September 05, 2008
Return of the Silent Majority? - UPDATED

This blogger was too young to recall the media reaction to the rise and governance of Ronald Reagan. Sure, I've heard and read recountings. And Lord knows I've seen the roughshod treatment conservatives - especially from the West & South - are prone to receive from the media establishment, with its left-of-center, East Coast sensibilities. Nonetheless, the full-scale response of the media and the left to Sarah Palin has been more than just a little instructive.

As Jonah Goldberg so ably predicted at a very early stage, they're flummoxed and taken aback by the "rube from the provinces." Along the way, they're steadily infusing the conservative base with heretofore absent enthusiasm and likewise moving quickly to offend the very blue-collar swing voters Barack Obama so famously struggled with in the Democratic primary season.

Go ahead, keep poking hunters, fisherman, gun owners, small towns, rural Americans and hard working families with kids right in the eye. Legitimate questions about qualifications, foreign policy smarts, experience, policy positions, etc. are more than fair game. Feeding frenzies on family members and ways of life foreign to the urban-based commentariat, however, are doing more work on behalf of the Republican ticket than a multi-million dollar national ad buy.

On a related note, we thus probably shouldn't be too surprised that even the known oratorical modesty of John McCain outdrew the One's Barack Obama's acceptance extravaganza in TV ratings.

Then of course there is Palinmania:

According to Nielsen, Palin also attracted 19.5 million women, which is 4.9 million more than watched Biden. And 1.4 million Hispanic viewers watched, which is more than the 1.2 million who watched day 3 of the Democratic convention, even though Univision and Telemundo did not carry Palin's speech last night. In fact, it's also of note that Palin's speech was carried by four less networks than Obama's speech (BET and TV One also showed Obama).

And Palin still drew an audience just shy of Obama's.

Our understanding of the fundamentals of this election has been thrown on its head in the course of a week. Sure, it can obviously change again. But for now it's a brand new ballgame.

Exit question: what will the angry left say if polling early next week shows McCain/Palin inching into the lead?

I mean, Americans couldn't be so stupid as to embrace that working mom hick from the frontier and the old, tottering warmonger...could they?

UPDATE: Most watched convention evah?

Meanwhile, the New York Times tops its coverage of yesterday's post-convention sparring with reports of enthusiasm for the Republican ticket and the resulting large, "raucous "crowds" on the trail. The Politico finds likewise; the lede:

John McCain may have swapped one enthusiasm gap for another.

As he touched down in suburbs outside of Milwaukee and Detroit, the just-crowned Republican nominee found himself first on the newly fashioned signs proclaiming the unlikely GOP ticket, but seemingly second in the hearts of the thousands who thronged rallies to catch their first glimpse in person of Sarah Palin.

More powerful perhaps in ultimate impact, however, may be this window into the female portion of the Silent Majority:

More expansive but similarly enthusiastic was Cheryl Hauswirth of nearby Grafton, Wis.

"She's a real woman, she's a real feminist but she's not strident -- she's like us," said Hauswirth, a middle-aged mother who didn't offer her age. "She's strong, powerful and opinionated, all the things a women should be, while still retaining her femininity, her womanhood."

It's a new race.

Posted by Eric Earling at September 05, 2008 08:59 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Shhhhhhh. Let them sink their own ship.

Posted by: Jeff B. on September 5, 2008 09:06 PM
2. "...could they?"

Oh. Yes. They. Could.

She IS them. (maybe the MSM will figure that out, one of these days...)

Posted by: Michele on September 5, 2008 09:09 PM
3. I don't know if we're actually silent, just silenced. This afternoon, put up a McCain sign in my front yard. Within TWO HOURS, it had been smashed down. Arbor Heights, West Seattle.

By way of contrast, I have left my neighbor's Obama sign up and undisturbed for a couple of months. Never occurred to me to do otherwise.

My sign will go up again, but only when I can keep an eye on it, of course. Since I now know I can't trust the Obmamatons to be civil, I'll be on my guard. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, etc. I'll probably add a webcam soon, too, and hope to nab the sucker(s) in the act next time.

In fact, because I know it got knocked down so quickly, it might be worth my while just to lurk in the bushes to suprise the next person who stops to interfere with my First Amendment rights.

Wish me luck. I'm not giving up.

Posted by: HT on September 5, 2008 09:13 PM
4. As of three days ago, never in a million years would I have suggested that the Senate may now be back in play. I was terrified they'd get a filibuster proof majority.

Now I'm a bit more heartened. I think Governor Palin will energize down ticket in a HUGE way!

Her nomination, her introduction last Friday and her tremendous debut (with a record breaking audience) Wednesday has "re-branded" the Republican party.

