Beyond the post below, a few nuggets from the Pennsylvania exit poll to consider:
1) Economy dwarfs Iraq. 55% of Democratic voters said the economy was their top concern versus only 27% citing Iraq. Some Democratic activists still hung up on "Bush" and "Iraq" might want to pay attention to that.
2) Obama, minus the new registrants, would have been absolutely crushed. 13% of today's Democratic voters were not registered Democrats in January. They went for Obama 62% -38%. Translation: Obama's strength among young and/or new voters could mitigate his problems with working class whites in a few key states come November.
3) The effect of Operation Chaos is unclear. Some Obama supporters claim the only reason Clinton keeps doing well in big states is because of Rush Limbaugh's efforts to encourage cross-over voting. Well, maybe the exit pollsters didn't get a good Republican sample (or those Republicans interviewed weren't 100% truthful), but what they did interview found 5% of Democratic voters were registered GOP in January. Those folks went for Obama 54% - 46%.
Posted by Eric Earling at April 22, 2008 08:13 PM | Email This "I don't belong to any organized party, I'm a Democrat."
It appears that this will be a Mexican standoff and not help Clinton that much, but she lives to "play another day". Looks like the blood letting will continue for a while longer.
Obama has slipped and his hope is in the young voters. However, it is a fact that he is less inspiring that he once was. His support is shallow and he has accumulated baggage along the way. His politics are apparently similar to George McGovern and Michael Dukakis. The younger generation of this increasingly ADD nation, who have seldom if ever experienced any character building hard-knocks in life could exercise their suspect judgment and elect this guy President. However, the odds are against the under 30 crowd having a profound affect on the General Election.
If Sen. Obama gets elected, it will profoundly demonstrate that we live in the age of stupidity and we collectively get who we deserve - the vermin of the mainstream media would hail this as a great moral victory at the expense of __________(fill in the blanks).
Posted by: KS on April 22, 2008 09:01 PM= Johnny in November 2008
Posted by: Rick D. on April 22, 2008 09:06 PMThe situation is untenable and the Democrat "upper management" knows it. Not much sleep being had in Democrat Leadership Land.
Posted by: JDH on April 22, 2008 09:08 PMYeah maybe the democrats should forget about "bush" & "iraq", but unfortunately for the Republicans "McCain" & "Economy" is just as strong of arguement against the republicans.
Posted by: Lysander on April 22, 2008 09:19 PMThe dems may or may not lose the Black vote. You have those in your party who think Little Black Sambo is a classic work of literature and all Blacks are either prostitutes or drug dealers. A lot depends on what Senator Obama does. If he is part of a brokered deal and is happy with it, then your candidate outreach team who, thinks Blacks are substandard and not human won't make much headway. A lot depends on what deals are offered to Senators Obama and Clinton if there is a brokered convention.
Posted by: WVH on April 22, 2008 11:06 PMWe keep trying to tell them to let go of the racism and get on with the meritocracy, but they will have none of it. It's business as usual with the class warfare and selective racism.
It will be left to Republicans and the rest of non-racist America to elect a real post-racial black candidate at some point in the future. For now, the Democrats are not willing to let go, even if it costs them another election.
Posted by: Jeff B. on April 22, 2008 11:09 PM"We keep trying to tell them to let go of the racism and get on with the meritocracy, but they will have none of it. It's business as usual with the class warfare and selective racism."
Racism is not a province of only one party, race, religion, or creed. Racists come in all flavors. I suppose you missed the thread where a big supporter of Senator Mc Cain and Senator Rossi referred to Blacks as pimps or prostitutes. I suppose you missed the point that Little Black Sambo is a great work of literature?
There are bigots in both parties. Racism is not a function of political philosophy or lack of philosophy. There are principled conservatives whose only requirement for voting for a candidate is that person shares their values and beliefs, regardless of the race or religion of that person. There is also the David Duke variety of conservative who uses the label because if they come out as the racists that they are, they have no hope of participating in the political arena.
Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that it is only the dem party that is racist is one reason why republicans have a difficult time in moving beyond their rural and small town base.
I am awaiting how the tactic of calling all Blacks pimps and prositutes is going to win you more votes of any color.
Perhaps a good read for all Democrats to read would be the book 'Animal Farm' where "all of the animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
Orwell had it more correct than he could ever have imagined.
Good thing you directed that at Barry. If you had asked the question of his wife or/and pastor, you'd get a non politcal response of "No, it isn't!!"
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 06:02 AMTo quote the great Yosemite Sam cartoon character "running away won't save ya!"
