The details of turnout - and consequent party-building efforts - during the Democrats' drawn-out primary process, coupled with Obama's grassroots voter registration/voter contact drive should be damn troubling to Republicans.
Yes, Obama may receive an especially large beating among now much-discussed white working class voters. In some key battlegrounds that could doom his cause.
Yet, in some contested states a large boost of new voters and/or record turnout in key constituencies could more than make up for his working class weakness. Even if Obama loses the Presidency, which is more than possible under such a scenario, that could cause real harm to Republicans down the ballot in key races.
Moreover, it's not as if McCain's lack of ability to inspire the grassroots in tandem with the weaknesses of the generic Republican name brand can have any serious hope of matching all potential Democratic gains.
In short, McCain really needs to whip Obama. A close race means turnout operations matter, even as the circumstances of 2008 mean the RNC will be exceptionally hard pressed to match 2004.
Also, the onus is on the likes of the Rossi campaign and the WSRP to have effective voter contact programs to mitigate this potential national-level discrepancy.
Posted by Eric Earling at May 08, 2008 08:43 PM | Email ThisFortunately for Washington State, this will also doom Dino
Posted by: Unkl Witz on May 8, 2008 09:02 PMRunning an empty-suited fringe leftist ain't the way to get into the White House... unless you're on a tour.
Posted by: Hinton on May 8, 2008 11:09 PMMcCain will be key with older Americans who do vote reliably, and he will be key with Republicans who may not really like him, but will hold their noses and vote, given the alternative of Carter-like tax increases and an almost unprecedented expansion in statist policy.
Posted by: Jeff B. on May 9, 2008 12:07 AMThere once was a guy named Rossi
Who, although blessed with a sizeable posse
Couldn't harness the votes
Even with E. Washington goats
To an election make - glossy
It's not too late Dino - PULL OUT NOW!
Posted by: Duffman on May 9, 2008 05:37 AMMcCain is the perfect buffer for the Republican party after 'W' has put a taint on the Republican brand. He won't put communists on the SCOTUS (Billary and Fauxbama would)and will be a good interim president while the GOP grooms a more conservative candidate for 2012.
If Romney is picked as his VP this go around, he would be a shoe in for 2012 provided McCain is not healthy enough to go a second term. It's time that liberals and conservatives alike get over this childish anti-mormonism we see rearing its ugly head when it's time to pick the most qualified candidate to run the country.
Romney is heads and shoulders more qualified and experienced in every facet of government than any of the current crop of lessors still in contention for the job.
McCain/Romney 2008
Posted by: Rick D. on May 9, 2008 06:08 AMIt should be Republicans at Republican conventions shouldn't it?
As a disclaimer, there are Paulites who are Republicans, but the gate crashers, I would think, are not.
Posted by: swatter on May 9, 2008 07:05 AMJohn McCain...another story. In all my lifetime of voting, I have never seen a moderate Republican win the presidency. They lose every time. And, yet, the moderates never learn from experience & history. Another case of stubborness.
Posted by: Susu on May 9, 2008 07:36 AM1) McCain wants to bomb Iran, ASAP.
2) McCain knows nothing about economics
3) McCain fully supports torturing other humans
I mean, how can you do better on the issues than this?
Posted by: Richard Borkowski on May 9, 2008 07:53 AMFor Obama, I know you like Bayh, who would be a decent Hillary-side replacement, but I still like Webb as my preferred choice. Webb counters Obama's weaknesses more than Bayh. Obama should definately not choose Rendell given Rendell's praise of Farahkan. Obama needs to put as much distance as he can with any of the Hillary generated controversies.
Posted by: tc on May 9, 2008 08:39 AMYou forgot:
4) Supports a gas tax holiday that will cost thousands of hard-working Americans their jobs while being summarily ridiculed by every economist under the sun.
In your little world President Kerry will be holding Wrights bible to swear in Obama.
Posted by: Andy on May 9, 2008 09:12 AMMcCain/Romeny = The flip-flop ticket...what view will they hold today. =)
McCain desperately needs the religious right, he's going to have to tack hard to the right to get them. Needs popular youthful religious person to the right of his. Extra points for that individual being from a swing state. I'm thinking Fredrick Smith or Tim Pawlenty.
I personally do not think Huckabee is going to be VP, despite having lots of religious support. Time will tell.
And don't bet your bottom dollar on the young vote. That's been a bust time after time.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on May 9, 2008 09:47 AMI know you'd like to think that most folks are racist, knuckledragging ditto-heads like yourself and Ragnar, but they are not. In the end, most will vote their own self-interest on the issues like Iraq and the Economy. Especially the older folks when they hear the great political strategist of our time like Pudge go around saying you want to eliminate Social Security.
Besides, he's said some pretty stupid things like this:
"But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."
As for the Flip-Flopping, maybe a look at your candidate's flip-flops when it has suited him and get back to me.
The way the superdelegates are trickling in giving their suport to the empty suit Obama, i'd reccomend Simon and Garfunkels ditty "slip sliding away".
Posted by: Rick D. on May 9, 2008 10:59 AMThe survey was done by the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., which has run independent research on elections for years. The poll surveyed 1,013 adults 18 years or older who live in the continental United States and were interviewed from April 22-24.The survey results for all residents are statistically significant with a margin of error of 3.1 percent.
Catholics typically have been an influential voting bloc in U.S. elections, and Anderson said it appears while taxes, the war on terror, the economy and other issues are getting attention, the issues over life and abortion trump everything.
"The overview is this: Sixty-four percent of Catholics say they understand better the church's position on issues now, and 40 percent of Catholics say they are more likely to vote as a result of Benedict's visit," Anderson said.
Furthermore...well two furthermores... most people aren't paying attention to this yet (outside of the political junkies) and to those that are it's all been about comparing Hillary and BitterBarry. We're just now seeing the beginning of comparing 143 days vs a lifetime of honorable service, a hateful, money grubbing haridan vs a calm, quiet philanthropist:
Michelle v Cindy
By Mark Alexander
While John McCain's extensive congressional record is well documented, until recently not much was known about his Leftist opponent, Barack Hussein Obama. Two of my three-part profile essays on Obama focus on those who have, by his own account, been his most significant mentors. (See Disciple of Hate and Another Marx brother.)Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 11:03 AMStill trying to discern who Obama really is, we turn this week to the person who is closest to him, his wife and self-proclaimed senior policy advisor, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama. Hillary Rodham Clinton may have butted her way into a few policy issues during her husband's presidential tenure, but Michelle Obama will very likely be dictating policy if her husband gets elected.
Michelle Obama was born 17 January 1964 into a middle-income family on the South Side of Chicago. She grew up with a mother and father in her home, and an older brother. After excelling in high school, Michelle majored in sociology and minored in African-American studies at Princeton University.
At Princeton, she authored a senior thesis entitled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community," proclaiming that her college experience "made me far more aware of my 'Blackness.' I will always be Black first..."
She went on to complete her JD from Harvard Law School in 1988.
After law school, Michelle returned to Chicago to work for the law firm Sidley Austin, where she was assigned to mentor the only other black employee of the firm, Barack Obama.
The two were married by their now-infamous pastor, Jeremiah Wright, in October 1992. They have two daughters, Malia Ann (1998) and Sasha (2001), and their principal residence is a fashionable South Side Georgian mansion purchased with the help of good friend, and local gangster, Tony Rezko.
After their marriage, Michelle joined the staff of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, arguably one of the most corrupt mayoral dynasties in America history.
So, who is this chief advisor to Barack?
She says her campaign role "is to give people yet another slice of who Barack is, making him even more multidimensional. People want to know not just about policies... but who are you? What do you believe in? Can I trust you?"
Indeed.
In her own words, like those of her husband, her "black first" indoctrination casts a pall over her vision for America.
"Fear creates this veil of impossibility and it is hanging over all of our heads," she recently said. "Only Barack Obama can fix America's soul. Only Barack Obama can fix America's broken soul."
Barack, our savior?
