August 28, 2008
What does Barack Obama really believe?

As this ad reminds us, Obama seems to believe that it's okay to have an unrepentant domestic terrorist (Bill Ayers) as a key political partner:

And as his campaign's response to the above ad indicates, he also seems to believe that it's appropriate for the federal government to silence those who point out embarrassing facts about him.

And as his campaign's response to Stanley Kurtz's appearance yesterday on a Chicago's radio show to discuss Obama's relationship with Ayers [program audio here] indicates, he also seems to believe that it's appropriate to intimidate uncooperative media.

(an interesting local connection -- the Chicago radio host, Milt Rosenberg, is the father of our own Matt Rosenberg).

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at August 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Email This
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1. Man, this guy is self-imploding. What happened to HOPE and the AUDACITY OF CHANGE?

This guy is so tone deaf and such a lightweight that he is not fit for elected office. Unfortunately, at least 40% of the country won't see it that way.

Posted by: swatter on August 28, 2008 10:24 AM
2. This should come as no surprise. Communists have never really taken well to criticism.

Posted by: Kato on August 28, 2008 10:29 AM
3. Anybody aspiring to be president, of whatever party, that seeks to shut up people on the radio, etc, should cause great concern to everybody... especially journalists. Let's see how (if) they respond.

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 10:30 AM
4. The Dem's & Obama are going nuts over the Ayers info and Ads.

I think pay dirt has just been hit!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on August 28, 2008 10:40 AM
5. The ad is devastating...and that's why Obama's campaign is going nuclear to try and s.h.u.t-i.t.-d.o.w.n!

Posted by: Whiskey Dick on August 28, 2008 10:43 AM
6. I've asked this before on other posts around ACORN and SEIU....good to see you are picking up on it Eric. Is Sam Reed looking into this group and their associations? Based on all the facts and their past, I would think that every ACRON registration has to be looked at and proven legal...not the normal way of proving illegal.

Posted by: Dengle on August 28, 2008 10:46 AM
7. This is a huge liability for Democrats. The facts are clear. Obama has grown up under the wings or 60s era collectivists that are far more about a radical transformative Marxist/ Progressive agenda for the USA, and a lot less about any benevolent JFK style mainstream socially conscious policy.

Their only choice is try to suppress this at all costs. But the more they try to cover this up, the bigger it will get.

These are the kind of arrogant and aggressive choices that Progressives will make brazenly. Obama could have very easily avoided the most radical elements of his upbringing if he was serious about being a new kind of candidate. But instead he openly embraced people like Ayers and Wright. And in return, he was fast-tracked into the Machnchurian Progressive that they need as a vehicle to get the power the desire.

Progressives always overreach in their desire for power, because their ideology is one of unapologetic control of their fellow man. They will trample any written law or traditional value to put their power in place, and they do so with a recklessness that guarantees ties to radicals like Ayers.

Obama is the worst kind of leader for the US. Regardless of how bad McCain is from either a right or left perspective, he is by far the more American, more individualist, and more benign candidate for freedom and sensible American values.


Posted by: Jeff B. on August 28, 2008 10:46 AM
8. Sorry, Stephen looking at it. :-)

Posted by: Dengle on August 28, 2008 10:47 AM
9. Sorry...thanks Stefan..not Eric.

Posted by: Dengle on August 28, 2008 10:47 AM
10. Just wait until the usual cast of lefties get a hold of this thread. There will be virulent comments. Might want to grab a bag of popcorn.

Excellent post Stefan. Good to know the family connection between Matt and Milt.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 28, 2008 10:51 AM
11. Jeff, I can't wait for the lefties to defend this. I cannot wait to hear their arguments for a candidate for president telling a radio station that it is "unacceptable" to allow Stanley Kurtz to speak.

Waiting...

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 11:18 AM
12. I think that it would be way over the top to call Mr Obama Hitlerian, even with his production of Nuremburg Rally II tonight, but I don't think it would be even a slight exageration to compare him to Musollini or Juan Peron.

This is an important election.

Posted by: bfr on August 28, 2008 11:24 AM
13. The only thing missing is the brown shirts.

Posted by: katomar on August 28, 2008 11:27 AM
14. The brown shirts will be in the form of Obama's vaguely mentioned "Civilian Defense Corp".

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 11:30 AM
15. More patterns emerging from the Obama campaign---it's becoming more clear that if O gets into the oval office, this same guy who wants to be worshipped with grandeur (he has a throne-like chair that says "president", on his plane)like the old communist "post-my-photo-really-big-everywhere" honchos will simply begin shutting down speech he doesn't like--they're already trying to do it with the so-called "fairness doctrine"-- with threats and intimidation. It's the communist way.

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 11:39 AM
16. Even better... Denver police go after ABC reporter after taking pictures of DNC big donors.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5670682

I thought the dem's love free press.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on August 28, 2008 11:49 AM
17. Don't know what the Dalai Obama really thinks but Dori Monson managed to get the Inside-scoop on his set design. :)

Posted by: Duffman on August 28, 2008 12:10 PM
18. oh my, that ad is good and it's really no wonder his campaign is freaking out over it--his association with ayers strikes me as a real dent in his shiny armor.

Posted by: Harry Callahan on August 28, 2008 12:12 PM
19. #16 I thought the dem's love free press.

They do love free press. They don't always love a free press.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on August 28, 2008 12:20 PM
20. If you read around the Blogosphere and in the political press, this is starting to open up as a monster wound for Obama. As it should. No candidate should be able to skate by with so many aggressive anti-American connections without scrutiny.

