September 15, 2008
Washington State Contrarians

In 1960, Washington state voted for Richard Nixon for president.  In 1968, Hubert Humphrey.  In 1976, Gerald Ford.  In 1988, Michael Dukakis.  In 2000, Al Gore.  In 2004, John Kerry.  You may have noticed a pattern; all of those men lost.  (Though Gore received a plurality of the popular vote in 2000, and Nixon probably did in 1960.)

In every close presidential election in the last half century, my home state voted for the loser.  And in one not-so-close election, 1988.

Are voters here perverse?  Do Washington voters automatically prefer the candidate less liked by the rest of the country?  Or is there another explanation?

I think that there is another explanation, though I will admit that there is some evidence that voters here are perverse.  (For example, our senior senator, Patty Murray.  But the state has been sensible enough to reject Seattle Congressman Jim McDermott for statewide office, so the voters here are not hopeless.)  Specifically, I think that those Washington votes from 1960 to 2004 may show regional prejudice.

Washingtonians tend to feel contempt for the South, to dislike the Northeast, and to feel neutral toward the Midwest.  To me, that suggests that Washington voters would prefer candidates by region in this order: West, Midwest, Northeast, and South.  That rule would explain every close election in my list, except 1968*.  And the rule helps explain one of the odder results, 1988.  George H. W. Bush was, on the whole, more moderate than Ronald Reagan, but he lost Washington, which Reagan had carried twice, easily.  I think that one reason that Bush lost here in 1988 is that he was seen as the candidate of both the Northeast and the South.  (Interestingly, Bush carried most of the Northeast states that year, as well as all of the South.)

Some will think of an apparently different explanation for those election results:  While the nation as a whole has been becoming more Republican in presidential elections, Washington state has been becoming more Democratic.  And so Republicans lost close elections here early in the period and Democrats since then.  But that doesn't explain why there have been those two trends, while regional prejudice does.  As the Republican party gained in the South, it became less attractive to voters outside the South, especially in the Northeast, and places settled mainly from the Northeast.

If this idea of regional prejudice — I hesitate to call it a theory — is correct, then we can expect that John McCain, who adopted the West for his home, after living all over, and Sarah Palin, who was born in Idaho and lived almost all her life in Alaska, will do well in Washington state this year, better than George W. Bush did in 2004.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(*In 1968, Nixon was living in New York, so Washington voters may have seen him as less of a Westerner than in 1960.

Washington state did vote for the winner in one close presidential election, 1916.

If you want to look at the election results yourself, I suggest Dave Leip's atlas)

Posted by Jim Miller at September 15, 2008 01:51 PM | Email This
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1. You are far more generous with fellow voters than I.

I think your regional prejudice correlates the voting with the time frame WA started changing, i.e. the influx of Californians in the mid-late 80's.

The influx led to a reputation that our low key lifestyle meant "anything goes", hence the explosion of homeless population, the explosion of the homosexual community. One could even argue that the grunge music pioneered here also contributed to it.

No one lives in a vacuum and HUMANS tend to want to congregate with those that share their beliefs and lifestyle. Seattle and therefore WA is a petri dish that confirms that, as are Utah (Mormons), Alabama (Baptists) Forida (retired folks), etc

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 15, 2008 02:15 PM
2. This is fascinating. I think when talking about the West perhaps there are actually two Wests. There is the old West in which I would include Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Texas. Then there is the new West of California, Oregon, and Washington which have become meccas for leftists from all over the country the past 35 years.

I do think its true that those living in the more rural parts of Washington may tend to turn out more heavily for a McCain/Palin ticket that represent the values of what I call the "old West".

The closing poll numbers are very interesting. It would seem to me to indicate that there is a lot of the "old West" existing outside of Seattle.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 15, 2008 05:33 PM
3.
Voters here seem likely to shoot themselves in the foot. They will carry someone on a bed of silk and anoint them their chosen candidate, only to be ripped off and robbed by same in the next four years....and then do it all again.

People here do not know what self-interest is. Yes, it's great and good to worry about a million things that don't affect your life, however, in the mean time, the Puget Sound has slid into being an ecological hell hole, with terrible traffic, air and water pollution, substandard schools, weekly gun shootings in Rainier Beach...

The typical loony guy living in what he thinks is an insulated neighborhood sits in coffee shops grousing about Mugabe, as if he had more to do with the price of cappuccino then the kid at the counter!

Posted by: John Bailo on September 15, 2008 07:45 PM
4. I talked to an Alasa resident today and she is moving down here. She is pumped for Paulin, saying she was very popular up there and took on big oil.

I'dl definately open up Washington for Alaskans, and there is no need to close Washington to the califorians, as the ones that moved up here are a bit maverick and hence we are closing in on the 2 to 4% supposed lead from the blue state mentality.

I say we spawn off Olympia and Seattle into their own state, they would be dead broke within a year and we could easily pass a tax to give them all one way bus tickets to California.