When not talking about fear and black victimhood, hope is a common theme: "What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback, and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment."
Princeton, Harvard, Mayor Daley and a million-dollar mansion, but "for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country"? On that note, my colleague, Michelle Malkin concludes, "I believe it was Michael Kinsley who quipped that a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth. In this case, it's what happens when an elite Democratic politician's wife says what a significant portion of the party's base really believes to be the truth: America is more a source of shame than pride."
Like Barack, Michelle builds her stump speeches around the victimization script.
She repeatedly claims that America is "just downright mean" and whines that we are "a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day... Folks are struggling like never before..."
Of her husband's woes regarding his racist and Marxist mentors, she complains, "The bar has been shifting and moving in this race, but the irony is, the sad irony is, that's exactly what is happening to most Americans in this country."
Yuval Levin, a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, writes of Michelle, "By her husband's logic, Michelle Obama must be a heavily armed xenophobic religious zealot, because boy is she bitter... In Michelle Obama's America, everybody's suffering, no one has time to make any friends, no one earns enough to eke out a living anymore, and the bar of success is always being moved just out of reach."
So, another wealthy "useful idiot" in the vein of Jean-Francois Kerry and Teddy Kennedy is going to save the proletariat from the czars? That dog won't hunt in the general election.
In contrast to Michelle Obama, let me introduce you to Cindy Hensley McCain, wife of Republican contender John McCain.
Cindy McCain was born 20 May 1954 in Phoenix, Arizona, and was the only child of James and Marguerite Hensley. She went to Central High School in Phoenix and was a rodeo beauty queen.
She went on to complete both a BA and an MA in education at the University of Southern California. Afterward, she began a career as a special-education teacher in Avondale, Arizona, working with severely disabled children.
She met John McCain in 1979 at a military reception in Hawaii. He was 18 years her senior. McCain and his first wife, Carol, were divorced in February 1980, and he married Cindy on 17 May 1980 in Phoenix. John has two adopted sons and one daughter, Sidney (1966), from a previous marriage, and he and Cindy have four children, Meghan (1984), John IV (1986), James (1988) and their adopted daughter, Bridget (1994). Cindy discovered Bridget in Mother Teresa's Bangladesh orphanage, which did not have the medical care facilities to provide surgery the child needed to survive. She brought the child back to the U.S. , she saw to it that the infant was nursed back to good health, and Bridget is now a healthy and vibrant 16-year-old.
The McCains had a difficult year in 1989, as Cindy became addicted to painkillers following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs. She overcame that addiction with the help of her husband, family and friends.
In the following years, in addition to raising her family, Cindy was instrumental in several charitable institutions. She founded and was CEO of American Voluntary Medical Team, an organization that arranged medical assistance to victims of natural disasters or civil wars around the world. She has also been active with Operation Smile medical teams, taking trips to Morocco, Vietnam and India. She serves on the board of the HALO Trust, and she has been hands-on in operations to remove landmines in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Mozambique, Angola and Kuwait, where she witnessed the death of a child from a landmine detonation. She is a board member of CARE, which assists impoverished women and children.
In 2000, after the death of her father, Cindy became chairman of Hensley & Co. , one of the nation's largest Anheuser-Busch distributors, where she consults with the CEO on all major business initiatives. Her estimated net worth is in excess of $100 million.
Cindy suffered a serious stroke from high blood pressure in April 2004, but through physical therapy, has made a near-full recovery.
Though we don't hear anything about this on the campaign trail, both of Cindy's and John's boys are serving their nation in the military. Jimmy, a Marine, is preparing for his second tour of duty in Iraq. (He was so young when he enlisted that Cindy had to sign consent forms.) John IV (Jack) is about to graduate from Annapolis (his father's alma mater) and aspires to become a Marine officer.
In stark contrast to Michelle Obama, here is Mrs. McCain's position on the issues: "My husband's the candidate. I'm not." In regard to her vision for America, she says with a smile, "I have and always will be proud of my country." Clearly, her husband echoes that sentiment.
One might take you seriously if you showed the same outrage when your fellow idiots "plagiarized" {/snicker} with quotes and links. You perfectly execute the BitterBarry/dim lefty playbook: atack anything and everything in lieu of the ability to OFFER.
It's nap time. Finish your sandwich, your koolaid and grab your binky and blanky
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskold on May 9, 2008 11:53 AMRemind us of just ONE profound, non-insulting, non-attacking, non-instigating, non-agitating comment, insight, idea or sentence you have originated.
Tick, tock.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 12:01 PMTick, tock.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 12:04 PMIf there were a visual dictionary, your photo would serve as the definition.
Tick, tock.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 12:24 PMFrom what I can tell you haven't learned anything.
Your paste-o-rama about how Cindy McCain and her ten bazillion dollars inheritance is somehow less of an elitist then a self-made man who worked hard all his life to get into good schools and make something of himself just about made me fall out of my chair with laughter.
Do us all a favor, try a hyperlink instead of spamming your copy & paste articles on the message board.
I'm sure that is directed at WVH as well, right Cato? Dont' want you to seem partisan or anything.
I am sure Cato means me too, just so you don't feel that he is picking on you because you are a __________. Personally, I am trying to get my cut & paste to the point I can compete with Rags. It is good to get on the nerves of all political persuasions, that is what indies do.
Posted by: WVH on May 9, 2008 03:21 PMNow that would be a real Unity ticket for Change.
Posted by: McCain/Hillary '08 on May 9, 2008 03:54 PMMust have gotten under your skin, we're back to using my first name. Touchy, touchy or is it touche.
Posted by: WVH on May 9, 2008 04:43 PMBy the way, do you remember this comment from the Kansas and the burbs thread?
52. Am I the only one here that wishes WVH would learn HTML?
Posted by Rick D. at May 9, 2008 03:07 PM
Still, I want to be able to cut and paste like Rags, because he's da man and he supports Ms. Rand and is Catholic at the same time. An ability to cut and paste and compartmentalize, kinda like Bubba.
Posted by: WVH on May 9, 2008 04:52 PMPeople who comment on the faith of others are on very thin ground especially since your goddess is very, very, very clear that she is pro-choice, likes to kill ALL little babies, an atheist and against all religion, especially the Catholic church.
So, you attempt to smear anyone who questions YOUR political agenda and view of the world. You are very much like your idol who was brittle, thinskinned and attempted to smear everyone who questioned her lame philosophy. She went after all kinds of folks.
Since you have my dossier, you are well aware of my gender as I am aware of details about you. The difference between me and the Rand clones is I can actually debate the issues. One of the reasons I am supporting Governor Gregoire is that she does not need to harass, threaten, and intimidate people. Did you check out the latest fundraising stats?
Constantly attacking Governor Gregoire because she is enforcing the current law. Questioning OTHER people's faith because you can't come to terms with the fact that YOU are the one supporting an alien philosophy to what YOU claim is YOUR religion. Your goddess is the ONLY one who advocated killing babies, time to accept that fact.
Posted by: WVH on May 9, 2008 06:55 PMHamas and Al-Qaeda will be happy; face it if Obama wins.. There will be unintended consequences to pay down the road & you can take that to the bank, if the trend of Americans going for instant gratification/the perceived quick fix, that will backfire like when Carter was President. If there is one thing that should be understood from the past two administrations; a balance of power (one party controls congress and the other party controls the White House) is always better than one-party control. People in WA State should be able to see this clear as the nose on your face.
Posted by: KS on May 9, 2008 09:10 PMFurthermore, sweetcheeks she appointed a NARAL board member to the State Board of Pharmacy.
Furthermore, sweetcheeks queen for baby killing was represented at the "Power of Choice" by "People for Christine Gregoire" this year.
Furthermore, sweetcheeks in January of this year, "Pro-choice activists gathered in Olympia ... meeting with legislators and gathering in the Capitol Rotunda where they heard an energizing speech from Governor Gregoire."
Furthermore, sweetcheeks, pro-choicers were told to "pray" for Gregoire... can anyone/anything be more despicable... to pray that a baby killing supporter wins office?
