September 17, 2008
Vile Violations Of Privacy

Michelle Malkin has the story.

Scroll for update . . . Wired News confirms . . . McCain camp responds: "This is a shocking invasion of the Governor's privacy and a violation of law.  The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these emails will destroy them.  We will have no further comment" . . . the feds are investigating. . .

Sometime early this morning, between approximately 3:00am - 4:00am, members of an infamous group of hackers broke into Gov. Sarah Palin's private Yahoo e-mail account.  The incriminating discussion threads included screenshots of Palin's e-mail and private e-mail addresses of her contacts.  The threads have since been deleted.
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The Gawker smear machine — see here for all the background you need — has posted private family photos of Palin's children that were apparently stolen from the e-mail account.

They have used Bristol Palin's illegally obtained private cell phone number from her mom's private account, recorded her voicemail message, and posted it on their website.

They have reprinted her husband Todd's private e-mail address and son Track's private e-mail address.

I can understand someone looking at Palin's private email to see if she had used it for public purposes.  I wouldn't agree with that, but I can understand it.   But her kids and her husband?  That's vile.

One of the strongest arguments against electing Barack Obama, and other leftists, is the often vile behavior of some of their supporters.  Those supporters have just reminded us of that important point.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

Posted by Jim Miller at September 17, 2008 04:37 PM | Email This
Comments
1. There should be some long prison sentences being handed out! This is getting out of hand.

Posted by: Petegoud on September 17, 2008 04:51 PM
2. Haha, reminds me of the time someone hacked the George Bush's website on election day in 2004. Something tells me it wasn't all that hard to guess her password.

Meanwhile Gov. Plain is still dodging Troopergate and having the GOP try to shut down a perfectly legit bi-partisan investigation into her purported power abuse.

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 04:52 PM
3. These animals think it's cute to steal peoples mail. These liberals are out of control and are rapidly approaching apoplectic. I hope the justice department throws them in jail.

Posted by: ripsnorter on September 17, 2008 04:58 PM
4. It doesn't surprise me. Liberals love to break the law. They violate people's privacy; they break into buildings and destroy private property; and they steal (Sandy Berger). Lie, cheat, and steal should be the motto of the liberals.

Posted by: Thomas B. on September 17, 2008 05:00 PM
5. So, Pacto... you seem to think this is funny. And that confirms what we all already suspected:

You are a real, genuine, cowardly scumbag. Congrats, you leftwing pig.

Posted by: hinton on September 17, 2008 05:03 PM
6. These liberals are out of control and are rapidly approaching apoplectic.

How do you know the hackers were liberals or even American's for that matter? http://mail.yahoo.com is a public site that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. While I don't agree with what the hackers do find it amusing how quick you are to place blame without knowing anything at all about the perpetrators.

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 05:04 PM
7. These LEFTIST PINHEADED KLOWNS plunged the harpoon into O-blah-blah's gut!
These are the same idiots that scream profusely how their rights have been violated.
Obama is D-O-N-E!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on September 17, 2008 05:05 PM
8. America, let me introduce you to the vile, bitter, hate-filled Left. Dem behavior will resonate and McCain/ Palin will win in November.
What a bunch of headless chickens the Dems are!!

Posted by: Attila on September 17, 2008 05:14 PM
9. So much for the "tolerant and inclusive" left. Here in Bellevue at the intersection of 124th and NE 8th there is a 4x6 McCain sign that has been torn down once and after being replaced, defaced at least three other times. Meanwhile Obama signs remain intact elsewhere in the area. I have had vulgarities written in the dust on my car because of a Rossi sticker. I know neighbors are afraid to put up GOP yard signs because of vandalism concerns.
Should we just shelve our 1st Ammendment Right until after the election?
The line between red and blue is sharper than ever.

Posted by: Paul on September 17, 2008 05:15 PM
10. Where's the Secret Service?

These people should be in prison immediately.

Posted by: John Bailo on September 17, 2008 05:20 PM
11. America, let me introduce you to the vile, bitter, hate-filled Left. Dem behavior will resonate and McCain/ Palin will win in November.

All web hackers are American leftists? LOL, gotta love the Conservatives are so quick to cast judgment on anything that goes bad for them as a product of the Leftist Dem's. Talk about being mentally deranged. =P

Matthew 7:1-2
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 05:22 PM
12. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

So, Pacto... besides having earned the label of "cowardly scumbag" and "left wing pig," we can now add "rank hypocrite" to the list of descriptors that apply to you.

