May 16, 2008
Barack Obama's one explanation for everything

The NYT's David Brooks explains Barack Obama's position on Hezbollah:

[Obama says] the U.S. should help the Lebanese government deliver better services to the Shiites "to peel support away from Hezbollah" and encourage the local populace to "view them as an oppressive force." The U.S. should "find a mechanism whereby the disaffected have an effective outlet for their grievances, which assures them they are getting social services."
Let me paraphrase:
You go into these small towns in Lebanon and, like a lot of small towns in the Mideast, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Siniora administration, and the Hariri administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them ... as a way to explain their frustrations.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 16, 2008 04:28 PM | Email This
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1. Actually, that should be "they cling to guns AND religion."

Obama seems to see everything through material eyes, not spiritual, not values. In some cases, it seems when countries move from being dirt poor to having some newfound wealth, some citizens take advantage of the new found wealth to spread a gospel of hate. In other words, they get richer, then fund more violence. I do not advocate keeping people poor in order to reduce the chances of violence. I do think any discussion of root causes of violence involves looking at more than just material factors. Life is complex.

Posted by: Stuart Jenner on May 16, 2008 04:25 PM
2. Let the American taxpayer provide food, clothing, medical care and a roof over Lebanon's head and all will be well. Damn, why didn't we think of that? I mean 40 years and hundreds of billions in welfare has been such a smashing success in America, hasn't it?

Posted by: Saltherring on May 16, 2008 04:49 PM
3. Is that every once and a while someone comes along and applies it to some other subject that one has weighed in on.

The law of unintended consequences meets up with hoisted on one's own petard here.

If you say one - can you deny that it is not applicable to the other? And if so is it fact that the unwashed masses are the force driving society?

So are we saying the author is pointing out the fallacy in the reasoning in the candidate for POTUS or is he saying that class transcends borders and the lower classes are nutso?

The fly in the ointment is the disconnect between the intellectual class in the two cases. In America the candidate was pointing out that the unwashed masses are rogue, they don't submit to the zeitgeist. I submit for your consideration that the power structure feeds the mass hysteria in the second. I would also submit that there is a difference in kind in the two groups submitted by the author as exemplary. I cannot put my finger on exactly how they differ, yet, but it will came to me.

But what has been made clear is that the left defers to the stated wants of the masses as a legitimate cause for grievance in one case and finds the other incapable of knowing what is right.

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 05:57 PM
4. O.K. now let me clue ya' to where I am headed. The MSM plays video after video of the "common man" in other words the "street" in an effort to have us rally behind the "cause" in one scenario, in the other the common man is put up as a buffoon who is incapable of understanding complicated issues. So is the common man a f'n buffoon or is the common man genius? Let me tell ya' what the common man is to the MSM, the common man is a a prop, an empty suit and a pawn to be USED to their designs. And the reason they gain any traction is because this country has a significant population of people who were taught to accept what the MSM feeds them.

Is it any wonder I am cynical?

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 06:14 PM
5. Sir? Sir? JDH Sir?

For the benefit of us that are new to your lecture class, could you tell us what the "designs" of the MSM are?

Posted by: Unkl Witz on May 16, 2008 06:24 PM
6. If you happen to be an intellectual Rumple Stilskin let's just take a look at the research done into why people have gone into "journalism" since the 60's. Are you aware that, by a wide margin, they wanted to "chance the world" was THEIR most common response? And are you aware that the voting patterns of journalists have tracked > 85% in favor of the "progressive" agenda or towards candidates who are self described "progressives" when the candidate self identified? So even you, if ya' can put down the bong for long enough, should be able to figure it out - ya' stupid M'f-er. Get lost.

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 06:45 PM
7. Should say change the world, ya' stupid m'f-r. Get lost

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 06:47 PM
8. Thank you sir, if I may, a follow-up question?

Would David Broder be considered part of the MSM?

Posted by: Unkl Witz on May 16, 2008 06:55 PM
9. Yes he would, but when ya' consider the MSM what ya' are considering is the zeitgeist, no? Yes ya' are. It's a push and pull and the zeitgeist has definitely been portrayed as being in one specific direction even when the electorate weighed in and said otherwise. Ya' stupid M'F-r.

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 07:03 PM
10. Obama is nothing more than an empty Handout king. Reminds me of a certain tax and spend happy B in this state.

Not interested thanks!

