Note the sign below that David Postman has reported on and regarding which Goldy is now whining:
Clearly some zealous Dino Rossi supporters have elevated the typical election sign to offer an enhanced message. While one can understand the sentiment, this sort of freelancing isn't productive.
Folks on the west side of the Cascades, even many Republicans, sometimes fail to grasp the annoyance and resentment those east of the mountains have with politics and policy in our state that at times seem dominated by King County liberals. This frustration runs deeper than many west-siders care to acknowledge or admit.
Thus, one can understand that GOP activists in Eastern Washington (and elsewhere!) are especially motivated after the King County shenanigans and missteps of 2004. That's understandable and it would be tough to argue with such activists incorporating such a message in email campaigns, stump speeches, and related local electioneering. The professional-looking signs, however, inevitably receive attention on the other side of the state where huge chunks of the population don't grasp the root of the resentment.
Most importantly perhaps, such efforts do not reflect the differentiation that Postman himself noted: Rossi is explicitly running with a focus on 2008, not 2004, as this testimony from the state GOP convention affirms. Thus, the sign ends up conveying a message Rossi seems clearly trying to avoid.
Passion is good. But in this instance it isn't well-directed. Stick with the standard issue campaign signs instead.
Posted by Eric Earling at June 18, 2008 10:12 PM | Email ThisIf you want to grant me that much power then be my guest. Common sense dictates otherwise. I don't speak for the state party or the Rossi campaign. As a fellow self-respecting blogger you should know that.
Posted by: Eric Earling on June 18, 2008 10:41 PMWhen it comes down to it, this election will be between Seattle (which is grossly out of touch with the rest of the state) and the other 38 counties. It seems to me like a great rally cry is exactly what we need to remind people of what's really at stake here.
Posted by: Michael on June 18, 2008 11:18 PMWhen I used to dabble in politics, I loved grabbing democrat material at fairs and finding the ones that didn't have paid-for-bys (which were a lot!). I would call the chair of the organization that printed them and say (more or less) "Hi, I'm just a regular citizen and I noticed your literature doesn't have paid-for-by disclaimers and that's a violation of campaign finance law so I'm going to file a complaint with the PDC." The PDC never cared, but the democrats would always get really flustered and agitated. And the more time they spend responding to complaints, the less time they spend ruining the world. :)
Posted by: AD on June 18, 2008 11:30 PMWho said Daniel K is self-respecting? I wouldn't be if I were him.
Anyhow, I'm not 100% sure it's not productive. It's not productive for Rossi himself to be involved in such talk, true, but I think it could actually be very beneficial for surrogates to say such things. There is a lot of resentment not only among Republicans, but Independents as well over 2004.
Posted by: Cliff on June 19, 2008 02:12 AMThanks Mr. Logan. (-:
PS. I love the sticker.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on June 19, 2008 06:26 AMWell, at least with the slim majority who rightfully feel robbed.
Posted by: deadwood on June 19, 2008 06:26 AMWith all due respect, King County Elections didn't blow it in '04. They accomplished exactly what they set out to do, steal an election. They've done it before and they'll try to do it again. It is rapidly becoming socialist Seattle versus the rest of the state.
Big money Seattle accepts high taxes and demands a cradle-to-grave existence (and a few crumbs for the poor) in return. The rest of the state wants responsive government, lower taxes, improved schools, better business climate and a balanced transportation package.
Out with the Queen and her legislature court!
Posted by: Saltherring on June 19, 2008 06:39 AMWill there by whining if a banner comes out saying "THE QUEEN RAISED TAXES"? Or "She did after she said she wouldn't"
Posted by: Ken Howard on June 19, 2008 07:33 AM
No dancing in the wind floating trial balloons or marketing advisors on what word is good or not, it is straight visceral and to the point. It is what many Rs or Rs in spirit have been wanting from a weak party for years.
You aren't going to be able to Dan Evans 'em anymore because they will stab you in the back.
So, show some backbone!
Posted by: swatter on June 19, 2008 07:43 AMWe want you to run on resentment and divisiveness. Governor Gregoire will run on "One Washington" and will roll up Patty Murray/Maria Cantwell/Scoop Jackson numbers on you sorry lot of losers.
The ad sounds like a fun ad, so why does the great one feel so belligerent? Must be effective.
Posted by: swatter on June 19, 2008 09:27 AMAnd yes, I DO grant you that much power, Eric. Common sense tells us all this:
Eric's "self-respecting blogger" bit is a scam - a conflict of interest of the highest degree. Just check out his day job:
Eric Earling, DSRR
eric.earling@ed.gov
U.S. Department of Education
An appointed GOP DOE Bureau-rat.