The facts are clear. Ayers has radical anti-American/ pro- Marxist views. And Black Lberation Theology shares those same radical anti-American views. There are irrefutable connections to several notable figures in these movements and Barack Obama.

Barack Obama does not deserve respect as an American Presidential candidate having any relation to such extremes.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 28, 2008 12:21 PM
21. What kind of idiot thinks it is OK to put in charge of defending us from terrorists, a man who cosorts with terrorists?

Posted by: Tellme on August 28, 2008 12:38 PM
22. It makes you wonder just how extreme one would have to be for Obama to *not* associate with them. Hell, he says worse things about Stanley Kurtz than he has ever said about William Ayers.

It's obvious why. And it's apparent that the Left is not worked up about this, because you have to put yourself in their shoes... they hate the U.S., and so does Ayers, so to them it's no big deal.

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 12:39 PM
23. Time for some good news. Sorry Obama.

The Commerce Department reported Thursday that gross domestic product, or GDP, increased at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter. The revised reading was much better than the government's initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists' expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on August 28, 2008 12:47 PM
24. ...ergo stock market UP +190 last I looked :)

Posted by: Duffman on August 28, 2008 12:50 PM
25. ...however, in fairness that c/be because of Clinton's speech last nite :)

Posted by: Duffman on August 28, 2008 12:51 PM
26. 25 Duffie.

Put the beer down duff, it's way to early.

I understand you need to get drunk before Obama the great speaks. But please, your not 21 anymore. (-:

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on August 28, 2008 01:03 PM
27. I think we ought to tally up all the lies Obama will tell tonight. Will he say "the worst economy since the Depression"? or "I just met a veteran today who has to live in the sewer thanks to McCain and Bush"? or "John McCain wants to privatize social security"?

These people are nothing but a bunch of evil, lying power hungry communist nutcases.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 28, 2008 01:03 PM
28. America came together for a brief time after 9/11. What a good feeling that was during such a tragic time. I think most of America remains regretful that that feeling did not last. So what happened? Why didn’t it last? Well - it seems to me…. I hope you will consider Obama and The Media vs. “Thinking” America. This is found at:
http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/obama-media-vs-thinking-america/

Posted by: ZachJonesIsHome on August 28, 2008 01:05 PM
29. Just heard a call on Medved's show that epitomizes the typical ignorance of obama supporters:

Caller: "I like Obama because he'll bring change."

Medved: "what kind of change will Obama bring?"

Caller: (Pause) "I don't actually know."

A mile high and an inch deep??

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 01:32 PM
30. We're back to Bill Ayers again?

Now how many people were hurt by his bombs? (A: None)
What did he blow up? (A: Mostly FBI paperwork on leftist organizations.)

This coming from a party that has the full support of a guy who thinks Hitler was the best thing that ever happened to the Jews.

Give me a break, looks more like your running scared. Notice how McCain spends all his $$ attacking Obama without laying out what his plans are. Why isn't Dumbo Rossi going to the Republican Convention? He went 4 years ago.

I'm guessing he doesn't want to be seen as a Republican (which is why he's running under GOP). Or doesn't want photos of him hanging out with ol' Sen. Flip-Flop.

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 02:21 PM
31. Trying to shut down free speech!! This is just the beginning of what could come if this man is elected.

Posted by: Susu on August 28, 2008 02:21 PM
32. We got one! Finally! Cato, you okay with Obama telling a radio station that is is "unacceptable" to
have Stanley Kurtz on their show?

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 02:26 PM
33. #30: Would you be ok with it if McCain had a friend, or even just an associate, who had bombed abortion clinics without actually hurting anyone?

Try for once to answer in an intellectually honest fashion.

Posted by: Kato on August 28, 2008 02:43 PM
34. Obama and Osama have an interesting commonality. They both know people that attacked the Pentagon.
Can you imagine for one moment if McCain was "friends" with someone that was a known check bouncer or made bootleg Star Wars videos?
Oberman would breathlessly bark it nightly. This tie that shows a window deep into the content of the character well, forgetaboutit.

This matters a lot folks. This foreign born national with nothing but sloganization from propaganda speeches seeks to carry out nothing short of a violent and determined destruction of the bright points of the world. We must not be silent. I realize the Coward from Chicago who is frustrated with this whole election thing as evidenced by not answering the arguments made of his association to an unprosecuted unrepentant terrorist will crack at some point...he just can't do it in the Whitehouse. Rightfully he should just be left with kicking the dog rather than reporters on November 5th.

Posted by: Col. Hogan on August 28, 2008 02:46 PM
35. Looks like we are going to have the ticket of...

Good and Pawlenty

Posted by: WaFlyGuy on August 28, 2008 02:53 PM
36. C'mon, Pacto (I mean, Cato) are you so bent that you have to include VERY Republican in your responses because you have nothing of substance to offer in defense of Empty Suit OhDrama? Or is it, as is much more likely, that you have no problem with Ayers or what he and his group did, and thus have no trouble with OhDrama's relationship with a terrorist?

Posted by: Hinton on August 28, 2008 02:59 PM
37. Hinton, that's just it. You see, they have no problem with what Ayers did. That's why they don't see the big deal. Obama also did not have a problem with what Ayers did, or he would have not associated with him to begin with. That's why they're in such a tizzy over the mainstream of America finding out about it, since the mainstream of America doesn't hate its country, and doesn't understand those who do.


Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 03:10 PM
38. Now how many people were hurt by his bombs? (A: None)

Lame. He and his people constructed a nail bomb that they planned to explode at an army base. Instead, it went off while they were building it, and killed three of their own. So he only "succeeded" in killing three of his own fellow terrorists, instead of members of the military. He was a terrorist, plain and simple.

