October 06, 2008
Because of Obama...

... I'm inspired to post about the creepy personality cult that he seems to inspire.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 06, 2008 10:26 PM | Email This
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1. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you, if Obama is elected: Obama's "Hitler" youth--complete with arm motions and everything!

Posted by: Michele on October 6, 2008 10:24 PM
2. This video and the teacher behind it are more an indictment of the American inner city than of candidate Obama.

Imagine living in a place where this type of cult would be accepted activity in a school.

I read at Drudge that the teacher was fired only after the video was released to the internet. Since I find it really hard to believe that school officials would not be aware that this was going on in the school, I can only conclude it was video release not the activity that was a problem.

Posted by: deadwood on October 6, 2008 10:26 PM
3. What's particularly sad is these stupid, sheep kids, these wannabe architects, lawyers, doctors, engineers will be haunted with this video the rest of their lives.

Sorry dudes, YES YOU WILL.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 10:44 PM
4. Speaking of "creepy personality cult", I'd like to give a SHOUT OUT about a recently discovered very rare video of davey matthews, demo-kid and the obfusCATOr...with a guest appearance by tensor.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 10:49 PM
5. our new civilian security force.....yahoo....

what are you sheeple thinking....supporting this fascist?....

are there no regular Scoop Jackson democrats anymore or is that just passe'?....

no patriots?....

Posted by: lee on October 6, 2008 10:57 PM
6. What's far creepier is the indoctrination of kids that is so common on the left, and seems to be very couture for Obama supporters these days. You can go to YouTube and see all manner of children being videotaped as they sing and parrot their parents' political views concerning Obama.

I think it was a propaganda video for Cantwell in 2006 that featured Goldy's kid.

It's really disgusting that these people can't allow their young children to be children for that brief portion of their lives where they don't need to be aware of politics, life's difficulties, sex education, etc.

See Bidinotto's post here for many examples of these creepy Lefty child indoctrination videos.

My young kids don't even know anything about McCain or Obama, and would not recognize them if shown pictures. And that's as it should be.

Imagine these creepy lefties giving their little toddlers Obama pep talks, and telling them how Obama is going to make everything all better, etc. As if they needed to hear from Mom and Dad that everything is all wrong, which it is not. Gee that's really good parenting. It's enough to make one want to hurl.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 6, 2008 11:01 PM
7. and of course, keeping with youtubes march to suppress any obama video casting him in a negative light, they pull it....

but not so fast......everyone has it and everyone is going to show it....just like the rest of the crap he is spouting....including the trip to Kenya where he tried to aid the Muslim candidate who wanted to enact sharia law there....

sheeple....sheeple...sheeple.....

Posted by: lee on October 6, 2008 11:06 PM
8. ah yes, lee, Raila Odinga---the guy (and apparently Obama's cousin or second cousin) leading the butchering and raping of people in Kenya who won't vote for him! And Obama supports this guy! The word needs to get out to americans about this yet another sordid association of Obama's (O apparently visited him in 2006)

And what about obama's friend, Al Monsoor--who helped Obama get into Harvard, and tells blacks to "rip off the flesh of white people--God wants you to do that". Creepy! Word also needs to get out to the american people about him, too!

Posted by: Michele` on October 6, 2008 11:15 PM
9. Sad, really sad.
Without Obama they wouldn't aspire to be an architect or what have you. It's as if they're surrendering themselves to the notion they had nothing before wing-nut became the nominee.
But hey, where's the camo pants young republican bunch that says things like 'Because of John McCain, I'm going to the Hanoi Hilton for shoulder alignment'
Or girls in a march saying 'Because of Sarah Palin, I'm going to field dress a moose and eat it's liver'

Posted by: PC on October 6, 2008 11:23 PM
10. So, I wonder... don't you think this is EXACTLY what bHo's bomber buddy has in mind when he talks "school reform"?

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 11:33 PM
11. That looks like the opening of a Fat Boys video.

Sort of like this

Posted by: John Bailo on October 6, 2008 11:51 PM
12. Welcome to the Black version of Hitler Youth.

Posted by: pbj on October 7, 2008 03:38 AM
13. What? no replies yet from demokid, Davey Matthews or cato? They must be out buying their fatigues.

Only 1 or 2 of these clowns in the video would actually get through military boot camp.
...in addition to the creepy cult of personality idolization of Obummer, this video highlights a child obesity problem we have in this Nation.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 7, 2008 04:46 AM
14. Stefan

Tsk,tsk are you as silly as Palin?

How about MC's membership in a sixties radical right group?

I think those who throw mud have nothing worthwhile to say.

Posted by: SeattleJew on October 7, 2008 06:42 AM
15.
Given the current polling data, it's certainly understandable that the right is desperate to change the topic. But with our nation mired in two wars, neither of which is going very well, and facing a global economy teetering on the brink of collapse, do you really think this little band of inner city kids has anything to do with who should be the next president?

I have to admit the kids' behavior is pretty weird, yeah, even a little creepy. But they are just kids and this isn't in any way connected to the Obama campaign. I was even more creeped out by the video of Sarah Palin standing in her church being "blessed" by a bunch of Bible thumping wackos who believe in witchcraft. Palin really is part of the McCain campaign and implicitly endorses this nonsense.

Go figure.

Posted by: Unkl Witz on October 7, 2008 07:03 AM
16. So why are they dressed in Combat pants instead of slacks?

Is this what Obama and his handlers have in store for America.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 07:10 AM
17. Unkl, I agree that this vetting should have occurred months ago. Right now, it has the effect of being sour grapes due to the polls giving it up for the ONE (though it may be tightening again).

However, you get this video and then you get news today that Barry's good buddy, Odinga, had Corsi captured and held (probably till the election) because he dared go over to Kenya to do 'research' on Odinga and Obama.

Folks, this is scary.

Then, the market drops on Monday due to Obama pushing for universal health care yesterday.

Folks, this is scary.

I showed this video to my Obama apologist cubbymate. His original thought was it was a right wing conspiracy, but after watching, he was silent the rest of the day. Oh, since clients aren't paying me, I also informed him I didn't know how long he had a job.

Posted by: swatter on October 7, 2008 07:13 AM
18. Hey Uncle Wizzy. The Palin witch craft was debunked weeks ago.
But as always, your late for the party.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 07:14 AM
19. #15, Let's see, I guess that means the Hitler Youth weren't connected to Hitler!

Posted by: Petegoud on October 7, 2008 07:17 AM
20. SeattleScrew @14 Are you referring to the US Navy? Viet Cong? Or are you fabricating a strawman? formermoonbats want to know.

Posted by: formermoonbat on October 7, 2008 07:19 AM
21. If anyone has the exact quote from comments McCain made on Obama's strategy of obfuscation and lies, I haven't been able to find them. He uses the infamous Goebbels quote about the use of lies in propaganda to describe what the Obama campaign is doing in its pursuit of the presidency. I have been searching everywhere this morning for the McCain quote. I head it at about 5:20am as a part of the Fox News updates on KVI 570. Please email me at bmyrick@bryanmyrick.net if anyone has a source for the quote.

Posted by: TheSenator2012 on October 7, 2008 07:21 AM
22. If anyone has the exact quote from comments McCain made on Obama's strategy of obfuscation and lies, I haven't been able to find them. He uses the infamous Goebbels quote about the use of lies in propaganda to describe what the Obama campaign is doing in its pursuit of the presidency. I have been searching everywhere this morning for the McCain quote. I head it at about 5:20am as a part of the Fox News updates on KVI 570. Please email me at bmyrick@bryanmyrick.net if anyone has a source for the quote.