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 06:48 AM'She's between Barack and a hard place'
haha...good stuff; is that an 'original' ? :)
Posted by: Duffman on April 23, 2008 06:53 AMI beg your pardon, have you EVER ONE TIME heard me state that I am in favor of affirmative action? AND I am certainly not a Democrat.
Posted by: JDH on April 23, 2008 07:18 AMThe true effect of this is thus hidden from pollsters and the lib media. But Operation Chaos is triumphant again. On to the Indiana front!
Posted by: Steve007 on April 23, 2008 08:10 AMAs Clinton and Obama deftly ginzu each other, chances for a democrat victory are reduced by the day.
I, for one, wasn't all that sure that democrats could screw this up so badly that the 08 election would turn into a punch line for Republicans, but the actions of your heroes and the despicable comments by those such as yourself make that outcome more likely every day.
Posted by: hinton on April 23, 2008 08:28 AMIt's comments like that that reinforce the perception that Limbaugh listeners are mindless robots. If you are going to follow politics, stay informed. Penn was a closed primary, so crossover voting would have been almost impossible to swing the vote since Reps would had to have registered as Dems to have voted. Pay attention. Stay informed.
Posted by: Dave on April 23, 2008 08:30 AM1. JDH you are not the person who loves Sambo, Rags is.
2. Rick D, if there is a troll, it is all the supporters of David Duke, like you. You and your ilk are the reason that this state will remain one-party for the foreseeable future and the republican party is the party of small towns and rural areas. I know you agree with with Rags that all Blacks are pimps and prostitutes.
3. Hinton said this:
"WVH, you have those in your party who believe the Communist Manifesto is THE definitive political and literary work, while they count on furthering the stereotype that all Blacks are either prostitutes or drug dealers."
For SOME conservatives, the only response they EVER have on a comment about race is that the person commenting is something they hate or despise. No, I am neither a dem or pubbie as I think many in the leadership of both parties are idiots. Many voters seem to agree with me which is why there are so many indies. One of Senators Mc Cain and Rossi's biggest supporters, Rags was more than happy to make comments that Little Black Sambo is great literature and Blacks are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers. To his credit, the idiot said what many think. He gets points for honesty. I suppose, the party line is that those of color just are too stupid to know how great the republican party would be for them. Well, your voter outreach leaves a bit to be desired. People of all colors essentially want a decent life and decent government. Folks will never get to the details of what a particular candidate's program is if all that is seen as the face of your party is those who want Little Black Sambo read to every child.
You can't deal with the fact that the republican party has run on a Southern Strategy has its own collection of Robert Byrd clones. Anyone who points that out has to be a liberal, socialist, communist, or gasp, democrat. Right?
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 09:20 AMSo long as there was a Terry Mcauliffe at the controls the ship was able to navigate the very fine channel that this strategy required. The Party leadership is in the hands of the "progressive wing" now, the progressive wing is fixin' to throw a tempur tantrum if their guy, Obama, isn't the candidate in November.
With adult supervision, this would not have happened. This is their worst nightmare, it threatens to tear the Party assunder. The Democrat leadership isn't sleaping well at all.
Posted by: JDH on April 23, 2008 09:27 AMPaging Dr. Dean, Dr. Dean please report to Emergency STAT!!
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 09:45 AMThat would describe American politics in general, where the desire to rack up re-election money is placed before the interests of the voters the representatives they were selected to represent.
Shut up already.
Your race-baiting is tedious and tired.
Posted by: jimg on April 23, 2008 09:51 AMTX was a closed primary as well, that did not stop Republicans from registering as Democrats as one voter put it "for one day only". With the GOP nominee all locked up, changing your party affiliation for a day is as simple as checking a box on a card and putting it in the mail.
2. Neither Dem can win with elected votes. If there is a solution to Michigan and Florida I haven't heard it. The Democratic candidate will win only via Super Delegates. Now what was it the democrats had to say about Florida, the Supreme Court, and the LAST pres election??? Super Delegate is to Supreme Court as Supreme Court is to Super Delegate. (institutional hypocracy)
3. If I am a bitter Pennsylvanian, and I'm clinging to guns and religion as a result, does that mean that Obama thinks they are my narcotic pain-killer? Where do I recall the phrase "religion is the opiate of the masses"???
Democrats are toast. My favorite line from Planet of the Apes - "Ape killed ape!!!"
Posted by: Ubipetros on April 23, 2008 10:01 AM1. There is no perfect organization of any type. Both parties have had a sorry history on race politics.
2. Terry Mcauffile is scum just as Karl Rove is scum. They are cut from the same cloth. Both amoral seekers of power who once they get power have no clue what to do with it, other than retain power. Bush has not been able to slow the budget or government growth. I have never said Bush is an idiot, but I believe he will be ranked lower than his father on the success of his presidency, even though his father only had one term.