But since his cause was leftist, Democrats say it was just fine that he helped launch Obama's political career. What a joke. Clinton pardoned two of his terrorist conspirators on his way out of office too. Can you imagine the outrage by Democrats and the media if Bush pardoned an abortion clinic bomber? Liberal heads would explode.

Posted by: Palouse on August 28, 2008 03:49 PM
39. It's okay to bomb a government building or anyone's building for that matter as long as no one is killed. This cato handle is a disgrace to the real cato of history.

Seems he is still spitting on our returning war vets.

I think cato is the guy who is flying the UN flag and not the US flag.

Posted by: swatter on August 28, 2008 03:59 PM
40. #35: I'll take that ticket! Of the available choices, i was hoping for Pawlenty. good guy.

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 04:04 PM
41. McCain was "friends" with someone that was a known check bouncer or made bootleg Star Wars videos?

McCain is friends with a guy who thinks Hitler was great for the Jews and the Catholic religion is a sham. I don't see Obama harping on McCain being buddies with that nutzo.

I realize the Coward from Chicago who is frustrated with this whole election thing as evidenced by not answering the arguments made of his association to an unprosecuted unrepentant terrorist will crack at some point.

Since Ayers didn't actually hurt/main/kill anyone and he's free to roam around the crime he committed must not have been all that great. It's funny to watch the right wing make a guy who blew up a bunch of filing cabinets as a 60's terrorist equivalent of the 9/11 hijackers.

McCain has to resort to fear mongering because he doesn't have a leg to stand on in regards to the issues. Any question he gets is scripted, and criticism is somehow an attack on his time as a POW. Heck even his old cellmate in Hanoi Hilton (who was there 4 years longer than Sen. Flip Flop) thinks McCain is a short-tempered jerk.

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 04:08 PM
42. See... the Left doesn't think what he did was wrong and neither does Obama.

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 04:15 PM
43. Ayer's group claimed credit for 20 bombings, including the Pentagon and Capitol, police facilities and more. Three of the group's members died while constructing a huge nail bomb (one of them was his girlfriend---I'm sure her parents were thrilled NOT!). In all that bombing, Cato, you have no problem with all the mayhem and destruction?

You need to read more about their targets. Cato, you need to ask yourself how you got to the point where you think it's just fine what they did, and why you regard it to be about as bad as throwing a gum wrapper on the sidewalk.

Why is it okay with you that they were domestic terrorists? Is it because they were motivated by their communist beliefs? How about if they bombed 20 abortion clinics. How would you have felt about that?

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 04:26 PM
44. Michele, it won't work to try reason with people who think that what Ayers did was not bad. All we have to do, which is what Obama is trying to stop, is inform Americans about this. We cannot change Cato's mind.

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 04:29 PM
45. Three of the group's members died while constructing a huge nail bomb

I actually watched the Weather Underground documentary at SIFF a few years back, I don't recall any nails being mentioned by the police officers they interviewed.

Also, no one was hurt by that bomb in question except for the idiots who were constructing it. Good riddance. They made their own choices (including the GF) and they payed with their lives. So be it.

Some members of the Weatherman were caught, tried, and convicted of misdemeanors, they paid hefty fines, served no jail time, and were later pardoned by Ronald Reagan.

If Ayers is a terrorist why is he allowed to teach and walk freely in Chicago. If he was a murder/terrorist as some seem to paint him as then he would be a felon and in jail. The statute of limitations for murder never runs out. Since he never killed anyone Ayers is the 1960's equivalent of Kevin Mitnick

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 04:56 PM
46. Ayers is quite a piece of work, no question about that.

What exactly has Obama done wrong? What should he have done instead? Please be specific.

Posted by: scottd on August 28, 2008 05:02 PM
47. How about if they bombed 20 abortion clinics. How would you have felt about that?

Works for me, wouldn't be the first person. Of course Ayers at least tried to go out of his way not to injure any individuals unlike the Conservative nutzos who just blow people up indiscriminately.

Is it because they were motivated by their communist beliefs?

I have no clue what their motivation was, I don't know any of them. Looks like they wanted the US to get out of a war stared under false pretenses (hmmm, sounds familiar). They clearly took the wrong approach but again the 60's were certainly not the same as the 00's.

Cato, you need to ask yourself how you got to the point where you think it's just fine what they did

Where did I say it was fine? I don't recall saying that at all. I don't agree with his methods, but blowing up file cabinets and toilets in the Pentagon is not the same as flying a plane into a tower and killing 2000+ people because you hate America. Personally I find it very amusing that the Republicans are trying to make Ayers out to be something he's not. Ayers is a bad guy, but he's certianly not the Unibomber, he's not Eric Rudolph, and he's never done anything that would make him the equivelent to the 9/11 terrorists, which the McCain campaign is painting trying to paint him as (if McCain actually had to talk about the issues instead of fear-mongering the election would be a Reaganesque landslide for Obama).

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 05:16 PM
48. Cato, clearly you're fine with the Weather Underground and what they did. That's your problem. It will become our problem if your guy Obama gets into the Whitehouse, because almost all of his significant associations in life and politics have disturbing communist connections/or hate this country: his church, his political associates, etc.

Unlike you, I don't approve of domestic terrorists, no matter what their targets are---private property or government. Weather Underground was a split off a Maoist (COMMUNIST, for those in Palm Beach County) group and said they wanted to be the "white" version of black radical groups back then. This was a dangerous group, and the fact that you are so nonchalant about them tells a lot about you.