Each and every post of your vile filth reeks with judgment... and that doesn't stop you, scumbag.

Posted by: hinton on September 17, 2008 05:28 PM
13. The group that did calls themselves "Anonymous" and started at a website called 4chan.org (nsfw). It's the same group behind Scientology protests.

These people aren't liberals, they're the kind of people who throw around racial and sexist epithets around at everyone. A group of dumb kids, basically, who want to cause trouble.

More accurately, the denizens of 4chan would identify themselves as Ron Paul supporters, not liberals.

Posted by: M. Sanchez on September 17, 2008 05:30 PM
14. Cato, it really doesn't matter who did it at this point.

The damage is done and Obama is going to have to address it, in an attempt to distance himself from what is a criminal act designed to denigrate his opponent (regardless that he has no control over these nutjobs).

Even you have to admit that this doesn't make him or his party look good. It makes his supporters look like bullies and Palin and her family victims of what appears to be a concentrated smear effort.

Posted by: Smoley on September 17, 2008 05:38 PM
15. Cato obviously has his head up his book, varse and chapter. Just exactly who are the quicker at yelling foul when things aren't going their way? His/Her/Their response is ample indication. Hackers are law breakers and therefore liberal by definition.

Posted by: JTC on September 17, 2008 05:39 PM
16. M. Sanchez - There is still some uncertainty about the person (or people) who did the hacking. There is no uncertainty, I repeat, no uncertainty about Gawker publishing this material.

And what kind of people run Gawker? Sleazy leftists. Not a McCain supporter among them.

Posted by: Jim Miller on September 17, 2008 05:45 PM
17. The damage is done and Obama is going to have to address it, in an attempt to distance himself from what is a criminal act designed to denigrate his opponent.

Why should he? It doesn't affect him one way or the other.

I did notice is that Sen. Obama did not allow Lindsy Lohan to attend his fundraiser after her crass statements about Gov. Palin. That's something Obama can do, what the he cannot do is tell anonymous web hackers not to do something. That's just plain silly.

Even you have to admit that this doesn't make him or his party look good.

No, that's a real stretch of the facts. Yahoo is a public site that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. To claim the hackers are Liberal or even American is a stretch of the known facts (which are scant at best).

Palin and her family victims of what appears to be a concentrated smear effort.

LOL, smear effort? Like the one the GOP is running against Sen. Obama (I hear he's a Muslim who doesn't wear a flag pin)? Ahh the Hypocrisy Party at it's finest.

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 05:54 PM
18. Cato's lies:

Claimed Levi Johnston was a rapist by Alaskan Law. When confronted to prove it, he selectivey quoted a sentence of rape law when in fact when the entire text reveals the intercourse was perfectly legal in Alaska.

Claimed Seattle Times endorsed Bush in 2004.

Makes stuff up out of thin air, no facts, no proof.

Posted by: pbj on September 17, 2008 05:55 PM
19. Ahh PBJ, how's life up on the Aryan Nation compound?

1) Levi Johnson is considered a rapist by AZ law
2) Seattle Times endorsed Bush in 2000

Thanks for playing,
Cato

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 06:09 PM
20. Whether Cato understands or not, Obama will be hurt by this attack. Voters understand that although no Leftist groups are necessarily connected to Obama or to each other, it is their common philosophy that binds them all. Voters will remember which side slashed tires, burned down ski resorts, poured paint on doorsteps, said vile things about Palin, posted Palin's email, etc. There's a clear trend. And it reflects on Obama as the de-facto party head. It only takes a small percentage of Americans who are disgusted with the Left and behavior of many of its adherents to swing the election to McCain.

And that's why Cato spends so much time here. Most folks here don't waste their time at HA. But Cato wastes a lot of time here. The left is worried.

Posted by: Jeff B. on September 17, 2008 06:14 PM
21. Voters will remember which side slashed tires, burned down ski resorts, poured paint on doorsteps, said vile things about Palin, posted Palin's email, etc

If Gawker got Obama's emails I'm sure they would post it too, it's that kind of company. Looks like you're confusing the acts of random individuals with politicians. Last it checked saying vile things about Palin is covered by the first amendment.