Posted by: gs on September 15, 2008 07:46 PM
5. Voting for the winner does not make you a winner. Voting for a candidate that loses is often the better choice. This year seems to be no exception.

Posted by: Lysander on September 15, 2008 08:03 PM
6. The weird thing is the odd juxtaposition of the libertarian/individual-ruggedness and the unerring groupthink that goes on here. Like a room all chanting "We're all individuals!!!" In synchrony.

Posted by: Al on September 15, 2008 08:03 PM
7. "Are voters here perverse? Do Washington voters automatically prefer the candidate less liked by the rest of the country? Or is there another explanation?"

Why this should hold only in "close" Presidential elections -- save one -- must remain a mystery. Perhaps Jim merely wants to exclude 1964 from his list, where Washington sided with the vast majority of Americans. This state elevated Texan LBJ over Arizonan Goldwater, putting rather a large hole in Jim's thesis. Hence his dumping of a huge election into an (even larger) memory hole.

"I think that there is another explanation, though I will admit that there is some evidence that voters here are perverse. (For example, our senior senator, Patty Murray. But the state has been sensible enough to reject Seattle Congressman Jim McDermott for statewide office, so the voters here are not hopeless.) Specifically, I think that those Washington votes from 1960 to 2004 may show regional prejudice."

Ellen Craswell and John Carlson would make better examples, especially as the former had succeeded (for awhile) at the local level. Both managed to make dry, wonky Gary Locke look like William Jennings Bryan.

"Washingtonians tend to feel contempt for the South, to dislike the Northeast, and to feel neutral toward the Midwest."

Such a sweeping generalization will, of course, receive ample factual citations (snort!), especially one explaining how LBJ carried Washington (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....).

"If this idea of regional prejudice -- I hesitate to call it a theory ..."

I don't hesitate to call it bigoted garbage.

"...then we can expect that John McCain, who adopted the West for his home, after living all over, and Sarah Palin, who was born in Idaho and lived almost all her life in Alaska, will do well in Washington state this year, better than George W. Bush did in 2004."

Oh, so this was all just absurdist fantasy. Carry on, then!

Posted by: tensor on September 15, 2008 09:02 PM
8. I didn't vote here until the 80's but I didn't vote for any of the three guys listed in the post from that period. I voted for all the winners. And I did it as one of Ragnar's dreaded California transplants. Yes, I was one of the "Californicators", but at least I was/am a conservative.

Posted by: Michele on September 15, 2008 09:14 PM
9. How can you people be proud to be republicans today? I'm being serious. Your party wrecked our economy, and there is simply no way to deny it without branding yourselfes insane--though I am sure you'll deny it anyway in good q.e.d. fashion. You should really be mortally ashamed. I know I would be if my party orchestrated a financial apocalypse.

Posted by: billly chav on September 15, 2008 10:02 PM
10. How can you people be proud to be republicans today? I'm being serious. Your party wrecked our economy, and there is simply no way to deny it without branding yourselfes insane--though I am sure you'll deny it anyway in good q.e.d. fashion. You should really be mortally ashamed. I know I would be if my party orchestrated a financial apocalypse.

Posted by: billly chav on September 15, 2008 10:02 PM
11. I responded and rebutted that nonsense Billy under Polls I'd Like to See - UPDATED with Reichert v. Burner poll with plenty of links quotes and proof. You like to lay everything at the feet of conservatives but the implosions we are seeing today are the direct result of horrensouls Democrat give-aways starting with FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society, 40 years of democrat socialism and the last 2 years of a do-nothing congress.

You liberals always tout something for nothing programs but never stop to wonder where the money for them come from: you mortgaged the future and now it has come back to bite us in the ass.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 15, 2008 10:23 PM
12. *horrendous

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 15, 2008 10:24 PM
13. Furthermore, this do nothing congress and the govenment they control are interfering with normal market actions and reactions. They need to sit down, shut up and stop interfering. They are so afflicted with "do something!" disease they interfere with normal market forces.

The mortgage crisis is a prime example: they created it with stuopid onerous 'regulations' that forced banks to act outside of the best interest of their shareholders, now as they are paying the price with predictable failure they are interfering AGAIN.

And why? Because they short sighted looking out only for protection of their power int the immediate.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 15, 2008 10:33 PM
14. Ragnar, Billy:

You are both right. The republicans are to blame and the democrats are to blame and neither have yet got it. They are both proposing more of the same (government bailouts and regulation along with a flawed federal reserve system of fiat money.

Anyone ready to admit Paul has been right on the economy all this time?

Join the campaign for liberty if you recognize McCain and Obama are not the answer.

Posted by: Lysander on September 15, 2008 10:47 PM
15. Here's the problem Lysander: if by wasting your votes, you Paulbearers put bHo in office with an unchecked majority congress, you are all but guaranteeing another New Deal/Great Society redistribution of wealth on a not even imagined by FDR or LBJ.