Posted by: TheSenator2012 on October 7, 2008 07:22 AM
23. Is it too late to choose Romney?

Posted by: Andy on October 7, 2008 07:28 AM
24. Remember when Carter was elected President(I hate to admit I voted for him) it was also about change. Look what happened to this country under his great leadership. High Inflation, High Unemployment. High Gas Prices (and the Democrats where not trying to block drilling then but he was a Democrat President). Overall He is a perfect example of economic plans of the Democrats.
Now you go to Obama. I here Change. Everyone assumes he will be good for the economy. The people who caused the original bailout needed for Mortgages make the solution. But they never fixed the problem. They let the core problem continue. People given homes they can not afford to make the payments on.
I heard on the radio a commercial you can get a home loan for as little as 3% down. Or lower interest rates.
Please note Democrats caused the current problem. Some Republicans raised the alarm but if you are accused of Racism because you see some problems. Republicans often do not have the guts to face those accusers down. ANd say it is not racism not to sell a home where 50 or 60 % of the salary is necessary to make the house payment. How are they going to live. WHy would I want to make anyone setup to fail. It is affordability not racism. But the race card was played and Republicans folded everytime. Even 6 months ago these sames democrats claimed Fannie mae and Freddy Mac are sound.
You blame the regulator the Secretary of State. Well the Democrats in 2003/4 said they need to regulate the regulator as a threat to keep him from looking to hard.
Plus liberals ran those enities to the ground to get as much money in their pocket. And Guess what Obama was part of this problem. But it will not be investigated. He got a lot of contributions from them. for being in the Senate for such a short period of time.

This video is just showing the brainwashing our schools do to support Democrats. Even my daughter who lives with her mom says Because I am a Republican I am a murderer of the enviroment. ANd when I try to point out the science facts to a 13 year old she says I lie like all Republicans. It is happening in many of the schools in this nation. We need to get the schools back to teaching and self analysist of issues. INstead of blindly follow the teacher.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on October 7, 2008 07:36 AM
25. Andy.

It doesn't matter who Mccain picked. If he doesn't fight back with all of the problems Obama has, he'll lose!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 07:40 AM
26. WOW, David. You voted for Carter. 0-:
I was never a Ford fan but gezzz Carter.

Yet your right. Carter & Obama have so much n common.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 07:46 AM
27. If you combine BHO's a capella marching band with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zZKEtoPpM you just know it wasn't only Barak living in the fog during his youth.

Posted by: PC on October 7, 2008 08:01 AM
28. All: We have a responsibilty also. We must continue talking to our: classmates, co-workers, associates et al.. We must go to the polls in November and vote for McCain. I don't agree with McCain about quite a few things but he is a world of difference from his excellency the holy Obamameister. In the 1930's the "Educated" Germans voted Hitler in unanimously. He was for "Change" also. My point is that education does not equal a moral people. The Germans were the most educated society one could hope for. So wake up people. Question the main stream media and vote for the sake a your childern and the kind of America they will live in. It's down to two world views here now... a "Socialist world view" or "Freedom as outlined by the founding fathers through the U.S. Constitution".

Posted by: TruePatriot on October 7, 2008 08:04 AM
29. Barak seems to have the fairness doctrine already in place at Kenya. Wow, that's experience in foreign policy.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77268

Posted by: PC on October 7, 2008 08:27 AM
30. That's the difference between liberals and normal people. They celebrate the cult of personality while normal people celebrate the country they live in.

Posted by: Thomas B. on October 7, 2008 08:31 AM
31. My suspicion is that if the D's take over in this election, this will be the last free election in US history. Freedom of speech will be abridged, one sided election fraud will be condoned and expanded.

I think there is plenty of reason to suspect that. And there have been demonstrations of the principle here in WA.

Bfr

Posted by: bfr on October 7, 2008 08:34 AM
32. #21 and 22,

here is where I saw the clip you're asking about

http://getdrunkandvote4mccain.com/

Posted by: dan on October 7, 2008 08:37 AM
33. The Fact that Obama's "character" brings this side out of people in videos like this and others where they are singing to the One is what is really creepy. His "character" is dangerous because from a video like this it is a small step to unleashing a violent rage across the land.

His Change is Unexplained but the fruit is obvious in videos like this.

So Unkl, SeattleJ, Demokid, Cato, Headless L, et al. careful be real careful what you wish for.

BTW Unkl, SeattleJ, Demokid, Cato, Headless L, et al. What would be your response to a McCain Brigade marching in just like this? Come on Imagine...dream..take a breath and type type type like the wind!!!

Posted by: Col. Hogan on October 7, 2008 08:40 AM
34. bfr @31
This is how most communist countries are formed... through the cult of personality and destruction of individual freedom. Look at Korea, China, and the USSR. All lead by cults of personality. I would equate the obama movement to the maoist movement in China. Get ready for the cultural revolution. I'm surprised that liberals aren't carrying around little red books yet. I'm sure it's coming since liberals don't have the intellect to figure out what is going on.

Posted by: Thomas B. on October 7, 2008 08:46 AM
35. @34: BTW Unkl, SeattleJ, Demokid, Cato, Headless L, et al. What would be your response to a McCain Brigade marching in just like this? Come on Imagine...dream..take a breath and type type type like the wind!!!

If it were put out by people close to the campaign, then sure I'd find it creepy and worrisome. But then again, you had a candidate in 2000 and 2004 that pretty much got into office because "God told him what to do". A fan video isn't worth a whole hill of beans in that comparison.

And, of course, I find Republican nutjobs that desecrate the American flag by wearing it as a jumpsuit to be far worse than this.

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 09:19 AM
36. another Carter voter here...just once though....and McGovern before that.....during the first Reagan years I finally saw the light....

this is NOT the democrat party of my mother and father....this is not the democrat party of Scoop Jackson or John Kennedy or Truman....its not the party of the common people...its the party of the George Soros's and the Barbra Streisland and the Bill Gates and the Franklin Haines and any special interest that wants more power....

If these fascists get elected by fraud or whatever other means, I predict we will have massive repression and no elections...

that means we will be in civil war of some kind..

Posted by: lee on October 7, 2008 09:28 AM
37. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77268

Obama has been supporting a Muslim take-over of Kenya. The current President was actually defeated in the free elections, but thanks to Obama and Kenyan Prime Minister Riala Odinga's Muslim connections, he was 'declared' the winner under threat of violence. OBAMA SUPPORTS THIS PRO-MUSLIM TYRANT who has been less than forthcoming about his support for Sharia Law, which will turn Kenya into a brand new MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALIST STATE! With Obama's blessing, this guy has threatened ethnic violence and promised his Muslim supporters he's 'their guy' when he wins. Well, he won - with a lot of money and support from BARACK OBAMA. Odinga now is trying to silence the World Net Daily's reporter Jerome Corsi on this, and has actually detained him in Kenya! I wonder if Barack Obama will 'allow' Corsi to be released. See where this is headed? 'President Obama in bed with Muslim dictator of Kenya'? Maybe not the 51st state, but I'm sure Obama will be bringing Kenyan's here by the thousands to become part of his loyal 'civil militia' supported with YOUR tax dollars.