I expect there is already great demand to have her campaign with everyone in the party.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 5, 2008 09:15 PM
5. "what will the angry left say if polling early next week shows McCain/Palin inching into the lead?"

Clearly they'll screech about the vast right-wing media conspiracy. Again.


Signs here in Crown Hill just have swastikas drawn on them.

Posted by: Al on September 5, 2008 09:17 PM
6. Rags,

You are right. Right after her speech I immediately sent Rossi a big donation. Next week on payday I'll send another too.

I urge every Washingtonian who cares about their state to do the same. You can pay a little now or let Gregoire get in again and you will pay in spades.

Posted by: pbj on September 5, 2008 09:21 PM
7. HT, let us know what happens with your next sign attempt.

oh, and let's not forget this 'little' headline on Drudge tonight: "Republican convention was most watched convention on television---ever".
Heehee, you just wonder if Obama's standing there all indignant with his hands on his hips saying "Hmmmpf! I spent millions on my epic greek-columned speech-o-rama and all I got was this dumb T-shirt! (or, barely any ratings bump, perhaps?)

Posted by: Michele on September 5, 2008 09:31 PM
8. Again: At what point should Governor Sarah Palin, or voters who have standing, commence action against those who are attacking her and trying to deny her fundamental civil right of running for office?

Posted by: The Pirate on September 5, 2008 09:54 PM
9. Michele, too funny and I too can see it. He probably opened his book up that says "what would Nero do?"
If there's any history buffs wondering if I really think B Hussein Obama idolizes Nero, yup, I do.

Posted by: PC on September 5, 2008 09:58 PM
10. The liberals fear Sarah because she is at the vanguard of the "silent majority" who is about to launch a culture war on them that will clean up and save not only our government, but our society as well. Well, we're at Concord now. Let's roll.

Posted by: The Pirate on September 5, 2008 10:27 PM
11. Eric - actually the revised figures show Palin drew 40 million viewers. She outdid the messiah. Palinmania - the biggest thing since Beatlemania?

Posted by: Crusader on September 5, 2008 10:37 PM
12. Both Palin and Mccain received more viewership than Barack Obama... and didn't need a months worth of hype to get it like obama.

Posted by: Sarah Palin on September 5, 2008 11:19 PM
13. #12 - are you the REAL Sarah Palin?

Posted by: Crusader on September 5, 2008 11:24 PM
14.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/05/politics/horserace/entry4420102.shtml

McCain's Acceptance Speech Draws Bigger Audience Than Obama's

"38.9 million people viewed McCain's address to his convention in St. Paul, while 38.4 million watched Obama's speech in Denver, according to the Neilsen ratings. "

Posted by: John Bailo on September 5, 2008 11:27 PM
15. John Bailo - that's despite BET and Univision not carrying any Republican speeches. Pretty racist huh?

Posted by: Crusader on September 5, 2008 11:38 PM
16. To finish the evening, here is a great Jay Leno joke from yesterday (day after Palin's speech):

"What a week this has been. If you watched last night, I guess you know, Barack Obama got beat up by a girl."

Posted by: Michele on September 6, 2008 01:44 AM
17. Michele, I don't think America wants a metrosexual as their president. McCain/Palen reflect what this country wants and needs: Courage and Leadership.

Posted by: Doc-T on September 6, 2008 07:04 AM
18. Poor Obama. He got his lunch money stolen and went running back to mommy Hillary!

Posted by: Crusader on September 6, 2008 07:22 AM
19. Crusader @ 15, McCain has probably been the latino's best friend in senate and they didn't carry the speech? Incredible.

Posted by: PC on September 6, 2008 07:47 AM
20. I believe the "Silent Majority" reference was coined during the 60's. It was certainly used to a great extent during the '68 presidential election. The media during that period was similarly enraptured with mouth-foaming, carpet chewing, freak-show war protesters during the Chicago Democrat Convention. The more things change.......

Posted by: Saltherring on September 6, 2008 08:10 AM
21. This Just In !!!

Several Garbage Bags full of American Flags were discovered at "excel field" in Denver, after the cleanup of Obama's convention.

It is reported they were found near Dumpsters.....

The GOP plans on discussing this on the trail today!

Posted by: Chris N on September 6, 2008 09:17 AM
22. You right wing extremist need to face the facts. The so called 'silent majority' is as stale as a 3 cent stamp, and just as old. We now have an opportunity to support a new culture which has cast their vote for Obama. They recognize the need for functional change where the needs of everyone are addressed. Our wealth is out of balance with asset distribution going to a privileged few. People who have large sums of money carry with them a responsibility to ensure that spending benefits all the people. The nomination of McCain and Palin continue to support a way of life that addresses the wants of a few while ignoring the needs of the many.
Additionally, those who are stupid enough to post McCain/Palin posters in their yards truly offend the feelings of many. Though they have a RIGHT to express their views, they don't have the right to incense my feelings while trying to influence my children with such insensitive advise.

