With the AWB Gubernatorial bash on tape delay (you'll have to wait for Sunday evening on TVW), you can review coverage from:
The P-I, the Tacoma News Tribune, the Seattle Times, and PolitickerWA.
It doesn't appear any new ground was covered, and the only new twist is that Gregoire apparently didn't bring up her pet, disingenuous issue of stem cells.
Gee, I wonder why?
Posted by Eric Earling at September 26, 2008 07:28 AM | Email ThisWhy?
I am a patriot. I love this country and owe my life and my fami9ly's very existence to the US.
I was a civil rights activist and am hugely proud of what we all achieved.
Despite its faults, I believe the US has played a role as a moral exemplar to the whole world.
Take all that as you will, I am ashamed of John McCain's behavior. He has taken a proud heritage and placed in the hands of the Atwater/Rove thugs.
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For those of you who will diss this post, I am as patriotic as anyone who calls himself a conservative and often find myself at odds with the left. Bur please, in the interest of what we all hold dear, please look to your own sense of our countrie's needs.
Maybe if the Rovians hear "their" Republican dissatisfaction they will give up programming the once noble American.
Posted by: SeattleJew on September 26, 2008 07:35 AM@5: Again, showing that you're a classy guy. You know that you're really pathetic, right?
Anyway, the campaign run by the governor is simply awful. She hasn't stayed on message, her ads are weak, and she's not hitting back hard against Rossi where it counts. I'm really hoping that anyone working on her campaign never gets a job anywhere ever again.
Unless it's working on a Republican campaign, of course... :)
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 08:17 AMRE: "I will not raise taxes," Gregoire said -- How much will it cost taxpayers if she's lying again?
For months, Gregoire has been using loophole-laden phrases like:
* Gregoire Promise 1.0: "I'm not talking about raising taxes" -- and then she tried:
* Gregoire Promise 2.0: "No one is talking about raising taxes except my opponent" -- then she switched to:
* Gregoire Promise 3.0: "Taxes will only be raised as a last resort." -- and now last night, she upgraded again to:
* Gregoire Promise 4.0: "I will not raise taxes," Gregoire said (Associated Press)
How much will it cost taxpayers if she's lying again?
In 2004, she used the lawyerly "Now is not the time to raise taxes" and that cost us $500 million plus.
Earlier this year at the Hwy 520 press conference, Gregoire said that 'she got the message' from the defeat of last year's Prop 1 in the Puget Sound and that she wasn't proposing higher taxes, instead she's pushing for tolls on 520. The problem is she signed House Bill 1773 this year and it allows tolls to function like taxes.
Quick definitions: a 'toll' is a specific charge for a specific project, 'taxes' can be imposed on anyone and spent on anything. HB 1773 makes tolls the functional equivalent of taxes; I-985 takes the definition of tolls back to the way it's been forever: tolls on a project can only be spent on that project and when the project is done the toll is removed.
Like any trained lawyer, Gregoire uses words not to illuminate but to obscufate. How much will it cost taxpayers if she's lying again?
http://www.ReduceCongestion.org
Posted by: Tim Eyman, I-985 co-sponsor, www.ReduceCongestion.org on September 26, 2008 08:17 AMFirst, I appreciate your patriotism. In whatever form you define it as.
Second, you need your own blog. You are using this one to post your mussings. And it has gotten old.
Please, if you are going to insist on addressing the group, make it relevant to the topic.
How about this rule? If the original contributor doesn't mention Karl Rove, you can't. If it about the governors race, leave Washington DC politics out of the thread.
You need to understand this. You are not contributing anything by making slanderous, irrelevant statements. You are being rude, annoying and creating a hostile response towards you.
If you ignore this attempt at help, you will continually get literarilly (word?) beat down, and from what I've read in the past, quite violently and with great passion and satisfaction.
If you continue, I will assume you enjoy the attention and beatings and will ask that you seek professional help. There are people out there who are trained to assist you. I suggest you utilize their services before you cause yourself further harm. It is not healthy to act in the manner you do.
Posted by: Chris on September 26, 2008 08:22 AMEffectively, you're partly to blame for this budget crisis. If you were half the principled budget warrior you made yourself out to be, you'd be actively campaigning against initiatives to increase spending, just as much as initiatives to decrease revenue for the government.
