OK, the bailout bill has passed. Now it's time to call out the culprits. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank and a host of other Democrats lay the whole problem at the feet of the Republicans. They have no compunction about inserting politics into one of the most critical challenges in recent memory. Incredibly, Bill Clinton accepted a share of the blame for himself and the Democrats but he was in a definite minority within his party.
The job of pointing out the dirty fingers of Senator Dodd and his sweetheart mortgage from Countrywide, the chutzpah of Barney Frank claiming that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound and not in need of more oversight and Chuck Schumer's loose lips that helped sink a California bank falls to the one person with the media exposure to do it - John McCain. It was commendable that McCain did not sink to the Pelosi level in the heat of negotiations on the bailout bill. For this Dodd, Schumer, Reid, Frank, Pelosi and other Democrats attacked him for returning to Washington to work on the bailout, doing his job as a Senator. Amazing. McCain owes these Congressional colleagues nothing. They have used every opportunity, especially during this crisis, to pump up the non-participant Obama and degrade the one who put the nation first, McCain.
Senator McCain said if he were elected president, he would point out every spending earmark and make the authors famous. Well the just passed bailout bill gives him his first golden opportunity. It is loaded with pork. Tax breaks for the rum industry, fishermen, people who bike to work, NASCAR and on and on; name names, Republican or Democrat, who used this crisis for political gain. Even if some of the earmarks were for "good" purposes, they should not have been in what was arguably the most significant piece of legislation in recent memory. Its passage should have been on the merits of the bill not bribes.
Senator McCain, in your nomination acceptance speech, you said "Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight." Senator, you fought for us before, fight for us again and we'll fight with you. Attack the Democrat hypocrisy. Don't let the Democrats who were principals in causing the financial meltdown get away with the "Blame Bush" canard. Don't let Obama disguise his leftist worldview with teleprompter feel good rhetoric. Straight talk to the people may not only win you the presidency but also save some House and Senate seats. Fight for us Senator, Fight for us.
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Both democrats and republican leadership still think that the federal reserve and the lack of a gold standard are a good idea so #1 will not be addressed.
Both McCain and Obama think the GSE's are a good idea. McCain recognized a problem a few years back which is good. The problem was his solution was not to get rid of the GSEs but rather to add another layer of government and regulation.
#3 was passed with the help of both democrats and republicans. Republicans are now crying about it being a bad idea yet I remember Bush bragging about record numbers of americans owning homes. They also may disagree with this one particular regulation now but they do not have a problem with government pushing an agenda through regulation.
Oh and when I say republicans here... I mean non Ron Paul Republicans of course. Ron Paul and his supporters were laughed at a year ago when we tried to say monetary policy was a problem in this country.
Posted by: Lysander on October 5, 2008 05:21 PMGood post. Decades ago we war-gamed at Naval Intel Officer School whether a thoroughly infiltrated media could overthrow our government through psyops. We concluded it could. I have concluded it is happening.
John McCain can, in fact, buy us time to clean this up ... if he fights. Sarah, bless her heart, is starting to fight. We have the ammo, and we have the weapons, but we most need the will. Most of the media is focusing on neutralizing our will.
McCain's task, like any CO's, is to propel our will to fight the clear and present danger posed by this new domestic enemy personified in Obama.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 5, 2008 05:33 PM
And, since he is so much for the end of Partisanship, how many Democrats do you think he will have in his cabinet and his administration in general? No, I am not joking. Bush even had a Democrat in his cabinet. Norman Mineta, remember him, Secretary of Transportation. If Bush had one it is a safe bet that McCain will have many more.
Well since McCain voted for the bailout, is there any doubt that he will lose the election. He has deflated all the excitement conservatives had after he choose Sarah Palin. Most conservatives will stay home, and for me, I will do something I thought I never would.
Since McCain is running against Obama, as a conservative I have to vote for Obama.
Things will get worse with McCain.
Things will get much worse with Obama. And that is why I am voting for Obama. For things will only get worse with McCain but they need to get much worse for us to survive as a nation.
Of course a statement like that needs an explanation. And I will do so in the form of an analogy. Do you know how to cook a frog? Well, if you put it in a pot of boiling water the frog will quickly jump out. But if you put a frog in a pot of water that is warm and turn up the heat gradually up to boiling the frog will just sit there not even realizing it is being boiled alive.
Obama is the one who puts the frog into the hot water and McCain is the one who turns up the heat gradually. With Obama his extremism will cause a backlash so great that America will start electing good leaders to oppose him. It happened in 1980 and it happened in 1994. And it will happen again.
But McCain he will really be the death of the Republican Party. As I said above things will get worse with McCain and therefore he and the Republican Party will get the blame. And then America will elect a Democrat in 2012 for President. And if recent history has shown us anything it has shown that the Democratic Candidate has been getting increasingly extreme. So I can't tell you who the Democrats will put up that year but I can tell you that person will be as extreme if not more extreme than Obama. So, how long are we putting off having an Obama-like President? Four Years?
