May 21, 2008
Re: Chugging Along

An earlier post on Dino Rossi's donors purposefully didn't include much commentary, in part out of interest in seeing how readers digests the information.

To put the numbers in perspective, both Rossi and Christine Gregoire are well on their way to smashing their record setting totals from 2004 for an Evergreen State Governor's contest ($6.25 million and $6.36 million respectively). Gregoire in particular will have enough to spend this time around, whatever the final totals.

The trick for Dino, as Renee Radcliff Sinclair alluded to in the previous thread, is that many of the same corporate and PAC interests that split their money or went in his direction in that year will either donate to Gregoire this time or sit out thanks to her incumbent status.

The rough math on Rossi's contributions thus speaks for itself. He has raised approximately $4.376 million in cash from about 30,000 donors as of the end of April. In that month, he pulled in nearly $630,000 in cash contributions from over 4,000 donors. That's an average contribution consistently in the ballpark of $150, i.e. grassroots support.

Or as Joel Connelly puts it in today's paper:

The Outlook for 2008: With Rossi running again, polls are all over the place: Some put Gov. Chris Gregoire up by 10 points. Others show a statistical dead heat.

Rossi just welcomed his 33,000th donor, proof of a broad base of support. Gregoire has an activist record, but Rossi can point to a still cumbersome state government. He can, too, bring up the failure of King County's Democratic rulers to deal with transportation gridlock -- and their tendency to nanny-state excess.


Posted by Eric Earling at May 21, 2008 07:28 AM | Email This
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1. # of donations do not always equate to # of votes. Since rossi still has not come out in support of a cut back to pre gregoire budget levels or proposed cutting ANY government agencies, I see him as part of the problem, not a solution.

Posted by: Lysander on May 21, 2008 07:29 AM
2. Compared to the proven problem of Gregoire, I will gladly vote for Rossi. He may not have proposed cutting of government agencies yet, but the campaign is still early and he might (or might not). With Gregoire we have already seen she wont cut government agencies only grow them.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on May 21, 2008 07:34 AM
3. $Dollars won't matter that much overall this time around. The key to this election can be summed up with one word 'comfortability'.
Are the majority of voters in this State 'comfortable' with our current Governor? The answer is 'not totally' but; we just don't see anything better in Sir Dino and lacking a demonstrable view of 'improvement' we (the voters) will feel 'comfortable' and 'safe' maintaining a Democrat incumbent. Sorry for the bad news folks, but it's as simple as that. Now, feel free to analyze what you feel are the 'keys' - to your heart's content...to no avail, except possibly as a method of consoling yourselves by irrelevent details. :)

Posted by: Duffman on May 21, 2008 07:37 AM
4. And in addition to that. Gregoire knows that we will have a multibillion dollar deficit in the next few budget cycles. Her growth of 33% can not continue. Maybe her arguement will be we need an income tax. Need more money to cover her spending habits.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on May 21, 2008 07:39 AM
5. I am glad that Duffman is "comfortable" with the deficit that Gregoire and company have produced.

David, I beleive it has been posted here before that Gregoire does favor an income tax and had started to talk about it last year, but like many things it is on the back burner till after teh election.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on May 21, 2008 07:43 AM
6. In 04 Gregoire ran as the third term of a very popular Governor in a Democrat leaning state. She barley eked out a win with a lot of help from her friends. This time she will be running on a second Gregoire term! Enough said. Unless the Democrats can tie Rossi to a Bush "third term" he will be the next Governor!

Posted by: ROCKETMAN on May 21, 2008 08:05 AM
7. Duffman, that sounds like a great slogan for the Gov.: Comfortability we can believe in!

Posted by: Paul G on May 21, 2008 09:05 AM
8. Duffman, that sounds like a great slogan for the Gov.: Comfortability we can believe in!

Posted by: Paul G on May 21, 2008 09:06 AM
9. Queenie will get all the money she needs from the tribes. That was the deal when she bent this state over in the gambling compact, and she will want a return on selling us out for her re-election.

The tribes make billions in this state and don't give a dime for the privilege.

Posted by: Hinton on May 21, 2008 10:34 AM
10. Privatize Metro, Sound Transit, Narrows Bridge and SR-520 toll road management.

Now thems R sum talkin' points!!!

Posted by: John425 on May 21, 2008 10:59 AM
11. Go, Dino!

Posted by: Michele on May 21, 2008 11:10 AM
12. Yes! Go Dino indeed. Go back to your real (real-estate) job and your family and pull out of this process; you had your chance and almost made it, but alas it's over (politically speaking) for you. I've given you my best advice and I don't want you blaming me when you get embarrassed this time around.

Posted by: Duffman on May 21, 2008 11:51 AM
13. Still waiting to see how Dino's going to pay for his pandering road projects that are designed to enrich our terrorist enemies.

Posted by: Cato on May 21, 2008 02:23 PM
14. Gregoire has pushed the limits with her 'break the bank' budget, her endless dallying on 520 & Viaduct, etc., embarrassments like 'Say WA,' etc.

She appears to be betting that the takings coalition will invest enough campaign money to cover a multitude of sins. It is a formula that has worked in the past.

Posted by: russell garrard on May 21, 2008 02:44 PM
15. SEVEN YEAR that viaduct has stood there while Democrats did NOTHING except a $2.4 billion deficit to show for it! They don't even have a plan today. Time for Change.

Posted by: pbj on May 21, 2008 02:56 PM
16. She now has a Washington state sales tax going on all Internet sales starting in July, which will kill internet sales in this state.