You're just another fiscally irresponsible conservative, selfish to the core.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 08:25 AMThis is the same minimum wage that Dino Rossi wants to cut for our kids, which includes my kid. When Governor Gregoire says Dino Rossi is out of touch with our state's values, that's just what she's talking about. Dino Rossi wants to cut your kid's salary.
Dino is going down. We are going to shove this one right up his you-know-what, and all you drooling idiots can do about is is pound the walls of your padded cells -- that is, if they undo your straitjackets.
Posted by: ivan on September 26, 2008 08:51 AMActually, by that argument every single pro-war Republican (and Democrat) should have invaded Iran on their own, right?
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 09:22 AMAnd how exactly does taxation come into play with that? Stick to the relevant topics, man.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 09:26 AMThis is what Dino Rossi wants to undo. He wants to let employers pay younger workers less. He said so, and the three newspapers that Eric linked to all reported it.
Do you defend this? I'm talking about this particular item, not some wild, unhinged right-wing anti-tax screed.
Let's see Dino squirm his way out of this one, and let's see you tards defend him.
I am as disinterested in what you think of me as you're concerned with my thoughts of you. I heap scorn of any and all kinds on Queen Chrissy the Olympic Hooker because she richly deserves it.
As far as that goes, given that you spew 10 words or so for everything that Eyman may post here, that YOU would call HIS posts "spam" is just a little more of that delusional hypocrisy you're known for.
Your moronic assertion that Eyman is in any way responsible for the pathological spending habits of the leftist nutters generally, and Queen Chrissy the "I won't raise your taxes, I'm running on stem cell research" Lying Hypocrite is a solid crock of Grade A horse poop.
Eyman hasn't written one line of any state budget. Your continued efforts to deflect responsibility from the leftist scum you so admire would be pathetic if it weren't so laughable.
Take our favorite moron, ivan. Yes, 66% of the people may have voted for the minimum wage increase. But a majority of the people of this state have voted for many initiatives and referendums that ivan would get rid of in a second.
Unless, of course, he now supports the Eyman initiatives that have passed along with others... like, say, I-695, or, say, the referendum that got rid of that institutional racism known as affirmative action?
In fact, I bet that if the people of, say, South Carolina were to approve an initiative bringing back slavery, ol' ivan would support that just as strongly as I-688, right?
Of course not. Leftist scumbags like ivan are simply incapable of applying the same standard to themselves and their candidates that they attempt to apply to those opposing them.
The situational ethics these leftists engage in when it comes to initiatives makes me blow chunks.
Posted by: Hinton on September 26, 2008 09:28 AMFunny, too, that I never quite hear about Tim Eyman actually trying to make a positive contribution to society. His only contribution is to keep himself from paying taxes, like some sort of Chicago School Don Quixote.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 09:33 AMJust maybe Ivan thinks minimun wage should be 20 bucks per hour? heck it's only fair.
Gezzzzz. )-:
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on September 26, 2008 09:34 AMEyman is right..
Gregoire said this last night:
"I won't raise taxes in tough economic times. We're not going to be raising taxes,"
What in the hell does that mean???
Sounds like more double-talk to me.
How does Gregoire define "tough economic times".
Rossi is clear...no tax increases.
Gregoire always gives these wiggly, slimey answers that leave Cynical people like myself even more Cynical considering Gregoire's past lies about tax increases.
Rossi did fine last night. Better than fine.
Watch for yourselves.
Situational political ethics. The hallmark of the rank leftist.
Posted by: Hinton on September 26, 2008 09:39 AMDisagree with whomever you like on policy, strategy, whatever. Only someone with a complete lack of character calls any woman a "hooker" to get his point across. So much for being a member of "the party of adults", eh?
Your moronic assertion that Eyman is in any way responsible for the pathological spending habits of the leftist nutters generally, and Queen Chrissy the "I won't raise your taxes, I'm running on stem cell research" Lying Hypocrite is a solid crock of Grade A horse poop.
Government budgets have largely kept pace with state income, with some increases due to postponed increases in mandated expenses. That's a fact, and you haven't disproven it. Similarly, shortfalls are due to the fact that revenue sources are being cut off by Tim Eyman et al. Another fact, and you haven't disproven it. The only thing that you've shown (besides your utter stupidity) is that you have a rabid and unreasonable hatred of left-wingers, and you're willing to forsake reason, swallow right-wing talking points, and forego rational thinking.
You're absolutely right that the stem cell debate is garbage, though. I'd be firing my campaign manager if I were her.
