August 20, 2008
Primary Notes: Rossi v. Gregoire

Much like the Reichert v. Burner race discussed below on the main page, we really didn't learn much new about the contest between Dino Rossi and Christine Gregoire.

In the end, however, Rossi pollster Bob Moore might end up looking rather prescient. From a Rossi campaign pre-primary memo:

You will recall the July 9-10 Moore Information poll had the race at 45-45 for both candidates. In that same survey Christine Gregoire had a nine point lead among voters who have cast ballots in each of the last four elections: so called "perfect" or "four of four" voters. Obviously these are the voters most likely to vote in this primary:
Moore Information
July 9-10, 2008, N=400
Among 4/4 voters only
Gubernatorial Ballot
Rossi: 42%
Gregoire: 51%
Neither: 1%
Don't know: 6%
Party Affiliation
REP: 35%
IND: 15%
DEM: 46%

As of this typing the Governor's race is at a 49% - 45% spread in favor of Gregoire. By the time counties count the rest of the ballot, especially in slow-to-tally King, one expect a margin rather close to what Moore previewed.

Of course, that's a correct forecast of likely primary voters, which in real numbers is going to end up being under 40% of the electorate. That's a totally different universe - as Moore established - than the 80% or so turnout expected in November. For reference, statewide turnout in 2004 was 82.2%.

All the more reason that the comparisons between this primary and the '04 General that have been circulating in some circles, including in comments at this site, are simply laughable.

Posted by Eric Earling at August 20, 2008 08:30 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Well I think we learned that Rossi is toast. How does a five point loss in a race where Rossi's base had every reason to turn out and Gregoire's did not indicate anything but loss in November? What is going to change in the general besides a massive turnout of (mostly democratic) Obama voters?

Rossi lost or won by much smaller than expected margins in counties he should have cruised through - Spokane and Asotin come to mind - and got creamed in King county.

Rossi needed and expected (despite the pre-election expectation games) to win. He didn't. It's going to be a long three months at Rossi HQ.

Posted by: Jill Strait on August 20, 2008 09:52 PM
2. Needless to say, comment #1 is not actually from Rossi Communications Director Jill Strait. But from a coward.

Posted by: Eric Earling on August 20, 2008 10:45 PM
3. Somehow I don't think the author of Post # 1 was actually Jill Strait. Whoever did it, even put the e-mail address of JStrait@dinorossi.com for the author.

Posted by: Richard Pope on August 20, 2008 10:47 PM
4. Just so you all know, there were 7 more Rossi votes in my immediate family - they just don't vote in the primaries, only the general election.

Posted by: Doug on August 20, 2008 10:54 PM
5. Typically leftist scum, "Jill."

Posted by: Hinton on August 21, 2008 12:43 AM
6. Dino needs to get after "Chris". There must be something as an attorney that she has supported that a Willie Horton like ad could highlight her ultra liberal bent.

Posted by: pete on August 21, 2008 07:03 AM
7. Other than judgeships, was there any reason to vote in the primaries? The cost and time committment for normal people to run for public service offices is too high. So, we get what we get in most cases and that is uncontested primaries we try to attach meaning to the votes.

You can't even rely on Tuesday night counting because too many votes are still in the mail.

Posted by: swatter on August 21, 2008 07:19 AM
8. Bye Bye Gregoire!!!!!

Posted by: TruePatriot on August 21, 2008 07:56 AM
9. Rossi's biggest challenge is to get voters to understand the implication of Gregoire's $8 BILLION of increased spending and the corresponding $2.9 BILLION Deficit for the next biennium. He needs to contest the major spending increases....but then focus on the implication HIGHER TAXES.
Folks in Seattle and King Kounty are feeling taxed to death. Rossi needs to connect with them...and give them hope. He also needs to paint the bleak picture of what the consequences of $8 BILLION of spending increases means to their pocketbooks.

I'd love to see a detailed chart that outlines ALL the taxes & fees in Seattle & King KOUNTY including the hidden taxes like B&O. It's staggering. A chart like this would say it all....and Gregoire wants to pile on more!

Until 49.3% of Wasington residents FEEL strongly they are being overtaxes, the Dems will prevail. Rossi needs to show ALL the taxes being paid (Fed, State and Local) and then fan the flames of discontent.

It's not an easy task. Ross Perot did it with all his graphs & charts. It was humorous..and highly effective. He could have won in 1992 had he really wanted to.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on August 21, 2008 08:22 AM
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Posted by: christian dating on August 21, 2008 10:30 AM
11. Mr. Cynical - Republican can't win King County.

Posted by: Crusader on August 21, 2008 11:36 AM
12. Crusader - Republican can't win Washington State. That's why not a single Republican candidate has won the Governorship since 1980 (and Gov. Spellman was a RINO at best). Rossi is clearly on track for loss #2.

Posted by: Mr. Realist on August 21, 2008 01:30 PM
13. Wanna read a real gem?

The primary signaled a change of "the status quo," Burner said Tuesday night, adding, "An incumbent who gets below 50 percent (in a primary), that incumbent does not survive the November election."

So, does Burner mean that Gregoire is going to lose?

Posted by: Cliff on August 21, 2008 02:00 PM
14. My wife and I didn't put in our votes that will go to Rossi in the general and I don't think we're the only ones.

Posted by: Apollo on August 21, 2008 02:18 PM
15. Obama Wave? He has lost a 7 point lead in the last month or so and is now at 1.5% above McCain.

If that is an Obama Wave I have two things to say:

Watch the Hillary Clinton Machine kick in (2008 is just around the corner for her, and a shoe in nomination if Obama loses

and

a 1.5% lead is hardly a ripple let alone a wave.

PS Gregoire's lead has slipped a bit as more of the absentees are being counted and posted.

Rossi 45.54%

Gregoire 48.90%

A lead of 3.36%

Add the other dropped out republican and democratic votes to the mix and you get potential


Rossi 47.89%

Gregoire 50.1%

a lead of 2.21%

And the gloves and debates have not come off yet.

Stay tune


Posted by: gs on August 21, 2008 04:23 PM
16. Just so you all know. King County failed to send me my ballot: again! (This makes 3 times in the last 3 primaries).

I will once again call them and insist the send me my general election ballot and I will vote for Rossi.

Posted by: Cicero on August 23, 2008 11:31 PM
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