She never stops picking your pockets.

She's gotta go

Out with the thief

Posted by: gs on May 21, 2008 05:19 PM
17. The local media, which takes its marching orders from the George Soros leftwing controlled mainstream media would never credit Rossi for being a leg up in his campaign over Gregoire.

However, there are some glimpses of the truth coming out from Joel Connelly, liberal columnist who exposes Gregoire for having zero leadership and bringing on the large budget deficit, but also puts the owness on Rossi to be more specific in how he proposes to resolve these issues. No doubt that the government would be more efficient with the new Governor, but people here are so archaic and can't stand to think outside the box - many of them happen to be registered Democrats. Get a clue, vote for change - you can do it with Obama whose change is risky, so try being consistent and do it in this state - game on !!

Posted by: KS on May 21, 2008 10:09 PM
18. It will be very interesting to see how the local press covers the new internet tax scheme when it goes into effect in July. I wonder if they will try to bury it in the Sat (June 28) edition.

There was a story in the PI about it recently, and the comments from readers on the PI web site were overwhelmingly negative. Several said that they planned to close their on-line businesses. These were PI readers....

Posted by: russell garrard on May 22, 2008 07:45 AM
19. These Gregoire Zealots have never met a tax they didn't love, and never run a business in their lives.

Just a wild band of thieves.

Posted by: gs on May 22, 2008 09:01 PM
20. Just a little fun reading showing how far off base Gregoire will find herself on this Internet tax scheme that she is a part of. Take a read on the following case:

Important Tax Cases: Quill Corp. v. North Dakota and the Physical Presence Rule for Sales Tax Collection

by Chris Atkins (he wrote this article)

In the Complete Auto Transit case, the Supreme Court articulated a four-part test to determine if a state tax scheme unduly burdens interstate commerce. The first prong of the Complete Auto test requires a taxpayer to have nexus (i.e. a connection) with a state before it can impose its tax jurisdiction. In Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, the Supreme Court explained that a business had to be physically present in a state before that state could require the business to collect use tax on its behalf.

The facts in Quill Corp. are as follows: North Dakota sent a notice to Quill Corp. that it owed use tax (a companion tax to the sales tax) payments for purchases that North Dakota residents had made through Quill Corp.'s catalogue. Quill responded that it did not have nexus in North Dakota because it had no physical operations or employees and hence did not have to collect North Dakota use tax on sales made to North Dakota customers.

The Supreme Court sided with Quill, ruling that a taxpayer must have a physical presence in a state in order to require collection of sales or use tax for purchases made by in-state customers. Physical presence means offices, branches, warehouses, employees, etc. The existence of customers alone (i.e. economic presence) did not create sufficient nexus under the Commerce Clause for North Dakota to impose a sales tax collection burden on Quill Corp..

The Supreme Court's reasoning was at least partially based on the fact that, at the time the case was decided in 1992, there were over 6,000 separate sales and use tax jurisdictions in the United States (states, localities, special tax districts, etc.) and to impose a collection obligation on a remote seller would impose a crushing burden that would severely restrict interstate commerce. Today, a movement is afoot to simplify state sales tax systems in order to lobby Congress to overturn Quill and require remote sellers to collect sales and use tax.

Update: Professor John Mikesell from the Indiana University School of Public and Environmental Affairs writes that at the time of the Quill decision, his data (compiled for a brief filed in the Quill case) shows that there were 6,277 separate sales tax jurisdictions and 4,452 separate use tax jurisdictions. Thus, there were less use tax jurisdictions than sales tax jurisdictions at the time the case was decided, though the number was still substantial.

Amazon is just one of many in the groundswell of fighters keeping the Internet tax free as it should be.

Gregoire will have to turn a herd of high paid attorneys and a P pot full of tax $$$ making her case stick on this one.

Not to mention the army of attorneys she will need to police every single sales site on the internet.

KEEP THE INTERNET TAX FREE!

Posted by: GS on May 22, 2008 09:35 PM
21. Tax Reference Manual Provides A to Z Info on State and Local Taxes
OLYMPIA, Wash., March 20, 2002--what's the state's largest source of tax revenue? The sales tax, of course. But how much do other tax sources contribute? You'll find the answers online in the latest Tax Reference Manual.
The Washington State Department of Revenue has posted the 2002 edition of the manual on its web site. The 200-page manual is the latest comprehensive rundown of the history and application of 120 state and local taxes. It cites the statutory authority for each tax, lists rate changes over the years, and indicates how much each tax has yielded over the past decade. The report also summarizes tax collections for fiscal 2001.

1. sales tax generated $5.5 billion in state taxes, or 46.5 percent of all taxes.
2. business and occupation tax generated just over $2 billion, or 17 percent,
3. state school levy was the third largest source of revenue at $1.4 billion, or 11.5% 4. motor vehicle fuel tax at $611.8 million, or 5.2 percent.
5. real estate excise tax was fifth at $435.1 million, or 3.7 percent.

Altogether, $11.87 billion in state taxes was collected in fiscal 2001.
To see the manual, please go to http://dor.wa.gov/reports/taxref2002/contents.htm?noframes or look under the statistical reports tab of the agency's web site, http://dor.wa.gov.

Current budget 32 Billion Dollars
Additionally Man made Global Warming structure 2.16 Billion Dollars
State estimate tax on co2 "cap and trade" will be 21.16 Billion Dollars 33+21=54 Billion dollars?????

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