June 19, 2008
Those Ads Must Be Working

That would be these ads, which prompted this response from Christine Gregoire:

"We have hit rock bottom in this campaign and it is only June," Gregoire said of the ad campaign. "I call on my Republican opponent Dino Rossi to denounce the BIAW and these ads and instead run a campaign focused on good policy and the issues."

If these relatively benign ads are "rock bottom" then we've hit a new low for the pansification of local politics. It's not as if outside groups on either side are likely to become more polite as the campaign season unfolds.

Moreover, can we expect Greogoire to "denounce" the inevitably warm and sunny ads that will emanate from an equivalent PAC on the Democratic side?

Not likely.

Faux outrage is always a cute way to change the subject, but it also shows that the radio ads in question have landed a punch. Otherwise there's no reason to speak up about them.

Posted by Eric Earling at June 19, 2008 07:39 AM | Email This
Comments
1. What's the definition of an attack add? One that tells the truth about a Democrat policy or program that failed.

Posted by: Chuck Berlemann on June 19, 2008 07:51 AM
2. Wow, Christine, it'slearly going to be a long haul to November for you, at this rate.

Better lay off those cigarettes to lighten up that complexion.

Posted by: Uchitachi on June 19, 2008 07:53 AM
3. Faux Outrage. Isn't that called HorsesAss.org?

Yeah, we have hit rock bottom with Chris Gregoire. Much higher taxes. Scare tactics to pass a huge new gas tax for transportation in 2005, with very little to show since. Tribal favors that create more ways for people to squander their money, and allow it to get back in Democrat contributions. Mandatory public employee union dues to Democrats. Corruption at the Port of Seattle. Angry violent protests in Olympia. Talk of plastic bag bans. A whole new bureaucracy to police garbage in Seattle.

And MoveOn.org resorts to the exact same tactics all of the time. It's typical Leftist, just like Gregoire riding in a town car from the Governor's Mansion to her office a short walk away.

Do as they say, not as they do.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 19, 2008 07:59 AM
4. Sad.....gutter politics being defended as "benign". The dems will do the same things...you will call *foul* and they'll respond in kind.

It's US politics....sad.

Posted by: However on June 19, 2008 08:26 AM
5. After four years into her reign I guess the queen expected all her loyal and admiring subjects to bow down in awe. Focusing on good policy will all come in due time, but for now the focus seems to be on the failures of the incumbent administration. Perhaps another healing tour would be in order.

Posted by: ROCKETMAN on June 19, 2008 08:57 AM
6. Jeff B. @ 3

The Port of Seattle is run by REPUBLICANS. Three of the five current commissioners were endorsed by the Republican Party: Bill Bryant, John Creighton, and Lloyd Hara. A fourth commissioner, Pat Davis, was not actually endorsed by the Republican Party, but her last opponent, Jack Jolly, was endorsed by the Democratic Party. Davis was supported by prominent Republicans, such as Slade Gorton, Rob McKenna, and Jane Hague.

However, you may be right to blame the Port of Seattle fiascos on Governor Gregoire. Unfortunately, Gregoire has largely aligned herself with the REPUBLICAN CROOKS who run the Port of Seattle. For example, Gregoire supported Davis' re-election in 2005. And in 2007, Gregoire stayed neutral in the Port of Seattle races, and did nothing to support or help Democrats Alec Fisken (who was defeated by Republican Bill Bryant) or Gail Tarleton (who defeated Republican Bob Edwards). Gregoire also stayed neutral in the other high profile King County races last year.

Dino Rossi can at least be given credit for being politically savvy and returning the support of his supporters. While Gregoire stayed neutral in all the King County races last year, Rossi strongly backed the Republicans in every race -- Satterberg, Hague, Bryant, and Edwards.

Posted by: Richard Pope on June 19, 2008 09:09 AM
7. An unfair ad would be one attacking her looks, her husband (as a private person) or her kids.

