October 01, 2008
Rossi v. Gregoire in Yakima

That was one spirited debate tonight.

Takeaway: these are two candidates who are fired up about this race. They were exceptionally energetic tonight. Even more so than the previous two such gatherings.

Message: Rossi is still most definitely the change agent. He beats the drum at every opportunity, turning every question possible into a chance to communicate a) what's wrong with Olympia and/or b) his approach to fixing it.

If there is something wrong in this state that is not due to the national economic climate then no one told Gregoire. She's a fierce debater, defending her record, and firing back. But she has no forward vision.

Haymakers: Both candidates were on their game. Gregoire as usual was well-armed with stats and figures, refusing to give an inch. Rossi was relentlessly on message, constantly pointing out flaws in Gregoire's administration and pledging to "change the culture of Olympia." No earth shattering one-liners though.

Journalists panel: Barbara Serrano, Managing Editor of the Yakima Herald-Republic led off the questions with a query on how the candidates would have voted on the controversial financial rescue plan in the House on Monday. Amazingly irrelevant to the Governor's race.

Ryan Blethen was...well, Ryan Blethen. Everyone knows why he was on that stage. And it wasn't because of his classy, unshaven look to go with that pinstripe suit.

Other than that the questions seemed relevant. Enrique Cerna was a tolerable moderator.

Pluses for both candidates: Rossi never missed a chance to take even an oddball question and turn it into an answer he wanted to give. A question on nuclear power - not a huge issue in the Governor's race - turned into Gregoire's much-publicized failure to stand up for jobs at Areva in the Tri-Cities.

Gregoire was absolutely loaded for bear on every topic. She didn't quite play the George W. Bush card the same way as she laughably did during their KOMO debate, but she did a nice job of deflecting on the budget deficit (at least rhetorically) and scoring points where she could. Her line about Rossi wanting to "deregulate" health care is very effective for the low-information voter. [Never mind that this state's over-regulation drove health insurers out of large swaths of the state's health care marketplace in the late 1990's - creating a stunning lack of access to coverage. Today, things are only marginally better. But, I digress.]

Minuses for both candidates: Gregoire keeps pumping that damn fist like she's jabbing in a boxing match. It accentuates the sometimes abrasive pitch in her voice. She is not a "likable" candidate.

Rossi's effective use of his time to communicate his message rather than go into great detail on the question asked could be construed by some voters as dodging the question. He was gesturing frequently with his hands tonight, more so than normal. It was probably indicative of his energy level, but I found it distracting.

THE issue: the state budget played a major role in the lion's share of answers. Gregoire is exceptionally vulnerable on it, even though she volleys back gamely when Rossi fires away on that topic. Her defense of her record is rhetorically strong in a debate setting, even as the overall issue is not a winner for her.

"Olympia cuts": Rossi trotted out some examples from the budget he wrote in the state Senate to show where even though he increased the amount of money in education programs from Governor Gary Locke's budget, Gregoire calls it a "cut" because it could have been more. That was an effective parry, and put meat on the bones of the "Olympia cuts" line he uses a lot.

Left unsaid in a lot of this discussion is that all this harping on that Rossi budget means Gregoire is also picking on the Democratic House that passed that budget and the Democratic Governor (Locke) who signed it.

Paging Eastern Washington: After appropriately disavowing the "Don't Let Seattle Steal This Election" signs from BIAW when asked, Rossi went on an interesting riff about the importance of people voting. "I'm the the poster boy for 'every vote counts.'" The point being, people in Eastern Washington who have felt outweighed by Seattle and Western Washington in the past should know how much their vote counts this year.

Bigger point: Rossi won't win if Eastern Washington under-performs in voter turnout like it did in 2004.

Ironic moment: Gregoire, she of the party that howls whenever someone says "Democrat party" instead of "Democratic party" should know better than to say "...GOP, whatever that means..." in the midst of the back-and-forth on the failed Democratic party lawsuit on ballot labels. Like she doesn't know what GOP stands for after being in politics her whole life.

Final thoughts: A vigorous debate, worth watching. Both candidates get high marks for debate performance. Their energy and rhetorical skill were high.

Gregoire debates well and forces Rossi to be in top form too. Yet, the cloud of the looming budget shortfall and the spending that got us there remain an albatross Gregoire can't escape. You can see it in the questions journalists ask. You can see it when Rossi lands some of his best verbal blows.

Watching the closing statements, I was reminded of something Joel Connelly is fond of noting: Washingtonians tend to reward optimistic candidates over those with negative inclinations.