And meanwhile McCain has shown that he wants to drive conservatives and conservatism away from the Republican Party, his choice of Palin notwithstanding. For those of us who believe that the only solution to our country's problems, it is unacceptable that neither of the two major parties represents conservative values.
So, I am left with the ultimate act of "tough love". Not to say there aren't hard times ahead for there is but that is true with McCain as well. But at least with Obama there is hope that things will get better after him. With McCain all hope is lost.
Posted by: Steve on October 5, 2008 05:39 PMCase in point... Fox News!
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 05:48 PMCare to guess whether he voted yes or no on that bill? Odd that he's fighting for you by supporting earmarks...
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 05:51 PMTopics that are on the table in the next debate and also thereafter:
- Associations with Wright, Rezko, Ayers and ACORN
- Corruption - ACORN - The fact that he has been indifferent about and generally not acted where there is corruption, while knowledgeable of its existence while in Chicago and similarly while in Washington DC.
- Fannie and Freddie lining his pockets with over $100,000K in campaign contributions in only 3 years (2nd most in the US Senate over the last 20 years).
- His lies (like Bidens) that have distorted McCain's record and there are numerous.
- Questioning his rhetoric that attempts to blame McCain for things that he cannot be linked to. Turn it around and show what Obama's record that is unflattering.
- Obama will be the second term of Carter.
I know it is a rather lengthy laundry list. The phone # of the McCain campaign is 703-418-2008, to speak to someone direct tomorrow.
Posted by: KS on October 5, 2008 05:58 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
So, McCain is President? Must be news to Obama.
You're attempting to hold him to a stupid, impossible standard for your own partisan gain. He never said, nor should he ever say, that he'd vote against every bill with pork in it as a Senator. That would essentially remove him from the Senate. He'd b a no vote on every bill. He'd be a speed bump, not an actual voice in the Senate. It would be grandstanding for it's own sake.
If you might have noticed, the job of President is a little different.
I know you don't care about this, you're as intellectually honest as Barack Obama is experienced and wise, but I had to point it out anyway.
Posted by: Cliff on October 5, 2008 06:00 PMPoliticians of both parties have created this mess. Anyone who thinks that these same people will fix it is not living in the real world.
This financial disaster is the consequence of Political Correctness laced with Zero Responsibility. Both essential hallmarks of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Jeff B. on October 5, 2008 06:55 PMLook, I made the decision not to vote for McCain a LONG time ago. He sold us out on illegal alien amnesty and he sold us out on this worthless bailout, rife with cancerous payoffs and billions in add ons that have NOTHING to do with our financial crisis.
In working to get this piece of crap passed, McCain has certainly strengthened my conviction that he isn't the guy who should be our president.
I write that with a heavy heart. I will not vote for him, (not that it matters, since that scum bag OhDrama has the Soviet Socialist Republic of Washington locked up) and his choice to sell us all out with this bill certainly supports that decision.
Posted by: Hinton on October 5, 2008 07:03 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A
At Tuesday's debate, McCain must accuse Obama of being a dangerous security risk to America, unworthy of the Democrat party's nomination, and demand he resign from the race, forthwith. If Obama refuses, then McCain should refuse to further validate Obama's candidacy, refuse to debate an enemy, and walk off the stage.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 5, 2008 07:14 PM
A large number of the American electorate will remain clueless and will cast a misinformed vote until they start hearing the truth. If you want to hear the truth, I suggest you read #17 and do some independent research.
Either that or you can stay misinformed. There are a load of other reasons to not vote for Obama-Biden. I challenge you to get a grip on how you and countless others are having the wool pulled over your eyes, unless of course you don't care and are consumed by apathy.
Posted by: KS on October 5, 2008 07:59 PMJohn McCain has been in the Senate 20 years and has taken ZERO dollars in earmarks.
AGAIN, for our ADD loony libs: this meltdown can be laid at the stinky feet of your Comrade Carter.
This particular set of dominoes was set in motion by Carter and his demand that institutions make it easier for minorities to get loans, by eliminated redlining and essentially erasing common sense rules for lending. It wasn't that they were undeserving of the American dream, but it WAS that Carter changed the rules of how that could happen.
Clinton continued and expanded that. THEN there was the advent of the net, changing rules of investment, daytraders and short selling.
Banks were forced BY NEW RULES SET FORTH BY A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS and COMRADE CARTER to lend to people with unqualified finances. Suddenly houses were being gobbled up and WOW! the housing market boomed ... you do remember that inconveient Supply and Demand Principle, don't you? Well, DEMAND was king.
As Banks became skittish about holding the mortgages of those they knew were unqualified borrowers they sold those mortgages up the line.
Enter Fannie, Freddie and Franklin Raines. Under Raines the rules for "executives bonuses" were changed and became dependant up on VOLUME. Hence Fannie and Freddie gobbled up mortgages of unqualified borrowers from skittish banks.... and Franklin Raines "earned" 90 MILLION DOLLARS in under 9 years in bonuses from that volume.