It only takes a small percentage of Americans who are disgusted with the Left and behavior of many of its adherents to swing the election to McCain.

Yeah, and when they see the truth behind the Governor who fired her former brother-in-law out of vengeance and then lied / made excuses about it all while trying to dodge a legal bi-partisan investigation into her actions. Maybe when Americans realize she nationalized a private company and subscribes to teaching kids that the world is merely 6000 years old they will realize this is not the person we want a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I know I don't.

Most folks here don't waste their time at HA. But Cato wastes a lot of time here.

Why would I post on a site full of ditto heads, that's boring. Oh wait, that's you! =P

Posted by: Cato on September 17, 2008 06:32 PM
22. Obama supporters will do anything illegal or immoral to support their candidate.

But then again, Obama has no problem letting newly born babies die, so as to protect leagal rights of abortion doctors, so it follows his supporters are as moral as him.

Posted by: bigdawg on September 17, 2008 06:37 PM
23. Don't feed the troll. He's been proven a liar and that's that. Ignore the lad.

They have very sophisticated ways of tracking the hackers. The most famous of hackers have been caught and the mutts that did this were most likely not even close to the same league as the ones that got sent up the river like Kevin Mitnick, et al.

It will all come out in the wash now that the federal government will have full jurisdiction over the matter. While McCain/Palin are finishing up their second term in office, these kiddies will still be dating their 6'5" cellmate Bruno and enjoying all the amenities of Federal prison. Sites that knowingly posted illegal material will also likely suffer legal consequences for their actions as well. So, while the trolls enjoy this short term giddyness, rest assured it's only fleeting. The same people cackling about this will be calling the suicide prevention hotline on November 5th.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 17, 2008 06:45 PM
24. Obama's thug surrogates are at it. This act is a federal crime and those who did it should be prosecuted and put on display.
Obambam cannot control them - he is becoming pathetic. Besides being a race-baiter with his commercials in Spanish and with pathetic Governor Sebelliius, he has jumped the shark. He has truly shown most clear thinking people (excepting Cato and the other moonbats) how dangerous an Obama presidency would be.

After folks have had a chance to absorb all of the despicable acts from him and his followers, his ratings will be going down.

Posted by: KS on September 17, 2008 06:45 PM
25. Cato's lies:

Claimed Levi Johnston was a rapist by Alaskan Law. When confronted to prove it, he selectivey quoted a sentence of rape law when in fact when the entire text reveals the intercourse was perfectly legal in Alaska.

Claimed Seattle Times endorsed Bush in 2004.

Makes stuff up out of thin air, no facts, no proof.

Posted by: pbj on September 17, 2008 06:47 PM
26. All indicators, by all accounts point to an Obama camp dirty trick.

Posted by: By All Accounts on September 17, 2008 06:51 PM
27. PBJ,

Even more lies from the Cato Creep!

Yeah, and when they see the truth behind the Governor who fired her former brother-in-law out of vengeance and then lied / made excuses about it all while trying to dodge a legal bi-partisan investigation into her actions.

Cato, you ignorant slut. The trooper - Palin's brother in law - was NOT fired. In fact, no one was fired, period. But being the lying, amoral cretin that you are, you'll make stuff up just to try to further the baby killing Slavery Party agenda.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 17, 2008 07:17 PM
28. The hackers and publishers must be punished. Call the White House and demand an immediate FBI investigation. Jurisdiction: interstate commerce/internet, civil rights, and attempting to interfere with a federal election.

White House switchboard: 202-456-1414
White House comment line: 202-456-1111

Sarah was fantastic in her first Hannity interview on Fox. She's sure an all-American. Her adversaries are equally all-unAmerican. What a clear choice: Sarah the Jedi Master against Obama the Sith.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 07:24 PM
29. Actually, Pirate it would be the Justice Department, the Attorneys General of Alaska and the US and the FBI

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 07:31 PM
30. Cato, Gov. Palin did not fire her ex-brother-in-law out of vengeance. In fact, he's still employed as an Alaska Highway Patrolman. He did taser his stepson. He did illegally shoot a moose. He denies drinking in his patrol car, but he an investigation found him guilty on that charge. He served a five day suspension. I just saw the interview he did on CNN. He bears no ill will towards the Palin family. So please, try to get your facts straight.