Furthermore, sweetcheeks,
Gregoire also pointed out - however briefly - her difference with Rossi on abortion and other reproductive issues: Gregoire favors abortion rights and access to "morning-after" contraceptives, while Rossi is personally opposed to abortion but has said he would not challenge the status quo.
So sweetcheeks, you are either delusional, willfully blind or just plain stupid if you think the queen baby killing promoter is just "enforcing the current law".
And sweetcheeks, I don't have to stand in judgement of the queen phony Catholic as the Church already has" "The Catholic Church regards abortion, as well as embryonic stem cell research, as 'intrinsically evil.'
Sleep well evil supporter.... and try not to think about your flagrant disobedience every single time you rise to receive Communion.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 09:23 PMUnder Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favor of abortion have "doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future".
Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
Some Catholics say they personally would not have an abortion but feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose.But the Church, which teaches that life begins at the moment of conception and that abortion is murder, says Catholics cannot have it both ways.
The Church teaches abortion is murder...Catholics cannot have it both ways.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 9, 2008 09:36 PMSave the phony outrage, you can't have it both ways either. Your goddess believed women had an absolute right to an abortion. A lot of your outrage is simply political posturing because you can't debate the issues. You bring up your loyalty to the Church and your moniker comes from the goddess who was just as bad as Rev. Hagee.
If you were intellectually honest, you would say that you wouldn't vote for Governor Gregoire because you feel that Senator Rossi is a better candidate or would do a better job. Instead, you attempt to attack the faith of any one who will not mouth the same words as you. There is a cult of Rand clones and there is a basic ideology which flows from the books called objectivism. There are objectivist ethics and guess what, dude, they do not align with Catholic Social teaching. The following link from the Capitalist Center describes the difficulty of aligning Catholic social teaching with objectivism:
http://www.capitalismcenter.org/Philosophy/Commentary/02/11-03-02.htm
One of the questions that has always been addressed to Catholic politicians is whether they can uphold and enforce the law. In this state, abortion is currently legal and the Washington State Constitution contains this provision:
SECTION 7 INVASION OF PRIVATE AFFAIRS OR HOME PROHIBITED. No person shall be disturbed in his private affairs, or his home invaded, without authority of law.
http://www.leg.wa.gov/LawsAndAgencyRules/constitution.htm
I understand that Senator Rossi is Catholic and prolife, does he enforce laws which keep the status quo in abortion or does he defy laws currently on the books? That is the question all Catholic politicans face. Not that I would vote for you, Rags what do you do?
Posted by: WVH on May 9, 2008 10:32 PMthe baby killing queen is up to her armpits in the blood of dead babies, sweetcheeks (both aborted and DHS) and there you are wiping her brow AND her butt, begging to do more.
As a practicing, abiding Catholic, I have every right to call bullshit on those that claim but don't obey: from kennedy to Kerry to Pelosi to Dodd to Murray to Cantwell to the queen baby killer to YOU, so save you sanctimony sweetcheeks. I may like a fictional character4 enough to borrow his name but YOU hitched your star to a real life lying Catholic.
The Church teaches abortion is murder...Catholics cannot have it both ways.
Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
It's about time for ArchBishop Finger-in-the-wind to start sanctioning you sinners.
Now we're back to the real you, you said:
"Clearly, affirmative action "PhD"," I suppose that is movement from little Black victim. Point is clueless you can't see that the objectivist philosophy of the character whose name you use for your moniker and the teachings of the Catholic church are in conflict. No distinction needs to be made, the philosophy and Catholic social teaching conflict.
1. You didn't answer the question about Senator Rossi. This is what the position of the two candidates seems to be on abortion:
"Gregoire also pointed out - however briefly - her difference with Rossi on abortion and other reproductive issues: Gregoire favors abortion rights and access to "morning-after" contraceptives, while Rossi is personally opposed to abortion but has said he would not challenge the status quo."
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/17366474.html
What the governor recognizes is that one is not going to legislate the PERSONAL CHOICE of an individual woman, people have to persuade each woman to choose not to abort. I suspect that Seantor Rossi will not attempt to change the right to abortion, but might attempt to introduce informed consent or a waiting period. From everything I have heard about him, he is pragmatic. There is no political will to eliminate abortion at this time. I will answer the question you ducked, I would expect that he would enforce the laws on the books. That might cause him problems with some of his base as they would expect him to move to eliminate abortions. But, he says this about abortion:
""I've always believed that abortion was never intended except for maybe cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother," he said. "If I have to change my position on an issue of conscience to become governor, it's not worth it." But he argues that abortion is a federal issue and that, as governor, he'd have little say in the matter. "I'm not running for the U.S. Supreme Court," he said. "We have about as much control over that (abortion) as we do over world peace."
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/elections/2004/candidates/candidate.asp?ID=65
So save the phony outrage.
2. Senator Rossi has to appeal to a broad base of voters.
Catholicism and Abortion Attitudes in the American States: A Contextual Analysis
Elizabeth Adell Cook, Ted G. Jelen and Clyde Wilcox
Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Vol. 32, No. 3 (Sep., 1993), pp. 223-230 (article consists of 8 pages)
Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of Society for the Scientific Study of Religion
Catholicism and Abortion Attitudes in the American States: A Contextual Analysis, by Elizabeth Adell Cook, Ted G. Jelen and Clyde Wilcox © 1993 Society for the Scientific Study of Religion.
Abstract
Using data from state exit polls in 1990, we attempted to determine the manner in which Roman Catholicism affects abortion attitudes. We compared individual-level effects, in which the Church socializes individual members, with contextual effects, in which the Church affects abortion attitudes by altering the terms of the debate outside the Church's membership. Both effects were found to be statistically significant, although the contextual effects of Catholicism were negative. This suggests that the Catholic Church is rather effective in teaching antiabortion attitudes to its members, but that a strong Catholic presence in a particular state occasions countermobilization on the part of non-Catholics.
©2000-2008 JSTOR All Rights Reserved. JSTOR® and the JSTOR logo are registered trademarks.
I have met people who disagree with Senator Rossi on policy, but I haven't met anyone who says he was stuck on stupid. He would govern as a pragmatist is my prediction.
Yes or no?
Bendedict has been perfectly clear.
What the governor recognizes is that one is not going to legislate the PERSONAL CHOICE of an individual woman,
Such bullshit from the Phd, who one assume knows that "personal choice" is code word for KILLING A BABIES... or perhaps in the the immortal words of that purveyor of infanticde "not being punished with a child".
Twirly twirly spin spin sweetcheeks. If the queen baby killer does not publicly stand AGAINST abortion, she is sinning in the eyes of the Church... as are YOU. She has accepted money, sent representatives, hired NARAL and publicly spoken at Pro-BABY KILLING events... all over and above "enforcing the law".
The Catholic Church teaches that the consecrated host is the body and blood of Jesus Christ and that to take it while consciously in a state of sin is, citing the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:29, "to eat and drink your own damnation."
I think it's time for Olympia Catholics of the parish where the queen practices her sin and hypocrisy to stand up and loudly make a scene. She needs a great big fat scarlet A... for aborter.
Wnat me to admire queen baby killing witch?
Let her stand up and say loudly "My Catholic faith is more important than politics. My soul is more important than power and therefore I am divorcing myself from baby killing money, baby killing honors and agreement to advancing future baby killing legislation."
Right.
When pigs fly.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 10, 2008 09:24 AM1. Rags you into the cooking sherry as one of the boys likes to say. Now this is what Senator Rossi has said:
"But he argues that abortion is a federal issue and that, as governor, he'd have little say in the matter. "I'm not running for the U.S. Supreme Court," he said. "We have about as much control over that (abortion) as we do over world peace."