On the bottom of that upside down triangle those same unqualified borrowers found themselves innundated with cheap credit: "No Down Payment", "No Interest" for X years. Hells bells! They bought themselves Ipods and flat screens, SUV's and hot tubs.... No PAYMENT NECESSARY... YET.
But, YET came.
YET demanded payment.
YET was adjustable rate mortgages that went UP UP UP and never down.
YET became one more in a stack of YET bills that could not be met and YET was ignored/defaulted upon.
YET was the determining factor to sell the house they never could afford and paid too much for because so many others had bought house they could not afford and drove up the housing prices.
BUT YET also caused all those other ill-afforded house into the market too... that nasty old Supply and Demand Principle again, but SUPPLY is the new king.
The banks who sold all those mortgages, who provided all that "No Down Payment", "No Interest" for X years credit were not getting paid and they passed that anxiety back UP the line ... and it ended with the crash of Fannie and Freddie.... after good old Franklin Raines left with his 90 MILLION DOLLARS in volume bonuses... right into his NEW job with Obambi
There's more. Much, MUCH more. There's the sweetheart mortgages that Dodd, Biden and a whole gaggle of Dems received from Countrywide; there's the money Dodd, Obambi and and equally large gaggle of Dems received from Fannie and Freddie; there's the protection of Fannie and Freddie by Barney Frank (on behalf of his boy-toy) and Maxine Waters (in the name of racism).
This debacle was started by nothing more than affirmative action for unqualified borrowers and may just end with an affirmative action law student who became an affirmative action Senator, and affirmative action candidate becoming our first affirmative action President.
God help us.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 5, 2008 09:00 PMChapter 2 is to blame Bush for it. It is amazing to see all the Dumbocrats running campaigns as if they were running against Bush.
Chapter 3, go back and do 1 and 2 again.
I guess if you don't have any ideas, don't have any leadership ability, and are desperate you have to fall back on that tired old mantra.
Is there a lot of blame to go around? Sure there is. Blame in both parties? You bet.
But the moves that created the problem, then made it worse, and were bought off to prevent it from being cleaned up all dump right on the doors of the Dumbocrats.
This is why you have only had two Presidents in the last 40 years. And won't have another one for at least 4 more terms.
Posted by: Nice try on October 5, 2008 09:06 PMhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ
Posted by: Kim on October 5, 2008 09:17 PMObama is a major threat to national security, and must be stopped.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 5, 2008 09:34 PMI could respond to the rest, but I'm just fascinated by the rank hypocrisy that permeates this board.
I'm fascinated with the fact that John McCain ran away like a coward during an almost catastrophic accident aboard the USS Forrestal, while a fellow pilot risked his life with a damage control team... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that McCain gave up information as a POW when others did not... and gets a pass. (See James Stockdale for an example of a true POW hero.)
I'm fascinated with the fact that McCain cheated on his first wife... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that McCain didn't earn his money, nor has he ever worked in the private sector... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that McCain helped to ram through the unnecessary purchase of a multi-billion dollar aircraft carrier for pork-barrel spending... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that McCain took money from Charles Keating and used his influence on his behalf... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that Cindy McCain managed to avoid jail for stealing drugs because of her husband's influence... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that John McCain sought the endorsement from a fellow that said that "Hitler was fulfilling God's will"... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that John McCain can exacerbate the diplomatic situation with Iran with a stupid rendition of a Beach Boys song... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that John McCain can vote for torture when tortured himself... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that Sarah Palin actively supported a secessionist group whose leader actively cursed the United States... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that Sarah Palin irresponsibly ran her city's finances into the ground by constructing a sports complex on someone else's land... and gets a pass.
I'm fascinated with the fact that Sarah Palin can conflate party infighting and score-settling with being a "maverick"... and gets a pass.
Bleating about unsubstantiated hearsay regarding ACORN, Rezko, Ayers, and Wright is NOTHING compared to the skeletons that are in your own candidates' closets. It is pure cognitive dissonance (or blatant stupidity) to call Obama out for things like this when McCain and Palin are guilty of far worse.
Look, I can respect an honest and frank discussion about political differences... but this is pathetic mudslinging at best. It completely demonstrates the utter moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party. So much for claiming you're "adults"... you're pretty much nothing but whiny, bratty children.
And even Bill Clinton pointed out that during his years in Congress the Republicans tried to pass the neccessary reform of Fannie and Freddie, but was blocked by the fillibuster of Democrats who claimed we did not need it, so just having control of the house and Senate is not always enough when the minority part will use a fillibuster at the drop of a dime to get their way (i.e.judicial nominations).
You also might want to remember that Obama, on behalf of ACORN, successfully sued the federal governement to enact the CRA. The CRA, in a nutshell, forced fianancial institutions to take on risky loans in the name of diversity (Barney Frank and Chris Dodd backed the effort 100%).