Posted by: Mike on September 6, 2008 09:31 AM
23. #22 Have you ever visited Arlington Nat Cemetery?...perhaps you should. :)

Posted by: Duffman on September 6, 2008 09:47 AM
24. Mike

You need to slow down, and move to an Island with only "your Kind"......

If the sign in my yard said "Screw you Mike" then that would be considered insensitive.

If I have Billions of dollars, it is MY money. And YOU are not my responsibility to feed and cloth. That is YOUR responsibility.

I don't think I have ever read such total ME ME ME, Share, Share, Share, drivel.

Posted by: Chris N on September 6, 2008 09:49 AM
25. "[Obama/Biden] recognize the need for functional change where the needs of everyone are addressed."

Nice regurgitation of Marxist talking points, but can you define change? you'll be doing something the Chicago signature gather has yet to do. Define what change is.

"Our wealth is out of balance with asset distribution going to a privileged few.

Asset distribution is a direct result of energy put into something. If you don't get off the couch, Mike, don't get mad at the people that do and make something of their life. they owe you nothing for sitting in front of the TV or Computer.

"people who have large sums of money carry with them a responsibility to ensure that spending benefits all the people."

They already do. They're called your employer you ignorant boob. Name the last time you were hired by a poor guy, Mike.

Obama has the support of ignoramuses like Mike, but fortunately, he isn't a representation of the average American.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 6, 2008 09:50 AM
26. #22 has GOT to be a parody troll. Nobody can possibly be that stupid without it being intentional.

Yard signs offend you? Snort.

Posted by: jimg on September 6, 2008 09:52 AM
27. Gee, Mike... when McCain wins this thing, in large part because of OhDrama's utter and complete political stupidity... will THAT "offends" you?

I would love nothing better then to catch one of you scum attempting to steal anything, including a sign you don't happen to agree with, under that truly bizarre concept of "diversity" you morons preach, but never practice.

And, when it comes to "facing facts," the moronically challenged of your ilk seem incapable of understanding what a "fact" is, let alone show any ability to "face" one.

Posted by: hinton on September 6, 2008 09:53 AM
28. @3: On the other hand, I've lost Obama, Goldmark, and Mark Mays signs in recent election cycles.

That stuff goes on on both sides.

Posted by: Ryan on September 6, 2008 09:54 AM
29. Mike � Thanks for making the point so clear. You loons believe in our God given rights as long they don�t interfere with your warped world. It�s so gracious of you to allow us an opinion as long as we don�t actually express it�.. What a bunch of Lemmings�

Posted by: Kevin on September 6, 2008 09:57 AM
30. Kind of off topic here but has anyone else noticed that OBambi's hair suddenly went grey? Is there too much stress on the man or is this an attempt to look "mature"?

Posted by: Suzihomemaker on September 6, 2008 10:27 AM
31. Mike,

Thanks for the laughs. I thought the people that trashed yard signs were pranking kids with too much time on their hands.

I've heard rumors that there were crazed adult lefties over in Seattle that would do this sort of thing, but I've always had my doubts. Now with your post, it's like I've just seen Bigfoot! LOL. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it myself.

One question for you. By destroying these McCain/Palin signs and keeping your neighborhood "pure", do you consider yourself to be a "Community Organizer"?

Posted by: Smoley on September 6, 2008 10:29 AM
32. The sign went back up at 10:00 am this morning, and is still there. I guess Mike hasn't found me yet...

I would taunt him yet again, except that's probably also on his list of proscribed activities for conservatives. And I certainly don't want to offend him any more than is absolutely necessary.

Well, not much, anyway.

Posted by: HT on September 6, 2008 10:38 AM
33. "Though they have a RIGHT to express their views, they don't have the right to incense my feelings while trying to influence my children with such insensitive advise (sic)."

The very fact that you're procreating is disturbing to most...let's hope your children don't turn out to be fascists like their father (whom is threatened by yard signs).

Sieg Heil Mike, you would have made Hitler proud.

Posted by: Rick D. on September 6, 2008 10:49 AM
34. I was worried that the lefties would wise up, but on NPR this morning they were in full voice mocking Palin's daughter. It is as if they can't help themselves.

Posted by: Moondoggie on September 6, 2008 11:00 AM
35. Moondoggie - it's ok only leftists listen to NPR. They know that - which is why they behave badly. Now, if some media reported on NPR's smears then they would have something to worry about.