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/elections/2004/candidates/candidate.asp?ID=65
He says that he would have little to say on the issue. So, you plan to call him a baby killer because he remains silent? Thought so. Incidently, you are on very thin ground attacking any other person's faith when YOUR religion of choice is the objectivist creed spouted by YOUR favorite author and philosopher Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady. Her philosophy of objectivism not only allows for abortion, but encourages it as an expression of personal freedom and liberty. On the issue of altruism she thinks that those that need assistance are losers in life and those give it are idiots. Even you, who probably sleeps through the homilies must have gotten some hint of Catholic social teaching which 180 degrees opposite objectivism.
YOUR candidate WILL enforce current law. Deal with it. He could have spearheaded an initiative to limit abortion. Did he? So does he have the blood of dead babies on his tenure in government?
2. Now, how do I feel about abortion. I believe that it is murder because the soul enters the person at the moment of conception. Problem with legislating against abortion is that one cannot prevent abortion even though it is illegal. Women have to be persuaded to carry a child to term. They have to believe that there are in fact other viable options for them and their child. The UN has done some studies on Romania and that coercive system. Total bans don't work, good birth control and persuasion do. Other than reading Rand, I have yet to encounter another person who was for abortion. Most people are for letting each woman make that decision.
At this point, there is no political will from either party to ban abortion. Senator Rossi is NOT going to go there either. You said this:
"Wnat me to admire queen baby killing witch?
Let her stand up and say loudly "My Catholic faith is more important than politics. My soul is more important than power and therefore I am divorcing myself from baby killing money, baby killing honors and agreement to advancing future baby killing legislation."
Right.
When pigs fly."
Please post Senator Rossi's statement in which he states once elected, he will go the South Dakota route and seek a total ban on abortion. I will read it with interest. He isn't going to make a statement with your content and you know it. You are making an intellectually dishonest argument.
3. Rickie
I doubt you would vote for a democrat if that person had ALL the attributes of Jesus. Even Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, who people from both parties acknowledged was a good governor had difficulties with the Florida version of DSHS. The problem is when the institution of the family breaks down, there are no quick, easy or cheap fixes. I expect that were Seantor Rossi to win, there would still be problems, especially since he plans to fund his transportation proposal through the general fund.
Posted by: WVH on May 10, 2008 01:41 PMAs for the break down in the family unit, what are you doing about helping your community deal with it? 7 out of 10 children are born out of wedlock in the black community and all I hear from their leaders is excuses.
Posted by: Rick D. on May 10, 2008 03:42 PMI didn't ask you how you feel about abortion.
I asked you "DO YOU BELIEVE IN FOLLOWING THE RULES OF YOUR PURPORTED CHURCH AND HER LEADER? Yes or no?".
You want to try to get away (like most liberal word twisters) with confusing enforcing the law with personal beliefs.
Your queen, the one to whom you pledged support has aligned herself REPEATEDLY with the baby-killer industry by being honored as their keynote speaker, by accepting their money, by rewarding that cash with places in her administration and by giving rousing speeches at pro-abortion events. She is actively pro-abortion and as such has violated the doctrine and laws of the Church she claims.
Killing babies is a simple issue: you either think it's acceptable or you think it's abominable.
You and you queen wants to claim its abominable personally but acceptable for others. Bullshit.
Acceptable or abominable, it can NOT be both.
Right or wrong, it can NOT be both.
Read your Aristotle. The Law of Identity: A thing is itself; it cannot be and not be at the same time. A = A
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You claim to be Catholic, in our Church what is the purpose of Confirmation?
In the Catholic Church, what single 'thing' do we Catholics do every single year at Easter Services? Why do we do it?
If you dare answer those questions, (and honestly. .. if you are actually capable of that kind of self scrutiny) then you KNOW your support for that queen baby killer makes you just as much in grave violation of the Church as she is.
You either believe AND obey or you don't.
A = A
.2. If elected, does he seek to totally ban ALL abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and the life of the mother? Will he spearhead an initiative or have legislation introduced?
Posted by: WVH on May 10, 2008 02:21 PM
Pay attention, numbnuts.
Re 1.
There is no dichotomy with Catholic pro-life positions and enforcing laws. There is, however, a big difference between enforcing those laws and doing as your baby killing queen who has
1. Accepted honors from baby killers;
2. Been the key note speaker for baby killing functions;
3. Accepted monetary support from baby killers;
4. Rewarded that cash with positions for baby killers in her adminsitration;
5. Given rousing cheerleading speeches at baby killing rallies... as recently as JAN 2008.
Oh gee, I do believe she has gone above and beyond her "job" of "enforcing the law". One might even conclude that by her actions of acceptance and participation she has given her approval and support of baby killing.
Re 2. A Catholic politician does not have to actively work to do any of those things. The issue is not what one does against it; this issue is that one DOESN'T stand FOR it... like you and the queen baby killer.
Nice try.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 10, 2008 08:50 PMArchbishop Publicly Tells Pro-Abortion Kansas Governor Not to Receive Communion
Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann has directed Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius to refrain from presenting herself for Holy Communion until she takes "the necessary steps for amendment of her life which would include a public repudiation of her previous efforts and actions in support of laws and policies sanctioning abortion."The Archbishop made the directive public by writing about his actions in his archdiocesan newspaper The Leaven. "Having made every effort to inform and to persuade Governor Sebelius and after consultation with Bishop Ron Gilmore (Dodge City), Bishop Paul Coakley (Salina) and Bishop Michael Jackels (Wichita), I wrote the governor last August requesting that she refrain from presenting herself for reception of the Eucharist until she had acknowledged the error of her past positions, made a worthy sacramental confession and taken the necessary steps for amendment of her life which would include a public repudiation of her previous efforts and actions in support of laws and policies sanctioning abortion," he wrote.
Archbishop Naumann concluded his column stating, "I have not made lightly this request of Governor Sebelius, but only after much prayer and reflection. The spiritually lethal message, communicated by our governor, as well as many other high profile Catholics in public life, has been in effect: 'The church's teaching on abortion is optional!' I reissue my request of the faithful of the archdiocese to pray for Governor Sebelius. I hope that my request of the governor, not to present herself for holy Communion, will provoke her to reconsider the serious spiritual and moral consequences of her past and present actions. At the same time, I pray this pastoral action on my part will help alert other Catholics to the moral gravity of participating in and/or cooperating with the performance of abortions."
God does indeed work in mysterious ways, eh queen baby killer supporter?
" ...the courageous action of Kansas Archbishop Joseph Naumann who has publicly ordered pro-abortion Governor Kathleen Sebelius not to receive Communion. "
If only Seattle ArchBishop Finger-in-the-Wind would have such courage...
So, when Senator Rossi announces that his faith leads him to go the South Dakota route and restrict abortion as much as possible, please post the announcement.
At least you are getting a clue. It is not up to any member of the laity to judge another member of the laity's spiritual journey. Any issue with a church member should be taken up by their clergy. Last time I looked you hadn't joined the priesthood and worked your way up the ranks.
Go ahead and disagree about a particular policy, but attacking another's faith is not your job. You don't have to vote for Governor Gregoire if she promotes policies you don't like. But, to attack her faith when your favorite novelist thought up the objectivist philosophy which is 180 degrees away from Catholic social teaching, well....
Posted by: WVH on May 10, 2008 10:27 PMSince 1991 I've read 2028 books, of which the Rand books are but .00197%.
I chose the name of a favorite character which happened to be available as a Yahoo screen name.
It is a screen name I only use on this site. I have another for all other conservative sites at which I post, a 3rd-10th I use at HA and a true name I use with family and friends.
Unlike some who are clearly too stupid to know better, I don't risk my private identity to a mainly screwy public at large
I could have easily chosen Joe Pike or Jack Reacher or Al Capone or Thief Lord or Stephanie Plum or Stanley Yelnats or Sweet Potato Princess or Sherman McCoy or Phil Boudreau or Marlene Ciampi or Francie Nolan or Miles Roby or Milan Jakovich or Brian Robeson or Elizabeth Stride or Sin Killer or Karla Moore or Karana or Cynthia Kavanaugh or Neighbor Dorothy or Quarry or Black Dahlia or Great Santini or Anneke Bergstrom or Tommy Carmellini or Tibby or Joe Merchant or Hieronymus Bosch or Elizondo or Holden Caulfield or Phineas or Repairman Jack or Liesel Meminger or Olive Barstow or Santa Kid or Mrs Claus or even SAMBO.