Tell me Obama isn't a closet Muslim. Go ahead. I'll call you a LIAR! HERE IS THE PROOF! Obama is the biggest fraud EVER in US Politics. He is lying about his connections to terrorist William Ayers, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6955197866782469963&ei=wYzrSO_HNqfYqAPoi82NCw&q=William+Ayers&vt=lf&hl=enhe's lying about his loyalty to Rev. Jeramiah Wright, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk and he's lying about his support for US Muslim extremist Louis Farrakhan; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxNeGOXSoA.

Now he promises to bring Kenyan-style politics to the USA. Disagree with Obama, end up in JAIL! It's coming folks - MARK MY WORDS. Obama will crush dissent. First chance he gets, he's going to kill conservative talk radio. Good-by Rush, Hannity, Savage, Engraham, Lavin, EVERYONE. GONE!

The Lamestream Media has silenced all criticism of Obama, and hidden the truth from the American People. NBC is TOTALLY in the Obama camp, and continues to attack anyone and everyone who raises questions about Obama's ties to these extremists! It's absolutely incredible. I didn't think it was possible in the United States of America that this kind of fraud could be perpetrated on the public, but I was wrong. The Keith Olbermans and Chris Matthews' of the industry have so far - successfully hidden the TRUTH about Obama from the public while ridiculing, distorting, and unfairly criticizing McCain/Palin.

I now believe our Democracy has slipped away from us. The far left in this country has so indoctrinated our children for so many years to think like liberals, we are no longer capable of free thought and objectivism. Good-by America. You were once a great place. I don't know what the future holds for us.

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 09:33 AM
38. The video Shark posted is but the tip of Obama the communist revolutionary's iceberg. An enormous amount of preparation was required to get to the black cadre phase the video shows. That preparation was done through espionage against our nation...and you and me.

Obama, Ayers, Wright, ACORNholes, etc., are, and have been, engaged in espionage against the United States of America and are, ipso facto, considered illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been spies, saboteurs, and espionage agents. The penalties have been indeterminate prison sentences or death.

Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped by exercising our God-given right of self-defense.


Posted by: The Pirate on October 7, 2008 09:33 AM
39. #34, I think a better model would be countries like Post-Yugoslav Serbia, Zimbabwe, etc, where a (nominally) democratic system was subverted by "demonstrations" by paramilitary groups, intimidation and party control of the press, and politicisation of the civil service and judiciary.

It looks like we actually are some distance down the process. Look at the wierd court decisions we've seen here in WA, campaigns of politically motivated leaks from the CIA, etc.

If it only gets as bad as Nigeria or Kenya, the result would be terrible, but the experience in other places suggests that it would be far worse.

Posted by: bfr on October 7, 2008 09:35 AM
40. More revisionism, dumbo? We actually had a candidate that got into office because your side pretty much chose to run a couple of empty-headed idiots... not unlike now, come to think of it.

Posted by: Hinton on October 7, 2008 09:37 AM
41. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

Here is another clip you must listen to. It is audio only.

Posted by: JDH on October 7, 2008 09:40 AM
42. As opposed to Reagan's creepy personality cult? You know the one where the Republican Party had a debate in the Reagan Library where they each tried to "I am more Reagan than you" each other.

Now that's creepy!

Posted by: Cato on October 7, 2008 09:46 AM
43. Did Palin open a door to criticism of McCain's relationships with a former Viet Cong terrorist? Queen of diamonds?

Posted by: Acid Brain on October 7, 2008 09:49 AM
44. I've been censored :P

Posted by: Dingo Rossi on October 7, 2008 10:00 AM
45. JDH:

Great link!

They all agreed that Sarah Palin was an excellent pick for Obama's VP - Hilarious!?!

I wonder if the tables were turned whether McCain supporters would be as accepting of Biden?

Posted by: deadwood on October 7, 2008 10:14 AM
46. Goggle this name( Kathy Boudin) A good friend of Ayers.

Shocking that this person is on the streets.

Obama can you give us any answers on this mess.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 10:34 AM
47. 43. Acid.

I looked at your website. Yet when I googled his name I could not find anything like what you have posted.

This was what most of them said.

Born on November 23, 1922, in the southern Mekong Delta, Kiet served as prime minister from 1991 until he stepped down to be replaced by his former deputy Phan Van Khai in September 1997.

In his term as premier, and as the most senior southerner in the ruling Communist Party and government, Kiet was a leader in the Southeast Asian country's market-oriented economic reforms in the late 1980s and 1990s which started to replace a failed Soviet-style system.

(Reporting by Grant McCool; Editing by Jerry Norton)

You need to do a tad more searching.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 10:45 AM
48. Actually, Pacto, creepy is where you left wing fringers act like lemmings and support a clueless, lying, flip-flopping, empty-suited, anti-American racist bigot for president.

Since you brought it up.

Posted by: Hinton on October 7, 2008 10:51 AM
49. #41, Says it all doesn't it. And they blast where we bitter clingers get our information from.

Posted by: PC on October 7, 2008 10:55 AM
50. What worries me is that even when confronted with the truth, liberals continue to defend, ignore, or promote Obama and his agenda. Truth doesn't matter to them.
We're embarking on a dark journey in this country and the world. The "Dark Ages" (no pun intended) of modern times is upon us. Once American freedom is gone, the world is gone. It will take lots of blood, famine, death, and suffering to get back to anything resembling what we had. Nobody alive now will ever get to experience what we had the last 100 years again. It will look more like the USSR of the 20's-50's or worse. Hell on earth.
Obama is not going to bring us together. He has NEVER shown ANY interest in the affairs of any group other than blacks. Check it out. He hasn't given to any other charities but black ones. He hasn't taught anything any of his classes other than the black angle on things such as law. His Black Theology church teaches Jesus was put on earth by God only to bring up the black race.
I'm not trying to be racist when I say white people should be worried. The future Obama's America is going to try and reverse any and all percieved injustices done by white European Americans. Obama isn't just going to move on. He's going to go back and dredge up the past and "make it right". That is what his church is about, that is why he's running for President. that has been his life-long goal. He will dismantle America and re-build it according to black theology. The signs are out there. Just look at them...connect the dots.

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 11:22 AM
51. Scott @50,

Well said, but an Obama overthrow of Western civilization isn't inevitable. See #38, above. Obama and his thugs are Outlaws who are subject to the law. Just spreading that word will clarify the course of action for many people, and mobilize them. As usual, it will require some effort from all of us to protect our nation, but I'm sure you're up to it. It's worth it. Words work.

Posted by: The Pirate on October 7, 2008 11:47 AM
52. @50: What worries me is that even when confronted with the truth, liberals continue to defend, ignore, or promote Obama and his agenda.

And to believe that this doesn't apply to McCain is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

Truth doesn't matter to them.

Nor to you.

We're embarking on a dark journey in this country and the world. The "Dark Ages" (no pun intended) of modern times is upon us. Once American freedom is gone, the world is gone. It will take lots of blood, famine, death, and suffering to get back to anything resembling what we had. Nobody alive now will ever get to experience what we had the last 100 years again. It will look more like the USSR of the 20's-50's or worse. Hell on earth.

Dogs and cats, living together...

Sorry.

Your statements are amusing. Simply amusing. To think that a Republican administration would be a glowing ray of hope and a Democratic administration would set us on a path to hell is absurd.

My belief that a McCain presidency would tear the country apart is rooted in the idea that for eight years, one half of the country hasn't been represented in the president's office. If you were to get a Republican into the office for another four years, especially after a campaign has whipped up their supporters' emotions, you're going to get a tremendous backlash, the likes of which you have never seen.