I've seen grass-roots bloggers. But Eric is pure astro-turf.
Posted by: mercifurious on June 19, 2008 09:40 AMSee, when all you've got is "Government is EEEEEEEVIL" and anybody who doesn't agree with your world view is SOCIALIST -- BOOGA BOOGA! and any law is "confiscatory," you begin to approach the "draining our precious bodily fluids" level, and you shouldn't be surprised when everybody tunes you out.
Even in Chimacum people will buy "One Washington" before they'll buy EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL Seattle.
Swatter @ 20:
See me in November. I'll be planning for Gregoire's third term. Hope you'll be having fun.
Posted by: ivan on June 19, 2008 09:43 AMAs the moonbats continue to oppose drilling for our own oil and in Seattle try to ban beach fires they may have become too full of themselves. Most people are not nearly as far to the left as cocky big city liberals think they are.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on June 19, 2008 09:52 AMAs noted above, the line in the sand keeps getting moved back and back.
FYI ivan, if the Ds take over big time as the polls now suggest (i.e. 46% of the electorate identify as Ds and 33% as Rs), I will be set. I am entering retirement years and am constantly asked why I haven't already. As the Ds destroy the legacy for the young 'uns, they will prop up us old farts like freed medicine, high social security wages, retirement perks, etc. However, I am still fighting for what I believe in and freebies are not part of it. I believe in our youth and I believe the rotten ME generation (of which I am a part) should not saddle our young people with a burden they can't survive.
I believe in the United States of American and I believe other countries standard-of-living should be raised to our level and not our standard-of-living reduced.
There you go- I am more R than D.
Posted by: swatter on June 19, 2008 10:12 AMC'mon, Dan, like you have to ask...
Posted by: thehim on June 19, 2008 10:48 AMSeattle and King County export more tax revenue to the rest of the State than they receive in return. We provide the vast majority of the economics that drive this State.
Oh, and the election? I hope you guys keep running on that message. You'll lose by an even larger margin than is already projected. Here's what you still don't get about the 2004 election; nobody stole anything.
And, btw? King County had less vote adjustment than did 7 other counties in this State, all 7 of which went for Dino Rossi. But, because you were so focused on King County, you failed to ask "do these errors happen in other Counties?" And the answer, now and always, is "yes" and often to a degree larger than happened in King County. But, since you're myopic and short-sighted, all you cared to do was to justify your own hatred of all things progressive, all things "other" than you and your narrow view of the world.
I sincerely wish the R's of Washington had something of substance to offer. I agree that competition breeds improvement. But, as it stands, you guys aren't even in the game.
So, who's out of touch?
Posted by: Timothy Killian on June 19, 2008 11:16 AMIf you argue with liberals you'll likely get this phrase thrown at you. Usually just before they start with the obscenities.
Memo to liberals; most Americans don't like snotty condescension.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on June 19, 2008 12:25 PMPosted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 12:40 PM
Sorry, that is simply wrong. According to the Washington State Department of Agriculture agriculture is the largest employer in the state. And by far the largest areas fro agricultural activity are outside of Seattle and King County. Furthermore, most of the resources that Seattle and King Country rely upon for their subsistence comes from outside Seattle and King County.
"King County had less vote adjustment than did 7 other counties in this State, all 7 of which went for Dino Rossi. But, because you were so focused on King County, you failed to ask "do these errors happen in other Counties?" And the answer, now and always, is "yes" and often to a degree larger than happened in King County. But, since you're myopic and short-sighted, all you cared to do was to justify your own hatred of all things progressive, all things "other" than you and your narrow view of the world."
Again wrong. There were more "last minute" and "found" ballots by far in King County.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 12:40 PMThat sign goes on my car tomorrow, right in the middle of the faculty parking lot. My lefty nazi colleagues will have a collective stroke.
Fuck them.
Posted by: Rey Smith on June 19, 2008 12:42 PMOh...and yes, King County was 7th in vote adjustment in 2004. It doesn't surprise me that you don't know that and that you won't believe it, because that would undermine your status as a victim of the big bad liberals.
Get in the game, and stop whining about it.
Posted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 12:45 PMFor the year 2006, the fuel mix for Seattle City Light was approximately 89.8% hydroelectric, 4.6% nuclear, 3.5% wind, 1.1% natural gas, 0.9% coal, and 0.1% other sources. [1] The utility owns and operates the Skagit River Hydroelectric Project, a series of three hydroelectric dams on the Skagit River in northern Washington State. The project supplies approximately 25 percent of Seattle’s electric power. The utility also owns and operates the Boundary Hydroelectric Project on the Pend Oreille River which can provide up to approximately 50% of Seattle's electric power. [2] The remaining power comes from a mix of sources, including long-term contracts with the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA). [3]
So enough of this crap about how the entire state ought to be grateful to the whining yuppies of Seattle. Without the rest of the state growing your food, mining your minerals, producing your electricity, you'd look like some 7th century village in the Middle East.