Posted by: Crusader on September 6, 2008 11:06 AM
36. @3

HT, lurk in the bushes with your shotgun. When they start molesting your sign, jump out with both barrels leveled their way. Those lefties need a very rude awakening of why we have individual rights and liberties in the first place. The great equalizer FTW.

Posted by: blindman on September 6, 2008 11:18 AM
37. blindman: I thought about lurking with a camera, to catch them in the act. Now I think I'll lurk with a camera and a gorilla mask. The reaction should be priceless...

There's no law against jummping out and yelling "Yeearrghh" in a gorilla mask, is there? I mean, Howard Dean did it and he's still around...

Posted by: HT on September 6, 2008 11:25 AM
38. @22 ...they don't have the right to incense my feelings while trying to influence my children with such insensitive advise.

HAHAHAHAHAH...to that I answer:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

We all have an absolute right, guaranteed by the Constitution, to incense your feelings and to try to influence your kids. Sorry pal, liberty is tough.

Posted by: blindman on September 6, 2008 11:28 AM
39. @22,

"You right wing extremist need to face the facts. The so called 'silent majority' is as stale as a 3 cent stamp, and just as old. We now have an opportunity to support a new culture which has cast their vote for Obama. They recognize the need for functional change where the needs of everyone are addressed. Our wealth is out of balance with asset distribution going to a privileged few. People who have large sums of money carry with them a responsibility to ensure that spending benefits all the people."

What you are talking about is SOCIALISM. It has been tried and it failed. Talk about stale! Like an Egyptian Mummy.

"Though they have a RIGHT to express their views, they don't have the right to incense my feelings while trying to influence my children with such insensitive advise."

Excuse me. They don't a right to "incense your feelings"? You mean like those anti-war protesters that "incense" my feelings?

Yes, they have every right to place campaign signs on their own property. And if you don't like ti too bad! Damn communist.

Posted by: pbj on September 6, 2008 11:31 AM
40. Side note all - If the GOP Convention organizers can't even be bothered to pay attention to basic copyright laws, how can I expect them to navigate the intricacies of government policy?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/heart-van-halen-orleans-j_n_124264.html

People, it's the details. Embarrasing.

Posted by: Just asking on September 6, 2008 11:37 AM
41. Chris N, that's rich.

Posted by: Michele on September 6, 2008 11:38 AM
42. I thought about that Silent Majority" meme the other day, but was afraid to mention it for a couple of reasons--it was co-opted by a bunch of crooks last time, and I don't know who is connected to it in important minds today.

By the way, it is refreshing to read your opinions, you being on the left coast and all. I didn't think there were so many functional intellects still out there.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon on September 6, 2008 11:41 AM
43. I do not care for "Silent Majority" label because I still hold negative opinions of the campaign that last used it.

While Nixon did some good things, he is still the President that oversaw the failure of Vietnam and the one who got caught trying to bug the opposition's headquarters.

He failed as a leader and his failure led to national humiliation.

It took nearly 20 years to reverse the worst of the backlash against his presidency, and the hatred we see today from the left remains as a festering scab of the wounds he inflicted.

Please then do not attach that poisoned term to political center of today.

Posted by: deadwood on September 6, 2008 11:58 AM
44. heehee, Chris N., just read the drudge link to the story you pointed out about the flags democrats threw away===wow!
Seems McCain and the republicans salvaged about 1/2 of them and will haul them out onto a stage at a McCain event today! Never mind that it's funny enough that this was supposed to be the 'green' convention (I guess flags are the only thing they couldn't imagine re-using), you'd think they could have passed them out as souvenirs to democrats who would like such a thing, or saved them for later campaign events this fall? But I guess the republicans are going to find uses for them! Thanks, dems! We get the flags; you get the bad pub....

Posted by: Michele on September 6, 2008 11:59 AM
45. The demo disposed flag thing is ripe with symbolism. It would have been even more poignant if it had been copies of the constitution, though. It's fine to make jokes about the dem's foolishness in the matter, but I know a lot of vets that would be utterly incensed at the act.
It's difficult to believe that Mike's post was real, but the problem is that I've met too many of that ilk while visiting the SSR of Seattle to not consider it possible that he's being honest. Either way, it's a classic.

I don't know that anyone is actually "silent", perhaps a lot of us are hiding in the bushes guarding our yard signs.

Perhaps the most troubling thing about this is the obvious and disturbing distain the socialists have toward our natural desire to limit the government's unrestrained access into our wallets. It points out a vastly contrasting view of personal and property rights. Not to mention the chilling effect that it has on personal initiative and the resulting effect on the general welfare.

