September 26, 2008
Dem Ohio Secretary of State Denies Legal Ballot Requests from Republicans
It sounds crazy, but it's true.
Ohio law allows anyone to request an absentee ballot on any piece of paper they wish, as long as they include certain information. You include that information, and it checks out, then you get an absentee ballot. Period. That's the law.
The McCain/Palin campaign has provided forms which has all that information, a form that has been used in Ohio many times in the past. In addition to the required information, there's a checkbox next to the statement "I am a qualified elector." This checkbox has nothing to do with Ohio state law.
But Ohio's Democratic Secretary of State said that the forms shall not be honored if the checkbox is not checked. Even though the box is unneeded, by not checking it voters are essentially admitting they're not eligible, Brunner said.
Perhaps the voter is simply aware of the law that does not require that checkbox? Or perhaps the voter is confused about what "qualified elector" means? Or maybe they've filled it out in the past, and know that it has been accepted without the check?
Her argument is basically that the law requires a "statement that the person requesting the ballots is a qualified elector." She is arguing that if the checkbox were not there, it would be a legal form, but since it is there, it needs to be checked to be legal. Even though the law doesn't require it.
It's absolute insanity. She is an elected Democrat clearly trying to disenfranchise explicitly Republican voters ... and doing so at a huge cost to taxpayers, as the state officials are required to notify each voter who left off the checkbox and mail them a new form.
Thankfully, the McCain campaign is suing her.
(Oh, and if you're a Democrat thinking "well, the Republicans stole Ohio in 2004!," no, in fact, they didn't.)
Cross-posted on <pudge/*>.
Posted by pudge at September 26, 2008
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1. With his recent stunts, John McCain has demonstrated he is too erratic to be President. What he is going to do if he's President and a major crisis hits, suspend the Constitution?
2. it has to be better than the meeting Obama ran yesterday.
3. With his recent off-topic and irrational post, politicjock has demonstrated he is too dumb to comment.
Do you think the dem's are worried?
Pulling stuff like this, doesn't help them. (can you say lawsuit)
5. Frankly, if someone is too stupid to check the box then they are too stupid to vote. I don't care what party they claim to support.
Frankly, their rights are much more important than your judgment of their intelligence.
Further, as I pointed out, people who left it unchecked could have done so because they knew that the law, and precedent, did not require it, in which case there is no demonstration of any lack of intelligence on anyone's part but your own, for making a false assumption.
There is NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT to check the box! The law does not require the box to be checked.
Please try to educate yourself before joining the adults in conversation, OK?
With his recent lacksidaisical response to the greatest economic crisis in teh nation's history, Barack Obama has shown he is does not posess the leadership to handle crisis situations. Obama put his campaign above his country.
The president must have the good sense to know what is important and when to focus on a national problem like a laser beam. Obama failed the test. "Call me if you need me" while our country heads toward a depression isn't leadership, it is laziness.
Can you Believe this..in 2000 it was Count Every VOTE for AlGore!! That chad means Al was Voted for! (except those, you know, "radical" military voters)
In 2004 the strayest of invented marks were counted as yes votes for the Queen.
A non required by law box left unmarked and it is NO SOUP for You.
Dems you hate me, you hate my land, you hate life; get your hypocrisy ladened face outa here.
The constitution is not a place where you hide your schemes to plot the destruction of my land. Live by it or you surely are slashing your own throat. You should be thankful it exists but you hate it and it shows.
10. Please try to educate yourself before joining the adults in conversation, OK?
At what point does basic common sense enter into the equation? You are nitpicking over a stupid checkbox. It is not rocket science. Just check the darn thing. In other words, do what you have to do to make sure your vote counts and not worry about picking fights over a check box.
That is almost as bad as the D's crying over Republican vs. GOP.
11. After following the link and looking at the actual card, I see all sorts of problems with this ruling. Nowhere does the form state that the box is a "checkbox," or that a mark in it is required. if I was filling out this card, I would have taken the box to be some sort of bullet symbol. The only possible purpose of submitting the card would be to request a ballot, with my signature affirming the statement plastered across the top of the form. Checking the box in front of it would seem so redundant as to be silly.
12. There are no lows that they won't go to.
"The McCain campaign says it mailed out about 1 million of the faulty forms"
Poor Republicans, victims of their own incompetence.
14. wow---compare that with the democrats over here: when it's to their advantage they don't even care if you check a box or bubble a circle; they will literally accept a stray mark as a vote (so long as the mark is somewhere near the democrat's name on the ballot, of course)
15. Shouldn't the box have been labeled "qualified voter?" I thought the electors were the people who make up the electoral college. If I am right, then the issue is moot.