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 05:26 PM
49. who think that what Ayers did was not bad.

You think a guy who publicly states that Hitler was God's gift to Jews is good? The same guy who claims that the beliefs of billions of people worldwide are completely bogus? Interesting how hard McCain actively sought out this guy's endorsement despite these well know facts about the Rev. Hagee.

Funny how everyone here seems quite fine with that sort of association. Even many Catholics here (looking at you Ragnar) seem more than willing to let that association slide right on by.

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 05:27 PM
50. That radio show is an absolutely amazing study (thanks for providing the linx Stefan). Other than grade school guilt by association logic (nanny nanny boo boo you're sitting by the stinky commie kid and got his cooties), why is this actually important even in rhetoric? Is there an Obama-Ayers marching manifesto lying around somewhere?

Posted by: Acid Brain on August 28, 2008 05:32 PM
51. because almost all of his significant associations in life and politics have disturbing communist connections/or hate this country

Really, I don't think Ayers or Wright HATE America. They certainly disagree with some of it's ideas/stances/policies but they both still choose to live here. Meanwhile your communist argument is a red herring. Neither Obama or anyone on Obama's staff is advocating massive work collectives, eliminating free markets, or cultural revolution. Your fear of Amercian communism is a joke at best (heck Nixon policies were closer to communism than Obama's are).

I don't approve of domestic terrorists, no matter what their targets are---private property or government.

Nor do I, but Obama's associations to Ayer's are not anything more than associations. Heck two of McCain's good friends are convicted felons, G. Gordon Liddy (multiple felonies) and Oliver North (multiple felonies). Maybe we should be making a fuss over Republicans giving convicted felons talk shows and guest spots on Fox News.

Meanwhile I notice that Ayers has never actually been convicted of any felonies or terrorist acts. Hmmm, funny that.

Posted by: Cato on August 28, 2008 05:53 PM
52. FYI, Ayers got off on a technicality, Cato. In his words--"guilty as sin; free as a bird. this is a great country, isn't it?"

Apparently, denial really ISN'T just a river in Egypt, Cato....

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 06:12 PM
53. Ayers is a real sweetheart and only blew up some filing cabinets...and a car (http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-terrorist-supporter-ayers-unrepentant-bombings-another-obama-agent-change-opinion-analysis), oh yeah and some cops (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/17/BAGPRO6J7J1.DTL&type=printable).

Yes, Ayers is definitely Obama's butt buddy, even though he is unrepentant Marxist terrorist. But he did get Obama into a sweet gig at the Challenge Fund, which excuses everything. The records of which were the cause of this unhinged reaction of Team Obama. Doncha just wonder what Obama has to hide?

Imagine a Senator of the US requesting the DoJ to silence and prosecute political speech they disliked. Now imagine the same fool in charge of the DoJ. Not a pretty thought...

Posted by: iconoclast on August 28, 2008 06:16 PM
54. King Obama is speaking from his Greek Tower this evening. Maybe Ayers can blow it up at the end just for drama, the only thing King Obama and the doomocraps have left.

Bring on next week. before I choke on the libralism.

Posted by: gs on August 28, 2008 06:27 PM
55. Greek Tower and Toga party notwithstanding, people who care about the 1st Amendment and the constitution ought to be very concerned with how Obama has directed his campaign to do whatever it takes force those ads about the association between he and Ayers. He doth protest way too much - there's smoke here and where there's smoke there's hellfire. There's also the link between him and ACORN, with Ayers - likely part of it, and then there's Rezko. Needless to say, it's time to rain on this guy's parade...

B, Hussein Obama is connected with the Chicago radicals, who are more anti-American than the Arkansas mafia was... He apparently takes no back seat to Slick Willie in corruption, but has that slick touch and the family that was well portrayed by his wife was well orchestrated to divert attention from the bad and ugly side of BHO.

This story has legs... The McCain campaign ought to keep digging into this story - looks like there's a smoking gun.

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 06:50 PM
56. Correction:
Greek Tower and Toga party notwithstanding, people who care about the 1st Amendment and the constitution ought to be very concerned with how Obama has directed his campaign to do whatever it takes force those ads about the association between he and Ayers off the air. He doth protest way too much - there's smoke here and where there's smoke there's hellfire. There's also the link between him and ACORN, with Ayers - likely part of it, and then there's Rezko. Needless to say, it's time to rain on this guy's parade...

B, Hussein Obama is connected with the Chicago radicals, who are more anti-American than the Arkansas mafia was... He apparently takes no back seat to Slick Willie in corruption, but has that slick touch and the family that was well portrayed by his wife was well orchestrated to divert attention from the bad and ugly side of BHO.

This story has legs... The McCain campaign ought to keep digging into this story - looks like there's a smoking gun.

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 06:51 PM
57. Talk about smoking guns, wait until the Clintons get through leaking out their finds.

Go Hillary 2012 is all they are working on. Carville the attack dog will not be seen, but his findings will be heard.

Posted by: gs on August 28, 2008 07:05 PM
58. Cato~ your excuse making for a terrorist is nauseating. Are you that ignorant not to realize that Ayers' terrorism was directed at the United States and its citizens by targeting their Democratically elected institutions of government? Apparently so.How did Ayers know their wasn't a janitor, nightwatchman or employee inside burning the midnight oil? Answer: He didn't.

By your retarded logic, if Timothy McVeigh had blown up the Alfred P Murah federal building in OKC but no one had died in that attack, perhaps a nice slap on the wrist and some community service for the lad would have been an appropriate punishment, right?