Not once have I ever heard a socialist even attempt to proffer a plausible explanation of government increasing wealth. It's all about wrestling over how to divvy it up.

Posted by: scott158 on September 6, 2008 12:18 PM
46. "15."

I don't know if those tv ratings include webcasts as well. I watched the entire Palin speech on my computer using the AP feed and also the feed from CBSNews (they also had a post speech webcast with Couric that was really good).

My guess is that Republicans, who tend to be more tech savy, would be bigger watchers of the webcast than Democrats.


Posted by: John Bailo on September 6, 2008 12:37 PM
47. #30: Suzi, my theory is--since it happened shortly after Obama's Saddleback disaster--that Obama felt he sounded and looked so unprepared for the job of prez, that he went casting about for ways to at least look older. I theorize that he's been coloring his hair previous to this, and decided to just stop doing that at this time to look more "seasoned." Because nobody's hair goes that gray that fast.

Posted by: Michele on September 6, 2008 01:30 PM
48. Hey, Michele, people's hair goes gray all the time, particularly with traumatic events in their lives....like the appearance of Sarah Palin on the ticket, maybe.

Posted by: katomar on September 6, 2008 02:48 PM
49. From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26564287/ :

"Copyright law may not be on the Wilsons side as the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the venue to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners."

In other words, HuffPo, known for being a bastion of extreme liberal opinion, may not be the best source of balanced information. Even MSNBC says it may not be bad, and they're hardly pro-McCain.

Posted by: Angela B., Bothell on September 6, 2008 04:49 PM
50. i know i'm getting ahead of myself but how about PALIN/JINDAL 2012&2016?moonbats beware of the smiling assassin.PALIN POWER.

Posted by: joe murray on September 6, 2008 05:31 PM
51. All the hoopla reminds me of when President Kennedy went to Paris. The media went nuts of Jackie, and at a dinner, the President open his remarks by saying "I'm the man who accompanied Jackie Kennedy to Paris."

I am amused.

Posted by: pyotr on September 6, 2008 05:43 PM
52. Here's something that won't go down well on mainstreet america: Saul Alinsky, radical leftist cult hero and role model of Barack Obama's, dedicated his book "Rules for Radicals" (a favorite read of Obama's) to none other than "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom--Lucifer."

Gee, Barack, is THAT how you figure to get the "christian vote"?

Posted by: Michele on September 6, 2008 05:52 PM
53. I like the headline for a story from The Guardian: "The week middle America bit back".

In Nixonian terms the "Silent Majority", (fed up with leftist street filling protests which had become increasingly violent and had been taken over by overt communists), won him 49 states in 1972. The "Silent Majority" ushered Ronald Reagan into office twice.

I think the 2008 "Silent Majority" is the entire Republican base, (now energized thanks to Sarah Palin), plus working class suburban and rural democrats who are sick and tired of political correctness, global warming fear-mongering, "green" everything, and the obvious bias they observe when they come home and turn on NBC news and see the anchors sneering at Palin.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 6, 2008 06:41 PM
54. Duffman #23: You miss the point completely. Arlington Cemetery represents our government's failure to properly negotiate piece. We are one world, each country with different needs and desires. No one should die over philosophy. What can we do as a nation to provide the leadership necessary to make this a 'war free world'..

Chris N #24: Chris, I don't need to slow down. If you posted a sign "Screw you Mike", I should be able to bring you in front of our courts and request proper compensation for your misguided opinions. I am not hostel, you are.

: Rick D #25: I can clearly define change. Change is something we have need since the early 60's which takes into consideration the needs of all, not the privileged few. I am not Marxist, I am practical. Can't you see the problems around you? Can't we help our fellow man?
I thought I made 'wealth distribution' clear! Asset distribution is the direct result of knowing the right people in a company, not the energy put into a project or job. That's why we have unions, government jobs, and unemployment insurance. As a side note, I will only take a government job, a union represented job or unemployment. Even these opportunities are sometime fraught with favoritism. Therefore, Rick D, I have never been hired by a rich or poor guy...
Rock D., you call me an ignoramus, but if I stick with government/union jobs, I have nothing to loose. Obama has my support because he will stall those who take advantage of my labor or skills.

jimg #26: I'm not sure what a 'parody troll" is. I am not stupid, but concerned about my fellow man. You're probably one of those baby boomers who think that by working hard you're entitled to something better than me. Maybe, I didn't have the time, inclination, or need to work hard. Maybe I didn't have the skills or education. However, my family have the same nutritional needs as yours. Why do look down on me. Don't call me a 'parody troll'.