16. Shouldn't the box have been labeled "qualified voter?" I thought the electors were the people who make up the electoral college. If I am right, then the issue is moot.
Bob: the Ohio state law says "elector."
RobertSeattle: nice question-begging fallacy. There is no proof the forms WERE faulty.
Vince: no, it's the Democratic Secretary of State who is nitpicking.
Patrick: yep, exactly.
Anyone else remember that the famous "butterfly ballot" that caused so much trouble in Florida was actually designed by a democrat?
I hope this goes straight to the supreme court so that the libs can cry about how SCOTUS stole another election when the liberal idiots get soundly beaten up.
19. Odd, isn't it... the leftist morons posting here say idiotic things like "Frankly, if someone is too stupid to check the box then they are too stupid to vote. I don't care what party they claim to support..." while they seem to forget all about "hanging chads," as in, "Frankly, if someone is too stupid to pull the chad off their ballot, they are too stupid to vote. I don't care what party they claim to support..."
So according to Limbaugh today, Obama and the Democrats tried to exploit the White House meeting yesterday for political purposes. Who is surprised? All the ranking Democrats declined to speak and turned to Obama to make the Democrat statement, and Barack immediately launched into an attack of the House Republican plan that he hadn't even seen, and that hadn't even been presented yet. That is how you show maturity, make friends and close deals? Don't think so.
I heard Barney Frank after the meeting on CSPAN. What a disgrace of a human being he is. Not only is this guy eyeball deep in obstructing attempts to reform Fannie Mae for years, but now he has the gall to get up in front of the cameras and blame everyone else, while trying to allege that McCain was incoherent in the meeting that Obama totally failed to help in, and in fact, poisoned the whole opportunity. Now Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are at the center of trying to fix this mess? You've got to be kidding. They should be run out of Congress for their obstruction of reform that has led to this crisis. In fact, Frank whouldhave been run out of Congress years ago for pressuring colleagues to come to the aid of his homosexual partner caught up running a male prostitution ring out of Franks' congressional office.
As for another Democrat trying to disqualify voters, is that really news to anyone anymore? The only voters Democrats want registered are the folks with no knowledge of what is going on so they can deceive them into canceling out informed voters. That's the foundation American Democrats are working to build this nation on - people who are clueless and misinformed that will buy into the left's lies and vote for Democrats.
21. Where is the topic about the Democrats challenge being denied re: Rossi GOP?
22. Right! McCain is "erradic" for trying to protect taxpayer interests while Nancy Pelosi and Democrats try to hijack our taxes and buy Wall Street for their own little social project. Obviously he MUST BE STOPPED!
23. Reality - they'll simply say it's payback for 2000. They don't even try to hide what they're doing. I've yet to hear Goldy's outrage about this.
Cannot be any worse that what Ken Blackwell did...
25. If you haven't seen this. YES!
Judge rules: Rossi will be listed as GOP (not Republican) on ballot
26. 24. HYPO-nut.
It doesn't say zip. You should try reading before posting.
27. Uh, Medic, when I was asking for a post, I was referring to the main page blog- you know the one pudge and Eric have posting privileges. :)
Ah, I wasn't talking to you?
see post 24.
I read what he put up and it doesn't say zip. That's what I was talking about. (-:
PS. the site is also wiki.
"At what point does basic common sense enter into the equation?"
Never. When it comes to election law, there's LAW that dictates not any version of "sense". Either something is or is not permissible by law.
30. How do you know the application are "from Republicans"? Sound mute anyway - the board just has to send out the applicant a new application.
31. I was joking about post 25 after my post at 21.
32. Now the GOP doesn't want to follow the letter of the law? Give me a break.
You are an idiot. Ken Blackwell IS a minority. Trying to accuse him of "disenfranchising minorities" is ludicrous.
34. Gee, Pacto... what law might that be?
How do you know the application are "from Republicans"?
Not all of them are, certainly, but a HUGE majority of them are, because they come from the McCain campaign.
Sound mute anyway - the board just has to send out the applicant a new application.
That assumes the person will get the application (because mail never gets lost, right?), that they realize they have to return it (after all, they already sent in a legal application), that they do it all in time for the election (because people sometimes go away for weeks, or get busy), and so on.
So no, it's not moot at all. They already turned in a legal request for an absentee ballot, and it is the legal obligation of the state to honor that request.
Cato: Now the GOP doesn't want to follow the letter of the law?
No, again, the Ohio Secretary of State who is disobeying the letter of the law is a DEMOCRAT.