Don't try to defend the relationship between the chi-town @$$clown and his good buddy Bill Ayers whom the young Obama had to kiss the ring of before venturing into the Chicago political machine. He knew his associations would likely come back to haunt him but didn't care because it ascended him to the next rung on the ladder. Examples of both Short sightedness and bad judgment that Senator Obama would carry into the whitehouse with him. Which is why the American electorate will resoundly reject this empty vessel in November.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 07:09 PM
59.

"Now how many people were hurt by his bombs? (A: None)"

Wrong, that is a lie. Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins died in the explosion on Greenwich Village on March 6, 1970. This was an accidental explosion that killed the members of the WUO. It was intended for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University. So CLEARLY the intent was to KILL AMERICANS.

The bomb preparations have been pointed out by critics (e.g. Terrorist lover CATO) of the claim that the Weatherman group did not try to take lives with its bombings. Harvey Klehr, the Andrew W. Mellon professor of politics and history at Emory University in Atlanta, said in 2003, "The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence. I don't know what sort of defense that is."[27]

"What did he blow up? (A: Mostly FBI paperwork on leftist organizations.)"

LIE. June 9, 1970 they blew up a New York Police station.

Posted by: pbj on August 28, 2008 07:47 PM
60. They also killed a SF police officer in another bombing. Again, issues regarding surveillance improprieties prevented indicted them for this murder.

They did try to kill a judge and his family with gasoline bombs. Failed there too.

Nice friends ya got, Obambi. Go well with your Acorn business relationships any day.

Posted by: iconoclast on August 28, 2008 07:54 PM
61. So why wasn't Ayers arrested?

"By the end of 1976, the Weather Underground would collapse.[48] Within two years, many members turned themselves in after taking advantage of President Jimmy Carter's amnesty for draft dodgers.[11]"


Posted by: pbj on August 28, 2008 07:57 PM
62. On 19 May 1972, Ho Chi Minh's birthday, The Weather Underground placed a bomb in the women's bathroom in the Air Force wing of The Pentagon. The damage caused flooding that devastated vital classified information on computer tapes. Leftist groups worldwide applauded the bombing,

Posted by: pbj on August 28, 2008 08:00 PM
63. "Really, I don't think Ayers or Wright HATE America. They certainly disagree with some of it's ideas/stances/policies but they both still choose to live here. Meanwhile your communist argument is a red herring. Neither Obama or anyone on Obama's staff is advocating massive work collectives, eliminating free markets, or cultural revolution. Your fear of Amercian communism is a joke at best (heck Nixon policies were closer to communism than Obama's are)."

Lie. The Weathermen founding document called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism."

Just as liberals have to call themselves "progressives" in order to lie about their true intentions, you won't ever hear Obama openly state what he wants. This is because if they truly stated what their really intended, they would never get elected. They have to lie and hide their true intent and the MSM is marching lick step with them.

Posted by: pbj on August 28, 2008 08:09 PM
64. hey stefan:

since you know what barack really believes, can you tell me what the stock price of wamu will do?

and, have you "looked into putin's heart" and can you tell me what russian is going to do?

don't succumb to hackery.....

are you on a talking points or is this what you believe?


Posted by: dinesh on August 28, 2008 08:10 PM
65. He was, but got off through prosecutorial misconduct. His wife did get a criminal conviction, I believe.

Even Ayers laughs about being guilty. At the end of his book he brags guilty as hell, free as a bird--it's a great country".

An unrepentant marxist terrorist is a close personal and business associate of one of the two candidates for President. Not a good thing.

Posted by: iconoclast on August 28, 2008 08:15 PM
66. Osama Bin Laden could be the Democrat candidate and all the morons would be here defending him. After having spent 40 years as a Democrat, I saw the true traitor party they are after 911.

Posted by: pbj on August 28, 2008 08:20 PM
67. Cato, you don't think Ayers hates America? What if a man stood on a picture of his wife, and said, "I don't hate you, honey. I Love you."

Think she'd but that?

Why do people try so hard to excuse people who bomb stuff and get pictures of themselves standing on the flag?

I know why.

Posted by: Gary on August 28, 2008 08:21 PM
68. "don't succumb to hackery." ~ dinesh

This from a fawning member of the Obama "hope and change" congregation (Read Theology of victimhood)...See the irony there?

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 08:21 PM
69. Just saw Obama's acceptance speech. I notice that he said that one of the responsibilities of government is building roads. Maybe Dino should use a clip of that in a campaign commercial. Christine sure doesn't seem to be doing that with our 9 cent tax increase.

Posted by: RBW on August 28, 2008 08:30 PM
70. show me a man's friends and i'll show you the man...birds of a feather...
silly historic phrases?
or the tested wisdom of ages?
you decide in Nov.
impressionist art is composed of little dots...yet when connected, they reveal something much more profound...
are we focused on dots or the whole?
you decide in Nov.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on August 28, 2008 08:35 PM
71. I actually heard a Democrat being interviewed by Hannity during the DNC debacle of a convention that "Obama's tax plan is better than McCain's because it promotes 'equality of income'". What that means to me is the Obama plan will take money earned by some people and give it to people who didn't earn it. I was a little disappointed that Hannity didn't ask him to elaborate on that point.
I would like to find out in the US Constitution that Obama seems to be reading from - where it says it's Ok to take away money I earned and give it to someone else who didn't earn as much because that is "more fair". What's "fair" about it? Doesn't that just make me a slave to the person receiving my money? It's redistribution of wealth, and it is exactly what people like William Ayers would have taught his student Obama.