Blabber all you want about your extreme right-wing sensibilities being offended by a non-white person in the office. The greater danger is for half the country telling a "President" McCain to go and shove his country and his supporters. That kind of disengagement with this economic situation would be catastrophic.

Obama is not going to bring us together. He has NEVER shown ANY interest in the affairs of any group other than blacks. Check it out. He hasn't given to any other charities but black ones. He hasn't taught anything any of his classes other than the black angle on things such as law. His Black Theology church teaches Jesus was put on earth by God only to bring up the black race.

Wrong. A completely unsubstantiated lie.

I'm not trying to be racist when I say white people should be worried.

You may not be trying hard, but you are a racist.

The future Obama's America is going to try and reverse any and all percieved injustices done by white European Americans. Obama isn't just going to move on. He's going to go back and dredge up the past and "make it right". That is what his church is about, that is why he's running for President. that has been his life-long goal. He will dismantle America and re-build it according to black theology. The signs are out there. Just look at them...connect the dots.

For paranoid, xenophobic racists like you, yes... the "dots" are there. For normal people, you're a crazed lunatic.

Go back to ranting on a street corner.

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 11:51 AM
53. OOOOO-No.

Demo kid. Don't look at this. LOL

ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
By OSKAR GARCIA - 1 hour ago

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Nevada state authorities are raiding the Las Vegas headquarters of an organization that works to get low-income people to vote.

A Nevada secretary of state's office spokesman said Tuesday that investigators are looking for evidence of voter fraud at the office of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

No one was at the ACORN office when state agents arrived with a search warrant and began carting records and documents away.

Secretary of State spokesman Bob Walsh says ACORN is accused of submitting multiple voter registrations with false and duplicate names.

The raid comes two months after state and federal authorities formed a task force to pursue election-fraud allegations in Nevada.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 12:00 PM
54. Obama will have no mercy on this land unlike that given to him.
You can see it in his supporters postings here such as those by Demo Kid and Cato. No answers to the questions just the sharpening of the hatchets. Rage, Pounding Emotion no real words. No Logic. Hidden thoughts. Change Good Fact Bad.

Good Luck.

Either way we know the left will riot just like Odinga's supporters did. Lose they burn the towns. Win they begin to kill whitey.

Congrats to Jerome Corsi - Barrack Obama's first Political Prisoner.

"Anyone, Anyone got water for Headless over here she has fainted at the thought of McCain." Like everything else the complete disregard of the BHO campaign and facts is wholly dangerous and no your massacre will not succeed.

Posted by: Col. Hogan on October 7, 2008 12:02 PM
55. Demo kid

He has NEVER shown ANY interest in the affairs of any group other than blacks.
So Demo you say this is a lie.
*******************************

Shall we bring up the homes that Obama helped Rezco get money to fixed for the poor. But was not fixed, and now many of these places are no longer liveable. No heat, broken roofs, broken out windows etc. So he really cares?
Odd way of showing it.

Take the blinders off

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 12:41 PM
56. ArmyMed...isn't Acorn a group made up of community organizers?

Posted by: PC on October 7, 2008 12:43 PM
57. isn't Acorn a group made up of community organizers?

In fact, one of their former community organizers is now running for President

Posted by: Mike H on October 7, 2008 12:51 PM
58. Taste We Can Believe In

Posted by: Obi-Wan on October 7, 2008 01:01 PM
59. MORE bad new from Ohio.

Yet Demokid says. Hey nothing going on here.

Can you say RICO.
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Organizations like The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) have also faced charges of fraud in their efforts to drive voter turnout during the election.

Twenty-seven thousand registrations handled by the group from January to July 2008 "went into limbo because they were incomplete, inaccurate, or fraudulent," Perry said, claiming the group recently came under investigation for allegedly registering deceased individuals in certain states.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 01:09 PM
60. Obummer could care less about his half brother making 10 dollars a month living in some grass hut half the world away......so why would anyone think he gives a squat about you or your family here in the states?
Cato, Demokid, David Mathews et al sure have O.D'ed on the marxist kool-aid packets over the past year if they think he gives a damn about them and their families well being.

At least Mama Obama wears her angry racist attitudes on her sleeve while Barry Obummer has half the country fooled into thinking he isn't just as acerbic in his inner soul as she is in her outer soul.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 7, 2008 01:09 PM
61. I could reply individually, but I'm just enjoying the whining from conservatives that know that they're going to lose. :) The jig is up, Americans know that Republicans are cowardly flim-flam artists, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Unless, of course, you indulge in mean-spirited, racist attacks, like it seems Palin is wallowing in right now. I should have expected as much from dishonorable, dishonest folks like yourselves...

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 01:13 PM
62. So as I thought demo-fool. You said over & over that ACORN wasn't doing anything wrong.

Well for a week now I have showing you more and more proof. Yet the chicken you are. You stop talking about it.

Yep your a kid alright! LOL

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 01:28 PM
63. WHo is racist when you bring up facts. Has the definition of Racism changed again. Please tell me when the Dictionary changed. If telling facts about someone is a racist action boy are we in trouble. That means you can scream racism instead of answering the questions.
I have found that that when Obama screams Racist attacks we are getting close to the real truth.
When are we going to see his birth certificate. Obama has yet to prove he is a US Citizen. Obama has said many times he is a world Citizen. Not a US Citizen. So I have a concern. SPinning stories, lies and not showing proof means maybe there is truth to the fact he may not be a citizen. ALl it takes is showing a little piece of paper. ANd he has not done so and this question has been around for over a year.
I guess I am a racist because I believe that the Laws of our Constitution should be followed. WHich requires a US Citizen who is naturally born. The other side I heard the story that Obama visited Pakistan with a Malaysia Passport. (Sorry for the missspelling) at the age of 20. So what country is he a citizen of? Please Demo Kid you have all the answers show me what country is he a citizen of. I want proof. Written proof. So far I have seen nothing that proves your God Obama is a naturally born citizen of the US. The one Requirement that must be followed to be President of the United States.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on October 7, 2008 01:40 PM
64. Because of this mortgage blowup at least one positive has come of it. We now know what a "community" organizer is when we didn't know before.

And it ain't good. No wonder Obama hid and deceived the Democrats on his way to the nomination. More than one Democrat wishes it had been Hillary. Too late to go back. I tell them I am voting for the other Democrat- McCain.

Posted by: swatter on October 7, 2008 01:44 PM
65. LOL,
Swatter speaking of that, where is Duffman? (-:

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 7, 2008 01:47 PM
66. #53: Again, with the ACORN fraud. They do this over and over and over. And Obama is their biggest fan. Yet, nothing is said about his extremely close connections to this group of fraudsters. And democrats are in complete denial about this democrat (oh, you think ACORN is trying to get these people to vote republican? yah, right...) vote fraud.

Posted by: Michele on October 7, 2008 01:47 PM
67. Well if his inspiration came from Ayers, Farrakhan and Reverend Wright would you expect any less of his sheep followers!