3. I believe that it is telling that Bill Ruckelshaus has endorsed Senator Obama in Indiana. He is of Watergate fame. Karl Rove, like Mc Auliffe of the dems wanted to pursue a "permanent majority" strategy which involves turning insitutions of government into partisan tools. Mc Auliffe would do the same thing were he to gain power again. They are both amoral.
Look into the following cases, they are telling about the dangers of amoral people in leadership of either party:
a. Rove's Lawyer Backtracks On Testimony Promise, Hints Rove Will Hide Behind Executive Privilege»
On April 7, Karl Rove's attorney Robert Luskin reportedly promised to MSNBC that, if subpoenaed, his client would testify in the case of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, who went to jail for corruption charges and now says Rove may have played a role in pushing a political prosecution. MSNBC's Dan Abrams reported:
ABRAMS: We asked this question to his attorney: Will Karl Rove agree to testify if Congress issues a subpoena to him as part of an investigation into the Siegelman case? The answer we got -- "Sure."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/18/rove-lawyer-no-testify/
b. There is also the allegation of a partisan prosecution involving a judge in Mississippi. This is one comment on the Rove/Mc Auliffe style of politics:
A Letter to Karl Rove
Posted April 21, 2008 | 03:30 PM (EST)
April 21, 2008
Dear Mr. Rove:
"I write in response to your letter about my coverage of the Siegelman case -- a case we have been covering extensively. Its potential significance to the American justice system extends well beyond the halls of the Alabama Statehouse...."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-abrams/a-letter-to-karl-rove_b_97815.html
Amoral partisans of either the right or left are bad for this country.
"WVH,
Shut up already.
Your race-baiting is tedious and tired."
Posted by jimg at April 23, 2008 09:51 AM
1. Let's see, Rags, a fixture here says that Little Black Sambo is a classic and should be read to children. He says Blacks are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers. Of course, you would never be outraged by his statements because they are all true and not racebaiting, right?
2. This is what the libertarian party says about free speech:
"Against Censorship
We defend the rights of individuals to unrestricted freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the right of individuals to dissent from government itself. ...
We oppose any abridgment of the freedom of speech through government censorship, regulation or control of communications media, including, but not limited to, laws concerning:"
http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-blue-ribbon.shtml
3. Now, Ms Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady said this:
"The communists and the Nazis are merely two variants of the same evil notion: collectivism. But both should be free to speak--evil ideas are dangerous only by default of men advocating better ideas.
The Objectivist Calendar, June 1978"
So, if Ms. Rand would allow collectivists to speak, don't you think all ideas should be allowed in the market of ideas?
What are you afraid of, some folks might agree with me?
I honestly don't know the party history of why the dems have superdelegates. Ivan is a party chair and maybe he knows. My best guess is to prevent another Mc Govern style rout. Ivan would be a better person to answer.
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 10:22 AMLet the one song band play away......cue up the violin.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 10:29 AMIn honor of you, little black victim, I ordered Little Black Sambo from the library... I got an email: ready to be picked up... and ! will as soon as I can!
I'm thrilled the Whorrabillary won! She is dauntless and will not give up - YIPPEE!
Go Whorrabullary go! All the way to August!
Barry O'Bitter can't speak without a cue card.. he stumbles and he fumbles.
Shrill vs Stumbles - what great entertainment!
Kisses, little black victim!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 10:41 AMWhich don't you like
Whorrabullary?
Barry O'Bitter?
Little black victim?
The problem you have is that I've explained the genesis of each and each has aptly and predictably lived down to their clever nicknames.
Oh by the way, have you the same issues when your side refers to the president as a nazi or a monkey? The Pope as a cult leader and serial child abuser? McCain as demented? Limbaugh as a drug addict? Conservatives as "bitter" and clinging to guns and God?
I am singularly unrepentant for immmensely enjoying myself and needling a few liberals as a bonus. I believe your heroine, Whorrabullary, recently repeated some advice: 'If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.'
His base is too small and not expanding.
Posted by: Gary on April 23, 2008 11:00 AMI've got one thing to say to you Duffnuts: Go pound sand! The link above is a series of photos comparing GWB to a chimpanzee, just think of the implications if it had been Barack Obama instead of GWB. Or how about the Oregon College that has a statue of a chimp with the face of GWB on it, how about we cobble one together with Obama's mug on it and place it RIGHT NEXT TO the statue of your hero VIL down in Freemont and see just how it is "just art?"
"His base is too small and not expanding."