Posted by: Scott on August 28, 2008 08:45 PM
72. this is a site of short skirts.

pull out your pom poms, next week you can rally for 8 years of policies and results that violate your fundamental principles.

smaller govt: no.

lower taxes: no (unless you are going to die before we have to pay off the debt repubicans racked up).

national security: where's osama?

haters--to use vernacular.

accoutnability? posit an argument why republicans should get another 4 years rather than stating why dems shouldn't.

good luck--facts indicate republicans should lose.

Posted by: dinesh on August 28, 2008 08:47 PM
73. Smear and Fear - Same old GOP song and dance. When you no ideas and a lousy candiate, this is what you do.

Posted by: Robert on August 28, 2008 09:03 PM
74. One reason without sounding too partisan. I believe Government is most effective with a balance of power. If the Republicans controlled Congress, I'd be more inclined to vote for a Democrat President. However, when there has been one-party control, the Government has been the most corrupt and with the most lopsided and bad policies. Case and point: Clinton's first term and the first six years of Bush - Bad policies with little or no check and balance, an essential element of good government.

Simply put, I do not trust the judgment of Democrat control for the next 2 years at least, with the monicker of change, which in Obama's case means bigger Government and redistribution of income - hello Socialism... If it were all Republican control, based on the past 7.5 years, I'd have a problem with that also. In addition, BHO is one of the most liberal Democrats and with a Democrat majority in Congress - it would profoundly affect our economy in a negative way. I am ready for the debate with any Democrat/liberal about that - bring it on...

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 09:11 PM
75. I'm really disappointed in the Republicans who sponsored this video.

It's more of the same - vote for us because the other guys are evil and we must not be. Except, we really are, but we're hoping you only notice that on their side.

When will a man of integrity and respect for the constitution of this nation stand up and run for president? More importantly, when will you follow him instead of picking someone by compromising what's right - what you know is right from a rational standpoint - in favor of some answer that answers nothing at all, is just more of the same?

It's pathetic. It's ironic when anti Obama people say he has no plan... when your plan consists of attacking Democrats and citing Republican platform that is almost never followed by Republican elected candidates.

I'm a Republican PCO, and I approve this message.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 09:11 PM
76. "I'm a Republican PCO, and I approve this message."

Andrew - That is pure unadulterated BS, unless you can prove it otherwise. Good demagoguery though...

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 09:15 PM
77. KS - You may perceive it to be that way, but that doesn't change my reality or yours.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 09:19 PM
78. I am sure there are at least as many Democrats who feel deceived by their nominee as there are alleged Republicans like Andrew.

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 09:30 PM
79. Don't you have to wonder how many houses could have been donated, scholarships given, or healthcare provided to children for what the DNC spent on their 4 day gala in Denver?

Perhaps instead of throwing hundreds of million of dollars away in a coronation for a guy that cries about the plight of the poor and downtrodden, they could have instead turned that money over to Jimmy Carter's habitat for humanity, sponsored University scholarships, etc.

...or is all that Hope and Change Bovine scat your shoveling down the throats of the American electorate just empty platitudes and you could really care less about helping those people?

I think we got that answer tonight at Invesco field.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 09:37 PM
80. Andrew Brown,

If you are a Republican PCO then Osama Bin Laden is an American patriot.

I am reality and I approved this message.

Posted by: Reality on August 28, 2008 09:37 PM
81. Dinesh and Robert: Please list for us the accomplishments of Barack Obama while in office.....

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 09:40 PM
82. I have no doubt you're right. And why not? Both sides just compromise away their whole platform because 'extremism doesn't get elected'. Trying to pander to get that 5% from the other side instead of actually standing for their principles. They compromise what's right and end up with nothing right, because right is right. 1/2right is not right.

A is A.

And while I pick on Republicans more, especially here, that's because I feel betrayed. Somehow it became acceptable and even expected that I would support what is 1/8Right, instead of Right. As for Dems, well, I don't pick on them because their 'Right' is -1Right, as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry for the gratuitous math references. :)

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 09:41 PM
83. #82: (crickets chirping....)

Posted by: Michele on August 28, 2008 09:44 PM
84. "Reality",

Look it up (Lake Stevens 9). While you're at it, grab a copy of the Constitution and start looking at that too. Make sure it's not an abridged Republican or Democrat version though, you'll miss the good parts.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 09:46 PM
85. michelle:

after 8 years, 6 years of monopolistic control of 2 branches of the fed govt, please name republican accomplishments:

1. lower federal spending?
2. smaller govt?
3. lower taxes?
4. greater individual rights?

Posted by: dinesh on August 28, 2008 09:57 PM
86. Andrew Brown~ I would agree with your statement @ 83. Unfortunately, I will not write in Ron Paul in November knowing it is a fruitless endeavor in the final analysis.I've often felt that both of today's major political parties will put this nation on the path of destruction wildly off course from that which our forefathers intended, only the Democrats will put it on the express line.

McCain will get my vote this November by default, based solely on the reality that the SCOTUS is the final arbiter and interpreter of the Constitution by which this country was founded. We can't afford another 2 ACLU American haters to be appointed by the boy king to the high court and not expect this country as we know it to be inalterably changed forever.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 10:01 PM
87. Rick,

I can definitely understand that, except for the ACLU comment. Aside from their view that the 2A is not an individual right, which has been shot down by the Supreme court finally, I have no trouble with them, and yes that includes when they defend chi-mos and all the other undesirables, because rights must apply to everyone equally, not just those I feel are innocent or deserving of them.

