June 16, 2008
What is This History of Which You Speak?

Following-up to our discussion over the weekend on liberals relying on incorrect history to make the case for their preferred policy outcomes, check out this from Barack Obama:

Obama, a former senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, cited "that principle of habeas corpus, that a state can't just hold you for any reason without charging you and without giving you any kind of due process -- that's the essence of who we are. I mean, you remember during the Nuremberg trials, part of what made us different was even after these Nazis had performed atrocities that no one had ever seen before, we still gave them a day in court and that taught the entire world about who we are but also the basic principles of rule of law. Now the Supreme Court upheld that principle yesterday." (Though Obama was clearly referring to the principle of giving criminals a day in court, it's worth pointing out the distinction here, that the Nuremberg trials did not give Nazi war criminals access to U.S. courts, but to a special international military tribunal created by the U.S., USSR, France and the U.K. Though Nuremberg currently is considered a model for international law, it's not as if Rudolph Hess had access to challenge his detention in U.S. federal court.)

It is an appalling, nay, disgusting, characterization to compare granting habeas corpus to unlawful enemy combatants with the military tribunals at Nuremberg. Indeed, one gets the distinct sense that today's liberals would howl mightily at the extraordinary proceedings that were used to convict prominent Nazis of assorted, heinous crimes. Those trials weren't exactly a case study in the application of Constitutional rights as provided to U.S. citizens within our borders (though they were fairer than the defendants deserved).

Further evidence our political figures need to spend more time studying history than dreaming of how to make it.

Posted by Eric Earling at June 16, 2008 11:11 PM | Email This
Comments
1. That's right, Eric. If the Numermberg trials were today, the liberals here would demand freedom for the accused. Not because of their guilt or innocence, but merely because they are the enemy of the United States.

Posted by: Gary on June 17, 2008 06:51 AM
2. Was the subject he was lecturing on the concept that there are "two-Americas?" This guy as a total disgrace, he couldn't even get a majority of Democrats to vote for him and he is supposed to do what?

School Choice Is Change You Can Believe In
June 17, 2008; Page A21
Barack and Michelle Obama send their children to an
upscale private school. When asked about it during
last year's YouTube debate, Sen. Obama responded that
it was "the best option" for his children.

Several hundred low-income parents in our nation's
capital have also sent their children to private and
parochial schools, with the help of a federal program
that provides Opportunity Scholarships. Like Mr. and
Mrs. Obama, most of these parents are
African-American. And like Mr. and Mrs. Obama, they
too believe the schools they've chosen represent the
"best option" for their children.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121366218446979283.html?mod=todays_columnists

Posted by: JDH on June 17, 2008 07:34 AM
3. My thoughts:

It appears Obama learned law about as well as Darcy Burner, and history even worse.

I thought the left had reserved Nuremberg trials for Global Warming deniers?

As usual with the left, up is down and down is up.


Posted by: Jeff B. on June 17, 2008 07:38 AM
4. Oh, the irony. Considering that Bush wanted military tribunals for these people all along.

Posted by: Palouse on June 17, 2008 07:42 AM
5. It goes to show you that the Democrat/socialists/indepentants will say and do anything to gain power. Yes I include independents here because you guy's don't have a principle to stand on. You wait for a majority to form, then you join it wether or not it is good for this country, Get a backbone!!

The Democrats/socialists/independents are relying on the American people to be to lazy or to busy to check the facts. I'm convinced that some people in this area are so programmed by the left that they don't care if their freedoms are taken from them. They think that the Dems will give them more freedom by lying about history and facts while at the same time their income is being confiscated by evermore taxes and fees and regulations (especially Global Warming regulations).

Posted by: TruePatriot on June 17, 2008 08:06 AM
6. One comment I heard was that the Boumediene case actually grants enemies of our nation _more_ rights than some of our citizens have. Members of the US military working overseas do _not_ normally have access to the US Federal courts. They're under the jurisdiction of the same military judicial system that has been ruled too oppressive to use on the enemy.

Posted by: Al on June 17, 2008 08:12 AM
7. Military commanders are trained to survive above all else while eliminating the enemy. When the enemy and our leftist civilian leaders have the same goals, what's next? I wonder at what point does the military in this country decide "these civilian liberals in charge of everything are suicidal" and start taking over. I'm not saying I want that to happen. However, the actions of our leaders are certainly not always in the best interest of our general population and do increase the risk of our distruction through inaction and/or outright support of people who have vowed to kill us with nuclear weapons.
Why would we want to let them go free or have access to the same judicial system that let OJ Simpson walk out a free man?

Posted by: Scott on June 17, 2008 10:02 AM
8. truepatriot, i take offense at you lumping independents in with liberals and socialists. independent just means you don't always vote for reps or dems but that you have your own set of values and base your vote on those. and with the current state of the gop their are several indepndents who are farther right than the gop.

Posted by: wfp on June 17, 2008 06:06 PM
9. Eric, the analogy is indeed appalling! disgusting! But I'm afraid you've got it backwards. The Nuremberg prisoners were given much quicker and fairer justice than those at Guantanamo.

Posted by: Bruce on June 17, 2008 07:36 PM
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