Posted by: gs on October 7, 2008 02:13 PM
68. Demo Kid, you are a racist, crazed lunatic. You are the one ignoring facts. Not McCain supporters. You are the one's who set out after your boy Algore lost to Bush, to destroy the Bush Presidency at all costs. YOU stinking liberals put party before country. Your precious Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama and John Kerry have gone overseas and undercut OUR PRESIDENT on foreign policy. They should all be brought up on treason charges.
Due to the Democrats turning against our President for the sake of an election, you and your kind have caused the deaths of MOST of the 4000 troops killed in Iraq. Had we all stuck with the President the Iraq war would have been OVER by now and Al Qaeda would be no more. But no, your DEMOCRAT party would rather cause the United States to be diminished on the world stage, have us LOSE the war, and have our political system forever polarized. Nice job! It worked. Thanks to YOU LIBERALS Russia is now on the rebound, Iran is pushing it's nuclear agenda, North Korea is going back on it's word to dismantle it's nuclear program, and we have a budding new "Cuba" in Venezuela, complete with Russian support.
Obama is NOTHING. He's accomplished zilch. He has in part created the current financial crisis with his association with William Ayers and ACORN. He and Ayers are responsible for many of the bad loans banks made to unqualified borrowers. They created the network of ACORN activists who went to banks and threatened them with "racist" labels if they didn't comply.
It's so easy for you isn't it DemoPUNK? Any time you are LOSING an argument just pull out the "racist" label. YOU ARE A PUNK! You can't debate because there is no rational or logical basis for your arguements. You can call me a liar, that's easy. PROVE IT. Show me where I'm wrong! Show me that Obama didn't do what I've said he did. Show me ONE non-black charity he gave to, or any non-black activity at all he has been engaged in. It should be EASY since you are so cock sure I'm a racist for bringing it up. I showed proof he did those things.

EVERY channel including CNN is starting to say Obama and Ayers were "more than acquaintences". The trickle is turning into a steady flow, which will turn into a torrent, which will turn into a flood. Not YOU or any other apologist for Obama and his Marxist/Socialist agenda can stop it.

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 02:20 PM
69. Village of the Obamatots

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 7, 2008 02:21 PM
70. I saw a video yesterday of Odinga's thugs chasing Kenyans who won't support him and beating them and raping some of the women. Obama supports this!

Posted by: Michele on October 7, 2008 02:22 PM
71. I used to love this site. Still read it for Earling's posts. Your coverage of the governor's race is very good, and you do a good job boosting for Rossi. I'll vote for him and I hope he wins.

But -- site admins -- look at some of the stuff people have posted on this thread. I mean, no one should be censored -- let your freak flag fly and all that -- but good lord.

Look at Scott's or David's rants. These posts drag the whole site down. And yea, I could waste the next twenty minutes trying to refute them, line by line...but I shouldn't need to. Nearly every single one of his assertions can, and should, be refuted by anyone, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, who comment here.

And DemoKid -- I know you probably can't resist, but all these folks are doing are hanging out, waiting to respond to your posts with this crap. It pollutes the site. Don't contribute to these flame wars.

November 5th cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: Zeeb on October 7, 2008 03:01 PM
72.
Again, with Obama blowing open huge leads in both state and national polls, it's no surprise the SP fans want to talk about politics in Kenya and what a bunch of kids are doing in Chicago. Fortunately, most of the rest of us have a few more pressing topics of discussion, like how to deal with an economy in free fall and two disastrous wars.

Posted by: Unkl Witz on October 7, 2008 03:08 PM
73. Unkl Witz @72:

Good point about pressing issues. Does anyone here have a finance or mortgage background? I heard an idea floated by some banks to rework some of the home loan agreements and allow for drastically reduced monthly payments for folks facing potential foreclosure. How feasible are those agreements to work out? (I imagine they couldn't be that straightforward, since banks would rather refinance/restructure than take the keys).

One more thing: a lot of folks have posted about the role ACORN played in the current mess. That just seems wrong to me. It's not like the crisis in mortgage-backed securities and other collateralized debt obligations is made up entirely, or even mostly, by inner-city homes. Nor can most of this be laid at the feet of the CRA (which is decades old legislation). And even if most of the foreclosures could be traced back to the CRA and ACORN (which doesn't really make any sense to me as an argument, but whatever), there was no legislation which forced anyone to make heavily leveraged purchases of securities created from mortgage pools.

Posted by: zeeb on October 7, 2008 03:16 PM
74. The DOW today: 9447.11. When Bush assumed the presidency on January 19, 2001, the Dow was at 10,587.59.

And all you've got to post is this YouTube Crap?

You better hope McCain does well in the debate tonight or it will be OVER, and all the Ayers/Acorn/Whatever whining won't help one bit.

Posted by: RobertSeattle on October 7, 2008 03:21 PM
75. Nice try zeeb at trying to be the "moral conscience" of SP. You're a fraud. You're no Rossi supporter.
You too are unable to post anything proving me wrong. All you liberals have to do is prove ANYTHING you say is true and that we "racist ranters" are wrong. It should be easy since we're so out of the mainstream.

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 03:24 PM
76. Yeah, let's bail out all the poor "home owners" who bailed on their mortgages and contributed to this crisis. That makes perfect sense. That way, all of us who actually PAID their mortgages can feel really stupid for following all the rules. Yes, we can keep paying for 30 years on OUR mortgages, while the loser down the street gets some sweet deal from a bank bailout deal and can own his home in 10 years interest free. I bet he can get a really nice car for all that saved interest money he didn't pay... You guys are dumber than I thought.

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 03:32 PM
77. Hey, zeeb, Obama worked for ACORN and doled out millions and millions of dollars to the organization. Aren't you at least a little ashamed your guy has been so involved in this crooked organization.

As for timing, I hope the American public gets this information now (after all, most haven't started to focus till now and don't know the half of it). If they still choose the DalaiBama or Obibama, then so be it. I would rather the public know about this guy now instead of after the election.

I still don't know why Clinton didn't get their press to vet the guy earlier.

Posted by: swatter on October 7, 2008 03:42 PM
78. Scott @75:

I am voting for Rossi. But, given that he's pretty moderate, I can imagine that you may not be. And I'm not trying to the be the moral conscience of anything. Clearly, that's the role you're auditioning for, with your prophesies of the Obama Dark Age.

And when someone posts the following about a man with a white mother --

"He has NEVER shown ANY interest in the affairs of any group other than blacks"

there's not much to say.

Trying to refute emotional rants like that with facts or argument is a losing game. I've lived in cities with black mayors, Scott. I'm sure some of us have even lived in a county with a black supervisor...(!) It wasn't that bad! Seriously, the white people were even allowed to have jobs and move around on their own. So, you know, it may not be as bad as you think. Of course, you can do what all the left-wing nuts wanted to in 1999, and move to Canada. They even have a (relatively) conservative government now!

But avoid B.C. (too many Sikhs!) or Quebec (French!).

Posted by: zeeb on October 7, 2008 03:48 PM
79. I'm sure the astute readers here at SP know that the Secretary of State of Nevada and the Attorney General are of what political party?

Posted by: RobertSeattle on October 7, 2008 03:48 PM
80. Leftists...never forget the state of our nation the last 50 years if you steal this election. And don't come whining to us you have been warned.

It is stunning - you constantly threaten the over throw of the land, threaten riots, assist the enemies, ignore laws, make up your own laws at the court instead of the legislature, convert billions in tax dollars into your own pockets for the "social good", demand a death culture around the sexualization of children and we don't fire back a single shot. Remember many of the Frenchies were hoisted on their own petard. Be very careful what you help unleash because you've never had it so good.

Admit it you just wish we were all going to jail for hurting your feelings while you destroy the land.

Never in the history of the world is there an example of any success with what the non-American Obama plans to do. None!

Posted by: Col. Hogan on October 7, 2008 03:54 PM
81. Scott @76:

I pay my mortgage on time, and I wouldn't want someone else to get bailed out without consequence.