Anyway I'm not asking for anyone to write anyone in. I'd really settle at this point for candidates that run on their own merits and win because they deserve it, not because they make the other guy seem less deserving than their already nil entitlement.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 10:08 PM
88. Would Democrats do any of these ?

1. lower federal spending?
2. smaller govt?
3. lower taxes?
4. greater individual rights?

Don't be ridiculous - of course not. Not since JFK have they done this and JFK governed like a modern day Republican.
BTW - Bush is not running - try another tact about John McCain. I don't care if Al Gore or BHO said that - they didn't prove it because its not true if you look at the big picture.

Posted by: KS on August 28, 2008 10:10 PM
89. Andrew~ We will definately have to agree to disagree re: the ACLU . I don't think there is a more dangerous organization to the US Constitution than this group founded by an admitted socialist Robert Baldwin. Former ACLU lawyer and current SCOTUS jurist Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a perfect example of what they would do to the Constitution if left in the hands of these people to decide....Remember the Kelo decision?

The ACLU is certainly no friend to individual rights in this country, despite the name implying they are.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 10:22 PM
90. What is comical is you folks not admitting the Republiconvicts support growing government even more than the democrats. They just lie about how they go about it. No bid contracts. Privatization. Pork. Earmarks. Tax breaks for big oil, and billionaires. Handing off our tax dollars to their rich buddies, while doing all they can to cut help for the poor.

Trickle up economics.

1.78 million people filed bankruptcy because of medical bills last year. Do you think the GOP gives a sh*t? It seems the more people suffer the happier they are.

Republiconvicts, and their "conservative economics" that only benefit the people that do not need help. Sickening.

America needs the GOP like dogs need fleas....

Posted by: All Facts Support My Positions on August 28, 2008 10:25 PM
91. Rick D, fair enough on agree to disagree. I agree Kelo was bad (from the details I have at least, I'm not very well learned on that and I admit it) but that has nothing to do with the ACLU except linking it by the judge to former work.

Generally people who object to the ACLU object to them defending (successfully in many cases) people who probably did commit a crime but had their rights violated by the police. The 'fruit of the poisonous tree' type situations where, as an example, a cop decided to search someone because they had a hunch, and they find drugs, but since they had no warrant and no RAS, it gets thrown out.

Maybe you have other objections - I obviously can't speak to those without reading them so maybe I'm wrong here. But if it's the above type situations, then yeah... I support the ACLU's work because due process and rights must be respected for the undesirables if I want it to be respected when I'm harassed by an officer for open carrying a firearm, for example.

Just to clarify though, I don't like their stance on the 2A (although they don't do anything to fight it as an organization, they just don't support it).

The Constitution does not grant us rights, it limits the power of the government, and it must be protected and the government held accountable to it for us to remain a free country. I'm all for any organization that holds the government to it, although I'd much rather they supported all 10 of the first 10 instead of just 9... or really 8, since no one really acknowledges the 10th anymore.

Anyway sorry I'm rambling, have a good night man.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 10:32 PM
92. Andrew~ An article by Ron Paul assessing the Kelo decision by the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 10:32 PM
93. All the other arguements about the candidates are really magnitudes smaller than the number one issue at stake. This election can be a quick and irreversible march towards socialism/marxism, or it can be at least a holding pattern until another real conservative leader emerges... hopefully for the 2012 election. (Note to GOP - PLAN AHEAD NEXT TIME!). Or if we're luckey, McCain will move to the right once he's elected and will actually turn out to be the right person for the times.

Posted by: Scott on August 28, 2008 10:35 PM
94. All facts,

There are many things I feel the Republican party can be criticized on, but privatization does not grow government. Tax breaks are not bad either when they allow those entities that earn something to keep more of it.

Get your hands out of our pockets and stop acting like we're pariahs because we produced and engaged in voluntary trade with others for our own profit.

Profit.
Is.
Not.
Evil.

It is the engine of our civilization. If you don't like it, may I suggest you study Cuba for your endgame.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 10:36 PM
95. A discussion for another night Andrew. Good night and keep fighting the good fight.

...re: post at 80- any takers on how much good could have come from the hundreds of millions spent on tonights coronation of Obama? What an incredible gesture to have forgone 4 nights of pomp and circumstance to actually put your money where your mouth is...a new kind of politician as advertised, right?

Posted by: Rick D. on August 28, 2008 10:40 PM
96. Rick, 93, I don't disagree with anything there, but to be fair even though I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul, I'd have to read the decision before I could speak to it with any confidence.

Obviously I deplore taking anyone's property - I wish we had 'allodial' title in this country. Property rights - starting with ownership of one's self and extending to ownership of your time and other property - are the basis of all liberty and should be inviolable under any circumstances.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on August 28, 2008 10:42 PM
97. Albert Speer Jr.???? ok. Here I draw the line.
Architect for this lovely stage set tonight... his father was a Nazi war criminal, sentenced at Nurenberg. He was allowed to live, serving some 20 years, because he openly repented to the court, and wrote a book saying how he got involved with Hitler. I haven't read too many Nazi books, but this one I have.

So, this is his son. Obviously not raised by his infamous father. So why is he hangin with this Obama socialist lowlife? Did he not pay attention to the hard lessons his father learned? Maybe he should read his father's book.

or...Why is the possible next president of the United States of America hiring this questionalble German architect???

or... Why is the DNC hiring a man whose father was tried at Nurenberg????

The list of unsavery people keeps growing. Just who is running the democrat party these days??? Sure makes the Clintons look good.

Posted by: ljm on August 28, 2008 11:09 PM
98. Say it aint so Obama...say it aint so!!!