I am talking absolute numbers. The percentage is irrelevant. King county was the number one absolute number of crooked votes. And surprise surprise, they were the last to report. Is this a coincidence? They knew exactly how many votes they would need to manufacture in order to steal the election.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 01:05 PM...but I hear those slurs on a very regular basis coming in from the other direction. So, I think you're mixing your argument up a bit.
That said, again, outlining where our energy comes from misses the point by a wide margin. The economic drivers of this state are People and the industries in which they work, and the dominant economics of Washington State, by far, so far that you look ridiculous trying to argue the point, comes from King County.
Posted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 01:09 PMBut, 6 other counties had larger percentage adjustments, and those 6 counties were all firmly in Rossi's camp, and all increased votes in Rossi's favor. What? You didn't learn that on Sound Politics? Perhaps it's because Sound Politics and its contributors cared more about crying and trying to game the system than they did about honest elections...the whole "repeat a lie" long enough mantra certainly holds true on this blog.
But, I've long given up the hope that Sound Politics is a reasonable discussion forum. Let's just leave it at the mythology that the so-called pansy liberals kicked your ass in 2004.
Again, who's out of touch? Keep playing the "we were cheated" song and 2008 will be even better for Washington State.
Posted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 01:16 PMHey I can do this all day. You got anything going for the next 60 days straight?
"That said, again, outlining where our energy comes from misses the point by a wide margin. The economic drivers of this state are People and the industries in which they work, and the dominant economics of Washington State, by far, so far that you look ridiculous trying to argue the point, comes from King County."
Show me some evidence, or is that asking too much of our esteemed liberal colleagues?
Just seeing you type it isn't proof of anything.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 01:24 PMHow dare you. Sound Politics was ground zero for sniffing out Democrat election fraud. We had a Chinese citizen vote, dead people voted and criminal voted...all in KING COUNTY. The absolute numbers are crucial because the election was so close. So trying to talk it was by percentages is pure BS. Lumping in "adjustments" of other counties with the criminal tactic that KCE used "finding" boxes upon boxes of ballots weeks after the polls closed is simply an attempt to muddy the waters. Isn't it convenient that they just happened to swing the election Gregoires way by the EXACT number of "found" ballots.
No I will admit I buy a lottery ticket now and again, but with that kind of fix in, there was no way the outcome was in doubt for liberals.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 01:32 PMAnd, by all means, I hope you do continue. It's a winning message that you keep spinning. At least, it's a winning message for the Democrats. ;-)
Posted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 01:33 PMWe've not taught ourselves what government consists of. We've not taught the American Constitution and we've not taught the principles of international socialism. We are uneducated.
Therefore, we make our decisions on emotions.
Now we are being introduced to sharia law right here in our country, and we have no idea why to refuse it. ignorance.
Posted by: ljm on June 19, 2008 01:34 PM
Obviously it isn't a winning message for Democrats or you wouldn't be here trying to talk it away constantly. When the crooks stole the election in Ukraine in 2004, they revolted. Wanna see if you election thieves can get the same reaction this time around?
I don't mind losing a fair game. When you liberals cheat, you destroy the people's faith in the system.
If you truly thought I was just some crank and there was no evidence to prove the 2004 election was stolen, you'd just laugh it off. But you aren't because you know it is true. Stefan has documented it and not even Obama's "truth squads" can silence it.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 01:40 PMAnyway, this is all old news, and irrelevant, and yes, I do laugh it off. Every now and again I wander into Sound Politics to see if you've moved onto some meaningful discussion, in the hopes that the Republicans of Washington State can contribute to the continued growth and prosperity of my chosen community, but alas, all I continue to find here is this mindless, inept, and disingenuous discussion about the 2004 election.
As I continue to say, you're not even in the game anymore. The only reason your running Rossi again for Governor is because you have NOBODY Else who could credibly make a run for Governor.
Posted by: Timothy on June 19, 2008 01:46 PMThen by all means, do an analysis. Post your raw data, your conclusions and your methodology.
When the recount occured, Democrats went door too door knocking and asking if the voters in question voted fro Gregoire. If they said no, they walked away, not informing the voter that their ballot was in dispute. But if they were a Gregoire voter, they were ushered down to city hall. So I don't want to hear a WORD about cherry picking and such.
"all I continue to find here is this mindless, inept, and disingenuous discussion about the 2004 election."
