April 29, 2008
Breaking News: State Can't Handle Convicted Felons

The Everett Herald laments a hole in state policy allowing sex offenders back into the community, saying this requires urgent state action.

It probably does. Though, it's not as if the state has any current track record worth talking about when it comes to keeping convicted felons off the street.

Posted by Eric Earling at April 29, 2008 10:21 PM | Email This
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1. Dino would actually make this a high priority.

Posted by: Michele on April 29, 2008 10:18 PM
2. And Gregoire would expect them to write a book report....

Posted by: TrueSoldier on April 29, 2008 10:43 PM
3. This is actually a winning issue if Dino seizes it. But being the loser he is, he'll choke.

Posted by: FreedomLover on April 30, 2008 12:17 AM
4. Dino would do diddle! Like with everything else he'd pop off with some appropriate rhetoric but no viable and workable solutions. Folks I talk with lately are thinking he is a joke, based on the 'illusions' he's put forth in his latest 'solution to our transportation problems' agenda. He needs to team up with Dorothy, et al and see the wizard about getting some 'reality'. :)
I'm back AM/V...did you miss me and more importantly did you defend Mrs Clinton's honor while I was away - I was counting on you. I hear she may have drawn a step (or two) closer to victory while I was away? Si?

Posted by: Duffman on April 30, 2008 06:02 AM
5. Duffman, apparently you have not been following the Dino Rossi campaign, for if you had you would know that he has already announced plans to shake up both the 'correctional' and the DSHS bureaucracies.
I quote: "I want to make Washington the best place to start a business and the worst place to be a criminal".
As for Governor Gargoyle, she is doing nothing because she comes from the leftist position that you have to look beyond the crooks and their acts as merely the product of their 'environment' and upbringing. The establishment of a 'nanny state' would end all criminality.

Posted by: Bob Clark on April 30, 2008 06:27 AM
6. Allowing sex offenders, particularly the level "3" types, to run loose on our streets is a travesty. These animals, who prey on our women and children, deserve to be caged or destroyed like the rabid dogs that they are. Instead we turn them loose to stalk new victims. Shame on our legislature, "governor" and courts.

Posted by: Saltherring on April 30, 2008 06:58 AM
7. Let's build more prisons. Lock more people up.

Maybe one needs to start addressing crime prevention in the first place than complain about the overcrowding after the fact. This state has been over concentrating on sex offenders, like making gross misdeamers included in registration requirements, yet not addressing the other crimes being committed. Yet, the other crimes have a lot higher repeat rate, compared to things like Second Degree Sexual Misconduct with a minor (RCW 9A.44.096). Do we really need to register and track teenagers who fool around?

Posted by: tc on April 30, 2008 07:21 AM
8. What I found galling about the article, and it could be the way it was written, but why are they releasing Level 3s who have no place to go or means of income?

Level 3s are the most vile and even the most honest of these dishonest people admits they are likely to offend again. John Carlson had an interview with one of the more honest one a few years ago and it was chilling.

Isn't there some sort of parole board to screen who does or doesn't get released? I mean, if Gregoire had better management abilities, that type of checks and balances would already have been setup. Minor crimes- okay, but the more severe- better think twice.

Understand? Methinks the emperor and her supporters have no clothes.

Posted by: swatter on April 30, 2008 07:34 AM
9. The Puget Sound is chummy club and it's unwilling to press charges on "it's own". Having lived here for 20 years, I have observed that the upper middle class offspring are border line criminals who are free to roam the streets.

Take the WTC riots...was anyone put in jail for more than 48 hours? Shouldn't people still be in jail for that rampage?

What about all those people in needle park? How come it's so easy to throw some people in jail, but with native Washingtonians it takes a Federal court order?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/are-blacks-a-criminal-rac_b_8398.html

African American Youth Are Treated Differently By the Juvenile Justice System

* Drugs. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, among youths aged 12 to 17, the rate of current illicit drug use was 11.1 % among whites, and 9.3% among African Americans. [5] In a previous year, the same survey found that white youth aged 12 to17 are more than a third more likely to have sold drugs than African American youth. [6] The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth. [7] However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate (African American 314 per 100,000, white 175 per 100,000) times that of whites, [8] and African American youth represent nearly half (48%) of all the youth incarcerated for a drug offense in the juvenile justice system. [9]
* Weapons. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, in 2001 whites and African Americans reported similar rates of carrying a weapon (whites 17.9%, African Americans 15.2%), and similar rates of carrying a gun (whites 5.5%, and African Americans, 6.5%). [10] African American youth represent 32% of all weapons arrests, and were arrested for weapons offenses at a rate twice that of whites (69 per 100,000, versus 30 per 100,000). [11]
* Assault. According to the Center on Disease Control's annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, African Americans report being in a physical fight at a similar rate (36.5%, versus 32.5% for whites), but were arrested for aggravated assault at a rate nearly three times that of whites (137 per 100,000, versus 48 per 100,000).