But, attacking her record? That is supposed to be off-limits? Of course, that is the DalaiBama's recipe for campaigning. Gregoire subscribes to that school.

You know, it would be nice to purge our executives and legislators in Olympia. Just for a CHANGE.

I hope she still keeps at it. That old Portland Whine (Jailblazers with Drexler comes to mind) would sure taste good this summer.

Posted by: swatter on June 19, 2008 09:25 AM
8. You can try this sort of thing with any liberal you know. Disagree with them and they will become "outraged" and "offended". They simply assume in their big city strongholds like Seattle that everyone agrees with them.

It's part of their DNA. Liberals like Gregoire are used to being the political equivilant of schoolyard bullies. It's about time conservatives learned that the most effective way to deal with bullies is to hit them back.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on June 19, 2008 09:31 AM
9. Pope. Key word being "is." It was not always that way. But again, I'm not defending Republicans. If they are doing wrong, or just going along with the Democrats in Olympia and in DC, that's not helping either.

But the Democrats have shown themselves to be far worse. So it's the lesser of two evils. I mean really, spending time on plastic bag bans, when we have have serious transportation and energy issues in this state? Yet, that's what we get from the entirely entrenched Democrat majority in this state.

Or for example Seattle fretting about cyclists and spending millions to develop for what amounts to a very tiny percentage of the population. I'm a cyclist, I like safe roads, but I don't believe that my enjoyment should be forced on the majority of the population.

That's the Democrat way. Force the ideas of a small ideological contingent on everyone regardless of even any economic or societal benefit.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 19, 2008 09:34 AM
10. The ad featuring Obama is laughable. Of course, Obama was talking about change from the ways of George W. Bush. However, Dino Rossi is every bit a politician cast from the same mold as George W. Dino is an affable fellow who seems non-threatening in his ads but in reality is not very smart, would surround himself with right-wing ideologues in his administration and would use the powers of the executive branch to move the state as far right as he could get away with. His views on big issues like reproductive rights, environmental protection, transportation policy, and education clash significantly with the majority of Washingtonians. Gregoire may not be Washington's answer to Obama (more like Washington's version of Hillary - super competent and experienced, but not necessarily inspiring), but Dino Rossi would certainly be our state's answer to George W. Bush.

Posted by: BillL on June 19, 2008 09:50 AM
11. Hey, someone needs to warn me of potential whiplash when reading a comment like 10 above.

Posted by: swatter on June 19, 2008 10:03 AM
12. THESE are considered "hitting bottom"???? Well then it must be like Rush said: "You're not supposed to tell the truth about democrats. In their mind, that's considered an insult."
No, dear--the truth is simply the truth. And it will be told.

Posted by: Michele on June 19, 2008 10:09 AM
13. Nobody here will admit "both sides do it?????"

Further sadness, everywhere.

Posted by: However on June 19, 2008 10:10 AM
14. If the republican press machine were as snarky as it should be, it would respond with this paraphrase of Adlai Stevenson:

"We have a deal for the Governor. If she and her friend promise to stop telling lies about Dino Rossi, then he and BIAW will stop telling the truth about her."

Posted by: Paul on June 19, 2008 10:37 AM
15. #14: Ha--DING!

Posted by: Michele on June 19, 2008 10:47 AM
16. Oh, I see... Queen Christine wants to STEAL an election and expects everyone to play nice the next election. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

For starters: You better trade in your BIG BLUE CADDY for a Prius since you don't want drill for oil.

Posted by: Scott on June 19, 2008 10:53 AM
17. The audacity of the ieegitimate Queen is expected. How the hell can she slam this, while her shady deal with the tribes and her so-called total "ignorance" of their thereafter campaign contributions continues? It's called hypocrisy, and hopefully she will pay dearly fo it come Novemeber. No more stealing elections Crissy! BTW, I hear buddy Dean Logan is in trouble and up to his old tricks rigging elections in L.A. Who woulda thunk it?