Posted by: TrueSoldier on October 5, 2008 09:52 PMhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_el_pr/palin_recharged
Posted by: Crusader on October 5, 2008 10:08 PMBecause Fox News isn't outrageously left-wing biased, thus it is outrageously right-wing biased. But that's not supported by any facts related to their news reporting(like The Fox Report). No pointing out the existence of O'Reilly won't win you any points - he's upfront editorialist.
Posted by: Crusader on October 5, 2008 10:24 PMAnd the freedom of association quip was groundless. What do you want me to say? The last thread's issue was about licensed professionals not doing their jobs, and you made a Godwin-esque comment about Nazis. Brilliant. Did you fail high school debate class?
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 10:28 PMSheesh. You're far more stupid and partisan than I expected.
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 10:31 PM"since being an admiral's son meant that he could crash plane after plane and keep his wings."
You ever flown an aircraft off of a ship?
You ever been in the military?
You ever go to work in your little craphouse cubical and see your friends/associates DIE in the "routine" conduct of their work?
No?
Didn't think so, and your snotty KKK Kos Kid Komments reflect it.
Posted by: Sasquatch on October 5, 2008 10:33 PMYou didn't answer the previous question about whether Scientologist pharmacists should be able to decide not to fill anti-depressant prescriptions. Should other people have veto power when it comes to our own medical care? Should I have to get your permission to get bypass surgery, for example?
And nice job of avoiding the real questions in this thread!
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 10:43 PMOf course, if you were a reasonable, rational member of the military, you'd realize that anyone that crashed planes as much as McCain did should have been grounded. He endangered lives... and no one except for a blatant partisan hack would give him a pass for that.
@51: Nothing new there. Right-wing talking points. Of course, it doesn't look good that McCain takes soft money from companies that benefit from deregulation, while Obama just sat on a nonprofit board with Ayers.
Just another case of Conservative Cognitive Dissonance (CCD), eh?
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 10:51 PMjust incredible ....just incredible.....
"change"....you mean, like that's all we'll have left when there elitist Rats get thru with us...
civil war a'coming.....
*I* answered it, moron. And the answer is "YES." and that answer extends not only to Scientologists, but Zen Buddhists, Church of Monday Night Footballers AND ANYONE ELSE.
There. Is THAT clear enough for you? Do you need me to type a little slower?
Posted by: Hinton on October 5, 2008 11:27 PM*pats self on shoulder*
Posted by: Crusader on October 5, 2008 11:35 PMAnd in terms of "hunting me down for fun"... well... you've been arguing with a liberal that actually believes in gun rights. :)
@59: Wow... so you're willing to let a Scientologist to dictate your medical care? That's great. Good luck with that. Frankly, I'd much rather make sure that my medical choices are made by me, thank you very much.
Typical. Play the whiny victim, eh?
So when have I said that this was exclusively a Christian thing? Are Scientologists Christian, dimwit?
Posted by: demo kid on October 5, 2008 11:39 PMObama is an exceptionally grave threat to national security, and must be stopped.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 6, 2008 06:17 AMAnd? You haven't proved that they're doing anything wrong.
You're a nutjob. I'm glad that American is not listening to the pathetic likes of you for once. Extremists like you would run this country into the ground if they could.
@64: There's a helluva lot mor substance to validate that then the garbage you're "fascinated" with.
More substance? Nice that you haven't disproved anything that I've said. Again... given a pass. Pathetic.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 08:03 AMI said this before it was passed and I'll say it again today. All it did was bring socialism to our system - and at what benefit? Look at the market today, it's under 10,000 for the first time since 2004 even with the bailout.
Congrats - This is what happens when you prop up bad business and force good business to compete against taxpayer backed bad business.
Senator McCain, Senator Obama, and every single person that voted for this bailout should be voted out of office - and in my personal opinion, exiled.
Posted by: Andrew Brown on October 6, 2008 08:12 AMComing from a supporter of the slavery party (Democrat party), i'd say the cognitive dissonance is squarely on your shoulders, not ours. How is you hero/rabid racist KKK grand keagle Robert Byrd D-WV doing these days? or perhaps your murdering senator from Massacussetts? some role models you got in that filthy rotting corpse of a political party wouldn't you agree?
"moral bankruptcy" - Pot, meet kettle
Posted by: Rick D. on October 6, 2008 08:14 AMIn your little irrelevant vignette, you've again proven your delusion. A pharmacist is incapable of "dictating" anything. And for all the good it does you, your stamping your widdle footsie and jumping up and down screaming a falsehood doesn't make it any more true.
And, your continuing failure to address the simplest of all solutions, by letting the prescribing doctor dispense the medication, speaks for itself.
See, dumbo, you're not about solving the problem. You're just about sniveling for left wing politics.
"Yes! Ignore rational challenges to your extreme right-wing worldview. Go right ahead."
Since I have beaten your position to a pulp, the idea that you would consider your views "rational" just shows the self-delusion is a major component of the leftist fringer.
Further, given your proven delusion and intellectual cowardice... not to mention your support of that anti-American racist bigot, it's fairly clear that you wouldn't know "moral bankruptcy" if it bit you in the ass.