Posted by: GS on May 16, 2008 07:39 PM
11. Unkl Witz @ 5 & 8

Guatama Buddha - "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.  Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

Give up your Marxism, your Facism your full of it mouth and find your true path, your englightenment :)

Posted by: barackslawyer on May 16, 2008 07:59 PM
12. Thanks for your answer JD Sir. But just one more quick question if you don't mind??

Are you aware that if you keep calling people "stupid M'F-r", someone is going to knock your teeth down your throat?

I have no other questions.

Posted by: Unkl Witz on May 16, 2008 08:21 PM
13. #1-

Of course Obama thinks in material terms. Obama has no spiritual values. Look at his pastor for the last 20 years.

Posted by: zDawg on May 16, 2008 08:37 PM
14. Har, Har---love it, Stefan!

Posted by: Michele on May 16, 2008 09:13 PM
15. A person's character is defined by who he associates with. Sen. Obama has not been associating with good people in his private life, however I'll give him the benefit of a doubt, as there have been some things he has said which have sounded reasonable, but then he is notoriously careless with the facts at times - so that is a mixed bag.

In this case, I am dubious about his explanation on how he would deal with the middle East. I would like to hear a debate about this issue between he and Sen. McCain and then let the chips fall where they may. There are alot of grey areas in this election and if Obama wants to paint McCain as black and white, he will find out how mistaken he is. McCain has done this to Obama only when the opportunity presents itself. One also wonders why he was so quick to respond to Bush, when Bush did not even mention him by name - paranoia perhaps or he doth protest too much ?

Posted by: KS on May 16, 2008 09:58 PM
16. I agree, the quick nature response is really interesting. For all we know, Bush could have also been thinking of people in Europe when he made his comments.

Posted by: Stuart Jenner on May 16, 2008 10:02 PM
17. Wanna give it a try?

Been calling people Stupid M'Fr's a long damn time now and still sportin' the china the good Lord gave me.

Likta' try? Played a lotta f'n hockey and raced a lotta' G'damn motor cycles and got the scars to show for it.

You are a stupid M'F-r, I calls um as I sees um. I'm here any time ya' wana' try a piece of me.

Not only am I a lot smarter than you...

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 10:14 PM
18. So there ya' have it. Cage match between JDH and Unk... what the f. So long as it doesn't conflict with a Sprint Car race on dirt that i won't miss for anything - schedule it and it's unk vs JDH in a no holds barred cage match. Any bets?

Posted by: JDH on May 16, 2008 10:21 PM
19. They are the change they seek.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 16, 2008 10:37 PM
20. The debates this year between Sen Obama and Sen McCain could be very ineresting. Of course that depends on whether or not the questions are scripted to be soft balls (for both) or whether the are actually asked questions that require real answers.

JDH, first you give a pretty descent evalutaion of how the "common man" is used in two different scenerio's, but then you go and detract from yourself by resorting to name calling towards someone that is merely questioning your thoughts. Perhaps that two could be a stark comparison as to how an "intellectual" will speak when he feels he is in the company of other liked minded people and how he digresses when he is challenged? Just a thought.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on May 16, 2008 10:41 PM
21. KS,

Obama obviously realized the "shoe fits" when the president made comments regarding the lunacy of negotiating with terrorists. Obama and his msm shills slammed the "damage control" and "attack" buttons simultaneously, realizing Obama had based much of his middle-eastern policy proposals on open negotiations with the Iranian government, Hamas, and other terrorist entities. To deny this confirms Obama as not only a "Jimmy Carter fool", but a bald-faced liar.

Posted by: Saltherring on May 17, 2008 06:52 AM
22. "For the benefit of us that are new to your lecture class, could you tell us what the "designs" of the MSM are?"

Is simply an invitation to set off on an endless looping discussion regarding whether or not the MSM is ideologically aligned and whether or not they use their microphone to advance their ideology surreptitiously by inserting little snippets in here and whole essays disguised as news in there.

There is a documented pattern that includes no mention of Party when there is Democrat malfeasance to snide sniping at someone for misspelling Potato and then turning a blind eye to The Messiah of the 57 States.

If he can't figure it out then I am not going to be distracted by getting into a discussion of the obvious.

The left seeks to advance situational relevance and the case that there is no objective truth, that it is all perception and different people can have different truths for exactly this purpose.

I say if ya' want to go in that direction - get lost ya'..