Eyman hasn't written one line of any state budget. Your continued efforts to deflect responsibility from the leftist scum you so admire would be pathetic if it weren't so laughable.
He doesn't need to with the power of citizen's initiatives and an army of willing dupes at his disposal. Initiatives are government mandates, you know.
Yes, 66% of the people may have voted for the minimum wage increase. But a majority of the people of this state have voted for many initiatives and referendums that ivan would get rid of in a second.
Great! Then we're in agreement... the minimum wage increase is law and should be followed.
Unless, of course, he now supports the Eyman initiatives that have passed along with others... like, say, I-695, or, say, the referendum that got rid of that institutional racism known as affirmative action?
There's a wide difference between supporting an initiative and following the law. Surely you must know that.
In fact, I bet that if the people of, say, South Carolina were to approve an initiative bringing back slavery, ol' ivan would support that just as strongly as I-688, right?
And I suppose that if you were in charge of writing initiatives, we'd be getting a whole lot worse. Your whiny metaphor about Democrats and slavery is far outmatched by your own real-life exploitation of slaves.
Of course not. Leftist scumbags like ivan are simply incapable of applying the same standard to themselves and their candidates that they attempt to apply to those opposing them.
What standards? You haven't mentioned any standards that he's not applying here. Has he mentioned overturning the property tax cap? No. Stay on topic, man. I know it's too much for your dim misogynistic brain to handle, but at least try.
The situational ethics these leftists engage in when it comes to initiatives makes me blow chunks.
What is even worse about right-wing situational ethics is that they claim up and down that the world is a very black-and-white place, which makes it very amusing when they're proven wrong and need to justify their contortions and excuses.
Posted by: demo kid on September 26, 2008 09:57 AMBehind it is the desire to manipulate yet another election.
Rossi needs to "man up" or he won't even get close to winning.
Posted by: Independent Voter on September 26, 2008 10:03 AMIvan, You don't get to define "we are talking about one thing and one thing only, the minimum wage." You are a lifelong blow-hard who hasn't produced anything of value to society and you prove it here on a daily basis. I understand your point about minimum wage but Rossi is doing you a favor with his proposal since no one in their right mind would pay you as much as minimum wage for your efforts in a open market. You could use a graduated minimum wage, oh that's right you don't actually work do you.
Posted by: Smokie on September 26, 2008 10:31 AMWell, we are talking about a particular situation here. Rossi has asserted that we should have a lower minimum wage for younger workers, and Hinton, with his usual and predictable frothing at the mouth, is trying to drag all kinds of other stuff into it and whining about "situational ethics," as if I am somehow obliged to discuss what *he* wants to discuss.
Problem with that is, Rossi himself has injected this issue into the campaign. Concrete-heads like Hinton will vote for Rossi anyway; their votes are counted. But Rossi, through his appeal to the greedheads who finance his campaign, has just cost himself however many minimum-wage youth will vote, and probably the votes of parents whose kids are working for minimum wage.
Other initiatives mean little to nothing in the context of this election. Rossi stepped on a land mine last night, and it's our job to blow him to bits. All Hinton's raving is just a sideshow, like a geek swallowing a lizard to amuse the rubes.
Sooner or later Pudge will get on here and call us liars. 10-9-8-7-6 . . .
You probably can find enough sources to show you are not intentionally lying.
But you are a hypocrite.
If you were to apply the same thinking about sticking it to Gregoire as you do to Dino, this wouldn't be an issue. You would be apoplectic towards her. Her "landmine" stepping is well documented and has astronomical impact to this state. Have you even read the transcripts or heard the audio of what Dino said? Sure you are not taking something way out of context? I haven't so I do not know.
And if you think this is that big of an issue to voters, you are not only hypocritical, you are stupid. This ranks on the giveashit meter at the same level as stem cell research. Besides, do you know how many people actually get paid minimum wage? I don't. But I cannot find people to hire that will work for minimum wage. I have to pay more.
Posted by: Chris on September 26, 2008 10:52 AM
A team of Boston scientists announced that they have developed a safe way to generate pluripotent stem cells (iPS) that are functionally similar to embryonic stem cells, but are derived from adult cells. A previous technique had a cancer risk.
Go read my statement to SeattleJew at 11.
This is about the governors race you idiot.
Got anything for that?
Posted by: Chris on September 26, 2008 11:34 AMI see you like the initiative about minimum wages, and that Government should respect the will of the people.