I'd say a majority of Americans are not. Looks like McSame is heading for a loss. America is going to blame the Republican led pork Congress and the Bush Administration never meeting a spending bill they didn't like.
The radicals control the press and now have begun organizing the Obama Kids, just like in the past. I thought the video of the younger kids are disturbing from a parent standpoint, but the one of the older kids was chilling. And then Gwen Ifill's book- the Obama era- was equally chilling.
And as far as a "rotting corpse" of a party... enjoy the wake for the Republican Party on November 5th. :)
@68: See, dumbo, you're not about solving the problem. You're just about sniveling for left wing politics.
You're not providing any discussion here of intellectual heft. Doctors are not pharmacists, and to think that they need to do the job of an entirely different profession to ensure that their patients are receiving the proper treatment is a bunch of crap.
Again, it goes back to the idea of who professionals should be working for. If you have problems as a licensed professional filling a written prescription from a doctor, you should be sanctioned or sacked. The role of the government in licensing professionals should extend to ensuring that they do not overextend their moral arrogance into the relationship between doctors and patients.
And as far as "beating my position into a pulp" or my "proven delusion and intellectual cowardice", you're the one that can't seem to make a reasonable intellectual argument to save your life. You're just a damn fool, who would gladly destroy this country if ever given a measure of power over it. I for one am glad that you're not in politics.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 09:35 AMWhen all else fails, whine about bias and not the moral bankruptcy of your own positions. Typical conservative.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 09:38 AMMeanwhile Sen. McCain's top economic adviser Phil Grahm said in July:
"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession...We have sort of become a nation of whiners"
DJIA has decline 2,500 points since then, AIG has been nationalized, several major banks are gone, unemployment heading to 7%. No mental recession here on Main Street.
It's time for America to hold Sen. McCain and the rest of the Republican Party responsible for the mess they've created.
Yeah NBC and Dan Rather. CNN and Iraq when it turned out they said zip about Saddam killing his own.
Or Tailwind that turned out to a a lie in Nam.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 09:43 AMLOL, it's a lot better than that horrible "Hillary for You & Me" video. How many kids got to sing songs about Reagan? Sheesh, look at the primary debate where all the candidates sat in the Reagan Library and tried to out Reagan each other. Can we say Cult of Personality? Obama inspires the Left, much like Reagan did for the Right.
(Or Tailwind that turned out to be a lie in Nam)
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 09:46 AMI know your not real smart... But try reading what demo wrote.
The left wing news was busted for lying. Same as the Dan Rather lie.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 09:52 AM++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What you reading Time mag again? We were already in Combat before LBJ came along. Try JFK.
The war ended the way it did, because Teddy Kennedy push to cut the finds to the South.
Gezz buy a clue.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 10:03 AM
HAHAHAHA, you little man. (kid)
Only a person with your knowledge would post such a foolish statement.
Your age is showing again.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 10:12 AM...But nonetheless, a truth. You're just too blinded by partisanship to recognize anything resembling reality. The last time I checked, Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were not serving in the U.S. Senate and haven't for years. But do continue to propagate your old tired retread of a pathetic Democrat meme.
Posted by: Rick D. on October 6, 2008 10:23 AMWe cannot officially go to war unless Congress votes on it. Congress didn't declare Vietnam a "conflict" (aka a War) until the Gulf of Tonkin indecent. Prior to this we only had "Military Advisers" in the region (much like Russia did Pre-Georgian conflict this year).
The war ended the way it did, because Teddy Kennedy push to cut the finds to the South.
It ended because the people of the USA elected leaders to end the war. China, USSR, and Khmer Rouge would have been more than happy to keep the war and keep going for even longer, bankrupting America and killing thousands more American soldiers.
If is a big word, but if only Obama had been vetted by the press.
Medic, recall that big gap we have with Obama's resume. You know, the one from college to the presidential run a couple of years ago. It was filled in with him being a "community activist" and none of us knew what it was?
Now that I know, thanks to Ayres, Rezko, et al, we now know why the ONE has been silent.
It may be too late to go after this right now- would seem too much like sour grapes- when it should have occurred much earlier.
My cubbymates just don't want to hear about Obama's history right now.
Posted by: swatter on October 6, 2008 10:31 AMThe truth can really hurt right at times.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 10:43 AMWith the Keating Five... he may have been cleared of wrongdoing by the Senate under what they could take action against, but aren't the details of the case important? Isn't it relevant that he exercised "poor judgment" in their opinion, especially since financial regulation is an issue today?
With his ex-wife... well... whether his ex-wife supports his run is irrelevant. I just question the idea that Republicans aren't foul hypocrites for bemoaning the decline of the family when supporting a guy that admits to cheating on his wife with a beer heiress that essentially launched his career with her money.
Face it... your side is notorious for its hypocrisy.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 10:45 AMWRONG... even Duffer will laught at you on this one.
It ended because the people of the USA elected leaders to end the war.
___________________
Wrong again. You may wish to read the Paris Peace Accords of 1972.