Posted by: Mike on September 6, 2008 08:04 PM
55. hinton #27: If and when McCain wins this election, I will be upset because we will go down the same unequal road. I will be offended. Regarding your concern about me attempting to steal your sign, I will not. Could it be that when some takes your sign, it is also considered as 'freedom of speech'? Hinton, get a life and consider your fellow man.

Kevin#29 I was happy to make my point clear to you. However, my world is not warped. My opinion is practical. Just look around you. My only regret is that many of my friends don't take the time to support my views. There are many of us, though not as vocal.. If you don't believe me, note who has been in office for several years, ie Jim McDermont.

Smoley #31. "By destroying these McCain/Palin signs and keeping your neighborhood "pure", do you consider yourself to be a "Community Organizer"?" No Smoley, I consider myself a community supporter. One who supports our community, city, county, state, nation, and world. Maybe you should reflect just a little and enjoy the warm feeling you receive when you help and support others. I will not destroy signs. I will attempt to assist these people to be a bit more giving. Where we live, our neighborhood is pure...
: HT #32. Sorry to see that you haven't seen the light yet. I don't remove or destroy signs. However, I laugh at those who post the McCail/Palin nonsense. Have you ever wondered why you are a political minority?

RickD #33. This is a terrible post. I'm sorry you're disturbed that I am hoping for a large family. I will teach them to be sensitive to others, even you, We have wonderful schools that won't allow right wing propaganda like you like to spew on this sight. Change your views Rick, and stop[ being so selfish. You live too well...

Posted by: Mike on September 6, 2008 08:08 PM
56. blindman #38. Sounds like you've been watching/listening to too much FOX with the 'absolute right, guaranteed by the Constitution' quote. The Constitution is over 200 years old. It needs to be modified to meet the needs of today's society. So, my feelings are hurt, and more importantly, my children's feelings are hurt. Thank God, many of our teachers can sooth these troubled minds. Get a life blindman..

#39 You right wingers are always concerned about labels. Socialism is not the issue. Developing a better society is. Why can't you and your friends think about all of us instead of your individual needs and bank account. And, pbi, I do mean the anti war protesters who provide us all with a point of view that must be shared. So call me what you want( 'Damn communist'). I intern call you a greedy capitalist. Get a life..

scot158 #45 Scott, My posts are very real. My only concern is that I don't see any support from some of similar thinking friends. They're probably somewhat intimidated to face this far right wing blog. I'm not, and I'm proud for what I stand for. Furthermore, I will not be silent. It's not 'how to divvy it up' it's called redistribution. Simple as that. I haven't been blessed with the advantages that many of you call hard work, education, etc. I'm more concerned about living life to the fullest, and not keeping score on materialistic accumulation...

Posted by: Mike on September 6, 2008 08:11 PM
57. Yes, Mike, it is scarily obvious that you have not been blessed with the advantage of what we call "hard work". Maybe if you did have to work for what you have, you would be a bit more protective of it when folks want to take it away and give it to someone who chose not to work hard and earn it for themselves.

Posted by: katomar on September 6, 2008 08:53 PM
58. And Mike, what is this "my neighborhood is pure" B.S.? Where do you live, in an Aryan Nation compound?

Posted by: katomar on September 6, 2008 08:56 PM
59. Mike, yes, Socialism IS the issue.

Posted by: ljm on September 6, 2008 09:17 PM
60. HT - Attach a cattleprod.

Posted by: Sandy P on September 6, 2008 09:53 PM
61. katomar #57/#58 I had a friend once who bragged about his hard work working a second job. What he failed to realize is the second job he had was at the expense of someone who didnt have a job. How unfair! Have you ever read about employment laws in France. Thats true equal opportunity. My neighborhood is pure. We look out for each other. We understand how our state/local government works (though there is room for improvement). It supports ALL of the people.

Posted by: Mike on September 6, 2008 10:38 PM
62. Mike,

Your posts incense me. I think you should stop them altogether. Do you agree?

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 6, 2008 11:24 PM
63. sheesh--life is NOT a zero-sum game.

Posted by: Michele on September 7, 2008 12:42 AM
64. Shanghai Dan #62 You,re probably right as my girlfriend thinks I'm hurting too many feelings. Soon, we'll get stronger local/state/federal government which will increase regulatory powers and stop/stall some of these unequal activities. Have you noticed that local government still continues to grow while increased regulation and taxes help protect our environment?
I'm sorry that my post incense you.

Posted by: Mike on September 7, 2008 07:32 AM
65. Mike your posts sound suspiciously like those of someone who used to post here over a year ago - David Matthews. I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he drank some bad tofu juice at his commune and became ill, or perhaps his bamboo bicycle used to power his internet connection broke down.