Posted by: Mark1 on June 19, 2008 11:48 AM
18. There's an easy trump card to defeat Christine Gregoire. All the right, BIAW, Rossi Campaign, etc. have to do is repeatedly question her on where she stands on Drilling Here, and Drilling Now. And then post billboards with the results. November will be a referendum for many politicians on whether they plan to back up their rhetorical nonsense with action, of just keep spewing the same lies, while catering to their environmental interest groups.

The majority of WA voters will want to drill for more oil. There's only so many moonbats in Seattle. There are a lot of independents, middle of the road Democrats, Union Democrats, Soccer Moms, etc. that drive every day, and see the numbers at the pump. And they can implicitly connect the dots to see that doing nothing is not going to bring more gas to the pump at a better price.

They will vote with their pocketbooks.

Cater to the environmentalists, and lose the election.


Posted by: Jeff B. on June 19, 2008 11:52 AM
19. I think Jeff has it right. At $4+ gas prices Americans are finally wondering just why is it that we haven't been drilling for the oil we have. The polls show overwhelming support for drilling. The left has opposed domestic drilling for decades. I think the Democrats are in big trouble.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on June 19, 2008 12:13 PM
20. Jeff B. @18:

As a Gregoire supporter and Democratic voter, I would be happy to contribute to your proposal. The SUSA poll that gives you such confidence asks those questions in too much isolation to bank an attack on. But, you seem quite confident, so please go forward with your idea. I'm sure many of the readers of this blog would be willing to help you fund the effort.

Posted by: BillL on June 19, 2008 12:58 PM
21. In case you didn't see, the Democrats in Congress came out this week with the idea to nationalize oil refineries.

http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#a54ef44,2008-06-18

This is their answer to increasing drilling. The insanity shines at many levels, from screwing the American public by sending us into a full-blown depression, to the notion that pure Communism like this is somehow acceptable in the USA.

Actually, is it Communism, or Nationalist Socialism? Either way, it is anti-American.

Christine has shown to be in lockstep with everything Leftist, so one would expect she she supports either Communism or Nationalist Socialism. Which is it?

Posted by: zDawg on June 19, 2008 01:06 PM
22. Bill L,

I'm not going off of polls. I'm going off the gut feel of being an average American. Whether we like it or not, or disagree with it or not, we've built our economy on cheap energy and gasoline/ diesel. Our lifestyle in almost every single city revolves around our cars, and delivery of goods and services using out roads. Even Democrats who support transit have some implicit understanding of the fact that in cities without transit, it will be decades at best before there is any meaningful replacement of autos.

We must use our autos today. And we must do so for survival. Not getting to work, performing services, etc. is not an option. And we sit on top of billions of barrells of oil. In proven and unproven reserves, off of our coast and in areas all around the country. And we have the technology to drill horizontally and access vast fields with minimal surface interruption. And we sit on enough uranium to power our country for as far in to the future as we can imagine.

When the average voter starts to connect the dots with our current infrastructure, high prices at the pump, and a lack of willingness to use our own resources, ingenuity, etc. eventually they get fed up and realize that it is our own fault that we are in this predicament.

And then they start to ask who is we, and start looking for someone to take the fall. Senators, Congressmen, and Environmentalists are the three biggest reasons why we now have high gas prices. As this realization hits, and the realization that the only way out in the short and near term is to take responsibility for our energy needs, any politician or environmentalist standing in the way is in for a very rude awakening.

The environmentalists wanted high gas prices to force the issue. So now they get to deal with the awakened hordes.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 19, 2008 01:13 PM
23. Canada doing fine with US price of gas, thank you. Gov't even contemplating giving tax breaks to it's fuel consumers especially home heating fuel users. It's all good here.

Posted by: Canuck on June 19, 2008 01:13 PM
24. The D's are just a bunch of crybabies. They've already run attack ads against Dino via their pals in the WEA. This is just the begining and already they are whining. Sensitive lot, they are.

It is also interesting that a number of D's are starting to show their true communist colors. Nationalizing private industries is a page right out of the Castro/Chavez playbook.