Your desperate myopia defines only one of us.
So, when Senator Rossi announces that his faith leads him to go the South Dakota route and restrict abortion as much as possible, please post the announcement.
Cute, but desperate HYPOTHETICAL.
What is not hypothetical is your alliance to the queen baby killer and her alliance, allegiance and activity with them. With regards to her announced faith that is indefensible. Had she not desired it to be an issue she should have kept her mouth shut.
I don't judge her "spiritual journey". I could give a fart rats butt about her "spiritual journey".
But when she is going to stand up and claim she is a member of the faith that I obey while she willfully and knowingly slaps it in the face I do stand in judgement. I do stand in judgement of her public actions and behaviors, especially when they are in direct contradiction with her proclaimed "faith". As a Catholic I am well within my right to shout from the mountain top that she is a phony lying politician practicing her Catholicism of expedience when she wants the Catholic vote. Voters have a right to be aware of her duplicity and I will do my part to make sure they are.
Voters have a right to know her as a person ...and as a Catholic, she's a damned crappy one who is an epic failure on her "spiritual journey" as I and many others true to our faith, define it.
You either believe AND obey or you don't.
A = A
I noticed you ran from answering MY questions... which is rather amusing since it is your MO to harass and browbeat when others ignore yours.
You claim to be Catholic, in our Church what is the purpose of Confirmation?
In the Catholic Church, what single 'thing' do we Catholics do every single year at Easter Services? Why do we do it?
If you dare answer those questions, (and honestly. .. if you are actually capable of that kind of self scrutiny) then you KNOW your support for that queen baby killer makes you just as much in grave violation of the Church as she is.
When it comes to not knowing anything about the religion you claim to belong to, you take the cake. Confirmation is a sacrament and is part of the journey, like baptism. I suppose you want to conveniently forget this:
Themes of Catholic Social Teaching
The Church's social teaching is a rich treasure of wisdom about building a just society and living lives of holiness amidst the challenges of modern society. Modern Catholic social teaching has been articulated through a tradition of papal, conciliar, and episcopal documents. The depth and richness of this tradition can be understood best through a direct reading of these documents. In these brief reflections, we highlight several of the key themes that are at the heart of our Catholic social tradition.
Life and Dignity of the Human Person
The Catholic Church proclaims that human life is sacred and that the dignity of the human person is the foundation of a moral vision for society. This belief is the foundation of all the principles of our social teaching. In our society, human life is under direct attack from abortion and euthanasia. The value of human life is being threatened by cloning, embryonic stem cell research, and the use of the death penalty. Catholic teaching also calls on us to work to avoid war. Nations must protect the right to life by finding increasingly effective ways to prevent conflicts and resolve them by peaceful means. We believe that every person is precious, that people are more important than things, and that the measure of every institution is whether it threatens or enhances the life and dignity of the human person.
Call to Family, Community, and Participation
The person is not only sacred but also social. How we organize our societyin economics and politics, in law and policy directly affects human dignity and the capacity of individuals to grow in community. Marriage and the family are the central social institutions that must be supported and strengthened, not undermined. We believe people have a right and a duty to participate in society, seeking together the common good and well-being of all, especially the poor and vulnerable.
Rights and Responsibilities
The Catholic tradition teaches that human dignity can be protected and a healthy community can be achieved only if human rights are protected and responsibilities are met. Therefore, every person has a fundamental right to life and a right to those things required for human decency. Corresponding to these rights are duties and responsibilities--to one another, to our families, and to the larger society.
Option for the Poor and Vulnerable
A basic moral test is how our most vulnerable members are faring. In a society marred by deepening divisions between rich and poor, our tradition recalls the story of the Last Judgment (Mt 25:31-46) and instructs us to put the needs of the poor and vulnerable first.
The Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers
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Solidarity
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Care for God's Creation
We show our respect for the Creator by our stewardship of creation. Care for the earth is not just an Earth Day slogan, it is a requirement of our faith. We are called to protect people and the planet, living our faith in relationship with all of God's creation. This environmental challenge has fundamental moral and ethical dimensions that cannot be ignored.
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Fact of the matter is you are not a priest and don't wear a Mitre. Even if you did given your lack of understanding of the religion you claim to belong to, you are in no position to judge any one. Oh this is what the Church says about bigotry and the dignty of a person:
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION
PART THREE, SECTION ONE, CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE 3 - SOCIAL JUSTICE
1928 Society ensures social justice when it provides the conditions that allow associations or individuals to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and their vocation. Social justice is linked to the common good and the exercise of authority.
1929 Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man. The person represents the ultimate end of society, which is ordered to him:
What is at stake is the dignity of the human person, whose defense and promotion have been entrusted to us by the Creator, and to whom the men and women at every moment of history are strictly and responsibly in debt.
1930 Respect for the human person entails respect for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority: by flouting them, or refusing to recognize them in its positive legislation, a society undermines its own moral legitimacy. If it does not respect them, authority can rely only on force or violence to obtain obedience from its subjects. It is the Church's role to remind men of good will of these rights and to distinguish them from unwarranted or false claims.
1931 Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as 'another self,' above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity." No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a "neighbor," a brother.
1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:
Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God's design.
You are just a fat old piece of intolerance who thinks they are the only perfect human who ever lived. You have no right to judge anyone, you probably should work on adhering to the faith you claim.
Glad to see that the Rand connection is getting uncomfortable for you. Maybe if you followed Christianity instead of objectivism, you might not feel the need to judge. True stupid is the intolerance you display every time you utter a sound.
Too bad you had to vomit forth a rule book instead of think for yourself and figure out what YOU know about Confirmation in the Catholic Church.
Catholicsm is NOT a journey... faith may be one, but Catholism is a set of precepts which one agrees to obey. It is not fluid, it is not negotiable, it is not meandering at ones whim. You rule book should have shown you that.
Had you any children who have been confirmed you would know that Confirmation is to purposefully and knowingly accept the promises made on your behalf at Baptism. It is the adult acceptance of the tenets of Catholicism and the adult acknowledgement and promise to live under them. Every single Easter we as adults knowingly reaffirm those promises... at least some of us do.
As a Cathoic I will not to be shamed and demeaned by phony Catholics like you, the queen baby killer, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Dodd, Cantwell, Murray and the rest of the pick and choose phonies and I will stand in judgement of anyone who demeans my faith by purposefully not living up to all its demands.
Rags, Stupid old BIG FAT Fart -
Stupid Old FAT fart -
I would be fat like Rags. -
Rags, poor big fat Rand victim -
You can dish it out fatso, -
You are just a fat old piece of intolerance -
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We always know when you run frightened of the truth, don't we?
AND THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE.
How is the cafeteria Catholic doing? You can dish it out fatso, but you can't take it, can you?
Remember your countless references to little Black Victim? This is what the Cathecism says:
1931 Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as 'another self,' above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity." No legislation could by itself do away with the fears, prejudices, and attitudes of pride and selfishness which obstruct the establishment of truly fraternal societies. Such behavior will cease only through the charity that finds in every man a "neighbor," a brother.
1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:
Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God's design.
Remember calling Blacks, pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers? Careful, your faith is showing.
Now this is what Pope John Paul II said:
MASTER IN THE FAITH
Pope John Paul II
Apostolic Letter Of His Holiness John Paul II To The Very Reverend Father Felipe Sainz De Baranda Superior General Of The Order Of The Discalced Brothers Of The Blessed Virgin Mary Of Mount Carmel On The Occasion Of The IV Centenary Of The Death Of Saint John Of The Cross, Doctor Of The Church....