Posted by: John Bailo on April 30, 2008 08:25 AM
10. tc
Let's build more prisons. Lock more people up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BINGO!

These people are NOT some teenagers who are fooling around in the back seat of a car.

I'm sick of hearing about the poor crminals and how we don't feel for them!

DON'T BREAK THE LAW.... period.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 30, 2008 08:32 AM
11. We're talking about people who get their jollies ordering people to wear seatbelts or telling them what food they should eat.

When it comes to actual criminals that might harm decent citizens these cuckoos suddenly don their moral relativist hats.

Then they get mad when we call them loons.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 30, 2008 08:51 AM
12. The Gargoyle and her Demoncrats create more crime through seditious malfeasance so they can grow the government, secure their jobs, and take our freedoms, with endless taxes and laws. Pass the stakes, Dino.

Posted by: The Pirate on April 30, 2008 08:54 AM
13. tc - another retarded liberal. How do you do prevention on sick, twisted fuckers who sexually assault people? Answer is you don't except in a liberal fantasy bubble.

Posted by: FreedomLover on April 30, 2008 09:22 AM
14. PLEASE watch your language herein!

Posted by: Duffman on April 30, 2008 09:25 AM
15. Eric,

Can we please get a thread about how the Economy actually grew in 1st quarter of 2008?" Our liberals friends (* COUGH* Cato *COUGH*) are spreading lies that we are in a recession.

Posted by: pbj on April 30, 2008 09:31 AM
16. Yup pbj. I just listened to ABC news grudgingly admit that the economy was growing, and then they launched into a string of interviews with people that claim they can barely afford gas and food.

I certainly wouldn't want to dare claim that the mainstream media was in the tank for the Democrats.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 30, 2008 10:03 AM
17. PLEASE watch your language herein!
Duffie.

Here, here.
__________________________________

Were better than that.

Don't want people thinking were a HA spin off.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 30, 2008 10:04 AM
18. Well liberals have always been telling us we pay too little for gas and that it should cost more - like it does in Europe.

Food prices have gone up because of whacko enviros who want us to make bio-fuels out of corn. Never mind the people in places like Mexico on subsistance wages who now won't be able to afford to eat. Never mind the fact that the amount of corn it takes to make 25 gallons of thanol would feed a human for a year. Never mind facts.

Posted by: pbj on April 30, 2008 11:03 AM
19. Original topic: dangerous sex offenders.

Problem to solve: these creeps being let loose on our streets.

Proposed solution: stop releasing them.

Duh.

All it takes is leadership from our elected officials. Where is it?

Posted by: Jack Turk on April 30, 2008 11:27 AM
20. "Never mind the facts". What a perfect description of what a train wreck liberal ideology is.

It's fun to challenge liberals to name their great successes. You'll actually get answers like "we ended slavery". I think that's the kind of nonsense they get taught in public schools.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 30, 2008 11:38 AM
21. Sometimes leadership from the opposition party would do wonders, and if it is shot down, it is likely the opposition party would grow in stature. Duh.

Posted by: swatter on April 30, 2008 11:40 AM
22. There are a lot of sex offenders that are relaeased from custody down here in Pierce County. Why can't these people be released in Pioneer Square or Ballard, for a change? Why does Pierce County and Tacoma have to be the whipping boy?

Posted by: Politically Incorrect on April 30, 2008 11:52 AM
23. Maybe the Dept. of Corrections is onto something-they just havn't followed thru to completion. Sleeping under a highway bridge has to be a crime (tresspassing?). Turn 'em loose, call the sheriff with their location, arrest 'em for the parole violation & back into lock-up they go.

Posted by: ITK on April 30, 2008 12:01 PM
24. "Problem to solve: these creeps being let loose on our streets.

Proposed solution: stop releasing them."

Oh but Jack you just don't understand how complex this situation is!

(Condescending liberal imitation provided free of charge.)

But isn't that the predictable response of liberals anytime they're confronted with their failures? It's right out of their playbook, whether it's something as elementary as building new ferryboats, or keeping us safe from known criminals.

Point our their failures of leadership and just wait for it... the inevitable condescending garbage liberals spew about how us poor saps that pay their salaries just don't understand the "complexities" of the situation.