Posted by: Pacific Grove Phlash on August 28, 2008 11:21 PM
99. He hired the son of the Nazi to distract from the domestic terrorist Ayers.

Posted by: Truth on August 28, 2008 11:51 PM
100. Oh, hilarious. SP gets pwned (again!) by Sadly, No!:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11294.html#comments

Why do all of those Republicans love terrorism?

Posted by: tensor on August 29, 2008 12:02 AM
101. Densor, it seems to me that your boy pacto is leading the terrorist defense here.

Why do all these leftists get so lame, especially when all we get is moronic responses like Densors??

Posted by: hinton on August 29, 2008 12:34 AM
102. #86: EVERYONE HERE WILL NOTICE YOU FAILED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, DINESH. But I'll answer these, as I see them. But you're going to have to respond to my question.

1: republicans spent more--guess what, that was a DEMOCRAT 'accomplishment', which is why the conservative base was having fits with them.

2: smaller govt--against the wishes of the conservative base made it bigger by instituting a medicare drug program--a DEMOCRAT 'acomplishment', however. Spending was screwy--they actually gave Sound Transit oodles of money and Patty Murray half a million for her lame sculpture park---really brainless moves. They get an F for that stuff.

the aforementioned are things the conservative base did not want, because it involved democrat-type spending. So I didn't like it; you, dinesh, would consider these accomplishments, so it's a wash on those, depending on who you are.

4: greater individual freedom (SEE ALSO #3): thankfully, late-term human baby boys and girls got a break--at least until some judge blocked it, but thankfully the supremes later upheld this life-saving law-- from being stabbed in the head with scissors and having their brains ripped out. This is huge. Obama would have preferred these boys and girls were killed.

Roth 401Ks came into being. That was a step toward greater freedom to save beneficially for retirement for more people. The Roth was previously too limited as to who could have one.

Sadly, the liberals on the Supreme Court gave us a stinker of a decision in Kelo. But thankfully George W and this congress gave us two new supreme court justices who likely would not have put their approval on that horrifying government grab/theft of our right to own property. I consider these two justices an accomplishment in its own right, and a piece of insurance to protect us in the future from more of same.

Medical savings accounts--


3: TAX CUTS (MY FAVORITE TOPIC): YES! They definitely got this one right. No president except W in the last 16 years CUT INCOME TAXES for anyone, including the middle class, EXCEPT for George W. In fact, everyone who pays taxes got an INCOME TAX CUT. Which is good. It was a boost to our pocketbooks and had a great effect on the stock market. IT ALSO INCREASED INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. When you keep more of what you earn, your freedom just increased. When, in the bad old times, we had 90% tax rates, that was just another form of being a government slave, quite frankly.

We also saw the republicans institute a SALES TAX DEDUCTION, which was great for Washingtonians for the last few years. Now that we have a democrat congress, it's gone and TOO BAD THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE NEXT TO NOTHING TO REVIVE IT. Talk is REAL cheap, dems.

DEATH TAX WAS LOWERED. It should be lower still, but at least W and the republicans did something toward getting rid of 55% ROB-THE-DEAD-BODY tax rates.
You may not like anything I've said here, and frankly I don't really care what you think about my answers, so don't waste any energy responding to them; the point is-- I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, DINESH.

SO "MAN UP" AND ANSWER MINE, DINESH----WHAT WERE OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHILE IN OFFICE?

Posted by: Michele on August 29, 2008 01:13 AM
103. any office....even as a state senator (though crusading to put to death children born alive doesn't count...)

Posted by: Michele on August 29, 2008 01:17 AM
104. Oprah paid 15k to stay in one house for one night in Denver overnight during the deification of Barack Obama last night.......wouldn't that money be better spent on the poor and downtrodden that both of these charlatan's propose to help? Feel free to answer Obamaphiles...

A disconnect from a message? me think so.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 29, 2008 03:13 AM
105. I haven't read through all of the comments, so if someone has already linked to this video, I apologize. If you haven't seen this video of a man whose family's home was bombed by the Weather Underground when he was 9 years old, it shows the lie that their bombings were no big deal.
Councilman John Murtagh Interview

Posted by: Bill H on August 29, 2008 07:51 AM
106. @87 Rick D:

"McCain will get my vote this November by default, based solely on the reality that the SCOTUS is the final arbiter and interpreter of the Constitution. . . We can't afford another 2 ACLU American haters to be appointed. . ."

@90 Rick D:
"Former ACLU lawyer and current SCOTUS jurist Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a perfect example of what they would do to the Constitution. . ."

McCain voted to confirm Ginsburg and Breyer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031895/posts

@94 Scott
"Or if we're luckey, McCain will move to the right once he's elected and will actually turn out to be the right person for the times."

That just it, McCain will do whatever suits McCain, and has for years. It just so happens that he has needed to run to the right during this election cycle in order to get McCain closer to being elected. Once the man has power, I'd liken it to what Bush said after his re-election, that he has a mandate. The difference is, John McCain would start out that way, and likely go his own way.

Posted by: Constitutionalist on August 29, 2008 07:56 AM
107. @ 107 Umm. so what is your advice Constitutionalist? write in Ron Paul and piss away my vote this November?

McCain has said he'd put strict constructionists on the SCOTUS while we know that Obama would put Bader Ginsburg clones on it.......which is more dangerous of the two in your eyes to our American way of life?

I have to go with the lesser of two evils instead of whine about what could have been.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 29, 2008 10:50 AM
108. dinesh.....crickets....

Posted by: Michele on August 29, 2008 11:25 AM
109. that was a REALLY dumb ad. this isnt 2004, scare tactics are getting old

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