August 22, 2008
Joe Biden Open Thread

Joe Biden is apparently Obama's choice for VP, as if you didn't already know. Discuss. Or don't.

Posted by pudge at August 22, 2008 11:22 PM | Email This
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1. Huh, I thought Barry O was gonna do something exciting, revolutionary, groundbreaking. Biden? He coulda made worse choices. But it's kinda boring.

Meh.

Hairy

Posted by: Hairy Buddah on August 22, 2008 11:37 PM
2. Well they are both plagiarizers.

Posted by: ChangeandHope on August 23, 2008 12:11 AM
3. That "flushing" sound you hear is the sound of a campaign that was already in the toilet heading for the sewer.

Posted by: Hinton on August 23, 2008 12:29 AM
4. Our 19 yr old says: "Biden? So basically he picked an old guy to back him up".

Out of the mouths of babes.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 23, 2008 12:44 AM
5. Well, I like this Biden Quote from ABC: "No sooner had word spread of his selection than McCain's campaign unleashed its first attack. Spokesman Ben Porritt said in a statement that Biden had "denounced Barack Obama's poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing that Barack Obama is not ready to be president."

As evidence, Republicans cited an ABC interview from August 2007, in which

Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president.

Out of the mouths of babes, indeed.

By the time this is over, Oliar will realize what a colossal, horrific mistake he's made.

Posted by: Hinton on August 23, 2008 12:58 AM
6. Pudge, I'm so glad for this open thread. My first thought when I heard it was Biden: oh boy. Not good for Barack. The reason? Biden goes back quite a way. A lot of us don't know that much about Biden, except for one thing: The name Biden is synonymous with "plagiarism." I wasn't paying that much attention to politics at the time (which is bad for Biden, due to the following), but all I know is that there was a big story in the news that he was caught plagiarizing. That's all I knew; which means that all anyone else like me who was only minorly paying any attention to politics at that time remembers is Biden=plagiarism (and thusly, bad character). I realize that I can go online and read up on what actually happened. The problem is, many won't; they'll just know "Biden? He was the plagiarizer, wasn't he?"
Not good, Obama.

Posted by: Michele on August 23, 2008 01:09 AM
7. Wow, Hinton. I didn't know that Biden had said that about Obama. And guess what---Biden was absolutely correct. Obama is extremely poor on foreign policy, and absolutely isn't ready to be president. I hate to say it, but patty Murray is probably more ready to be president than Barack Obama. And she'd be, well, a terrible president.

I am frankly shocked that O would pick Biden after that.
Add that to the plagiarist reputation that Biden created for himself, and you realize---wow, things CAN get worse for Obama.

Posted by: Michele on August 23, 2008 01:14 AM
8. Oh boy---I was just reminded when reading the link from Drudge that Biden was the one who described Obama as a "clean" black candidate. Oh. My.

why, Barack, why.....

Posted by: Michele on August 23, 2008 01:29 AM
9. Talk about an early xmas present for McCain this is it. Biden has an ego the size of Texas and his arrogance should embarrass the Obama campaign many times over before election day. BIdens past presidential bids drew nothing but yawns and lasted only a few weeks. This pick is the biggest of many strategic errors for the Obama campaign. You would think after two years of campaigning they could do better than Biden.

Posted by: ROCKETMAN on August 23, 2008 06:42 AM
10. I have to wonder why Obama picked some "old white guy" to give him cred.

I'd say more, but I can't stop laughing.

Posted by: Camille on August 23, 2008 06:48 AM
11. Biden also has had many glowing things to say about McCain, including that he would be happy to run WITH OR AGAINST (!!) McCain, that the country would get a good President if McCain were elected.

Plus, Biden was a big hawk before the invasion of Iraq, and has been a big supporter of keeping troops in Iraq until the war is won (supporting McCain, and criticizing Obama, on that issue).

And Biden has been with McCain in arguing against Bush on the handling of the war, so Biden undermines the Obama argument that "McSame" is just a clone of Bush.

Posted by: pudge on August 23, 2008 06:50 AM
12. I'm not a Biden fan; I don't care for him. I'll have to wait to see what Hillary says at the convention...but voting for McCain is a possibility. :)

Posted by: Duffman on August 23, 2008 06:51 AM
13. Duffman
Come on over, the water is fine.

An interesting thing about Biden was his relationship with Strom Thurmond. He even gave Strom's eulogy when he passed away.


Posted by: Puget Sound on August 23, 2008 07:30 AM
14. I have often seen him on the Sunday news shows, and often thought he came off Smarmy.

Posted by: keb on August 23, 2008 07:45 AM
15. I think Rush Limbaugh said a few days ago something to the effect that if Biden, no stage will be big enough to hold the combined arrogance/ego of Obama+Biden. So true.

Biden seems like a lackluster pick. Now McCain has to capitalize on this huge opportunity. If he can come up with an impressive pick, he could suddenly open up a nice lead.

Posted by: russell garrard on August 23, 2008 08:23 AM
16. Finally, By picking Biden we now understand what Obama means when he says "CHANGE" washington. He is going to change the seating assignments.