It's about time they said what they really believe.

Posted by: Kato on June 19, 2008 01:22 PM
25. Jeff B @ #22 correctly notes:

''And we sit on enough uranium to power our country for as far in to the future as we can imagine.''

Yup.... and if fact if we get our act together and make 4th Generation fast neutron breeder reactors a priority, we could probably provide all electric power for the entire county for over 100 years JUST FROM THE ''SPENT'' FUEL in the cooling ponds at existing nuclear power plants; even with the projected signifcant growth in electric power consumption. That ''spent'' fuel still has about 95 percent of the potential energy left.

Of course even on a high-priority basis it will take a couple decades or so before significant numbers of Gen-IV reactor are online. But just like drilling: Every day we don't start is ONE more day of delay.

Posted by: Methow Ken on June 19, 2008 01:41 PM
26. Jeff B @22:

There are two big reasons why we now have high gas prices: supply and demand. Rapid industrialization of China, India and other parts of the developing world have dramatically increased demand while supply has remained relatively stable and, in fact, may have peaked. Environmentalists have had nothing to with this, though a set of environment-based realities certainly weigh against the sustainability of seeking the relatively moderate amounts of untapped oil supplies.

Environmentalists talk about this,but they did not create these problems.

Some of these environmental concerns are esthetic, but esthetics matter to a lot of people. People in Santa Barbara, for example, don't like seeing oil platforms on the horizon and they don't like small bits of tar washing up on their beaches. I'd be willing to bet a lot of Oregonians and Washingtonians would feel the same way.

More importantly, the reality of climate change (which I know most commenters on this board consider to be a commie plot but, you know, get over it) makes seeking more oil supplies, especially at the expense of esthetic and wildlife habitat losses, just not worth it. America will never have much oil supply compared to the Persian Gulf states. So, because of climate change, and because of national security concerns, it's time, as Bush himself says, to break the addiction. Gregoire has pursued policies, as much as possible at the state level, that help us break the addiction. Rossi, at best, pays lip service to them.

Posted by: BillL on June 19, 2008 01:46 PM
27. Eric,

Is "pansification" your own?

As a former uranium miner, I say "hear, hear" for nuclear power. Regarding disposal problems of the beautiful stuff, Yucca Mountain is the most carefully engineered disposal facility ever constructed. Interstate transport to the facility is a fair cost and risk for the benefits of nuclear power.

All organisms on earth evolved in the presence of the radioactive materials. Immune systems are enhanced by light exposure to such materials. The principle is called "hormesis".

Bart

Posted by: Bart Cannon on June 19, 2008 02:01 PM
28. So BillL

You think growing your way out of the fuel problem is a good idea.


More importantly, the reality of climate change
____________________________________

O-yes we just love the new words instead of warming. The enviros lost that one, so they change the words to sound better. Just like when dem's use the words for highter taxes= investment.

Sureeeeeeee.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on June 19, 2008 02:05 PM
29. I see that womans mouth move and all I hear is "Blah, blah, blah blah" in her snotty, smarmy, talking to kindergarteners voice.

What is it about these liberals that they have such annoying inflections?

OH WAIT... I know!
It's their I know better than the little people and perpetually talk down to us habit.

Is there a liberal politician that acknowledges they are wooing thinking adults?

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on June 19, 2008 02:05 PM
30. BillL

This is another reason most don't buy your warming BS.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

New research compiled by Australian scientist Dr. Tom Chalko shows that global seismic activity on Earth is now five times more energetic than it was just 20 years ago.

The research proves that destructive ability of earthquakes on Earth increases alarmingly fast and that this trend is set to continue, unless the problem of "global warming" is comprehensively and urgently addressed.
...............
Earthquakes because of warming. You G/W nuts have jumped the shark!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on June 19, 2008 02:10 PM
31. and wildlife habitat losses

Yeah, nevermind that the caribou at Prudhoe Bay have thrived since they drilled there. And there is absolutely ZERO evidence that drilling at the tiny piece of land in ANWR would have any detrimental effects there either. Another big liberal lie.

because of national security concerns

National security concerns is a reason FOR drilling for more oil domestically, not less. Alternative energy sources are desirable, but we're nowhere close to them meeting our needs in the next 20 years.