I agree we do tend to get mindless liberals such as yourself here trying to rewrite history. And what kind of Mr Hayneee (Green Acres reference, extra e's on purpose) HOGWASH are you trying to sell us that somehow you , a LIBERAL, really cares dearly about Democrats having competition in the election blah blah blah. Talk about spin!
"As I continue to say, you're not even in the game anymore. The only reason your running Rossi again for Governor is because you have NOBODY Else who could credibly make a run for Governor."
If that were truly the case, you wouldn't even be here posting, you'd be out in the streets dancing the jihadi jig. You actions belie your words.
You will continue coming back and back and back because you know the entire state witnessed election fraud in 2004. You know they are paying attention and your side is scared, like a thief coming back to the same bank to knock it over again except this time more people are ready to react.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 01:58 PMState government increase 33%, 2.4 billion deficit, 9th worst traffic congestion in the state, no action after 7 YEARS on the viaduct while raising BILLIONS on the gas tax.
THAT is what you call "growth and prosperity"? Any more "prosperity" like we've sen from the selected governor and we'll qualify fro UN aid as a third world country!
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 02:02 PMSee last part of online RCW 42.17.510:
Identification of sponsor Exemptions:
''(6) Political yard signs are exempt from the requirement of subsections (1) and (2) of this section ........''
''(7) For the purposes of this section, "yard sign" means any outdoor sign with dimensions no greater than eight feet by four feet.''
I can confirm that the signs in question are no greater than 8x4 feet. So much for Goldy & Co whining about no sponsor ID.
Posted by: Methow Ken on June 19, 2008 02:04 PMI wonder how long and well that will play for chrissy.
I personally hope they continue shouting how much they look down their noses at the rest of us.
The bottom line is that the resentment against the Seattle-based Democratic power monopoly that plays footsy with Boeing, Microsoft, big labor, and tribal casinos while screwing over small business with overregulation and taxation is real and not just limited to mouth-breathing wingnuts. Just ask Eastern Washington's most prominent businessman and political moderate Ed Schweitzer how he feels about Gregoire. For us in Pullman, this election isn't just about politics, it's about survival.
Posted by: Tom Forbes on June 19, 2008 03:41 PMWA GOP-ers are simply third class citizens these days, guilty by association, and a turnip with the "D" behind its name stands a better chance of getting elected than any Republican in Washington state.
The GOP here will need at least a decade to recover any semblance of legitimacy. Youve got a hard road ahead.
Posted by: Politically Incorrect on June 19, 2008 07:25 PMHas anyone in this thread made a single perjorative comment about Eastern Washington? Compared to you righties, we Seattle liberals appear calmly magnanimous. Thanks!
That sign just begs for a good Photoshop job. How about replacing the tag line with, "4 out of 5 felons vote Rossi!"
Posted by: tensor on June 19, 2008 08:01 PMHey that is how all lie-ber-alls "manufacture" their "news" isn't it? Just like one of your Goebbelsesque propaganda machines, Al Reuters.
Posted by: pbj on June 19, 2008 10:17 PMWanna see the modern Goebbels, pal? Look in the mirror...
Posted by: tensor on June 19, 2008 11:21 PMPROVE it. Asking a felon whom they voted for isn't proof Heir Tensor.
Posted by: pbj on June 20, 2008 11:48 AMI have proof, vetted by the SUPREME court that PRESIDENT Bush WON the 2000 election.
I also have proof, vetted by a court, that the Democrat activist group ACORN, fraudulently registered voters in the Seattle area.
Posted by: pbj on June 20, 2008 11:53 AMThat poster does show a bit more vengence than is healthy for this election. In spite of the ineptness of the Republicans involved in the infamous Wenatchee trial in 2005 and an unprincipled US Attorney who refused to investigate, there was enough evidence to show corruption in the result. That is behind us and the 2008 is about the mediocre performance of the sitting Governor who broke virtually all of her promises and whose minuses heavily outweighed her plusses (one the few of which was veto the Tunnel replacement for the Alaskan Way Viaduct).
Posted by: KS on June 20, 2008 08:49 PMA.) You're just sore about the demographic changes in Dunn's former "safe seat". boo-hoo-wah. Funny how Repugs favor gerrymandering only when it suits them. Too bad there's a pesky Olympia blue majority standing in your way.
B.) If you really want to drop the cojones, get E-WA to finally break away from W-WA (fuse with E-ORE) and form the ever-elusive (welfare)state of "Columbia".
Imagine: the giant tax revenue flowing from Ellensturd, Crackima, and the Dry Shitties.
Your dream can be our dream too!
Posted by: mercifurious on June 23, 2008 09:31 AM