Posted by: Jon on August 23, 2008 08:34 AM
17. When it comes to smug, smarmy pomposity, Biden is second only to up-Chucky Schumer.

Posted by: ecurbh on August 23, 2008 08:43 AM
18. I happened to remember this funny story from the NY Times about Biden's performance in the Alito hearing:
Alito can't get a word in edgewise

Excerpt:
"The highest ratio of words per panelist to words per nominee was that of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, who managed to ask five questions in his 30-minute time allotment.

"I understand, Judge, I am the only one standing between you and lunch, so I'll try to make this painless," he began, with some promise.

Mr. Biden then dived into a soliloquy on Judge Alito's failure to recuse himself from cases involving the Vanguard mutual fund company, which managed the judge's investments. After 2 minutes 50 seconds - short for the senator - Mr. Biden did appear to veer toward a question, but abandoned it to cite Judge Alito's membership in a conservative Princeton alumni group. Mr. Biden discoursed on that for a moment, then interrupted himself with an aside about his son who "ended up going to that other university, the University of Pennsylvania."

Judge Alito, who had been sitting without expression through Mr. Biden's musings, interrupted the senator midword, got out three sentences, then settled in for nearly 26 minutes more of Mr. Biden, with the senator doing most of the talking. With less than a minute to spare, Mr. Biden concluded, thanked Judge Alito for "being responsive," then said to Mr. Specter that "I want to note that for maybe the first time in history, Biden is 40 seconds under his time."

The audience laughed appreciatively.

"

Posted by: russell garrard on August 23, 2008 08:50 AM
19. How I was hoping Obama would pick Biden! NBC and the mainstream networks gushed last night about Biden's character and mentioned over and over how he'd lost his wife and a child in a car accident, and how he'd been in the Senate since he was 29, and on, and on.

And of course, Biden is a lawyer. It got me thinking. Do the Democrats ever run anyone, anywhere who isn't an attorney? Republicans have their share of lawyers too but my head started to hurt when I tried to think of any elected Democrat in the past 30-years that wasn't an attorney.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on August 23, 2008 09:03 AM
20. Al Gore wasn't a lawyer.

Of course, he dropped out of law school--couldn't seem to maintain the grades.

One wonders how he didn't lose his Democrat credentials when he failed to become a lawyer. I think that's a requirement for joining that party.

Posted by: Camille on August 23, 2008 09:35 AM
21. How is the Obama camp going to spin that Biden voted for the Iraq war too?


Posted by: LCRW on August 23, 2008 09:41 AM
22. How is the Obama camp going to spin that Biden voted for the Iraq war too?


Posted by: LCRW on August 23, 2008 09:42 AM
23. So *now* McCain is going to attack Obama as inexperienced? Wasn't he doing that already? McCain is ready on Day One!

Posted by: Quincy on August 23, 2008 09:57 AM
24. What's the matter Duffie. The "shock" has over taken you! LOL

By the way, need a Medic? Even though I'm retired now, I think I can still help you out. (-:

PS I bet Billary is just tearing into Bill right now.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on August 23, 2008 09:58 AM
25. Congratulations are in order for the Jr. Senator from Illinois. You've picked your new training wheels out and will attempt to ride the bike to 1600 Pennsylvania in November. Good luck, son.

I was hoping the Chi-town @$$clown would pick Biden as he has plenty of baggage to draw from in a campaign.
Biden is clearly a racist as he displays in this video link. I'm sure the Indian-American community will be interested to witness the DNC's VP candidate demeaning their race while talking to a member of their own community. Can you say ignorant?

McCain/Romney 2008

Posted by: Rick D. on August 23, 2008 10:02 AM
26. Biden? Blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, zzzzzzzzz.

Has he stopped talking yet? When he was talking, did he actually say anything?

zzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on August 23, 2008 10:38 AM
27. One of the many disgusting aspects of liberalism is their conception of working class as being whiny, self-pitying and resentful. The Biden/Kinnock screed was a good example, as is anything John 99% truthful Edwards says. My father was born on a homestead in a sod house with a dirt floor. He never sounded like either of those two self-defined working class heros.

Posted by: Bill on August 23, 2008 10:45 AM
28. Biden and Obama - two of a kind - open mouth, insert foot.

Obama did not help himself nearly as much as he could have if he chose Hillary Clinton - then hired a food taster and an extra bodyguard - may have been worth that investment - ya think ?

Posted by: KS on August 23, 2008 11:31 AM
29. Another note about Joe Biden:
Biden, with loose lips that sink ships, who once said that McCain is the only person qualified to be president in this time of war on Nov. 30, 2007 and another time he said that Obama was not ready for prime time with his lack of security experience.

It will also be interesting to hear what the Clinton's have to say - and what they don't say...

The McCain campaign will probably address this in an ad soon. "The One" made what I would call a conflicted choice. I hope that McCain does not choose Lieberman and instead chooses Pawlenty or even Romney.

Posted by: KS on August 23, 2008 11:37 AM
30. I can't wait for the Romney/Biden vice-presidential debate. Mitt will wipe the floor with Biden.