Posted by: Paula on September 17, 2008 07:36 PM
31. The Web Site should also be held accountable because I believe that by posting the E-mails on their site constituted a Federal crime.

Posted by: Gil on September 17, 2008 07:40 PM
32. Ragnar,

This will be a very political decision by President Bush. Justice and the AG's won't move without his imprimatur, and immunity. Under normal circumstances you would be correct, but this investigation has the potential of going to Obama the Sith himself. The President, et al., will weigh the political aspects vis-a-vis McCain and Sarah, but, nonetheless, the President must be "encouraged."

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 07:54 PM
33. Nonsense.

Bush has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is foremost a crime against a public official, a sitting governor, hence the Attorney General of Alaska and the US Attorney General and FBI because she is the vice presidential candidate.

Bush would be a distraction, he would be accused of playing politcs. He has no need, no right, to be involved in this matter AT ALL.

This is a criminal issue, not a political one, although it does have political implications.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 08:01 PM
34. Wow, this cato guy is a certified tin foil hat wearing moonbat. He's a little delusional. First he tries to rationalize that yahoo is a public site and hence if hackers get info, then it's legal. I guess the state doesn't need a search warrant since yahoo is a public site according to his logic. Then he makes a weak attempt to say it wasn't liberals, even though it ended up on a ultra liberal website pretty quickly. Then he makes up stuff that have no relevance. Wow... whoever said that pot doesn't mess up your brain hasn't met cato.

Posted by: Thomas B. on September 17, 2008 08:09 PM
35. Sorry Ragnar, I've been a prosecutor and you don't know what you're talking about. Now call the White House and stop yapping.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 08:10 PM
36. Perhaps you DO know Pirate, I have no quarrel with that. However, I don't think the political damage of injecting Bush into this is worth it.

Alaska AG should be the one getting the ball rolling... then feds involved from there.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 08:16 PM
37. @ 31 ~ if they posted Piper Palin's e-mail (I doubt she has one at her age, but who knows) or Willow Palin's before she turned 13, they could have been charged under the Child Online Privacy Protection Act of 2001. I haven't seen anything regarding personal photos illegally obtained, and featured by a website knowing they were obtained illegally, as being a criminal violation. However, there could be be some local,state guidelines prohibiting such material from being posted,and I hope it is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Liberals talk about the "politics of personal destruction" even though they themselves often excell at it and often take it to new heights (or lows in this case).

I much prefer Palin's daughter Piper's sense of sisterly duty as she makes sure Trig is properly groomed for the RNC convention. This should shame any liberals still believing that attacking the Palin family is somehow engaging in "liberal family values"....then again, maybe it is.


Posted by: Rick D. on September 17, 2008 08:28 PM
38. In sensitive cases like these, everything the executive does is sub rosa with plausible deniability, but legal in all respects. Justice has no independent discretion here; they may pretend they do, but they really don't. Everything is orchestrated from the top, as it should be. Call the President.

It may seem redundant: Everyone be sure to register to vote, and vote the Republican slate of candidates.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 08:29 PM
39.
Ha! What's really funny is that over at Wonkette and other slime blogs, they are really furious that nothing in the e-mails is "pay dirt". And as far as privacy goes, these are the same people squealing like pigs over legislation covering surveillance and phone tapping! What in the world are they worried about, anyway? They are the folks who walk around with ear buds, looking like Borgs from Star Trek episodes, or with a regular cell phone permanently glued to the side of their heads. We are living in an age where no matter where you go, to the mall, in line at the grocery store, in public lavatories, in waiting rooms, on street corners, there are people loudly and publicly vocalizing private, sometimes intimate details of their lives to everyone around them, many of them folks who really would rather not hear. And they're trying to tell us there is a huge concern about phone surveillance? Give us a break!

Posted by: katomar on September 17, 2008 08:33 PM
40. FBI spokesman Brian Hale said, "The FBI is aware of the alleged hacking incident involving Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and is coordinating with the United States Secret Service on the matter."

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 08:40 PM
41. Hmmm, I don't think the hackers are conservatives. Just a hunch. My guess... DailyKos commies who don't need "The Patriot Act" to abuse people's rights. They think that just being liberals gives them "moral license" to break laws, trample conservative's rights, and violate all sense of decency. Ends justify the means when you are a Marxist. That's what this is, Marxism on parade. This is right out of an Ayn Rand novel.