....4. St. John of the Cross is known in the Church and in the world of culture for many things. He is a man of letters and a poet of the Castilian language. He is an artist and humanist. He is a man of deep mystical experiences. He is a theologian and spiritual exegete. He is a spiritual master and director of consciences. As a master or guide on the journey of faith, he brings light, through his example and doctrine, to all those who seek to experience God through contemplation and through self-sacrificing service to their brothers and sisters. In his elevated poetical production and doctrinal tracts--The Ascent of Mt. Carmel, The Dark Night, The Spiritual Canticle, and The Living Flame of Love--as well as in his brief and pithy writings--The Sayings of Light and Love, The Counsels, and his letters--the Saint has left us a great synthesis of spirituality and of Christian mystical life. Yet from among this rich fare set forth by him, I wish to fix our attention on his central message: living faith which is the guide of the Christian, his only light in the dark nights of trial, an ardent flame fed by the Spirit....
Notice the term "journey of faith" in the text.
Those crazy Cardinals made that guy Pope, the nerve.
All you, as a cafeteria Catholic, want to do is enforce rules against others and attempt to prove how "holy" you are. You don't want to acknowledge the spirituality and the geniune caring for others that is also part of the faith. That doesn't suit your political agenda and it is an agenda.
This final thought, here are some passages from Luke, the great doctor and healer:
" 41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in someone else's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say, 'Friend, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from the other person's eye."
You can dish it out calling others names until some one mentions your fat ass and you go ballistic. You are on very, very thin ground judging another person's faith. It is not your job. You don't seem to be following the doctrines you want to enforce against others, so how about healing yourself, first.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JPMASTER.HTM
Posted by: WVH on May 11, 2008 06:05 PM
Indeed, "spirituality and the geniune caring for others" are part of faith, but they are NOT the most important part and certainly not the most important part of CATHOLICISM. And they most certainly do not trump the respect and reverence of life that the Catholic Church demands of its faithful. You don't actually know much about Catholicism, do you?
When phonies like you and the queen baby killer and the other phonies misrepresent my faith -Catholicism - as something it's not, I WILL judge them, I WILL expose them and I most certainly WILL ridicule them. The Catholic Church, MY Catholic Church, does not need pretenders. The Catholic Church does not need nor want those that refuse to follow its rules. Even Pope Benedict mused that perhaps it's time we have a smaller Church, one of those who want to obey and follow its tenets.
"Maybe we are facing a new and different kind of epoch in the church's history, where Christianity will again be characterized more by the mustard seed, where it will exist in small, seemingly insignificant groups that nonetheless live an intense struggle against evil and bring good into the world - that let God in."The standard argument is that Benedict "wants a more fervent, orthodox, evangelical church - even if it drives people away," as a New Yorker headline put it recently.
Bye-bye baby killer follower and good luck with your Church of Whatever is Expedient.
Hmm..."final thought", now tell us again about the "passages from Luke" and name-calling...
Rags, Stupid old BIG FAT Fart -
Stupid Old FAT fart -
I would be fat like Rags. -
Rags, poor big fat Rand victim -
You can dish it out fatso, -
You are just a fat old piece of intolerance -
You can dish it out fatso -
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AND THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE.
Guess you stopped reading about 25 years ago when your brain cell died. Those crazy Cardinals did it again, this is what the Pope says with his own lips. I assume you still think the Pope is Catholic:
A P R I L 2 0 0 6
Read a condensed version of Pope Benedict XVI's first encyclical, God Is Love. In this first encyclical, Pope Benedict speaks of the love that God provides, which we must turn around and share with others.
God Is Love
Pope Benedict's First Encyclical in Condensed Form
....Love of God, love of neighbor
'If anyone says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 Jn 4:20). The whole context of the passage quoted from the First Letter of John shows that such love is explicitly demanded. The unbreakable bond between love of God and love of neighbor is emphasized. One is so closely connected to the other that to say that we love God becomes a lie if we are closed to our neighbor or hate him altogether.
Here we see the necessary interplay between love of God and love of neighbor which the First Letter of John speaks of with such insistence. Only if I serve my neighbor can my eyes be opened to what God does for me and how much he loves me. The saints--consider the example of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta--constantly renewed their capacity for love of neighbor from their encounter with the Eucharistic Lord, and conversely this encounter acquired its realism and depth in their service to others.
Love of God and love of neighbor are thus inseparable; they form a single commandment. Love grows through love. Love is "divine" because it comes from God and unites us to God; through this unifying process it makes us a "we" which transcends our divisions and makes us one, until in the end God is "all in all" (1 Cor 15:28).
Charity: a responsibility of the Church
Love of neighbor, grounded in the love of God, is first and foremost a responsibility for each individual member of the faithful, but it is also a responsibility for the entire ecclesial community at every level: from the local community to the particular Church and to the Church universal in its entirety. As a community, the Church must practice love.
As the years went by and the Church spread further afield, the exercise of charity became established as one of her essential activities, along with the administration of the sacraments and the proclamation of the Word: Love for widows and orphans, prisoners, and the sick and needy of every kind, is as essential to her as the ministry of the sacraments and preaching of the gospel. The Church cannot neglect the service of charity any more than she can neglect the sacraments and the Word.
Prayer, as a means of drawing ever new strength from Christ, is concretely and urgently needed. People who pray are not wasting their time, even though the situation appears desperate and seems to call for action alone. Piety does not undermine the struggle against the poverty of our neighbors, however extreme.
Faith, hope and charity go together. Hope is practiced through the virtue of patience, which continues to do good even in the face of apparent failure, and through the virtue of humility, which accepts God's mystery and trusts him even at times of darkness. Faith tells us that God has given his Son for our sakes and gives us the victorious certainty that it is really true: God is love! Love is possible, and we are able to practice it because we are created in the image of God. To experience love and in this way to cause the light of God to enter into the world--this is the invitation I would like to extend with the present encyclical.
This condensation is provided to introduce you to the full encyclical, which can be found in Catholic bookstores or online at www.vatican.va.
http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0406.asp
What's next after you leave the Catholic Church, a rightwing death squad?
You don't have that on the Republican side. You have people who will support him because he is a Republican (though he wanted to be Kerry's Vice President). You have people who see him as the "lesser of two evils" but you don't have many who are extremely excited, the kind of excitement that makes one stay out late in the rain waving signs or stuff. You just can't fake such excitement.
Now McCain thinks racism will replace excitement as a motivating energy. Well that just shows that he doesn't get conservatives at all.
Posted by: JK on May 11, 2008 08:17 PMI don't hate "my brother" or even you or even the queen baby killer. I am however thoroughly disgusted with you, especially that you attempt to call yourselves "Catholic" while ignoring the tenets of LIFE.
Clearly you were too busy C & P blogging while the Pope was here giving his message of the SANCTITY OF LIFE.
While Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann prays for Sebelius to come to her senses, I merely pray that phonies like you the queen baby killer and the rest stop defiling the Church by calling yourselves Catholic. That you all would slap the Church rather than obey it speaks volumes on how little respect you have to offer.
Posted by: SAMBO Danneskjold on May 11, 2008 11:25 PMI don't hate "my brother" or even you or even the queen baby killer. I am however thoroughly disgusted with you, especially that you attempt to call yourselves "Catholic" while ignoring its tenets of LIFE.
Clearly you were too busy C & P blogging while the Pope was here giving his message of the SANCTITY OF LIFE.
While Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann prays for Sebelius to come to her senses, I merely pray that phonies like you, the queen baby killer and the rest stop defiling the Church by calling yourselves Catholic. That you all would slap the Church rather than obey it speaks volumes on how little respect you have to offer.
Posted by: SAMBO Danneskjold on May 11, 2008 11:27 PM1. When it comes to copy and paste, there is no one better than you.
2. You are the one who claims to be Catholic and Christian and you are claiming that others are not religious. How would you know?
3. You are a cafeteria Catholic, if you are even religious. You like to pick and choose what you will believe as long as it fits your political ideology. This is what the Pope said: God Is Love. In this first encyclical, Pope Benedict speaks of the love that God provides, which we must turn around and share with others.