Posted by: diamondshards on August 23, 2008 11:52 AM
31. Biden is the Original Unguided Missile. It is going to be entertaining to hear and see the blather that will eminate from this guy on the campaign stump, not to mention the rehash of the history of slo-joe. Hilarious!

Posted by: sasquatch on August 23, 2008 12:48 PM
32. CNN just reported that Sen.Joe Biden is the poorest member of the US senate at a net worth of $-300,000...in case you missed it, that was a minus symbol in front of that figure.

No word yet from the Obama camp on how this personal fiscal failure VP nominee is supposed to help lift up the sagging U.S. economy.

..and this is how the Jr. Senator from Illinois introduced his VP nominee:

"The next president of the United states,...uh...der...duh..errr..uh, Vice president of the United states...Joe Biden"

Comedy central can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 23, 2008 01:27 PM
33. CNN just reported that Sen.Joe Biden is the poorest member of the US senate at a net worth of $-300,000...in case you missed it, that was a minus symbol in front of that figure.

No word yet from the Obama camp on how this personal fiscal failure VP nominee is supposed to help lift up the sagging U.S. economy.

..and this is how the Jr. Senator from Illinois introduced his VP nominee:

"The next president of the United states,...uh...der...duh..errr..uh, Vice president of the United states...Joe Biden"

Comedy central can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Rick D. on August 23, 2008 01:29 PM
34. I met Joe Biden when he spoke at the Washington State Young Democrates Convention in 1976. He had been a Senator for three and a half years. He was billed as a future star for the party and might one day have the experience to run for President. It must seem silly to Joe Biden that Obama felt he was ready to run for President after 147 days in office.

I old enough to join AARP and Biden has been in office since I was a kid. " Now that's change we can believe in."

Posted by: Moondoggie on August 23, 2008 01:32 PM
35. CNN just reported that Sen.Joe Biden is the poorest member of the US senate at a net worth of $-300,000...in case you missed it, that was a minus symbol in front of that figure.

Some funny comments I read on another blog:

Lerxst writes: Saturday, August, 23, 2008 10:50 AM

Poor, poor Joe
In 2005 Slow Joe was ranked 99th out of 100 senators in terms of personal wealth.

In 2006, Open Secrets lists Biden as 108th out of all US Senators with a near negative value on total income and assets.
108th???? Is Delaware the 57th state?

Anyone want to let this guy near the reins of the economy?

Babinich writes: Saturday, August, 23, 2008 12:56 PM

Ha ha ha... it's Obama/Biden!
What a ticket; a tabula rasa and a babbling idiot (the best part is that the descriptions are interchangeable).

Obama/Biden 08... No, Dumb/Dumber 08!
Can you hear it? I do...
Somewhere off in the distance I hear the maniacal laugh of Mr. Putin.
God help us...

kchand writes: Saturday, August, 23, 2008 1:31 PM

The Dem ticket
Umm/Dumb '08

From another blog:

Friday afternoon, on Howie Carr's show, one of his callers came up with what ought to be the default description of the Democratic ticket:

"Empty suit and stuffed shirt."

I can't stop laughing!

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 23, 2008 01:56 PM
36. Let's not forget Joe Biden's stellar performance as the Judiciary Chair during the Clarence Thomas Hearings. He didn't exactly shower himself in glory the way he let that thing spin out of control back in the day.
He voted to approve Thomas to the full Senate for confirmation if memory serves. Which is interesting as Obama has cited Justice Thomas for being unqualified.

Posted by: Puget Sound on August 23, 2008 01:59 PM
37. RD, you owe me a keyboard for that one... I spit up all over it!

Empty suit and stuffed shirt! THERE'S a bumper sticker, kiddies!

Posted by: Hinton on August 23, 2008 02:56 PM
38. This is now arguably the most anti-gun presidential ticket ever, beating even Gore-Lieberman.

Obama is on record supporting a ban on all semi-autos, and Biden has been a leader in the Senate on gun-control.

I didn't know that he claimed credit for authoring the first 'assault weapon' ban (even before Sen. Feinstein.

This is going to be an albatross for the ticket, just as it was for Gore and Kerry.

Posted by: russell garrard on August 23, 2008 04:30 PM
39. What's even more bizarre, Biden's been one of the most anti-pot Senators in history. Sure to go over well with most Obama supporters! And Obama's on record as supporting revisiting the legalization of pot...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on August 23, 2008 06:43 PM
40. Barry, as we all know, has earned the title of THE most liberal Senator in 2007. What's little mentioned is that Joe B is THIRD on that list... and he actually beats out Bernie Sanders, ADMITTED SOCIALIST, who comes in 4th!

The ratings system -- devised in 1981 under the direction of William Schneider, a political analyst and commentator, and a contributing editor to National Journal -- also assigns "composite" scores, an average of the members' issue-based scores. In 2007, Obama's composite liberal score of 95.5 was the highest in the Senate. Rounding out the top five most liberal senators last year were Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., with a composite liberal score of 94.3; Joseph Biden, D-Del., with a 94.2; Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with a 93.7; and Robert Menendez, D-N.J., with a 92.8.

Good grief.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 23, 2008 07:59 PM
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