Environmentalists have had nothing to with this

Except when they do. When the environmental lobby gets Democrats to filibuster drilling in ANWR, or stop off shore drilling, or to stop refiniries from being built.

I won't even address your ridiculous climate change arguments, but suffice it to say that we all use oil. Look around your house, it took oil to make alot of things you own and use every day, and chances are it got there on a truck that requires oil too.

Posted by: Palouse on June 19, 2008 02:18 PM
32. Christine is right- Dino and company don't need to dig for rotten potatoes when she has so many like this right on the surface.

That's one part of "we"

The other part of "we" is:

Christine and company will have to start their campaign from rock bottom as they try to divert attention from traffic congestion, lowering education standards, bloating the budget, and taking huge campaign kickbacks from the tribes.

Posted by: Andy on June 19, 2008 02:20 PM
33. BillL,

I think you are simplifying the equation. Yes, China and India are a big part of new demand, but what does with demand is supply. In a normal market without intervention, supply would have ramped up in accordance with demand. But Environmentalists have successfully lobbied the government to add ethanol formulations to our gasoline, limit the number of refineries built to zero, and limit the number of nuclear plants built. Not to mention the whole Ethanol craze.

And environmentalists have successfully closed much of our coast to drilling. For example, the California Coastal Commission. And they lobbied Clinton not to drill in ANWR. So, absent increased supply and coupled with China and India is the total problem. Read up on it, environmentalists are real, and they are thwarting our energy policy as much as possible.

You should also read up on "Global Warming." The main hypotheses on which the warming scare has been based have been debunked. The Hockey Stick curve was based on dendrochronology studies of tree rings and leaves, etc. Not only was the statistical math which generated the exaggerated curve prominently featured in Al Gore's propaganda proven to be flawed, but the underlying hypothesis that tree rings are a function of water has also recently been disproven. And just the other day, it was shown that leaves function well in many different temperatures, which debunks the link between CO2 and temperature further. There are vast number of studies and scientists, even IPCC scientists who are now coming out wholly against climate change hysteria. And we have seven years of empirical evidence to show that the trend is now towards cooling, which correlates very well with a lack of Sun Spots in the current SSC23 to SSC24 transition. The science is not there, and this is the end of the line for Al Gore and the other scaremongers.

Lastly, you are wrong about the US oil reserves. Recently the Bakken formation in South Dakota and surrounding areas was discovered to most likely contain upwards of 400 Billion barrels of oil. And there are many other areas where we have not drilled due to environmental restrictions, etc. It's easily possible that we sit on even more oil, that we just have not discovered yet, but we do sit now on a sizable known patch, even compared to the Middle East finds. Not to mention vast stores of natural gas comparable to the Middle East's oil.

We have the technology and the resources if we want them. What we have been lacking is the will, because of decades of lies told by environmentalists and other leftists causes that enjoy a crisis as a means to further their power.

Unfortunately for the left, the Sun did not get the memo. And with the new media, and such severe lack of policy as to create sudden gas price spikes, we will see a shift in public awareness that pressures our government in to response.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 19, 2008 02:47 PM
34. #28: I submit that the libs having to change the language from "global warming" to "climate change" signals the beginning of the end of the cult of global warming. It may take 2 or 3 decades to be completely rid of the cult, but it will happen.

Posted by: Michele on June 19, 2008 02:57 PM
35. Bill L: You are entitled to your opinions, but don't complain when others point out that they are unfounded. Your ignorance about climate science is unlimited.

Army/Medic/Vet: Spot on!! Tom Chalko is the latest mad scientist to get publicity and MSM coverage. The following quote from "http://nujournal.net/" proves my point:

"Thomas J. Chalko
No second Chance: Can Earth Explode as a result of Global Warming?