It will be completely unsustainable and will be the end of the American economic system as we know it and as we have enjoyed it since our inception... and an ugly legacy for your hero.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 15, 2008 11:31 PM
16. The GOP is doing so horrible that McCain has already tied Obama in Pennsylvania:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2008_pennsylvania_presidential_election2

Posted by: Crusader on September 15, 2008 11:47 PM
17. gee billy, how's that 9% approval democrat congress workin' for ya? I guess America really likes THEM...

Posted by: Michele on September 16, 2008 12:14 AM
18. I'd have to agree with gs at #4 that liberal Seattle (and other urban enclaves) have tainted Washington State's vote totals. Urban voters have given us do-nothing losers like Murray, Cantwell and Queen Christine. If urban leftists suffer no personal embarrassment being represented by the likes of McDermott, so be it. I, however, am embarrassed sending the dimwit Murray and the do-nothing Cantwell to Washington DC. Our state is a laughingstock in DC.

Posted by: Saltherring on September 16, 2008 07:26 AM
19. I think Republicans suffer in WA from their connection to Evangelicals.

WA voters have proven themselves to lean conservative/libertarian many times. Most of Eyman's inits pass, including I-200 (affirmative action ban). The I676 gun control init failed by 71-29. The teachers sales tax init failed.

On the other hand, I've always heard that we are 'the least churched state' of all fifty. I-694 (the 'partial-birth' abortion ban) was trounced.

Maybe the state is not as blue as we think, but just has a problem w/ the Dobsons and Craswells in the Republican party.

Posted by: russell garrard on September 16, 2008 08:53 AM
20. I think Republicans suffer in WA from their connection to Evangelicals.

Maybe the state is not as blue as we think, but just has a problem w/ the Dobsons and Craswells in the Republican party.

As someone who could probably be described as an Evangelical (when I lived in Seattle, I attended the dreaded Mars Hill Church. I didn't agree with everything they believed, but I agreed with most of it, and their views were never what the idiots in the PI said they were anyway), I agree with you with this caveat: "Evangelicals" does not necessarily equal Dobson, and they CERTAINLY don't necessarily equal Craswell.

That said, you are 100% right that the religious conservatives, myself included, with our image distorted by the secular left, are a big reason that Republicans lose. As Chris Vance once explained quite correctly, "They like our ideas. They don't like us."

I do think that divide has a lot to do with the secular/religious divide.

Posted by: Cliff on September 16, 2008 11:58 AM
21. I would agree that it is mostly a matter of image. For me, I am much more worried about nanny-state left-wingers taking freedoms than about theocratic right-wingers. But I think especially younger voters don't see it that way--they see the 'religious right' as the bigger threat.

When it comes to the two issues of abortion rights and gay rights, there is a case to be made. But with everything else, the left is the bigger threat.

Posted by: russell garrard on September 16, 2008 01:33 PM
22. Hmm. I think the voting trends in Washington state have more to do with migrant Liberals. They roam the west like locusts, searching for decent places to buy a home and raise kids. Once they identify a good place to live, being Liberals, they immediately feel intense guilt and proceed to vote in laws and politicians who reflect their politically correct values which systematically destroy the community, schools, etc. Its no longer a nice place to live so the migrant Liberal then relocates to another place and seeks to "improve" it. Witness the history of communities like Berkeley, San Francisco and Los Angeles. As Liberals take over the cities turn into______. Now take a look at Seattle. Compare Seattle 1978 to Seattle 2008.
The same thing is happening to the Seattle area suburbs. Liberals will always seek to mold the world in their image, and when the predictable results occur, they will move on to destroy the next community.

Posted by: Attila on September 16, 2008 06:48 PM
23. I would not look at Washington state or Oregon or California as being the new West where leftists rule. Glance at Dave Leip's Atlas of US elections, there is pretty much an east-west divide for WA and OR and the coastal counties in CA.

Dave Leip's Atlas is great, check it out. Also notice that he makes the Democrats red (how appropriate considering their ideology) and the GOP blue.


Posted by: LCRW on September 16, 2008 06:51 PM
24. I actually have always wondered about that. I always figured that the red/blue state nomenclature was coined by a media person and came from the fact that the military calls friendly forces 'Blue' and hostile forces 'red.'

According to Wikipedia it was coined by Tim Russert, but no reason for the blue/red colors. Does anyone know?

Posted by: russell garrard on September 16, 2008 07:52 PM
25. Here is the deal Ragnar.. WE ALREADY HAVE AN UNSUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC SYSTEM. McCain in the past 20 years has enabled that system and would continue to do so. He will bring about a new deal just the same as Obama.

I Will not vote for a lesser of two evils and calling him the lesser at this point is even in question. Evil is still evil and I will not support it.

Posted by: Lysander on September 16, 2008 07:55 PM
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