The Pope said this:
"As the years went by and the Church spread further afield, the exercise of charity became established as one of her essential activities, along with the administration of the sacraments and the proclamation of the Word: Love for widows and orphans, prisoners, and the sick and needy of every kind, is as essential to her as the ministry of the sacraments and preaching of the gospel. The Church cannot neglect the service of charity any more than she can neglect the sacraments and the Word."
I suppose in your twisted world, the Pope is not Catholic. Now, of the things posted by me, are any NOT Church doctrine? Thought so.
You are a fat piece of lard so filled with hatred of other views and other races that you can't come to terms with the fact the RELIGION you give lip service to only exists in your mind. Perhaps, you ought to read some of the things posted, it might make you less intolerant. Oh, but that would require examining YOUR faith and spirituality. It is so much easier to accuse others, isn't it?
Posted by: WVH on May 12, 2008 08:37 AMThe Church's teaching that direct, induced abortion is always a grave evil has been clear, emphatic, and unwavering.The exact time when the fetus becomes 'animated' has no practical significance as far as the morality of abortion is concerned. By any theory of 'animation,' abortion is gravely wrong. Why so? Because every direct abortion is a sin of murder by intent. It is, to say the least, probable that every developing fetus is a human being. To deliberately kill what is probably human is murder.4
The Roman Catholic tradition is marked by clear, consistent, comprehensive, and firm teaching against abortion in general.6
On the level of morality, Roman Catholicism has always held that the direct attack on an unborn fetus, at any time after conception, is a grave sin. The history of this teaching has been consistent and continuous, beginning with the earliest times and up to the present.7
To summarize, throughout its history, the Catholic Church has resolutely opposed the practice of abortion. From the first recorded condemnation in ecclesiastical writings in the Didache . . . to the most authoritative recent pronouncements . . . we find no authoritative deviation from the doctrine that abortion,
But that's YOUR problem not mine.
You are the one who has to look themselves in the face as you adjust your hair shirt and head off to Mass and you are the one who has to recognize her own hypocriys and "grave sin" when you come home after having received Communuion.
I don't face that quandry because I don't throw my support, my time, my money my allegiance to politicians pously claiming to be Catholic while simultaneously spitting at its demands in defiance.
in 2004, Ratzinger, as cardinal, had written that "pro-choice" Catholic politicians should not receive communion.
"The Catholic Church clearly teaches that abortion is a grave offense against the will of God. Throughout my years as archbishop of New York, I have repeated this teaching in sermons, articles, addresses, and interviews without hesitation or compromise of any kind.
In early June of 2004, from Rome, then-cardinal Ratzinger sent to cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, archbishop of Washington and head of the "domestic policy" commission of the United States bishops' conference, a note with precise indications on the question. Its point is unequivocal: no Eucharistic communion for Catholic politicians who systematically campaign for abortion.
What's also your problem is that you want to change the subject from the fact that a lover of the baby killing queen hypocrite is as much as a "grave" sinner and deserved of scorn as she to the mocking of my practice of faith in that I dare point it out. Your tricks are a joke, sweet cheeks.
you are claiming that others are not religious. How would you know?
Words and deeds, sweetcheeks, words and deeds:
Rags, Stupid old BIG FAT Fart -
Stupid Old FAT fart -
I would be fat like Rags. -
Rags, poor big fat Rand victim -
You can dish it out fatso, -
You are just a fat old piece of intolerance -
You can dish it out fatso -
You are a fat piece of lard -
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You are a big fat phony. I don't think you are Catholic, but just some one who uses doctrine when it suits your politics. You are the one attacking every other person's religion. You are just a big fat A-hole with hot air blowing out of all orifices. No one is denying the Church's position on abortion. You apparently don't want to look at the entire scope of what the Church is teachng because it doesn't align with your political philopsophy. The biggest problem Senator Rossi has is that so many of his supporters are idiots. You came here from another state. Were your views any more accepted there? Thought so.
Go ahead and attack any one that doesn't agree with your perverted view of the church. Guess what dude, we're still members. I might even come sit right next to you in a pew. The Pope said it all and if you don't want to get it, that shows your true religion, doesn't it. You really ought to work on your understanding of church doctrine.
If you focused on your deficiencies, you sure wouldn't have time to be criticizing any one else. Thought about getting that tree out of your eye?
Now, when is Senator Rossi going to announce that he wants Dakota style anti-abortion legislation here? Thought so. So, is he a baby killer according to the gospel of Rags?
FACT 1: The queen baby killer actively supports and is supported by abortion.
FACT 2: You actively support the queen baby killer.
FACT 3: The Catholic Church calls all forms of abortion throughout its entire history a "grave sin".
FACT 4: The queen baby killer and you claim to be Catholic and yet unrepentantly support and are supported by what it deems a"grave sin".
FACT 5: The Pope has been unequivocal: no Eucharistic communion for Catholic politicians who systematically campaign for abortion as they have excommunicated themselves.
The Pope said it all and if you don't want to get it, that shows your true religion, doesn't it.
Guess what dude, we're still members.
Members in "grave sin", certainly not in good standing as defined by the Pope and his absolute unequivical stand on abortion.
I might even come sit right next to you in a pew.
Better yet, let's go to confession. YOU confess your unrepetant support for baby killers and I'll confess harassing and judging you and all other phony Catholics for doing so. We'll see who stands in harsher judgement.
Thought about getting that tree out of your eye?
Words and deeds sweetcheeks, WORDS AND DEEDS.
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Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 10:06 PM
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Hmm, you may just have a bit more to confess than your abortion support...
You do know Tom, don't you?
LMAO
Pope Benedict XVI Condemns Italy Abortion Law, Says It Hurts Women
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
May 12, 2008
Thanking them for their service to "the Church and society", the Holy Father said, "How many human lives have you saved from death! Continue along this path and do not be afraid, so that the smile of life may triumph on the lips of all children and their mothers".
"Respect for life is the first form of justice that must be applied," he said. "For those who have the gift of faith this becomes an imperative that cannot be deferred."
"For those who have the gift of faith this becomes an imperative that cannot be deferred."
Did you get that, sweetcheeks?
"For those who have the gift of faith this becomes an imperative that cannot be deferred."
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on May 12, 2008 07:31 PMYou can dish it out, but you can't take it. So, we are back to Rags, instead of Sambo. I can't help it if you are fat, push yourself away from the table and give the money to support some poor little kid.
Now, when Senator Rossi announces he is all in favor of what is going on in South Dakota and will lead the charge here:
South Dakota to Revisit Restrictions on Abortion
Published: April 26, 2008
Voters in South Dakota this fall will once again be asked to consider a sweeping limit on abortion, the secretary of state announced on Friday. The new proposal is widely seen as a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal.
South Dakota found itself in a similar spot two years ago, when a ballot question on a broad abortion ban turned national attention on the state's 780,000 residents during an emotional and expensive battle that lasted months and ended with the proposed ban's defeat.
One element has changed in the question that will appear on the ballot this November: This time the ban includes some exceptions for rape, incest, or the life and health of the mother. Some South Dakotans said the absence of such exceptions led them to vote against the 2006 proposal, which lost by 56 percent to 44 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26abort.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
So, according to the gospel according to Rags, he is a baby killer and you support a baby killer, shame on you!!!!!!
Now, most political realists would say that he, like Governor Gregoire will uphold the law as written. Most politicians of all faiths do not recognize the gospel according to Rags.
So, when is the announcement that Senator Rossi wants the South Dakota solution here?
Posted by: WVH on May 12, 2008 09:21 PMDear dumbass... that is what's known as a HYPOTHETICAL and unless you have some proof to offer that he has any such intention I suggest you quit lying and libeling. It's fascinating that you have to run from the queen baby-killers associations by making up fairy tales.
It's also telling that you revert to the "uphold the law" canard. We covered that... scroll back.
And no sweetcheeks, it's not the gospel according to me but it IS the word of the Pope... clearly spoken TODAY.