Keep trying.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 10:47 AMMy knowledge about the opinions that you express leads me to believe that you're a coward, an ideological hack, and a pretty dishonorable fellow to boot. You are not a reasonable person, nor do you have any true understanding of the rights and freedoms that actual heroes defend on a daily basis.
Is that enough for you? I have not seen any evidence otherwise... so unless you can pony up some proof, I stand by my statement.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 10:49 AMYes, McCain was cleared of all charges in the Keating 5 scandal. Yet McCain's Campaign Director Rick Davis and and Chief of Staff in his Senate office both served in lobbying positions this year at Freddie Mac while working for Senator McCain. Seems kind of like a conflict of interest here, one hand McCain attacks Freddie Mae for bad mortgages while his staff racks up large sums of money from the company in order to influence his opinion in the event that he became President.
I really could care less about his first wife, but divorcing your wife after coming home from war to shack up with a millionaire beer heiress does seem to against the Family Values ticket the GOP has been pushing for the last 25 years. Neither does the out-of-wedlock child that Palin's daughter will be having. Typical Hypocrisy party, do as we say not as we do.
Meanwhile the GOP is on the attack against a candidate who has been married to the same woman for 17 years, both Sen. Obama and his wife worked hard to bring themselves into the American Dream without handouts. Sen. Obama doesn't have a trust-fund baby wife to front him loads of money in order to get himself elected to Congress.
Sen. McCain practically bankrupted his campaign last year in the primary's much like Bush has practically bankrupted America. Meanwhile Sen. Obama has drawn in millions of dollars in small donations just by reaching out to the American people and his campaign has never been close to monetary collapse. I want to elect the guy who is responsible with his money and demonstrated that he/she can use it wisely. That's the kind of President I want running the US Economy.
My knowledge
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That's your problem, the lack of it.
Call me what ever you want little (kid) I've done plenty in my life and I don't care what you may or may not think of it.
Typical lib.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 6, 2008 11:01 AMPosted by: lee on October 5, 2008 11:15 PM
Bring it.
Posted by: jimg on October 6, 2008 11:58 AMHow many times will it take before you understand what it is like to come home from Viet Nam, especially with what McCain went through? This isn't like a paint ball game. Those were real bullets and bombs and real life torture- not like your S&M games you see on TV.
Posted by: swatter on October 6, 2008 11:59 AMit is what it is....
civil war is coming if these fascists get away with it......very sad indeed....
oh, and lets not talk about Tony Rezko or any of the other enablers of Hussien....
Posted by: lee on October 6, 2008 12:12 PMThat empty suited, anti-American racist bigot that YOU support wants to increase spending ANOTHER $800 BILLION.
He THEN claims that "95% of us" will see a tax CUT.
So, tell us, Pacto... where's that $800 BILLION that her wants to spend to buy empty-headed morons such as yourself going to come from?
Tell us. I'm begging you here. Tell us.
Idiot.
Posted by: Hinton on October 6, 2008 12:33 PMHere you go: "Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism"
Yeah, yeah, the heads of our pet loonies will be exploding all over the place. If they willingly open a link that they know will anger them, then they can clean up the gelatinous Koolaid that explodes all over over the forum floor. Personally, Koolaid in any form makes me want to vomit.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 02:02 PMSo, tell us, Pacto... where's that $800 BILLION that her wants to spend to buy empty-headed morons such as yourself going to come from?
Easy. It comes from ending the Iraq war.
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George W. Bush was presided over the collapse of the entire global economy. John McCain isn't going to overcome that albatross around his neck, even with Governor Pretty-Stupid arousing the less intelligent voters.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 02:35 PMAfter you have watched Fox News' racially charged smear campaign against Barack Obama, you might want to watch this 13 minute video about Senator Senile's scandal:
Keating Economics: John McCain & The Making of a Financial Crisis
If this isn't enough information about Senator Senile, Rolling Stone magazine has an excellent article about his history:
I mention this only for historical purposes since there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Senator Senile and Governor Pretty-Stupid are going to win the election.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 02:44 PMThe DEMOCRAT investigator of Keating exhonerated McCain almost years ago. McCain did his unnecessary mea culpa's almost years ago.
Obambi's "questionable" associations are NOW. And if ONE "questionable" association doesn't sink him (like liberals would like ONE (Keating) to sink McCain, then liberals need to explore the sheer volume of Obambi's "questionable" associations.
*The use of the word "questionable" is agenerousosity on my part. Thugs would be good, crooks would be better, criminals would be bes and TERRORISTS would be most truthful.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 02:55 PMAre you stupid?
Governor Pretty-Stupid had some lunatic preacher protect her from witches and Senator Senile is closely associated with the worst president in American history.
Conservatives can play the racist-bigot card whenever they wish but it still isn't going to change the outcome of this election. The Republican party has destroyed Iraq, bankrupted America, and pushed the entire world to a depression from which the planet will never recover.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 03:02 PM1. Pride lacking, race baiting, bitter wife: Michelle Obama
2 & 3. Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The Obamas were regular dinner guests at Rashid and Mona Khalidi's Hyde Park home for years.
4. Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web site Electronic Intifada.
5 & 6. Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
7. Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
8. Father Pflager
9. Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power -- fired after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster."
10. Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley -- fired when it was revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
11. Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts, closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady's web page suddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
12. Tony Rezko -- a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.
13. Jodie Evans, co-founder of Code Pinko a supposed "anti-war" group who gave $600,000 to families of terrorist insurgents in Fallujah Iraq in 2004, is a $50,000 "bundler" of campaign donations for the Obama campaign.
14. Maria Isabel, co-chair of the Houston Obama Leadership Team, of Che poster fame.
15 $ 16. Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panthers
17. Raila Oginga Odinga
18. La Raza
19. Robert Blackwell Jr
20. Franklin Raines
21. Frank Marshall Davis
22. Greg Craig
23 & 24. Monir and Hasam Edwan
25. Ahmed Yousef, a top Hamas official, "hopes" Obama becomes president and compared the Illinois senator to President John F. Kennedy.
26. George Galloway, America-detesting, terrorist-loving, Saddam-smooching British MP
HOW MANY "QUESTIONABLE ASSOCIATIONS" ARE ENOUGH???
AND WHAT'S TEHIR COMMON THREAD???
THEY HATE AMERICA.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 03:24 PM1. Pride lacking, race baiting, bitter wife: Michelle Obama
2 & 3. Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The Obamas were regular dinner guests at Rashid and Mona Khalidi's Hyde Park home for years.
4. Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web site Electronic Intifada.
5 & 6. Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
7. Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
8. Father Pflager
9. Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power -- fired after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster."
10. Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley -- fired when it was revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
11. Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts, closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady's web page suddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
12. Tony Rezko -- a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.
13. Jodie Evans, co-founder of Code Pinko a supposed "anti-war" group who gave $600,000 to families of terrorist insurgents in Fallujah Iraq in 2004, is a $50,000 "bundler" of campaign donations for the Obama campaign.
14. Maria Isabel, co-chair of the Houston Obama Leadership Team, of Che poster fame.
15 $ 16. Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panthers
17. Raila Oginga Odinga
18. La Raza
19. Robert Blackwell Jr
20. Franklin Raines
21. Frank Marshall Davis
22. Greg Craig
23 & 24. Monir and Hasam Edwan
25. Ahmed Yousef, a top Hamas official, "hopes" Obama becomes president and compared the Illinois senator to President John F. Kennedy.
26. George Galloway, America-detesting, terrorist-loving, Saddam-smooching British MP
HOW MANY "QUESTIONABLE ASSOCIATIONS" ARE ENOUGH???
AND WHAT'S THEIR COMMON THREAD???
THEY HATE AMERICA.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 03:25 PMAND I forgot
27. ACORN
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 03:27 PMAnd yet you keep on drinking it. It may be red and not blue, but you keep drinking it.
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 04:00 PMHe needs a clue else he'll lose BIG!
War is all he thinks about and I can not believe he really knows all that much about the war hearing him call Putin the president of Germany..
Just too much for an old man anyway.
You disrespect everything that this country was founded upon. I'd tell you to love it or leave it, but true America-haters like yourself really don't have anywhere to go, I'd imagine. (Maybe China? Perhaps Shanghai Dan will put you up while you work Chinese slave labor to death...)
Posted by: demo kid on October 6, 2008 04:06 PMObama is a grave threat to our national security, and must be stopped.
Oh my, conservatives certainly are extremely stupid, gullible, and easily manipulated people.
I can see why the idiot Sarah Palin is so popular among you people. It also explains why you cling to your fundamentalist religions and guns.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 04:18 PMDavid Matthews: What was "racially charged" about Hannity's report? I didn't see any of that.
God, why are conservatives so extremely stupid? God, you have got to help your children. Where's a witch doctor when we need one to cast the demon of stupidity out of these conservative minds?
Fox News has a long history of racism and bigotry. If you don't notice, Michele, that is only because you are a racist and a bigot.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 04:22 PMPirate, it would be SO hilarious for McCain to make that little speech you suggest about how "dangerous" Obama is and then march off the stage. We could only be so lucky to have a debate that dramatic but sorry, you'll have to settle for Obama kicking McCain's uptight ass.
For every connection you have for Obama, there are probably two of each for McCain (he has been around a lot longer). The Reps should not play that game because Obama does have game and will fight back and hard. It's too late now and unless there is some big security problem (SOS Dick Cheney - help us Dick and manufacture us something!), Obama is going to win.
End of story.
Posted by: westello on October 6, 2008 04:23 PMNAME THEM.
Name even ONE that has carried out a terrorist attack on this country.
Name even ONE that has said God DAMN America.
Really?
Can you say AFFIRMATIVE ACTION????
We'll never know, will we, because Obambi won't release his school records.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 04:40 PMYou'd fail my kid's high school logic class, David.