Posted by: scott on September 17, 2008 08:41 PM
42.
FBI Spokesman Eric Gonzalez in Anchorage, Alaska confirms to CNN an investigation is underway.

"We are aware of the allegations and we are coordinating with Secret Service as far as the allegation that someone has hacked into Governor Palin's personal e-mail account," he said. "We are going to be working a joint investigation with Secret Service on this."

Brian Hale, an FBI spokesman in Washington, also confirms the FBI has been contacted about the incident. Two federal law enforcement sources say the FBI and Secret Service would have concurrent jurisdiction normally on a matter such as this, but it remains to be seen if the Secret Service will take the lead on the investigation because Palin is a protectee.

EXACTLY appropriate.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 08:43 PM
43. @ 37. Rick D., I see Piper in my daughters when they were her age, and I will protect all Pipers in this world to the death. The Palin's are loving parents. The Babylonian left fears them because they have the medicine that will counter and destroy the cancer the left has injected into our civilization.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 08:45 PM
44. Of course it's a Secret Service matter. The hour she was picked as nominee anything involving the Palin's were a Dept of Homeland Security matter since the USSS falls under their auspices.

Sorry Pirate, but I agree with Ragnar on this one. I don't want Bush within earshot of this matter or even the slightest hint of it.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 17, 2008 08:50 PM
45. The President has acted quietly and quickly, as he should. He should still be called and thanked which will be good positive feedback that will enhance the investigation's momentum.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 08:54 PM
46. Let there be no misunderstanding: The President's hand in this should be invisible, but it is the nonetheless.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 08:57 PM
47. @ 46~ I'm thinking Bush is wise enough to stay invisible on this one. Can you imagine the mileage the press would get with it if he didn't?

As for the Palin's, yes, they are quite a happy family. Which is why liberalism in its truest form is one of envy and inner rage at those who can find true happiness in life. It really is the fundamental difference between the two ideologies.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 17, 2008 09:11 PM
48. @ 47. Concur.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 17, 2008 09:18 PM
49. I notice that after a couple posts that straighten out cato from his demo talking points, he jumps off this one.
Truth is brutal eh cato?

Posted by: PC on September 17, 2008 10:02 PM
50. Oh yeah, I read an article about the emails and how those friends of justice, the AP, refused to give Secret Service the copies they recieved.
Nice touch...@$$holes.

Posted by: PC on September 17, 2008 10:05 PM
51. cato were you born stupid or did you learn that in public schools.here is the scoop cato now watch my lips they never leave my face.he is an apointee and as such she can fire him if she does not like the way he combs his hair.now that was not all that hard to graps was it cato.you know like when bill clinton let go all but one of the us attorneys when he took office i did not hear cato come out of his hole and complain then now did you cato.

Posted by: pu on September 17, 2008 10:06 PM
52. Yes, it's disgusting to hack into someone's private email. Yes, those who did it should be punished.

But, aren't any of you bothered that Palin uses a Yahoo account to do official state business, apparently to avoid public disclosure laws. That's not right.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/526281.html

Posted by: Cat on September 17, 2008 10:27 PM
53. You lost me at "Michelle Malkin has the story."

Posted by: Ryan on September 17, 2008 10:29 PM
54. The content of those emails are all over the cable networks.

Having a personal conversation in email with someone else who works for the state does not make it state business.

The really interesting thing about that article that obfusCATOr linked is that there is absolutely no verification to back up the assertions they made. None.

Palin routinely uses a private Yahoo e-mail account to conduct state business. Others in the governor's office sometimes use personal e-mail accounts too.

Pretty grand assertion...how do they know? Can they prove it? To quote the article: "WHOOPS"


Oh by the way, which political ideology group was suffering apoplectic seizures about the 'loss of freedom' and privacy from the Patriot Act and that 'evil BushhRoveHitler?

Remind me, again obfusCATOr.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 17, 2008 11:33 PM
55. Jim writes, "One of the strongest arguments against electing Barack Obama, and other leftists, is the often vile behavior of some of their supporters."

What a ridiculous statement -- unless of course you mean it's a flimsy argument but the others are even weaker. Why should the "often vile" behavior of "some" supporters have any bearing on who would make the best president?