Well, Rossi's closing statement - along with a notable part of his debate remarks - was about what he would do as Governor..."change the culture of Olympia" with the help of the "citizens movement" now fueling his campaign. He welcomed Democrats and Independents alike to join him. In contrast, Gregoire talked all doom and gloom in her closing two minutes, giving the appearance that national economic concerns were all consuming, threatening to smash the state into oblivion despite her heroic work running up a massive budget shortfall "investing" in the state.

Who's the optimist there?

Posted by Eric Earling at October 01, 2008 11:01 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Gregoire's "fist-pointing", if you can call it that, looks very phoney. She needs a new gesture, if she must have one. Better to just get rid of it.

Posted by: Michele on October 1, 2008 11:05 PM
2. I just assumed she trained herself to use her fist rather than one finger.

"I'm just saying"

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 1, 2008 11:18 PM
3. With likability, optimism, strong name recognition and latent resentment over Dean Logan/ Bill Huennekens illegally counting provisionals in 2004, Rossi is the far stronger candidate.

Couple that with Gregoire's budget disaster, her Tribal compact with a huge loss of revenue, and her pessimism and general abrasiveness and you've got a "GOP" win, even in a "Democratic" state.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 1, 2008 11:53 PM
4. Let's face it, Gov Gregoire is simply better at debating than Sir Dino. Of course if substance means anything Rossi had more of it, but for some reason it fails ro resonate against her style and way of speaking. It's the one debate I watched intently from beginning to end - SHE won this battle, war yet to be decided. :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 05:49 AM
5. '..health care is very effective for the low-information voter.'

This seems rather condescending; 'low-information' voters just might be as savvy as 'over-information' voters who may be in a state of over-load distortion. :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 05:58 AM
6. Alas, it's the "low information voter" who will decide both this state's election and the national election.

Posted by: Walters on October 2, 2008 06:11 AM
7. I almost choked on my arugula when the Queen said something to the effect of "A candidate should not have an association with a special interest that controls them" referring to Rossi's BIAW non-connection .

Wow!! the chutzpa to say Rossi is controlled by special interest groups while her marionette strings were clearly visible to anyone in the auditorium.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 2, 2008 06:12 AM
8. I will watch the replay later today, did she admit she lied about inheriting a "Budget Deficit" from Rossi when she took office? Does she understand the substance of her lie?

Posted by: Huh? on October 2, 2008 06:15 AM
9. Hey Duffman~ let's be honest here, 'low information' voters are turnips that usually pick one issue that matters to them and use that as the one deciding factor to elect their represenatives in both Washington's. There is nothing "savvy" about it. It's called ignorance. I know a guy at work who is voting Rossi to spite Gregoire because the Sonics left, but is voting Obama in the presidential election. Is he a 'savvy' voter to you?

Meanwhile, this poor kid reacts to Christine Gregoires speech on her plans for Washington state. Even at a young age, he realizes what this is gonna mean for his pocketbook 20 years from now. Now that's 'savvy'.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 2, 2008 06:39 AM
10. Well (to quote a recent POTUS who had special expertise in 'low'), I guess it all depends on what the definition of 'low' is. Don't you sometimes feel that low discerned information is better than over-processed over-load? If anyone thinks they have 'politics' all figured out because of their 'high' degree of information...there's probably beach-front property awaiting them in AZ. :) [I get your point tho, Rick] :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 06:51 AM
11. ...and, the 'poor kid in the picture' is saying: 'OMG, I thought I was breaking wind...what do I do now?' :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 07:21 AM
12. Many times the 'low information' voter has low turnout. Especially if they are held to 'high expectations' such as showing valid ID prior to voting.
Wonder if Sparky drove over to Yakima to 'speak truth to power' and blame Rossi for underfunding education the last 4 years as she said she wanted. That would be an example of a 'low information' voter in action.

Posted by: Puget Sound on October 2, 2008 07:26 AM
13. Haha...you've summed it up pretty well, Puts. :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 07:32 AM
14. ERIC, PUDGE & JIM.
Please remove David Mathews from this website.
We don't need to be branded as a racist blog because of his words.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Racism is conservatism, conservatism is racism ...

Won't you idiots take responsibility for your own stupid decisions? If you happened to watch all of the home flipping there were plenty of idiot white people speculating based upon the theory that home prices would go up forever, and if you look up the foreclosure statistics you will see that plenty of white people got in way over their head with their mortgage.

Posted by David Mathews at October 2, 2008 04:54 AM

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 2, 2008 07:33 AM
15. She was trumpeting the "we have a surplus now" line over and over again last night, and it was disgusting. That 'surplus' is as fake as a $3 bill.