But all of us are kind of screwed with a credit freeze. I mean, if I wanted to sell my house, it'll be pretty tough -- because even people with good credit won't be able to get a loan. And if businesses can't access credit, well, they might go under. And I might get fired. All because a whole bunch of investment bankers thought it would be a great idea to borrow a bunch of money, buy and pool high yield mortgages, slice them up, and sell them as securities for a massive profit.

So yea -- if bailing out some schlub whose eyes were bigger than his bank account helps the credit markets stay fluid, I'm all for it.

But now I'm doing what I told Demo Kid not to do, which is feed the flames. Any non-right wing rhetoric here gets trampled. I don't think it used to be like this, but maybe I'm wrong.

And yea, Obama's association with ACORN does bother me some. And I'd put those reservations out earlier if I felt that they'd ever get responded to in good faith here.

Posted by: Zeeb on October 7, 2008 04:03 PM
82. And I'm sure the astute robertseattle knows Tony Romo, Terrell Owens and the rest of the Dallas Cowbodys aren't registered to vote in the state of Nevada.

But apparently, since the SoS and AG are of a political party he can't stand, none of that matters.

Gawd, I get tired of people like you.

Posted by: jimg on October 7, 2008 04:07 PM
83. Okay Scott, I take some of it back. Compared to Col. Hogan @80, you sound like Alexis de Tocqueville.

Posted by: Zeeb on October 7, 2008 04:10 PM
84. I'm sure the astute readers here at SP know that the Secretary of State of Nevada and the Attorney General are of what political party?

And now that I've bothered to look, the SoS for the state of Nevada is Ross Miller, Democrat.

So, what's your point Robert?

Posted by: jimg on October 7, 2008 04:14 PM
85. And the AG is also a Dem. So again, Robert, what's your point?

That ACORN consists of a bunch of crooks and the people in charge are throwing the book at a bunch of crooks?

Good.

Posted by: jimg on October 7, 2008 04:17 PM
86. @81: But now I'm doing what I told Demo Kid not to do, which is feed the flames. Any non-right wing rhetoric here gets trampled. I don't think it used to be like this, but maybe I'm wrong.

To be brutally honest, I've been coming here off and on looking for good debate in a liberal political monoculture. I actually do like the idea of debating with conservatives, and there are a few things that I can agree with on a rational basis: gun rights (with some reasonable limitations), bans on abortion in the third trimester, some level of privatization and liberalization in certain sectors of the economy, things like that. There is not the diversity of opinion that I've been used to here in Seattle, and I don't like it.

There have been times where I've found that kind of exchange here, but reading what these folks write here is like reading the mad scratchings from inmates in an asylum. There is no respect for alternative points of view, the ad hominem attacks here are pretty vile, and the level of racism and misogyny here blows me away on a regular basis.

I have to admit that I've sunk as low as these folks sometimes with this... but it's been a slow descent. Now, though, I just seem to relish the idea of irritating the crap out of people whose debate style seems to amount to calling people liberals and saying that non-conservatives should be shot.

But heck, if a conservative (I'm guessing?) such as yourself is being shouted down as being a "fraud" for being civil... that should say something about how radical and out of touch these folks are.

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 04:31 PM
87. DK, you never debate, you just throw out demo talking points.

Posted by: PC on October 7, 2008 04:39 PM
88. @87: You just throw out Republican talking points. At least I have some semblance of independent thought in there.

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 04:43 PM
89. The video Shark posted is but the tip of Obama the communist revolutionary's iceberg. An enormous amount of preparation was required to get to the black cadre phase the video shows. That preparation was done through espionage against our nation...and you and me.

Obama, Ayers, Wright, ACORNholes, etc., are, and have been, engaged in espionage against the United States of America and are, ipso facto, considered illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been spies, saboteurs, and espionage agents. The penalties have been indeterminate prison sentences or death.

Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped by exercising our God-given right of self-defense

Is YOUR name on the OPORDER? You boys are in over your heads.

Posted by: The Pirate on October 7, 2008 04:49 PM
90. Demo,

I'm not nearly as conservative as I used to be (a reversal of Churchill's formulation, I guess). I've generally been pro-life, though not as rigid as the current GOP platform. On fiscal issues, I'm pretty conservative -- but not if "conservative" is defined as "consistent with George W. Bush". The President is not a fiscal conservative. I prefer relatively low marginal tax rates - but I no longer think the Laffer curve is the end-all and be-all of economic policy. Basically, I like low taxes, but if the public fisc is threatened, I'm not opposed to the idea of a tax increase. Some things are worth a tax increase.

In college, I was chairman of my school's College Republicans. After 9/11, I was quite intense and a vocal advocate of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I no longer support the war in Iraq, and think our presence there is no longer worth American blood or treasure.

Generally, I think the Republican party has destroyed American conservatism. I'm not a Christian, and I don't think the Republican party is welcoming to non-Christians. The current GOP is, in my view, the most theological iteration of a major party in American history.

Posted by: Zeeb on October 7, 2008 05:33 PM
91. Demo Kid (yes, I'll be civil if you want to debate):

Please name an example of Barack Obama reaching across the aisle in the spirit of bipartisanship. There are literally dozens of examples of McCain doing the very thing, sponsoring a bill with a Democrat colleague.

If Obama is to be the uniter that the Democrats proclaim, then show an example of his taking the initiative in uniting both parties.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 7, 2008 05:59 PM
92. Gosh Mrs. Cleaver, we're just a couple of honest liberals trying to have a debate....

C'mon guys. Be honest. No conservative would say the Afghanistan war was one of "a couple disasterous wars". Even Democrats say the Afghanistan war was and still is justified. Even your savior Obama wants to shift troops there. THAT wouldn't be part of any conservative argument. That's why I called you a fraud. You've done nothing to dissuade me on that point Zeeb.

Don't confuse me with someone who gives even the slightest part of a damn about what anyone thinks of my opinion, but I especially don't care what liberals think of me.

According to you holier than thou liberals:

Even though Obama sat in Jeramiah's black theology church for 20 years, I'm the racist?

You want to talk about Obama's mother? Good because he doesn't. He did say his grandmother was a "typical white person...afraid of black people on the street"... but I'm the racist?

Even though Obama has taken millions of taxpayer dollars and steered them towards what amount to radical political Madrassas to preach hatred for America to young inner city youth, I'm the racist?

Even though it was just reported on CNN today that 9 in 10 blacks will vote for Obama, I'm the racist?

Even though Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro were both labled racists by the Obama campaign, Obama is NOT a racist?

Even though there is not a single charitable contribution by Obama to a non-black entity, I'm a racist? That is a little revelation brought out by the fact that Obama donated only 1% of his income prior to 2007, so he gave the names of charities himself to prove he gives to charity. What were they, Trinity Church, Black Congressional Caucus Foundation (later found to not qualify for charitable tax exempt status), Muntu Dance Theater, a Chicago-based company that performs contemporary and classic African dance, Rochelle Lee Fund (largely but not necessarily all black oriented), and CARE (also largely but not necessarily all black oriented).

So, go ahead and call me a racist. I don't care. I can call you a racist too. You're a racist. See, it accomplished nothing. We both think the other is a racist, big deal.
By the way I'd vote for Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keys, Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell, or any other conservative African American.

If you want to "debate" then do it. Bring some facts and let's debate them. So far you haven't done that.
Since what I said bothers you enough for you to spend time here bad mouthing me for pointing out all these "coincidences" about Obama's connections, prove me wrong, or at least show how another conclusion should be made. It should be easy since you think you are so obviously in control of the moral high ground here.