There are some awfully vile remarks posted here on Sound Politics, and since most readers here are conservative, so are most commenters, vile and otherwise. I sometimes attack vile commenters, but never would I claim that to show a defect in their candidate. That's just illogical.

Posted by: Bruce on September 17, 2008 11:54 PM
56. In all seriousness, betcha the 'hacker'...

a) has not yet had his 17th birthday
b) didn't 'hack' so much as pick some completely simple password like "alaska" or "bristol"

Memo to politicians: it's 2008, lrn2internets. Using Yahoo mail is such a fundamentally awful idea on so many levels (not the least of which being, you know, this whole thing) I can barely even begin to describe it. Suffice it to say there are reasons that you pay to have an IT department that will set up secure password checks and secure access controls and all of that good stuff, and reason #1 is that (like Sarah Palin) 98% of people do not know WTF they are doing in this regard.

Also, I miss Eric.

Posted by: brent on September 18, 2008 02:12 AM
57. If you go to Michelle Malkin's website, she has the transcript from the hacker himself describing how he got into the e-mail over a 2-day period, then posted her password on a web site known for hacking for others to follow. Someone on the web site found this to be wrong, accessed her e-mail and changed the password and then sent an e-mail to a friend of Palin's to alert her of what was going on.

In addition, the hacker said he went through every e-mail looking for dirt and found nothing. He also said that he specifically was looking for e-mail relating to work, but again found nothing.

The kid that hacked into it was a 20-year old Obama supporter. He decided to forward the screen shots of what he had to the media outlet at Gawker. The folks at Gawker are hiding and saying they have no idea who the hacker was, but the hacker's own admission shows they know him well.

I certainly hope they bring him and Gawker to justice.

Posted by: Ken on September 18, 2008 07:22 AM
58. Bruce,

Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.

Of course, with you being a member of the Slavery Party who's candidate support murdering babies, who's leadership believes tax laws do not apply to them, who's leaders want to nationalize all industries, who's candidates want to take by threat of force money from their opponents and give to their own followers, I'm not surprised you'd be offended by the TRUTH being told about this issue.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 18, 2008 07:49 AM
59. @ 57~ Wow, a 20 year old fresh fish for the inmates in federal prison to pass around for cigarettes during the next 8-10 years. Looking on the bright side, he might receive some "diversity training" in the showers, and a newfound respect for the term "privacy".

Posted by: Rick D. on September 18, 2008 08:22 AM
60. Well, Bruce, the problem here is that this issue - the despicable behavior of many OhDrama supporters - is in addition to OhDrama's OWN despicable behavior. It goes to the larger pattern of anti-American, racist and sexist behavior that the empty-suited moron you so strongly support has engaged in... and will engage in in the future.

Thanks for asking. Next?

Posted by: Hinton on September 18, 2008 08:44 AM
61. For once I side with you.

Email, ALL email should be private, just as phone conversations are, unless BOTH users are explicitly warned that the email is being tapped or their is a court order.

If we want to require emplyees to ONLY use their official mail for business, that is OK as well.

I do not see this as a lib/con issue. Rather it si one we should all agree on as a matte rof Jeffersonian freedom.

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 18, 2008 08:50 AM
62. Hinton@60, are you saying Obama has hacked anyone's account or invaded anyone's privacy? Or by "goes to" do you mean "is completely unrelated to"?

Shanghai Dan@58, if your comment addressed my comment in any way, shape, or form, I missed it beneath the blizzard of extraneous apostrophe's (sic).

Posted by: Bruce on September 18, 2008 09:32 AM
63. The SeattlePharisee and Bruce the neoSoviet are trying to slither back onto SP. Stomp them, then ignore them.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 18, 2008 10:05 AM
64. Let's see another Rep who has his info let out.
Can you say Micheal Steel and his SSN.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on September 18, 2008 10:43 AM
65. Pirate commands, "The SeattlePharisee and Bruce the neoSoviet are trying to slither back onto SP. Stomp them, then ignore them."

Excuse me, Pirate, I must have mistyped. I agree entirely with everything ever written on this site. Stefan, Jim, et al are Gods. (Uh oh, that may be sacriligeous. What I mean is that they are Godlike.) Even if I disagreed, I would never be so rude as to state a contrary opinion here in the comment thread, because comment threads should be limited to huzzahs for the author and, perhaps, amplifying the author's original point -- for example, describing other vile things that Obama-liking people do, or might do, and how this irredeemably tarnishes Obama. Sorry for disturbing you!