And someone please help me out with her response to the tribal gaming thing. That was the first I'd heard that the original compact was going to expand off-reservation gaming, and that was why she gave them back the $140 million. Rossi didn't get a chance to respond to that because she had the last word on it.

Posted by: Palouse on October 2, 2008 07:50 AM
16. That's just cover Gov Gregoire.
Under the agreement she still agreed to increase by nearly 5,000 the number of machines.
Why did she veto -we are the only state that doesn't revenue share- when her own Gambling Commission and the Spokane Tribe had already reached agreement on such a plan. $140 mill a year is a substantial amount of money.
And yeah Duff, btw over on the other spot I got locked out for the crime of making 'em look silly. Never did get an answer to my email. (And that was after sending in $50.)

Posted by: Puget Sound on October 2, 2008 08:16 AM
17. @ AM/V - DM has already labeled me a "conservative racist" just for bringing up the point that Obama wants to redistribute my money to his South side chicago consituents where he did his "community organizing". Reminded me of the days when Wilda (aka she who shall not be named)was disrupting the boards with her false racism charges.

I disagree that low-information voters have a low turnout though. I'd say your average voter IS by and large a "low information" voter as they vote for peripherals like "he's got a nice voice", "I love his hair", "he looks honest", etc. Needless to say, I don't hold much esteem for the "average voter" in National or state elections.

Posted by: Rick D. on October 2, 2008 08:27 AM
18. Rick D-
I agree with you... the "low info" crowd will vote in droves. WHY??
Because O-blah-blah has promised them lots of FREE Kool Stuff....like FREE Health Insurance and FREE all the so-called "basics" of life.
O-blah-blah has not so quietly created a "Class Warfare" election. Many of the wealthy Leftists simply cannot see that.

Hard for McCain to fight that....especially during tough economic times where there are plenty of folks trying, but getting tired. You take the "struggling but trying but getting tired" group along with the "we love free stuff" core of O-blah-blah supporters and it's tough to beat right now.

What LEFTISTS don't realize is it takes capital-risking, job-creating businesses being successful in order to create jobs. Most of the LEFTISTS live for government jobs..unfortunately. And that is the other key group O-blah-blah has in his corner...government employees.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on October 2, 2008 08:42 AM
19. Indeed, and that's part and parcel why the latest polls are tracking like they are. If the McCain folks have an 'October surprise' it had better be a doozie! :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 08:49 AM
20. Despite the fact that Rossi won the debate convincingly, the MSM will make sure Queenie gets re-elected. Don't worry about it. This debate just went down the memory hole.

Posted by: Crusader on October 2, 2008 10:03 AM
21. Duffman anywhere here so far:
Having more information to base a decision on just about in any avenue is preferably to less (is there a place where being more informed is not a good idea?). Did you just say more information is worse? How ridiculous.

I really like that blue car. Never mind that it is a blue Pinto with 500,000 miles and completely rusted through. Prone to explosions in low speed rear impact collisions. My favorite color is blue and that's all I need to know.

Your statements on this thread are beyond ridiculous. I don't even know what to call them.

Posted by: MrRcguy on October 2, 2008 10:14 AM
22. #21 Thank you for schoolin me; I was simply saying that more-information can 'sometimes' be as bad as 'less' if it's processed incorrectly and if it's overwhelming to the point of confusion and in certain areas (your car analogy notwithstanding). Move on; don't want to get into a pissin match 'bout it...I like the term 'informed'. :)

Posted by: Duffman on October 2, 2008 10:24 AM
23. The governor seemed pretty flustered and angry after Dino's accusation that she let out a lot of violent felons and three of them killed cops.

I went back and looked at that part again in my Tivo and she clearly breaks character and seems to lose it for a brief moment before gathering her composure.

Dino should keep it up on that point. If he can get her to break character more, her campaign will crumble.

Oh and I thought it was soooo rich that the governor was "concerned" by [Dino's] association with the BIAW as if her quid-pro-quo with the unions isn't one gigantic government largess racket.

Posted by: blindman on October 2, 2008 02:59 PM
24. The governor seemed pretty flustered and angry after Dino's accusation that she let out a lot of violent felons and three of them killed cops

Yeah, I forgot about that. Good point. I can't remember her exact words, but it was a vehement denial. Factually, I don't know what she was objecting to. Unless they all weren't part of the original early release.

Dino should have cited the Seattle Times (especially with Blethen there):

Among those released, at least 21 had been convicted of assault, 15 for drug crimes, nine for burglary, three for rape and one for kidnapping.

Posted by: Palouse on October 2, 2008 03:07 PM
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