of 'family values'. Any bets on the abortion rates? Perhaps the 'red' states will soon abort themselves out of existence? It would be better than us in the 'blue' states always sending them our tax dollars, after all.

Posted by: tensor on October 13, 2008 12:23 AM
33. A great glimpse into the world of liberal fascism.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 13, 2008 06:22 AM
34. Just a note for readers; David Mathews has also advocated the extinction of the human race so as to preserve the planet.

He also lives, I believe, in Florida. He's quite a few degrees off of plumb as is glaringly apparent.

Like many leftist loonies he's almost beside himself with joy at the economic downturn.

Bet anything he was one of the nuts who predicted global chaos over Y2K.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on October 13, 2008 09:01 AM
35. Warning:

If you have anything of value I suggest you take action to secure it because an Obama government will consider it theirs and will be coming for it. In order to exist in an Obama government my advice is to:

Convert liquid assets to cash and stash a portion of it in a crawl-space/basement strongbox or safe. Gold and silver are a plus.

Purchase guns and stash them with plenty of ammo.

Prepare for reinstatement of the "Fairness Doctrine". Real news sources will become scarce.

If you live in a city, move NOW. If you cannot move, identify rural friends and an escape route to their home.

Keep your doors and windows locked and your cars garaged, if possible.

Bond with like minded neighbors, as you may need each other. Don't trust anyone you don't know very well.

Grow a garden if you have the space.

Learn to live with less.

Teach your family (children especially) to avoid confrontation with unstable people, such as the nutcase New Yorkers shown in the video clip.

Do not call attention to yourself by stating conservative opinions in public or posting Republican campaign signs.

Purchase and retain a supply of non-perishable food. Keep multiple gallons of bottled water on hand.

Learn to barter and trade.

Read your Bible before they take it.

Pray for the safety of your family and for America.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 13, 2008 09:14 AM
36. @39: Wow... so is this the conservative form of Bush Derangement Syndrome? Are you going to start driving around in a Ford Falcon XB Coupe in the Australian Outback, too?

How much of a nutjob can you actually be?

Posted by: demo kid on October 13, 2008 10:54 AM
37. Dumb-o Child:

I'd look in the mirror before I referred to someone else as a "nutjob". I've been reading your leftist rantings for months now, and after all, aren't you the one voting for the empty-suited socialist?

So you had better put the bong down, Sonny, and get off to school or you'll be late for your Communist Theory class.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 13, 2008 11:40 AM
38. #39...Back in my misspent youth I lived for a time in a rural area with people who were planning to homestead in the Canadian Territories. They were convinced we were headed for economic disaster and chaos. I disagreed but they wouldn't listen to me. This was in 1973.

Be of good cheer. We survived Jimmy Carter and we'll survive Barack Obama should he become President.

Don't be like the leftist loons who still believe that Bush will declare martial law and cancel the elections.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on October 13, 2008 11:41 AM
39. Bill @ 42,

39 was intended as advice, but with a degree of tongue in cheek. I'm not paranoid, but I have read 20th Century European history.

And Carter was bad, but Obama would be a disaster.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 13, 2008 11:57 AM
40. Obama would likely be disastrous. However, the left would finally make their inevitable, fatal mistake. Showing the country who they really are.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on October 13, 2008 02:07 PM
41. From the tone of the Bush/Republican Deranged progressive trolls, I would bet that at least some of those who went over the top at McCain/Palin rallies over the weekend were actually Obama leftists, who knew that the media would blame it on the far right because of the rhetoric, when the radical left made it up to help their cause in any way they could.

I could envision soulless sickos like No Facts or David Matthews pulling this kind of scheme. (If either of you respond to this, i know that both of you are lacking in reading comprehension because your brain cells are too far gone because of your meth habit). The truth hurts extremists, who now have an extremist candidate in a moderate liberal disguise to support for POTUS.

Posted by: KS on October 13, 2008 07:25 PM
42. See the video below at how Sen. Obama really is when harrassed by hecklers;


You might be surprised...

Posted by: KS on October 13, 2008 07:39 PM
43. Lot of booing, lot of middle fingers, someone was shouting "more war, more war", and yet no one was assaulted for their beliefs, everyone seemed to be engaging in free speech, and no one called anyone a terrorist, or even suggested that the Presidential candidate was a traitor.

Now try this in Russia/China and you'd be taken away and never heard from again. In NY you just get a lot of jeers. Tolerance and free speech seem to be alive and well even in the liberal leaning NYC.

Posted by: Cato on October 14, 2008 11:17 AM
44. Cato,

I'll bring you photos of the daily protests against the Government, over here in China. You might be surprised. It's actually legal and lawful to protest the Government, you just need to get your permit for the space, first (which is based on first-come, first-served).

Now, if you Marxists had your way, free speech in the US would be shut down (see the Fairness Doctrine), and dissent would not be tolerated at all. Beyond the modern China...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 14, 2008 04:42 PM
45. Eric, you still haven't revealed the "source" of your "information" about Capitol Hill. You didn't quote anyone, you didn't post a link, and while you might actually be one of those guys stepping smartly from Club Z at odd hours, you certainly don't know anything about what happened to us residents of Capitol Hill that week.

Look, I know the impending electoral doom of the right-wing movement has you all flustered and such, but simply making up nasty stuff about people who didn't like having their streets turned into an urban war zone really Sounds Desperate -- even here.

Posted by: tensor on October 14, 2008 10:23 PM
46. "...you certainly don't know anything about what happened to us residents of Capitol Hill that week." ~ Tensor

I know from friends who worked there, that the Group Health facility (including their Urgent Care/Emergency) on Capitol Hill was put on complete lockdown because of unruly ignoranmuses running through the corridors creating a nuisance and security risk to patients waiting to be triaged and treated. If you wouldn't describe shutting down a health care facility as "tak[ing] their fun-time games up the hill after being driven from downtown", then I'd be interested how you would describe it, Tensor.

Personally, I was in Southern Florida on vacation at the time and the people I was at dinner with that first night were asking me "what the hell is wrong with the people up there in Seattle, anyway?". I mostly blamed the anarchists that had come up from Eugene, but given what I've seen since, I'd say there were plenty of the unwashed Seattle denizenry that were just as culpable as the out-of-towners.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 15, 2008 06:36 AM
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