So how about I-601? Or I-747? Same kinds of feelings there? Or does the will of the people only matter when it is aligns with the Slavery Party meme?
And why should the minimum wage in Colville be the same as in Ballard, when the cost of living is 4X different? Why not set it to a "living wage" in Seattle, $20 per hour, for the entire State?
Minimum wage laws are insane, a waste of economy, and hinder growth. A one-size-fits-all wage for a region as diverse as Puget Sound, let alone Western Washington or the entire State is absurd. The cost to live in Chehalis is vastly lower than the cost to live in Laurelhurst; the cost in Forks is well below that for Medina; the cost to live in Twisp is several times lower than Woodway.
I assume God gave you a brain; try using it once in a while!
Slavery Party Kid managed to put down:
And I suppose that if you were in charge of writing initiatives, we'd be getting a whole lot worse. Your whiny metaphor about Democrats and slavery is far outmatched by your own real-life exploitation of slaves
Uhh, Hinton's not the "exploiter of slaves" - I thought I was! Did you not forget who gave you the handle Slavery Party Kid? I'm offended! I'M THE EXPLOITER, I'M THE LABELER! Go that straight? :)
Only someone with a complete lack of character calls any woman a "hooker" to get his point across.
Main Entry: pros�ti�tute
Pronunciation: \ˈpr�s-tə-ˌt�t, -ˌty�t\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pros�ti�tut�ed; pros�ti�tut�ing
Etymology: Latin prostitutus, past participle of prostituere, from pro- before + statuere to station � more at pro-, statute
Date: 1530
1 : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2 : to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase
Seems that the former attorney general - with her giveaway to the tribes - fully qualifies for definition number 2.
I guess your beef is with the English language, then?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 26, 2008 12:41 PMSIXTY-SIX percent of the voters in this state say you are batsh*t crazy. Would you care to dispute that figure?
Initiative 688 passed in every county of the state. Would you care to dispute that?
Your candidate wants employers to be able to pay my kid and everybody's kid less than they have to pay them now. You think parents in Colville will like that any more than parents in Seattle like it?
You're a fringe wacko, your candidate for governor is a fringe wacko, your candidate for vice president is a fringe wacko who consults witch doctors from Africa, and you lot are going DOWN in this election.
Call me names if it makes you feeeeeeeeeeeeeel better. Outpatients like you always benefit from therapy like that. I understand.
Posted by: ivan on September 26, 2008 01:16 PM
Despite a superficial resemblance, the substance of the 1998 initiative is not relevant to what Rossi is suggesting. The initiative didn't ask voters whether they approved of a graduated minimum wage based on age or locale. They were asked if they wanted to increase the one they already had, by specific amounts for the following two years, and pegged to the cost of living thereafter.
To assume that everyone who voted for the 1998 initiative would today oppose the reforms suggested by Rossi, is like asking someone what their favorite fruit is, and because they say "oranges," assuming that "orange" is also their favorite color. The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Posted by: Patrick on September 26, 2008 02:59 PMJust quit.
Posted by: Chris on September 26, 2008 04:28 PMGreat, so I can count on your support for I-200, I-601 and I-747? Fundamentally you either accept the voice of the people or you don't. Slavers like you believe the people's voice should only be listened to if it aligns with your own Marxist policies.
Which party has tried to start legislation to eliminate the right of the people's initiative? It's your own Marxist Slavery Party.
But that's OK, you just suck off the public teat, so whatever is good for Government is good for Ivan, regardless of the general populace! They exist only to serve your needs, right?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 26, 2008 06:45 PMI'm not a quitter.
By promoting your lazy, liberal ideals and focusing on your hate and bigotry, you have given up. You lack drive to succeed and ride on the coattails of others. You have yet to have a contribution that shows thoughtfulness or any desire to find truth. You requrgitate the statements of others, only to add your own venom to the message.
If you really had any inkling of honesty within, you would try to understand a concept before attempting to use it (as has been shown most recently by your statements on I-688). By limiting yourself, you only help perpetuate the stereotype that liberals are lazy, misinformed individuals who could not survive on their own.
ivan, being a jackass on SP and constantly returning for more smackdowns does not make one a non-quitter.
Posted by: Chris on September 26, 2008 10:07 PMYou're really an ignorant bastard, you know that? If you don't know it, I'm telling you now.