Overheating the center of the inner core reactor due to the so­called greenhouse effect on the surface of Earth may cause the meltdown condition, enrichment of nuclear fuel and a gigantic atomic explosion."

Chalko hypothesizes that global warming will cause the world to explode.

Posted by: Paddy on June 19, 2008 03:05 PM
36. Army Medic/Vet and Michele make fun of "liberals" for changing terminology from "global warming" to "climate change". They entirely miss the point (whether by ignorance or deceit, I truly don't know). Scientists have speaking of "climate change" to indicate that the changes are far greater than just warming. This is not the work of "liberals", but rather the vast majority of the scientific community.

Posted by: Bruce on June 19, 2008 03:13 PM
37. Methow Ken @ 25

Maybe not. Natural uranium is 99.3% U-238 and 0.7% U-235, with a miniscule percentage of U-234. The U-235 is used in fission reactors, enriched to several percentage through centrifugal separation.

U-238 itself is totally useless in a fission reactor. However, if the U-238 is exposed to the neutrons generated in fission, then it becomes Plutonium 239, which is very useable in a fission reactor. Basically, a fission reactor generates enough neutrons, so that considerably more U-238 can be converted into Pu-239, than the amount of fissible material that is consumed.

Unfortunately, U-238 (so-called "depleted uranium") is being used for military purposes, since it is the heaviest metal regularly available. U-238 is used for bomb casings, shell casings and other similar uses. U-238 could be made into valuable fission fuel, but instead is being consumed in military applications.

Posted by: Richard Pope on June 19, 2008 03:32 PM
38. Bruce, the left introduced it to all of us as "global warming". That's not our doing. It's THEIRS. If they think they got it wrong initially, then this probably won't be the last time they got it wrong. Back in January '06 Al Gore warned we have only 10 years to save the planet from a scorching. If he said it, it must be true, right?

Posted by: Michele on June 19, 2008 03:38 PM
39. The day the last business in America closes it's doors, Gregoire, Pelosi, and Reid will still be blaming the failure of our country on evil capitalists and corporate CEO's. zDawg #21, I think the term you're looking for is Marxism/Fascism. (Global Warming is a cult of unity)
Fascism: Fascism is a term used to describe authoritarian nationalist political ideologies or mass movements that are concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence and seek to achieve a millenarian national rebirth by exalting the nation or race, and promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.
Marxism:While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share:

a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation[4] of workers by the owners of capital
a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects the dominant ideology which is in turn shaped by material conditions and relations of production
an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations
an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
a belief that this dialectical historical process will ultimately result in a replacement of the current class structure of society with a system that manages society for the good of all, resulting in the dissolution of the class structure and its support (more often than not including the nation state)

Does this not sound like the Leftist Global Warming crowd?

Posted by: scott on June 19, 2008 03:44 PM
40. In this high tech world, most politicians are not academically equipped to understand the ramifications of the decisions they make regarding the environment vs politics vs the economy.

Since Richard Pope understands aspects of fission, this will inspire me to vote for him if he runs again. Even if we disagree about political details.

I will submit a slight difference of opinion about depleted uranium. Not used for shell casings. It's used for ammunition slugs. Its high hardness and extremely high specific gravity make it ideal for use in armor piercing projectiles.

Depleted uranium is about as toxic as lead. Take your choice for ammunition. Flesh. Lead. Armor. Uranium.

Posted by: Bart Cannon on June 19, 2008 04:04 PM
41. "This is not the work of "liberals", but rather the vast majority of the scientific community. "

Really? Can you please name 10 of those scientists for us?

Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 04:08 PM
42. Why is it that those that squeal the loudest about global warming are the biggest energy hogs on the planet? Take Al Gore, he INCREASED his consumption 10% over last year. And last year he already used in a month what a typical family uses in a year.

Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 04:11 PM
43. Bart @ 40

I thought U-238 is used both for armor and for armor-piercing projectiles. U-238 is worse than lead in several ways. Especially because U-238 is highly flammable, burning to release toxic vapors. Lead does not tend to burn too easily.

Posted by: Richard Pope on June 19, 2008 04:19 PM
44. Regarding disposal problems of the beautiful stuff, Yucca Mountain is the most carefully engineered disposal facility ever constructed.

"60 Minutes" did an awesome piece about nuclear power a little over a year ago that addressed this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/06/60minutes/main2655782.shtml

Posted by: Mike H on June 19, 2008 04:33 PM
45. yes, #24, Gregoire's pals over at the WA Education Association spend thousands in recent ads trying to "dirty up" Dino and SHE'S upset????

Posted by: Michele on June 19, 2008 04:39 PM
46. I someone supports Gregoire, these ads will not budge their support. If someone doesn't support her these ads will also have no effect.

After four years I find it hard to believe that some folks might be undecided, but there are some out there. For these folks, maybe the ads will work.

Having heard some to them, I have to say they are well done. To call them unfair though is a pretty lame response.

Posted by: deadwood on June 19, 2008 05:44 PM
47. nationalize the oil industry (!?) - the Dummiecrats can't even run their Washington DC food services.

And it's very risky relying on the volatile Mid East to supply a large percentage of our oil.

Posted by: ajday on June 19, 2008 06:21 PM
48. BillL
Perhaps you should read up on "Global Warming� as well" http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/07aug_southpole.htm
The Ice caps on Mars are receding which demonstrates we are not the only planet experiencing changes in temperature. Also since the global rise in CO2 preceded the rises in temperature it does not fit the historic model of CO2 rising after a rise in global temperature. So declaring a Cause / effect relationship is rather dubious at best. The environmentalist don't have a clue what will happen (Global Warming / Global Cooling) so they have changed from saying "global Warming" to climate change. Hey one thing is for sure the Earth goes through warming and cooling cycles so by saying �Climate change� you could never be wrong. After the fall of the Berlin wall, the communists and socialists in the western world have flocked to the environmental movement to push their anti-corperate, anti-business, anti-democratic agenda by scaring the public with exaggerated claims about the effects of �climate Change� and justifying those claims with convenient science, pushing dubious science and attacking any science that is inconvenient.
Check out the �The Skeptical Environmentalist� Bj�rn Lomborg
Oh, and your hero Al Gore was awful in science in school. Listening to AL talk about science is like listening to a music student talk about rocket science.

Posted by: akosted on June 19, 2008 06:48 PM
49. The ads are effective and caught my attention. Of course, I don't support her - they could sway someone who is undecided and that is the purpose of ads like that. Nothing wrong with that if the ads are truthful. Has anyone pointed fallacies in them ? Not that I have heard - just a lot of whining from the other side.

The left has their panties in a wad because they didn't think of them first - isn't that always the case ?

Posted by: KS on June 19, 2008 07:01 PM
50. I would stand back in complete admiration of Dino if he mentioned these ads and said "hey, facts are facts".

Posted by: PC on June 19, 2008 07:18 PM
51. Lets Face It.....As Energy prices continue to rise, the D's political position will continue to deteriorate. In this next election cycle the D's will severely lose on all fronts. Look for Big GOP Wins across the Nation.

Posted by: Daniel on June 19, 2008 07:22 PM
52. King 5 News tonite made Dino look like a jerk. ANYthing gained by thos ads were lost 2x over by this report. I't ain't lookin good for Mr Rossi folks when his attack vehicle reflects back on him.

Posted by: ByebyeDino on June 19, 2008 07:44 PM
53. I agree with Jeff B @ #33; EXCEPT where he said:

''Recently the Bakken formation in South Dakota and surrounding areas was ...''

At least so far, the Bakken formation is I believe primarily centered in NORTH Dakota. That happens to be important to me, since I still own 80 acres of the old family homestead back in ND... even though most of the excitement about the Bakken formation is (sadly) a bit further west than our place; otherwise we might be in the short line for a good oil well.