I believe any one of the things I have said about Obama taken alone wouldn't amount to anything. But when you add them all up, the radical ties, his black theology church, his book named after a Jeramiah Wright sermon, his William Ayers association, his support for a Kenyan Muslim dictator, his continuing efforts to silence critics, his wife's little "slips of the tongue", his Saul Alinsky style community activism, his statement that he's going to start a "civil security force" based on his community youth organizations; ...all that added together REALLY SCARES THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE who care about freedom and democracy!

Posted by: scott on October 7, 2008 07:08 PM
93. Again, with Obama blowing open huge leads in both state and national polls, -Posted by: Unkl Witz on October 7, 2008 03:08 PM

At this time in October 2000, Al Gore was ahead by 11 points... far more than obambi is today.

I don't seem to recall a Gore inauguration.

At this time in October 2004, Francois Kerry was greatly ahead.

I don't seem to recall a Kerry inauguration.

At this time in October 2004, Mondale was all but coronated by the left.

I don't seem to recall a Mondale inauguration.

It's bad enough the chickens have come home to roost with freedom killing liberalism, but you are counting those chickens before they've hatched... again.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 7, 2008 08:43 PM
94. "There is not the diversity of opinion that I've been used to here in Seattle, and I don't like it." ~ Demokid @ 4:31pm

...Perhaps we can delve into the reason why then, Demokid. It starts with a term called "liberal fascism" and can be witnessed at least every four years when some American citizen (and in this case combat veteran) dares to put a G.O.P. sign on or around his home and have the signs and property repeatedly vandalized as a result. Then, moving along, venture down to downtown seattle and expect your car to get keyed should you dare have anything in any way that can be considered Republican on your vehicle.

I've been in this city for nearly 20 years and am continually amazed at how dramatically undiversified it is in terms of political ideology. I've lived in Florida, Arizona and Hawaii and have never experienced the kind of groupthink that exists in Seattle, largely due to an ignorant population that would rather just go with the flow than think for themselves.

FWIW, I travelled by Potts' house on my commute every day during the 2004 campaign and witnessed the carnage first hand.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 7, 2008 08:52 PM
95.
Rags:

Not sure where you got those numbers but their not reality. Gore was up by 3 at this point in 2000 and Kerry was only up by 2 in 2004. I can't make any sense of your Mondale comment either.

No matter though, the only poll that counts is the one done on Nov 4th.

Right now, we're feeling pretty good about things.

How 'bout you???

Posted by: Unkl Witz on October 7, 2008 09:48 PM
96. (sing to the tune of Mickey Mouse Club)

Whose the leader of the cult that's made for you and me?

M-I-C, K-E-Y M- eff-you-and-me.

Barack Obama
(high pitch) William Ayers
Barack Obama

Posted by: Andy on October 7, 2008 10:00 PM
97. Another example of Obami, and his support of liberal fascism.

When will these balcks learn that this is a white and christian man's nation.

At least the heroic editors of Sound Politics have the guts to call it like it is.

Posted by: NObama on October 7, 2008 10:17 PM
98. Unkl scrawled out:

Gore was up by 3 at this point in 2000 and Kerry was only up by 2 in 2004... Right now, we're feeling pretty good about things.

Considering that Obama is up by two points, I'd say you should be sweating, not feeling pretty good. You guys have a nice track record of being up by 2-3 points a month before the election and then losing.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 7, 2008 10:18 PM
99. Hey Shanghai:

We're feelin' real good:

CNN Poll: Obama won the night
Posted: 11:45 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser


Polls suggests Obama has won tonight's debate.
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- A national poll of debate watchers suggests that Barack Obama won the second presidential debate.

Fifty-four percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted after the debate ended said that Obama did the best job in the debate, with 30 percent saying John McCain performed better.

Watch: Debate analysis

A majority, 54 percent, said Obama seemed to be the stronger leader during the debate, to 43 percent for McCain. By a greater than two to one margin -- 65 percent to 28 percent -- viewers thought Obama was more likeable during the debate.

"Obama had made some gains on the leadership issue even before the debate," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "McCain's advantage on leadership shrunk from 19 points in September to just five points this weekend. If Obama can use this debate to convince Americans that he is a stronger leader than McCain, he may be difficult to defeat."

Watch: Reading the candidates' faces

A majority of debate watchers polled thought Obama was more intelligent, by a 57 percent to 25 percent margin over McCain. Twice as many debate watchers also thought Obama more clearly expressed than McCain, with 60 percent giving the nod to the Democratic nominee and 30 percent to his GOP opponent.


Hands down, debate watchers questioned thought McCain rather than Obama spent more time attacking his opponent: 63 percent said McCain went more negative, as opposed to 17 percent who pointed to Obama.

Half of those polled say Obama answered questions more directly, 13 points ahead of McCain, and by a 14 point advantage debate watchers thought Obama seemed to care more about the probelms of audience members who asked questions.

McCain did come out on top in one category that neither candidate wants to win: By a 16 point margin, debate watchers thought McCain seemed more like a typical politician during the debate.

According to the poll, 64 percent had a favorable opinion of Obama after the debate, up four points from the pre-debate result. McCain's favorability rating remained unchanged: both before and after the debate percent of those polled had a favorable opinion of the Republican nominee both before and after the debate.

"For McCain, the key finding may be that his favorable rating did not change at all," Holland said. "It's unclear whether Obama will gain any momentum from Tuesday night's debate, but it looks like McCain will not do so, and for a candidate who has consistently been a few points behind in national polls, that's not a good sign."

The poll suggests that independent voters thought Obama won the debate. Fifty-four percent of those identifying themselves as independent say Obama performed best, with 28 percent saying that McCain did the better job.

Among Democrats, 85 percent say Obama won, with just 5 percent saying McCain was the winner. Among Republicans, 64 percent say McCain won, with 16 percent saying Obama won the night.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted by telephone with 675 adult Americans who watched the debate. All interviews were taken after the end of the debate. The audience for this debate was 38 percent Democratic and 31 percent Republican -- very close to the partisan breakdown among all Americans nationwide. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Posted by: Unkl Witz on October 7, 2008 10:42 PM
100. @90: Generally, I think the Republican party has destroyed American conservatism.

Aha! This is something that I can sink my teeth into. How would you change the focus of the Republican Party to address this? Where do you think they're going wrong, and what do you think they're doing right?

Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 10:59 PM
101. if the left disenfranchises the rest of us, there will be civil war in one way or another...maybe it'll just be that those that actually work and pay taxes will just stop working and stop paying taxes....we'll loaf around like Dumo kid....

let it sink in...civil war.....it won't be pretty.....

Posted by: lee on October 7, 2008 11:52 PM
102. @101: "Disenfranchises you"???? How do you figure THAT one? Is this another case of conservatives playing the victim?

Posted by: demo kid on October 8, 2008 02:03 AM
103. Unkl,

Nice try to change your tune... So you care to elucidate on how Obama's current 2-3 point lead translates to a Democrat win in November, given the historical leads you pointed out?

Demo Kid,

Still don't want to talk issues? I'll repeat it again:

Please name an example of Barack Obama reaching across the aisle in the spirit of bipartisanship. There are literally dozens of examples of McCain doing the very thing, sponsoring a bill with a Democrat colleague.

If Obama is to be the uniter that the Democrats proclaim, then show an example of his taking the initiative in uniting both parties.

You said you wanted to debate and talk issues. Well, here's your chance...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 8, 2008 08:25 AM
104. @103: Please name an example of Barack Obama reaching across the aisle in the spirit of bipartisanship.