In any case, your Marxist views are not shared by the overwhelming majority of Americans. Most people in this country work for a living and they don't want the government to take any more of their hard earned money to support people that refuse to work.

I think if you hopped on a bus and went to neighborhoods outside of your "pure community" you'd find that no one wants this country to become more like France. I'll give it to ya though, that's one of funniest things I've read all week. Au revoir!

Posted by: Smoley on September 7, 2008 08:30 AM
66. Mike I want you to think about a few things.
1. Liberals have been destroying the infrastructure of this country. Yes that means you.
2. MOre taxes means less jobs. Unless you consider Government jobs to be productive. Majority of Government jobs are not productive. WHen the largest employee in this state is Government. Who pays those salaries. It is businesses that make a profit. BUsiness that can grow not be taxed for thier success.
3. I have watched hundreds of jobs that use to be done at Microsoft move to India, China and various other places in the world. Why regualations and expenses due to government fees to pay for the right to have employees.
4. Cost of Health Insurance rises everytime you liberals add more regulations. Was it not a Democrat that as Insurance Commissioner. Changed the rules for Individual and single Family Health care that caused most insurance companies not to provide those policies in this state that started the rising cost of Health Insurance. Making it too expensive for many families to carry it anymore.
5. Is it not you liberals that do not want to drill for Oil in the US. ANd willing to send billions of US Dollars to buy oil from Terrorist supporting countries. There by supporting terrorism that so far has hit 34 different countries this year alone.
6. IS it not Jimmy Carter talking to North Korea not to build Nuclear bombs if they got fuel from Alaska for free. ANd you see how honest they were. THey built the bomb and have been exporting the technology to a number of different countries including Syria.
7. Is it not liberals that use the court system to change the laws and expand regulations to remove freedoms of the people and block businesses from building infrastructure. Or removing dams that provide electricity cheaply to replace it systems in a decade that will cost 5 to 10 times more. Again affecting the poor by higher costs of electricity to heat the home. Your policies and thought process will cause electricity to increase slowly but in the past few years I have seen nearly a doubling in the electric bill. Call it a hidden tax because electricity is a necessity.
8. Liberal policies causing the increase in fuel costs have started the rise in unemployment. Because businesses need to make cuts somewhere to get their products to the market. SO remove some people from the payrolls.
9. SUre it takes 10 years to bring oil to the market because we do not have the industrial base to build all the pipelines we may need to have built to start the flow. But 10 years ago when the price of Gas was around a dollar that was the arguement used to block the drilling. We now pay nearly 4 times the cost. Continue the do nothing does that mean you are looking at 10 years down the road at 16 per gallon.
10. Liberals are all talk. I like calling them the do nothings. Liberals destroy private property because they feel it is their right. Liberals feel that they can silence all voices but their own. Liberals get your head out of your asses and look at what you have done to hinder this country. Everything you do has a cause and effect. Saying something will happen like cars that make 100 miles per gallon are not available. If they did you same liberals would complain that you are not getting enough gas tax. Several states are looking at the increase of the gas tax because less people are using fuel. so the answer is more taxes. Make it even more expensive.
And you same liberals want open borders. No new energy drilling so more people using less resources. The US produced 300,000 less barrels of oil per day than 3 years ago. At least North Dakota is drilling and starting to turn the declining production into a rising production. And Alaska is building a pipeline to provide Natural Gas. Yea those hicks are doing something to help the rest of the nation while people like you hinder and make things worse.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on September 7, 2008 08:56 AM
67. Mike @56,

I'm offended by your statement that all of us here are more concerned with "materialistic accumulation" when you admit that you are trying to steal some of that "accumulation" for yourself.

How do you explain away the fact that the McCain family has consistently given away, to charities and thereby indirectly, to people like you, over 26% of their sizable income for over 20 years.
What have you done with 26% of your income to directly help those less inclined than you? (besides talk and be perpetually offended)

Posted by: dan on September 7, 2008 09:10 AM
68. Keep 'em coming, Mike! Great entertainment! A laugh every 5 seconds!!

Reminds me of Pee Wee Herman's movies. Oops, I forgot. His career went south after public masturbation....

But don't let that stop you, Mr Mike...

Facts, reality, history never deter the combination of childish mental illness, er, liberalism..

Posted by: Hank on September 7, 2008 10:08 AM
69. Mike just doesn't understand he, too, is concerned w/materialistic consumption, just not in the way he thinks he is.

All socialism does - and that is what we're talking about - is keep most people locked into the classes they're in.

No competition and jealousy.

Just mutated monarchy - still have the few ruling over the many, except now the many have "free" health care until they Logan's Run us at an age to be determined so the health care remains "free."

Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face, there is a well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, have free health care and 100% literacy.

but the non-materialistic one is posting from a computer somewhere.....

Posted by: Sandy P on September 7, 2008 11:11 AM
70. Smoley #65 I have no knowledge of David Matthews. I'm happy to see someone else shares my views and has the ability to effectively communicate. More should do the same and you would see how universal our views are.
Let's get over this belief that increased government spending is bad. That spending includes all those government jobs, jobs that support our families and allow all of us to enjoy a basic living. I am NOT a Marxist.
Regarding visiting neighborhoods outside of my community, most busses don't serve these 'well to do' compounds..

Posted by: Mike on September 7, 2008 11:35 AM
71. It's a tough choice:

Motherhood and Apple Pie

or

"GOD DAMN AMERICA!"

It's no wonder head are exploding on the left.

Posted by: Andy on September 7, 2008 01:21 PM
72. It's a tough choice:

Motherhood and Apple Pie

or

"GOD DAMN AMERICA!"

It's no wonder heads are exploding on the left.

Posted by: Andy on September 7, 2008 01:21 PM
73. Let's get over this belief that increased government spending is bad. That spending includes all those government jobs, jobs that support our families and allow all of us to enjoy a basic living. I am NOT a Marxist.
Regarding visiting neighborhoods outside of my community, most busses don't serve these 'well to do' compounds..


Posted by Mike at September 7, 2008 11:35 AM


Sounds like mike Works for the Gubberment, and is doing quite nicely for himself.....

Too bad he want's the real working class to pay his portion!!!

Posted by: Chris N on September 7, 2008 01:26 PM
74. Mike: I don't think Smoley meant to say that either you or David Matthews communicate effectively. That's called "illusion of grandeur". You are definitely just as whacky as David, though, I'll give you that!

Posted by: katomar on September 7, 2008 01:56 PM
75. Andy: LOL!

Posted by: Michele on September 7, 2008 02:10 PM
76. David Anfinrud #66 David, your points are well organized and written, but somewhat misguided. It's time for you to do some thinking:
1) Liberals are not destroying the infrastructure of this country. We are simply trying to modify the ground rules so everyone has a better chance that the lottery by birth.
2) More taxes means more government jobs. As stated earlier "That spending includes all those government jobs, jobs that support our families and allow all of us to enjoy a basic living." And as you proclaim that government jobs are "not productive", try and convince the teachers, police/firemen/, government administrators, politicians, etc. of that. Secondly, government jobs produce the same or more in payroll taxes and sales taxes. If the government is the largest employer in the state, I suspect government employees pay at least an equal amount of tax.
3) Regarding jobs that have moved overseas, why don't we have local/state/federal laws that prohibit, or at least make it difficult, to transfer this lost opportunity.
4) Cost of health insurance continues upward due to the abusive fraud within the system. Uninsured families are a serious problem. This will end with nationalized health.
5) If you will listen closely, you'll find that no one wants to send additional dollars overseas. Drilling is not the answer. Most misidentify the real problem. As mentioned more than once by Harry Reed, this country must cease carbon spewing machines. That's why we no longer want to import or drill. We need to come together on this and modify some of our life styles. This is not new. Review zoning laws. Note how density is becoming a key issue. Consolidation of communities, natural gas transit, better eating habits (I wonder what the carbon footprint is of McDonalds). Closer community ties. Does driving 60 miles back an forth to work make sense?
6) Difficult to talk about the actions or inaction of Jimmy Carter. If you're worried about nuclear technology, what about the open Russian markets..
7) You're right on this point David, however these actions are a reflection of good sense and activist court system. The election process is not fast enough to address problems that require immediate attention now. Many of these decisions are unpopular but typically only impact a few for the benefit of many. Regarding removal of dams simply enhance nature while placing public power cost on an equal playing field.
8) 'Liberal policies increasing fuel cost. ' What is this. Cost for fuel is dependent on supply and demand. If you're talking about taxes, do you know how much is cost to build a road these days, protect citizens, mass transit? If people are removed from payrolls, then they weren't needed. Try a government or non profit job or one protected by a union......
9) I believe I addressed the oil issue earlier. Harry and Nancy recognize the earthy damage we have done and need to halt it now. They have said and made it clear that are against any carbon based fuels. See 5).
10) If liberals were all talk, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Liberals look at the macro picture by addressing the needs of the many. It is not cheap nor does it make some of us happy. As you mentioned, several states will continue to raise gas taxes not only for the revenue, but to curb excessive use until we find a new and less harmful energy source. Geothermal, solar, hydro. Bikes, walking. Go to McDonalds and look at the number of people that are medically obese. Look at their children. We have it soft.
Sorry for the delay

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