I do believe that the "little people" are beginning to understand that liberals are a bunch of self-serving, socialist, incompetent boobs whose record of actual accomplishment wouldn't fill the backside of a postage stamp.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 30, 2008 12:04 PM
25. Got an idea. You know the big temple/compound they just seized down in Texas (where all the apparent incest, etc, et all is going on)...ship 'em all there!...or under Sherrif Arpaio of Az...that'll learn 'em! :)

Posted by: Duffman on April 30, 2008 12:08 PM
26. Politically Incorrect @ 22:

You've hit on something. Since leftists are the ones who want sex offenders released back into society, the state needs to release the worst of this garbage into elitist liberal neighborhoods. Capitol Hill, Vashon Island, Olympia, The "U" District, San Juan Islands, Queen Anne, Beacon Hill, Bainbridge Island, Richmond Highlands, etc. would make fine dumping grounds! I'm certain the limousine liberals would roll out their welcome mats for the poor, downtrodden, misunderstood perverts. And just remember, libs, Gregoire is YOUR queen, not ours!

Posted by: Saltherring on April 30, 2008 12:28 PM
27. Saltherring

DON'T forget Duffie's place! He's one of them lefties too. (-:

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 30, 2008 12:47 PM
28. I have a suggestion. TC can set up a halfway house for all of them in his home. I'm sure he'll be hopping to do it!

Posted by: FreedomLover on April 30, 2008 12:50 PM
29. #27: Please! I may be a Hillary/Christine fan - but I'm also armed....bring 'em on! :)

Posted by: Duffman on April 30, 2008 01:09 PM
30. #27 duff.

Poor answer.

Besides, Kerry said you were a crazy nut in nam so you can't have a CC.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 30, 2008 01:30 PM
31. Gregoire is turning this state into a magnet for people who depend on her goverment for everything, and for criminals who prey on those very people.

She is a lying non-stop thief! Who in four years has turned nearly 2 billion dollar surplus into a 2 + billion dollar defecit.

Rossi HAS balanced Washington State budgets and has my households votes.

4 more years of Gregoire's taxing and spending, no thanks!

Posted by: GS on April 30, 2008 03:45 PM
32. I am willing to wager a bet that making prison a real prison - doesn't have to be Alcatraz style but a real hard one - where criminals are treated like real criminals. If prisons had very little basic amenaties as in no cable, no library, very basic health care, no workout facilities or any recreational stuff like pool tables, lots of hard labor, etc., the rate of repeat offenders would be significantly reduced.

Posted by: DopioLover on April 30, 2008 05:36 PM
33. It's sad to me that people are ok with telling someone who has served their time what to do, purely based on the possibility of what they might do.

Posted by: Andrew Brown on April 30, 2008 05:49 PM
34. Andrew Brown @ 33:

You rape women and molest children and we damn well won't be turning our backs on your sorry ass the rest of your miserable, stinking days. Sex offenders have ruined the lives of countless innocent people and deserve our disgust and distain. All rapists and molesters of young children should be castrated as soon as sentence is pronounced and left to rot in prison.

Posted by: Saltherring on April 30, 2008 09:13 PM
35. So, we waste prison space with non-violent drug users, and then have to let the violent sex offenders get out early?

Insane.

We spend police resources on speeding enforcement and red light cameras because they generate revenue, but then the cops can't help you get your stolen stuff back?

Crazy.

Our law enforcement priorities are all messed up.

Focus on murders, rapes and theft. Leave peaceful drug users alone, and let the private sector run Narcotics Anonymous-type programs to help the addicted.

Get the government out of the drug market, and don't send the US down the road of the surveillance society that Britain has gone down.

America is supposed to be about Liberty.
It is not supposed to be a police state.

Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on April 30, 2008 10:59 PM
36. I say let's propose an initaive that will place all early released felons into the the homes of any state politician (regardless of political party) who votes to release early felons.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on May 1, 2008 01:24 AM
37. like the SEA free drunk apt, place them all in the heart of the pricey SEA condo district; or within 1000 ft of the Capitol or Gov Mansion; or selected legislators' houses;

then watch how fast they are evicted or how fast a "accidental cooking fire" occurs;

i'm willing to pay for more prisons and institutions--keep them away from the populace; period; forget rehab; isolation is the cure--like TB;

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on May 1, 2008 06:25 AM
38. "Please! I may be a Hillary/Christine fan..."
Posted by Duffman at April 30, 2008 01:09 PM

Sounds more like an Oedipus complex to me...

;)

Posted by: Rick D. on May 1, 2008 11:09 AM
39. Andrew Brown,

You have inadvertantly highlighted the crux of the problem.

"It's sad to me that people are ok with telling someone who has served their time what to do, purely based on the possibility of what they might do".

The problem IS in the sentencing. Level 3 sex offenders have officially been determined as "very likely to re-offend". Pyschopaths with a rich history of assault interrupted only by a quick stopover in jail.

Why would such "people" ever be considered to have "served their time"?

And why is this discussion centered on sexual assault and child abuse? Are murderers of adults less dangerous than a sex felon or child abuser?

How about creating a "level three violent felon" designation with lots of tracking and/or plenty more jail and execution time?

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