NOW: Richard Pope @ #37 in reply to me @ #25:

First please note that I was talking about FAST NEUTRON reactors, which because of the much more energetic neutrons are significantly more efficient at converting FERTILE U-238 into fissile material.
For more technical info than most people want see:
www.inl.gov
www.nei.org
www.nuclear.gov
www.gnep.energy.gov
www.cleansafeenergy.org

WRT ''using up'' the supply of U-238 for conventional munitions, Bart @ #40 pretty much answered it correctly. IIRC the biggest use is for the core ''rod'' in ultra-high-velocity, non-explosive armor-piercing SABOT rounds in tanks.

Confess I don't know the total volume of U-238 used for munitions, but I believe it's very small if not miniscule; compared to proven reserves. And I believe zero U-238 munitions material comes from any of the spent fuel in cooling ponds at all the operating commercial reactors: That requires complex and expensive reprocessing technology and dealing with those nasty actinides; it's much cheaper and easier just to start with clean or at least ''cleaner'' U-238.

Posted by: Methow Ken on June 19, 2008 07:48 PM
54. Tell you what Gregoire, when you get back the 140 million you gave up from the Indian casino's to get your 1 million back in re-election contributions to your party, then I'll call Rossi and recommend he pull his add.

Oh and by the way, far more important than money, you have let dangerous criminals run free in this state, to fund your socialism.

I'm Voting and supporting Dino!

Enough of yout tax happy F'n idiots!

Posted by: gs on June 19, 2008 08:12 PM
55. I just remembered something. Didn't Atty. General Gregoire lose out on a massive tobacco industry award because her office muffed up the paperwork? Funny how some things never change. Taxpayers take it in the shorts every time. What's she cost the citizens of WA so far? Anyone have a total? Probably enough to buy a good chunk of viaduct or a new Sonics Arena.

Posted by: scott on June 19, 2008 09:59 PM
56. Ken @53:

The Bakken Formation occurs throughout the Williston Basin, which was an inland sea analogous to the Caspian Sea that existed during Cretaceous.

The Bakken is quite extensive, but fairly thin (30 feet or so). It is known to exist in Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Sakatchewan, and Alberta.

The total amount of oil is estimate by the USGS to be 400 Billion Barrels (yes, that's 4 followed by two zero's and a B). Approximately 20 Billion of those is exploitable with current technology. About 4 billion of the 20 billion is under North Dakota.

Its pretty big and like the 800 Billion barrels of estimated oil in shales in Utah and Colorado would likely make the US self-sufficient for a couple of centuries.

The main reason we aren't developing it is that Mideast oil was a lot cheaper to get at $20 to $40 a barrel. The Bakken and Oil shales are profitable so long as oil stays above $40 a barrel.

It's time to go at it.

I like Newt's mantra!

Drill Here! Drill Now!

Posted by: deadwood on June 19, 2008 10:08 PM
57. Richard,

Your statement about us "wasting" valuable depleted uranium on weapons is ridiculous on the face of it. There is no shortage of fissionable material to run our power plants. The problem is a shortage of nuclear power plants. The moonbats won't let us build nuclear reactors because they all saw the China Syndrome (nearly as scientifically incorrect as Al Gore's "documentary" on global warming) to many times.

Posted by: Calvin A on June 20, 2008 07:24 AM
58. "I thought U-238 is used both for armor and for armor-piercing projectiles. U-238 is worse than lead in several ways. Especially because U-238 is highly flammable, burning to release toxic vapors. Lead does not tend to burn too easily."

However it is better than lead because it is two times as dense, giving a projectile more kinetic energy. The flammability is, apparently, one of the advantages. When it hits it can, under the right circumstances, create burning fragments.

This is all an advantage. The purpose of a military at war is to kill the enemy with the minimum number of casualties to one's own side. This increases enemy deaths at little to no risk to our soldiers since U-238 poses little risk to humans unless it is ingested.

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