A note from an otherwise interesting P-I article on the environmental activism/beliefs of some fervent Christians:
Even opposition from evangelicals, the Christian group considered least likely to embrace warnings of climate change, might be lessening.
This is the problem with pigeonholing people based on flawed stereotypes and misperceptions. Evangelicals were considered "least likely" by folks in some circles because they viewed evangelicals through the lens of Evangelical Christian = right wing social issues wacko who is afraid of science.
Obviously, that's not correct, which a little reporting, rather than relying on biased assumptions, actually verifies.
Posted by Eric Earling at July 23, 2008 09:53 PM | Email Thisand one is surprised?
Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on July 23, 2008 10:27 PMThose who say they know how old the Earth is are expressing an opinion, because science is the study of and the publishing of opinions and theories.
Those who "...think the world is only 6,000 years old..." are expressing an opinion, because Church is the preaching of and the publishing of opinions and theories.
How old is Earth? Older than dirt. How old is the "world" you live in? I dunno. When was Marx born, because we are living in his world, his workers paradise? Thanks to FDR and millions of useful idiots.
Posted by: barrackslawyer on July 23, 2008 11:09 PMIf, by "science" you mean an honest attempt to study the world you live in...as opposed to another "Gore-ism," then a Christian would have no trouble with it.
Posted by: scott158 on July 23, 2008 11:37 PMThis clever piece of confusion designed to misuse shame for those 'not on board' with the great solutions of the necessary "cultural and spiritual transformation" (whatever Cizik means by that) is disgusting.
So you come right into the temple and declare your ways are better than His? What about declaring a year of national prayer to stop GW instead of hiding behind the Bible? At least they acknowledge their Father and then pervert the whole thing for their own use. JC warned us of these types.
Say for a moment this latest tool of entitlement selfishness were factual (Warming stuff) (Remember the perfect race had its science too!)....our best strategy is prayer not shaming right wing wackos into the cause. Why do you want them in the cause?? I thought they are the fountain of all evil? To the point of using terminology in this article that is nothing short of bigotry.
BTW those mandates are to rule and subdue not protect and care. So every right wing fascist nut case Christian go get married and have 6 kids.
One more thing...Cizik I'll give you your prevision of Gen 1:28 if I get the others in the Bible like capital punishment, closed borders, real legal justice not social justice, taxation at biblical levels, acknowledgement of our desperate need for the loving guidance of a father, peace meaning what it means: my foot on the neck of my enemies, murdering by abortion stopped.
But I know you won't make that trade because you won't stop until were all on the pyre and if you gotta use the word of God so be it (and ignore the other inconvenient mandates). All means justify the destruction of all life (that is meant for eternity) to save what we are surely told is not going to last (this earth). That though can only come from the pit of hell.
The Legend has these stereotypes, as does the PI, and tries futilely to quantify them.
If Wallis and his sojourners are evangelical about anything, it's not about faith in God. It's about faith in liberalism.
Back in the dark ages, when really religious evangelicals were voting for born-again Mr. Peanut, the media were not concerned about the miscegination of religion and politics. But when evangelicals wised up, after about one year of Peanut's presidency, and started cheering for Reagan, that's when the media flipped out and started shrieking about violations of the inviolable wall between church & state.
Posted by: Let us pray on July 24, 2008 11:14 AMAlbert Einstein
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
"The more I study science the more I believe in God," Albert Einstein once remarked.
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Michelle, you are wasting your time with virulent pro-borts. There is a reason they have to take such a strident, ridiculous, non-negotiable stand and 90% of the time in my opinion it is to justify their own actions to themselves. Next time, when their stridency is in full ugliness ask them a simple question: "Who have you aborted?" The other 10% in my opinion are simply sheep.
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Regarding the hard left and their view of bitter Christians, was anyone struck by they hypocrisy (again!) of those same dudes (you know, the ones that mocked Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan and Tony Snow when they died) dropping to their knees to pray for Ted Kennedy at the time of his terrible diagnosis?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on July 24, 2008 11:20 AMIt's not the P-I pigeonholing people here, it's a member of a national evangelical Christian group. Perhaps your ire is pointed in the wrong direction.
Now if you want to talk about creating human embryo beings and destroying them "for science", that's not about fear--that becomes very much an ethics issue to be debated. Some want to simplistically shut down debate by saying "oh, you're just afraid of science." Anything but, dear. But I will have an issue if you start behaving like Dr. Mengele, and I'll say so.
Posted by: Michele on July 24, 2008 01:12 PMBut, for this one guy to speak, he doesn't speak for all Evangelicals. So, in my opinion, the writer can use these quotes till he is blue in the face and it won't make an impression on me other than the person is overreaching.
Posted by: swatter on July 24, 2008 01:15 PMSome Americanized Catholics might disagree with that statement swat. -But NOT ME! :)
Posted by: Duffman on July 24, 2008 01:20 PMIn this way, it is just like religion.
So it is not surprising that there are religious folks who are AGW believers. McCain and Obama are both worshipers at the AGW altar.
AGW and religion are just two different forms of irrationality.
Sometimes, leaders of one form of religion are jealous of others. This is why the Soviets and Maoists tried to stamp out traditional religion. It competed with their state religion of socialism.
But reason works better than any form of irrational mysticism. We'd be better off with more of that, and less AGW and the other religions.
Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on July 24, 2008 01:48 PMStefan has made you look like a stupid jerk. But, he doesn't care. Do you?
Posted by: W. Klingon Skousen on July 25, 2008 09:10 AMThe people who espouse survival of the fittest are the social Darwinians who havwe inherited wealth and declared themselves to be 'the fittest'.
Posted by: W. Klingon Skousen on July 25, 2008 09:51 AMThe statement that a living thing will survive if it is fit to survive in no way compares with saying that ONLY the fittest will survive.
If that were the case, there'd be damn few survivors. Don't miscast something that you don't understand and then brand the correction as mere nitpicking.
You are not qualified to make that assertation.
Not all opinions are equal.
Posted by: W. Klingon Skousen on July 25, 2008 01:04 PMWhat do you think of that, genius?
Posted by: W. Klingon Skousen on July 25, 2008 03:10 PMYou seem to have this image of yourself as a WF Buckley Jr. type.
Now try to focus: Christians and Muslims are part of the class "religious." That class is outbreeding the class "atheist." Ipso facto, atheists are on the extinction list.
Apologize for your boorishness, or run along and play.
Posted by: The Pirate on July 25, 2008 05:43 PMHe's far from the only one to have said such a thing, either.
25 years later, still no Rapture, so I guess the "Left Behind" set is slowly pulling their heads from their asses. Good for them.
Posted by: cpk on July 26, 2008 01:19 PMOops.
Posted by: cpk on July 26, 2008 01:23 PMOccasional mention or honest debate questions are fine. Devoting a conservative political blog to the subject is foolish, and will rid you of those nasty "right wing Christians." and Jews.
Posted by: ljm on July 26, 2008 09:35 PM