Posted by: JDH on May 17, 2008 09:12 AM
23. Mark Steyn's piece on the matter sums it up nicely.

Obama takes umbrage, because the truth hurts. The Left refuses to acknowledge any differences in the degree or hateful rhetoric, the situation in the Middle East, the extent of Nuclear Programs, the totality of the threats, etc. Everything gets reduced to the bromides of "peace talks" and negotiation.

And this is consistent with so much of left leaning philosophy. You know the same philosophy that seeks to rehabilitate rapists and serial killers. The same philosophy that thinks that one more homeless shelter will end the "war on homelessness." The same philosophy that would shut down the US economy for the sake of reducing carbon footprint.

If it looks like a Marxist and talks like a Marxist, it's a Marxist. End Progressivism. Expose Obama, his lies, appeasement, and association with radicals and terrorists.

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 17, 2008 09:57 AM
24. What's puzzling is that we view this as in any way controversial, when this has been the history of U.S. diplomacy, until very recently. This whole notion of not talking to people, it didn't hold in the 60s, it didn't hold in the '70s, it didn't hold in the '80s, it didn't hold in the '90s, against much more powerful adversaries; much more dangerous adversaries. I mean, when Kennedy met with Khrustiev, we were on the brink of nuclear war. When Nixon met with Mao that was with the knowledge that Mao had exterminated millions of people. And yet we understood that we could advance our national security interests by at least opening up lines of communication. And this was bipartisan. And it's a signal of how badly our foreign policy has drifted over the last eight years; how much it has been skewed by the rhetoric of the Bush Administration that this should even be a controversial proposition.

Posted by: dkos on May 17, 2008 10:30 AM
25. I heard that Keithy D-olbermann went on a 12-1/2 minute rant about Bush on his program on some unwatched channel....newsflash for Keithy "Bush isn't running for the presidency again".

...and here I thought Dave Ross liked the sound of his own voice. It would appear he has competition.

Posted by: Rick D. on May 17, 2008 11:09 AM
26. "I mean, when Kennedy met with Khrustiev..."

Kennedy met with someone named Khrustiev? on what? ...a 'Simpson's' episode?

Posted by: Rick D. on May 17, 2008 11:14 AM
27. #24 - You are staying with your Daily Kos talking points very nicely as your handle dkos suggests. Try spellcheck and at least the wikipedia before your flawed attempts to rewrite history again.

Posted by: KS on May 17, 2008 11:59 AM
28. Low level contact does take place between states even when they are in adversarial relationships. Obama stated he would meet with the axis of evil heads of state because he is walking a tightrope to appease the nutroots of his party. The nutroots admire communist Cuba (and Castro as long as he was El Jefe there), and the likes of Ahmadinajad because he vows to destroy Israel. The modern democrat hates Israel and sympathizes with the PLO/ PFLP types. They figure if we give jihadis hotpoint ranges and hybrids they will stop suicide bombing and jihad, if only the real rogue state (Israel) would behave. Democrats are the true 21st century fascists, and Rachel Corrie is their Horst Wessel.

Posted by: Attila on May 17, 2008 12:34 PM
29. The Republicans are wasting away because of more than just bad branding. It's because over the last eight years they've taken the country we know and done something terrible to it. And despite media blackouts and whitewashes, Americans intuitively know this, and are reaching to alternative media sources to discover more.

Posted by: dkos on May 17, 2008 02:12 PM
30. President Bush's remarks before the Knesset on Israel's 60th anniversary are now infamous. By this point, everyone knows that this attempt to link the idea of talking with enemies to the idea of appeasement, a process which involved giving away half of Czechoslavakia, is both silly and dishonest, a cheap ploy on the part of the Republican machine to equate diplomacy as such with the biggest mistakes of the Chamberlain Government. What hasn't been mentioned so much is what Bush's comments seem to say about the Middle East Peace Process, to which he claims to remain committed. The peace process, which has been stalled or moving backwards for almost the whole of Bush's term in office, was largely built on Prime Minister Rabin's difficult decision to deal directly with Yasir Arafat. At the time, Arafat was viewed much as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ismail Haniyeh are viewed today.

Posted by: dkos on May 17, 2008 02:15 PM
31. daily kos,

I don't know what planet you've been living on, but 60 years of "peace talks" between Israel and the "Palistinians" have yielded nothing but concessions by Israel and increased terrorist attacks by the Syrian (and in later years Iranian)-backed "Palistinians".