Posted by: Michele on October 6, 2008 04:44 PMRacism isn't difficult to find, especially here at SoundPolitics, consider the above words of Ragnar-the-Idiot:
Can you say AFFIRMATIVE ACTION????
Ragnar's a stupid racist, as is Michele, and any other idiot who actually watches Fox News as if it were a reliable source of information rather than a 24/7 propaganda machine for uneducated, ignorant, gullible, easily manipulated people such as yourself.
Michele, do you cling to your guns and religion? Sarah Palin represents you so very well!
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 04:46 PMToo bad their now suspended Kansas City teacher didn't have time to teach them to ENUNCIATE and think for themselves.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 04:48 PMYou're damned right I do.
Bring.
It.
On.
I can see that the Sarah Palin represents you well ... intellectually, politically, religiously, culturally and educationally.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 04:59 PMYou'll be crying after November 4th, and not only over the election. You people are going to become extremely impoverished and hopeless in the months ahead. That's what happens when the United States is bankrupt and insolvent.
Posted by: David Mathews on October 6, 2008 05:08 PMI can see that Raoul Castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Saddma Hussein, Yasser arafat ALL represent you well ... intellectually, politically, religiously, culturally and educationally.
Heil! And go to heil.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 05:12 PMKeep chanting that tune, comrade.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 6, 2008 05:16 PMOur form of government goes way back in history.
The Magna Carta, where the English forced the king to submit to law. The Hebrew Torah, IS the basis for all our moral law. All the thoughts and philosophies that Europe struggled to create throughout the reformation and the renaissance have birthed this great form of government.
Let's not throw it all away.
The daughters of the Puritans are not very good at submitting to tyranny.
Posted by: ljm on October 6, 2008 10:47 PMTo make it short, this thread has gotten vile on both sides. I would recommend you all cool it. Chill out!
What is frightening to me is the nasty tone this campaign has taken. This article should raise chills on both sides (see near the bottom). To "whip" a crowd in such a frenzy that you have crowd members chanting "Kill Him" with regards to Obama, to me is over the line. I am fearful with the way this election has gotten that this may actually be carried out by some nut job.
Again, you all need to chill out.
[Now back to my hiatus]
Self-defense trumps all laws, and is always authorized when our country is being attacked. The ACORNholes have infiltrated this thread, and many others in the US, to engage in mortal archetype psychological warfare against the vast majority of us who revere the values that hold our nation together. Now, you can lead, follow, or get out of the way, but to tell us to "chill out" puts you in the enemy's camp. And if you are unfamiliar with that camp, then watch the video Shark just posted.
The watchmen on the walls must warn of danger and mobilize our defense or the blood is on their heads. Bloggers are today's watchmen. By far the largest threat facing our nation today is Obama, AND HIS ARMY (which includes the ACORNholes), who pose an extremely grave threat to our national security, and who must be stopped.
If *you* still want to "chill out," then stay on hiatus, and out of the way. If you want to defend our nation, then get busy.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 7, 2008 08:09 AMIt's laughable that you revere "the values that hold our nation together". If it were up to you, this country would become a police state.
Face it. You're a radical extremist, no better than an American Taliban. The best defense of this country would be to ensure that crazed zealots like you never get to power.
Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 10:44 AMObama, Ayers, Wright, ACORNholes, etc., are, and have been, engaged in espionage against the United States of America and are, ipso facto, considered illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been spies, saboteurs, and espionage agents. The penalties have been indeterminate prison sentences or death.
Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped by exercising our God-given right of self-defense.
Posted by: The Pirate on October 7, 2008 11:55 AMAll the more reason why liberals should also be armed... to defend themselves against the likes of American Taliban such as yourself. You're a shameful example of the worst that this country can provide.
Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 01:16 PMWith WHAT??? Spitballs?
Supreme Commander Comrade o-bomb-a has repeatedly said NYET on guns.
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 7, 2008 02:11 PMHe's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license. ....
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials."
35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of
a. handguns?While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law.
35. Do you support state legislation ???
a. ban the manufacture, sale or possession of handguns?
Yes.
b. ban the manufacture, sale or possession of assault weapons?
Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods with background checks for weapons?
Yes.
And nothing in that post suggests a ban on weapons, just measured regulation. It may chafe for folks that want to go grocery shopping while openly carrying a semiautomatic weapon, but that's tough.
Posted by: demo kid on October 7, 2008 04:43 PMObama, Ayers, Wright, ACORNholes, etc., are, and have been, engaged in espionage against the United States of America and are, ipso facto, considered illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been spies, saboteurs, and espionage agents. The penalties have been indeterminate prison sentences or death.
Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped by exercising our God-given right of self-defense
Back in 1999, Obama called for a laundry list of gun control, including a 500 percent increase in taxes on firearms and ammunition. He called for bans of affordable handguns. He called for mandated "smart gun" technology. He demanded that FFLs not be allowed to maintain their business within five miles of a school or a park. In short, he wanted to regulate the Second Amendment out of existence.
You better start hoarding those spitballs.
Heil O-bomb-a!