You do remember the Pope, don't you? God's emmisary on Earth and the leader of the Catholic Church?
See, sweetcheeks, the problem isn't the law, the problem isn't Rossi, the problem isn't South Dakota. The problem is a queen baby killer bitch politician who flagrantly spits in the face of the Pope and her church by advocating and being advocated by baby killers... and you.
Nice try at the subject change, sweetcheeks.
Click the links, sweetcheeks. Subscribe to LIFE and learn something about your church and what it demands of you. Give Tom a call and ask him how your support for a baby killer fits in with the precepts of the church... if you dare.
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You can dish it out fatso, -
You are just a fat old piece of intolerance -
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You are a fat piece of lard -
You are a big fat phony -
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Posted by: WVH on May 12, 2008 09:21 PM
Jenny Craig's food is quite tasty, you might try it. I never said that Senator Rossi supported the Dakota solution, what I said is in the gospel according to Rags, any one who doesn't is a baby killer. Now, in the gospel according to Rags Senator Rossi, Governor Gregoire and any one who ever voted for a candidate who is in favor of current laws regarding abortion is a baby killer. Heck, in the gospel according to Rags, you would be a baby killer because you are not out advocating the Dakota law.
This points out is the political posturing on your part. All you are doing is trying to beat people over the head with your very limited reading of the Pope's message. Along with respect for the sanctity of human life is a very real call to make sure that children who are brought into this world have food, shelter, and adequate care. You can't beat anyone over the head with that part of the Pope's message and it doesn't fit your political agenda. So, cafeteria Catholic that you are, you ignore it.
So, Rags, how does it feel to support, according to the gospel according to Rags, a baby killer?
Add this to the list, have you called Jenny yet?
Posted by: WVH on May 12, 2008 11:11 PMYou seem to want to choose your Catholism like you do you Chinese food 1 for column A and 1 from column B... sorry sweetcheeks, it doesn't work that way... no egg rolls, fortune cookies or baby killing with your Catholicism.
You obey the Pope and the Church or you don't. We know what category you baby killer supporters fall into, because the Pope has told us....just today.
I think you might be better suited to the Unititarians... they let you order your "faith" a la carte with no demands.
Call Tom... maybe he can help you with your relativism problem.. and guide you on the arrogance that allows you to think you know better than the Pope. I'll be listening... however, given that I know him, given that he's a member of my parish, given that I've studied Catholic scripture with him, given that I've attented his lectures, given that I know one of his sisters in law, met his wife, met one of his brothers in law, celebrated the adoptions and birth of his daughters and prayed with him, I'm darn pretty confident in what I'll hear him say in reaction to your baby-killer excuses and your disobedience dancing.
Back at you. The Pope's message is not only repect for life in the womb, but respect after the life after it is born. Your objectivist philsophy won't let you recognize the two parts of the Pope's message, respect for life AND care for the welfare of the living. Dude, you can't call people who disagree with you on current laws, babykillers without recognizing the pragmatism of Senator Rossi. Your outrage is political posturing. So, if you want to throw the babykiller label around, aim it at your candidate of choice. He can stand up and support the Dakota solution, but he won't. He is not stuck on stupid and you know it.
If you made abortion illegal tomorrow, there would still be abortions. The law will not change a thing. You really should study the Romanian story and the horrors of that regime. Women have to be persuaded, you don't seem to get that fact. Senator Rosssi, according to the gospel according to Rags is a babykiller. Deal with it.
Posted by: WVH on May 13, 2008 12:47 AM
It's fascinating that you believe killing a baby BEFORE it's born is somehow less a sin than not be attentive after it's born.
A = A. You respect life or you don't.
The Church has been unequivical on abortion. You either obey or you don't. You can parse, you can sass, you can excuse and you can whine all damned day long but the bottom line is you obey or you don't. Queen baby killer, along with far too many other arrogant power hungry phony Catholics does not. With your strident defense and support of that queen baby killer, YOU do not. It's your soul, not mine.
" What makes the governor's actions and advocacy for legalized abortion, throughout her public career, even more painful for me is that she is Catholic."
Pope: Right to Life is 'Non-Negotiable'
http://www.catholic.net/index.php?option=dedestaca&id=133
Well, quite simply, there are no cases in which the Orthodox Church-or the Roman Catholic Church, for that matter-condones abortion. (Nor did the Episcopal Church, in healthier times.) The act is murder, and it is always murder, and there are no circumstances, whatever, in which murder is a legitimate moral option. The deliberate, directly intended killing of an innocent life is a sin that screams to heaven for vengeance. Always, in all circumstances, and with no exceptions.Inasmuch as abortion is the willful taking of the life of the unborn, we are not permitted to do it even to save the life of the mother. Indeed, we are never permitted to commit any sin, for whatever praiseworthy motive. In addition, it is hard to imagine any case in which the death of an unborn child, considered in itself, would save the life of the mother.
Calling ALL Catholics.. obey or don't. Its your soul, not mine.
I'm done with you, baby killer lover. You want to be excused and call yourself and the other baby killers Catholics, you GO FOR IT. You are not kidding those of us who live in faith and OBEY. You choose to live in sin, that is entirely on you.
It WILL be an ever increasingly noisy political issue. Start listening to Catholic radio; start watching for the petitions to Arch Bishop Finger-in-the-wind; start reading the Progress; start watching and reading the other Holy and obedient Bishops of WA.
Gospel: May, 13
"Do you have eyes and not see, ears and not hear?" (Mark 8:14-21)
"There is nothing more harmful to the Church than knowingly allowing the Body and Blood of Christ to be so desecrated and perpetuating the lie that you can be a Catholic in good standing and support abortion," the statement says.
The statement also explains that "the Catholic Church's teachings on abortion are very clear and have been unequivocal for the past 2,000 years: abortion is an 'intrinsic moral evil' that can never be supported. In April of 2003, Pope John Paul II reiterated, in his encyclical Ecclesia de Eucharistia, that those who display unrepentant 'outward conduct which is...steadfastly contrary to the moral norm,' are not in full communion with the Church and must be denied the Eucharist. So it really does not matter what these members of Congress 'feel.' The Church's stance on the matter is very clear."
"As your bishop, I have to say clearly that anyone - politician or otherwise - who thinks it is acceptable for a Catholic to be pro-abortion is in very great error, puts his or her soul at risk, and is not in good standing with the church," Weigand said. "Such a person should have the integrity to acknowledge this and choose of his own volition to abstain from receiving Holy Communion until he has a change of heart."
RESPONSE: All Catholics who reject the Church's moral teaching concerning the evil of abortion and/or advocate or promote abortion rights should not receive Communion until they repent of their position and are restored to full communion with the Church. This is based on the fundamental right to life and, more specifically, the Church's perennial teaching that direct abortion is always a grave offense against the right to life. It is also based on traditional teaching regarding the worthy reception of Holy Communion.
Additional factors come into play in the case of Catholic politicians. According to Church law, they may even be denied Communion if they persist in their public support of abortion rights.
"You can't be both Catholic and por-abortion" - Bishop Robert Vasa of the Baker, Oregon diocese, says a person can't call himself a Catholic and believe that there should be a choice to destroy human life via abortion.
Vasa said it was "categorically impossible for the same person to state that he or she believes simultaneously both what the Catholic Church teaches and that abortion is just a choice."Abortion "is not just a choice and it is not a just choice," the bishop said. "It is an unjust choice which is diametrically opposed to the clear and consistent teaching of the Catholic Church as well as to the clear and consistent teaching of God himself in the Ten Commandments."
"If I truly believe," Bishop Vasa said, "then my actions must be consistent with what I profess to believe. My action must also defend what I believe."
Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
It WILL be an ever increasingly noisy political issue. Start listening to Catholic radio; start watching for the petitions to Arch Bishop Finger-in-the-wind; start reading the Progress; start watching and reading the other Holy and obedient Bishops of WA.
Gospel: May, 13
"Do you have eyes and not see, ears and not hear?" (Mark 8:14-21)