So, what makes you think we can expect different from face-to-face U.S.-Iranian talks? Any freely-elected government that parlays with despots has earned the scorn of its citizens, as well as the rest of the world. Obama is an idiot in the mold of Jimmy Carter if he thinks he can gain anything negotiating with the likes of Ahmadinejad.

Posted by: Saltherring on May 17, 2008 02:36 PM
32. There is no comparison, morally or intellectually, between the Labor Prime Minister who gave his life for peace and the Republican President who pretended to give up golf for war. The moral gulf which separates George Bush from Yitzhak Rabin is as wide as the one which separates Jack Abramoff from Mohatma Gandhi. Nonetheless, it is amazing that President Bush could have been so ignorant or so indifferent to the Arab-Israeli peace process that, in order to get in an ugly and dishonest attack on Senator Obama, he would so fundamentally condemn Rabin's legacy and the whole of the peace process as to say that talking to enemies was, in and of itself, tantamount to appeasement and that he would say it before the Knesset, where Rabin himself once stood to argue for peace. That his comments were followed shortly by Mike Huckabee's tasteless joke about assassinating Senator Obama is a particularly ugly coincidence.

Posted by: dkos on May 17, 2008 03:13 PM
33. The problem with the Mark Steyn piece is it suffers from typical Republican anti-American pansy-ism. It takes the position that one can only negotiate from strength, and Republicans never believe America is strong, therefore one should never negotiate. Obama's position is just the opposite: America is the biggest badass on the planet, and therefore can afford to negotiate with anyone.

If only Republicans could manage to stop hating America. It's like McCain saying we'll be in Iraq for 100 years. He has no faith in our ability to win more quickly. Or Rumsfeld's, "As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want." There is no higher tribute to the professionalism of our military than that he didn't get fragged then and there.

Posted by: Laszlo Toth, Jr. on May 17, 2008 05:32 PM
34. Daily Kos,

Do you actually believe there would be anything for Israel to gain in "negotiations" with the Arabs? The "Palistinians" and their Arab and Iranian backers are classic examples of the old adage that "it's easy to tell when they're lying because their lips are moving".

And for the second time, there was no "ugly and dishonest attack" on Senator Obama. If indeed Obama was the intended target of the president's statement, the senator has openly stated he would negotiate with Iran's Ahmadinejah, who actively supports terrorism in Iraq and israel, making him a terrorist.

Posted by: Saltherring on May 17, 2008 07:52 PM
35. Laszio Toth Jr,

Your comments "Republican anti-American pansy-ism" and "Republicans could manage to stop hating America" belong on Saturday night live. And you need to put the bong down, junior.

Posted by: Saltherring on May 17, 2008 07:58 PM
36. Mark Steyn's philosophy is like Reagan's - trust but verify. Anyone who would put themselves in a position to negotiate with the states supporting Radical Islam is being irresponsible to its citizenry. Furthermore, there is nothing to be gained from doing that. It would be about as productive as Bush flying to Saudi Arabia and asking the royal family to increase oil production, to which he was told no, but thanks for flying over.
Hey dkos and Lazlo - why was Obama so quick to get defensive about Bush's accusations when his name was not even mentioned ? Seems like he protested too much and was paranoid, just like both of you get when take too many bong hits.

Laszlo Toth Jr's. more correctly quote has been revised to reflect reality, instead of his delusions with his drugs doing the talking.

"The progressive wing of the Democrat Party doesn't pay attention to the outcome for America, because we are America and they will automatically respect us, therefore one should be able to negotiate with anyone. They are naive in trusting anyone, as Jimmy Carter has demonstrated in previous negotiations with North Korea and more recently Hamas. McCain's position is just the opposite: America is strong, and we must be able to trust who we negotiate from strength and obtain peace through strength."

Posted by: KS on May 17, 2008 09:48 PM
37.
Since when has stating a policy turned in saying "...and so, we have to find a way to...".

"Having to find a way" is what a policy is SUPPOSED to be!

Staying in Iraq is a policy. It's real. It's a decision about what to do in the physical universe. Saying that you understand all the problems that may result if you pull out of Iraq, and then saying, "yes, but we have to find a way" to deal with them is the abnegation of policy making!

Posted by: John Bailo on May 18, 2008 05:52 PM
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