Senate Passes Obama-Hagel Provision Aimed at Preventing Nuclear Terrorism

OMB Offers an Easy Way to Follow the Money

Obama, Lugar Secure Funding for Implementation of Nonproliferation Law

Three examples of working with Republicans: Tom Coburn, Chuck Hagel, and Dick Lugar. Guess I win that one, eh?

Now, you can certainly qualify that and say that these don't count for *some* reason. On the other hand, I'm amused that you would use McCain-Feingold or McCain-Kennedy as reasons for Republicans to vote for the fellow. You don't "unite both parties" by leaving your own behind.

Posted by: demo kid on October 8, 2008 09:28 AM
105. Obama, Ayers, Wright, ACORN, et al., are, and have been, engaged in espionage and low intensity guerilla warfare against the United States and are de facto illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been sentenced to indeterminate prison sentences or death.

Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped.

Posted by: The Pirate on October 8, 2008 10:19 AM
106. By the way, Glen Beck this morning on the radio echoed my opinion that we could be headed down a dark tunnel to chaos. The perfect storm is forming. We could lose the country. How? Let's say Obama wins. Let's say the right is really pissed because there is evidence of vote fraud and it was a close loss similar to the fraud that put Gregoire in office.
Then let's say there is a terrorist cell that the US Government has known about and done nothing to stop becasue of political correctness. Then the sleeper cell gets it's marching orders and on one day causes some sort of mass death and chaos. Then citizens take things into their own hands and either fairly or unfairly start shooting anyone who looks like a terrorist. The US government prosecutes them and it's percieved as more nonsense from the left. You get mass revolt from the right against the US Governemnt controlled by the far left. The military is an unknown factor. But you could have many states deciding to exit the union. Civil war breaks out and the fun begins. Country is gone, economy is in a shambles, world finance goes down the toilet, and the world slides into the new dark age.
This is the Glen Beck who is a CNN talk show host saying this. Not me.
So is Glen Beck a right wing extremist whacko? Or is he just connecting dots and making an informed projection of what could happen in the future, just like I have done?

Posted by: scott on October 8, 2008 10:30 AM
107. @106: Your paranoid delusions are so divorced from reality, it isn't even funny. Glen Beck is a right-wing whacko who should have been canned a long time ago for being a complete moron and partisan hack.

Funny, too, that you're defending citizens that "fairly or unfairly start shooting anyone who looks like a terrorist". Vigilante justice? I think that you're the dangerous one, not the left.

Furthermore, you have no substantiation of "vote fraud". It's wishful thinking, especially with the rather lopsided poll numbers coming out now.

Go get on some medication before you hurt yourself.

Posted by: demo kid on October 8, 2008 11:14 AM
108. "Your paranoid delusions are so divorced from reality, it isn't even funny. Glen Beck is a right-wing whacko who should have been canned a long time ago for being a complete moron and partisan hack."

Except that he isn't either a moron or a partisan.

Glenn Beck is a moderate who doesn't hew to any partisan party line. The reason he becomes a target for ridicule (like you just attempted) is because he irritates both sides with his commentary. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it wrong.

Glenn's hypothetical scenario was just that - hypothetical. Behind it was the same message that Glenn has shouted for a long while - that we need to put the partisan stuff on the shelf for a moment and solve the financial mess Congress created.

Doesn't sound like a "right-wing whacko (sic) to me. Doesn't sound like "independent thought" or "reasonable debate" either...

Posted by: Alphabet Soup on October 8, 2008 01:17 PM
109. The main goal of the terrorists on 9/11 was to destroy our economy by creating chaos in what they perceived as the seat of it: New York City.

O-bomb-a regularly sneers at the President telling us to shop, but that was the point: to show the America haters that we can not be destroyed, that they do not scare us, that we will not let them manipulate our economy.

Today our economy, like most of the FREE world, is in an economic struggle of massive proportions.

Today, we have terrorist organizations on record as saying they support O-bomb-a and hope he wins.

Why is that? It's because they know from his own words that he will not be aggressive in fighting them.

With the current economic crisis, with the America-hateres stated purpose and HISTORY of destroying us through our ecomomic system, withthe bombings of our Embassies overseas recently, an O-bomb-a election will give THE AMERICA HATERS, a perfect storm to attempt to destroy us again.

The only question remains is not what city, but how many?

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 8, 2008 01:17 PM
110. Demo Kid posted:

Senate Passes Obama-Hagel Provision Aimed at Preventing Nuclear Terrorism

HAHAHAHAHA! Man, you crack me up... So his bill which DIED IN THE SENATE gets tacked on the end of another bill and that's a great victory? Taking a dead bill and trying to get some of it attached to another bill?

OMB Offers an Easy Way to Follow the Money

Yes, Obama joined 46 OTHER SENATORS in cosponsoring that bill. Some bipartisanship there! So his big bold move was to hide with half the Senate in co-sponsoring a bill that passed on a voice vote! So popular that it didn't even need a recorded vote. Yes, that's some courage there!

Obama, Lugar Secure Funding for Implementation of Nonproliferation Law

You mean Senate Bill 313 that had 39 cosponsors (of which Obama was one)? The bill that stalled in committee and few provisions were tacked on another bill?

Or Senate Bill 1949 that's stuck in committee?

Or Senate Bill 2566 where Obama is one of 26 cosponsors?

So we have Obama being one of a face in a LARGE crowd (we're talking 27% or more of the entire Senate "sponsoring" a bill). And the only bill that actually passed had HALF the Senate as cosponsors and passed on a complete voice vote.

Yes, that's some bipartisanship! Not a single record of actually telling his own party "you're wrong, I support this anyway".

For McCain-Feingold, or McCain-Lieberman (which did not pass), or McCain-Kennedy those are all examples of McCain actually BEING bipartisan, saying that sometimes a position trumps politics. You know, actually working with the other side.

Obama? Not so much... Unless tacking your name on a bill with 48 other Senators counts as being a champion of bipartisanship!

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 8, 2008 03:41 PM
111. Playing the race card just makes you look like a moron david...

Posted by: Alphabet Soup on October 9, 2008 04:53 PM
112. @108: Glenn Beck is an avowed conservative. Thinking that he's "nonpartisan" is like thinking that Fox News is "fair and balanced".

@110: For McCain-Feingold, or McCain-Lieberman (which did not pass), or McCain-Kennedy those are all examples of McCain actually BEING bipartisan, saying that sometimes a position trumps politics. You know, actually working with the other side.

First... you're not really interested in being bipartisan one way or the other! McCain-Kennedy was ROUNDLY skewered by the far-right-wingnuts, and I doubt that you were pleased by McCain-Feingold either. For him to tell you that you're wrong is probably not the kin of bipartisanship you'd particularly like.

Second, what exactly would pass the bar for you? Are you going to consider Kennedy or Feingold to be bipartisan because they cosponsored those same bills with a Republican? Would anyone, save Joe Lieberman, fit that role in your mind?

Posted by: demo kid on October 12, 2008 01:47 PM
113. Slavery Party Kid,

Again, back to you - name a SINGLE bill that Obama sponsored or where he stood up to his party leadership.

You can't. He's a baby killing, racist, Socialist extremist who is as partisan as can be. He's a crybaby, wannabe, economic disaster waiting to happen.

And if he gets in, and the country falls to pieces, I'm sure you'll be the first to issue a mea culpa for letting him in...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 12, 2008 03:11 PM
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