Posted by: Bruce on September 18, 2008 10:49 AM
66. SJ - Only once? I'm hurt, deeply hurt. But I will bet you can think of more than one, if you try.


Pirate - Those who disagree with us should be treated civilly, if they are making points in good faith. If not, they should be ignored. (Or, if they say something funny, mocked, gently.)

There are two reasons to treat reasonable opponents civilly. First, it is the right thing to do in a democracy. For some, that reason is insufficient, so I will add a second: Treating those who disagree civilly is usually the best tactic, politically.

Posted by: Jim Miller on September 18, 2008 11:17 AM
67. Jim- I appreciate your point above. Isn't there another reason to treat dissenters civilly -- that a major purpose of a comments thread to discuss and debate issues? (That's why I read this board.) Or do people just want to hear from people who agree with them?

Posted by: Bruce on September 18, 2008 11:23 AM
68. Bruce @ 67:
As a long time poster I can definitely tell you around here it's the later. Anyone who doesn't tow the party line is immediately labeled a commie baby killer. People around here clearly want a ditto head site and will not hesitate to insult you to prove their point.

Seriously, just look at Dan at 58, he's clearly suffering from Liberal Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by: Cato on September 18, 2008 12:13 PM
69. Jim @ 66. "Reasonable" opponents are rarely found on SP. Most opponents are leftist propagandists unconcerned with reason, but intent on poisoning conservative threads or wasting time. Civility is for the civil, not those who use civility to hobble opposition. Given the nature of the conflict, your comments are naive. Civility is fine for peacetime, but not in our culture war where it amounts to fatal pacifism that will eventually get you killed. We fight propaganda with counter-psyops, just like in the real world. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 18, 2008 01:00 PM
70. Bruce and Cato,

So where is your condemnation of leaking private information? I see a lot of anger about people assuming that the leak came from the Obama camp (since it's been traced to Chicago, that's a good bet).

So you're upset about pointing fingers, but nothing about the actual leak itself.

Who's the foaming mouth partisan? You ignore the crime and complain about the hunt for the criminal. I bet you also felt that Jim McDermott was wrongly convicted of wiretapping law violations, and that Rangel should be excused his decade of tax fraud...

Oh, and Cato? The label communist baby killer fits Obama quite well. Care to prove why it doesn't? Seems he espouses communist and fascist policies, and we know that he's on record - twice - for supporting the murder of babies. So why the problem?

Again, indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 18, 2008 01:21 PM
71. As a long time poster I can definitely tell you around here it's the later. Anyone who doesn't tow the party line is immediately labeled a commie baby killer. People around here clearly want a ditto head site and will not hesitate to insult you to prove their point. -Posted by Cato at September 18, 2008 12:13 PM

So, when will you condemn the shouter of "republicon"? When will you condemn vile invective as a substitute for an answer when one doesn't HAVE an answer.

Yes, mocking happens here... our lefties give us so much ammo... and it's absolutely valid as a technique, but a truthful person will gladly admit that the conservative partisans generally and mostly try to advance their positions.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 18, 2008 02:26 PM
72. You know Ragnar, it's really quite telling that the one poster proven to be a liar MORE than anyone else - Cato - feels like he can school us all on ethics and civil discourse!

Cato, you've lied - BIG lies - many times in just the last two weeks and been called on it definitively. Yet never once has a mea culpa issued from your fingers. If you want respect, it starts with earning it by admitting when you're wrong.

Until then, you're a liar, an amoral supporter of murdering babies, and a fascist. And you deserve zero respect.

I disagree with most of what Duffman posts, but I respect the man and wouldn't mind hoisting a brew or two with him. You, factless, Ivan, and Bruce on the other hand aren't even close to having any credibility or respect earned.

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 18, 2008 03:10 PM
73. Cato's lies:

Claimed Levi Johnston was a rapist by Alaskan Law. When confronted to prove it, he selectivey quoted a sentence of rape law when in fact when the entire text reveals the intercourse was perfectly legal in Alaska.

Claimed Seattle Times endorsed Bush in 2004.

Makes stuff up out of thin air, no facts, no proof.

Posted by: pbj on September 18, 2008 07:52 PM
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