Her base will vote likely vote Dem in the fall regardless of the chosen candidate. Just makes the Obama/Clinton ticket all the more likely.
Posted by: Religious Roots on April 23, 2008 11:11 AMPhoto here - http://www.orbusmax.com/
What do you suppose would happen to the first aspiring artist daring enough to put Obama's face on a monkey? Fortunately, we'll never find out -- these days artists are known for their lockstep, left-liberal conformity, not their daring.
His only problem is that he hasn't vanquished the shrill one. She and Monica's boyfriend will go after him and force him to respond to her. It will only escalate (Yippee!)... as it always does with the Clintons.
Whorrabullary has a shot if she can continue to force him to react extemporaneously. Barry O'Bitter can't collect a coherent thought without a teleprompter: "Just let me eat my waffle".... which is actually pretty funny when you remember Slick Willie was called often a 'waffler'!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 11:14 AMI don't know what you did or said, or what he said or did that has caused this flareup, but please, don't vote just for that one reason.
Frankly, some of his comments have been a little over the edge, as has been the duffman. You did pick a difficult topic to champion and I am right there with you, but you, too, are sometimes difficult to understand.
I still think joining a Dennis Prager club would provide you with more challenging and satisfying debate (and it isn't just politics that he talks about).
I just don't like Obama because he is such a dweeb and so full of himself. Al Gore gets to me, as did Huckabee to provide a balance.
Posted by: swatter on April 23, 2008 11:18 AMOff to you, little black victim... do an Ed Sullivan and bring on a "really big show"!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 11:24 AMAmerica will be watching the counterpoint to August.
I don't like the current leadership of either party and a one-party state serves no ones interest. Best example, Louisiana. Governor Jindal has his hands full trying to clean up generations of corruption from one-party politics and political dynasties. Yes, I am basing my vote for governor on the comments of a big supporter of Senator Rossi and the fact that the BIAW thugs investigate, attempt to harass and threaten those with contrary opinions. We have no perfect candidate in the race for governor, but at least Governor Gregoire's campaign doesn't need to investigate, threaten or harass opponents. Nor are they practicing Little Black Sambo politics. I certainly hope Senator Rossi campaigns with Rags at his side.
Right now, your party is based in small towns and rural areas. Demographics are not in your favor as the state urbanizes and becomes more diverse. Thinking people of all races do not feel it is appropriate to practice Little Black Sambo politics, as Rags does. He feel Blacks are pimps, prostitutes and drug dealers. That is the perception of many about your party. People will never get to a discussion of the issues as long as the perception of republicans is they ALL think that Blacks are pimps, prostitutes, or drug dealers. That is really too bad for both this state and country as one-party politics benefits no one.
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 12:07 PM"52. What is it about liberals?
Are they so threatened they see no option but to interfere?
Can they not stand on their own message that they must act to prevent any other?
Or are they simply haters led mindless like sheep?
America will be watching the counterpoint to August.
Well, your voter outreach to expand the base of the republican party is going great guns. The Gregoire campaign would love to have you campaign side by side with Senator Rossi so that you can open your mouth and urge that every parent read Little Black Sambo to their kids and to state how Blacks are ALL pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers.
Senator Rossi, a candidate that Rags finds in tune with his philosophy.
VOTE for Governor Gregoire.
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 12:13 PM
Posted by Gregoire supporter:
"...if there is a troll, it is all the supporters of David Duke, like you."
Posted by WVH at April 23, 2008 09:20 AM
The glass houses theory applies here.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 12:26 PMI wonder, little black victim, did your command of the language come with your PhD?
When you look in the mirror, little black victim, what distresses you more? The fact that evil white LIBERALS created affirmative action or knowing that it was necessary for your PhD?
As you so well immitate the Michelle the angry haridan, I'm betting on the latter.
Kisses, little black victim
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 12:38 PMCan it be that the WELLFARE STATE pays better than a $20.00 an hour JOB!!!
You must have missed my quoting your heroine quoting Truman: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 12:48 PMAs are the highways, byways and airports. I flew (through crowded departure and destination airports) to my recent destination but road-tripped home through California. Even with gasoline over $4/gal there, people were traveling... Napa was packed... and even the back roads were crowded.
BTW, the cheapest gas of our trip was in Oregon.
I shopped in Oregon purposely to deny WA and chrissy's onerous taxes and leadership.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 12:54 PMMy projection for upcoming delegate breakdown, based on latest polls or how neighboring states voted:
(Splits/Delegate breakdowns are Obama first and Clinton second)
Guam - 4 Delegates 50-50 split (2-2)
NC - 115 Delegates, 57-43 split (66-49)
IN - 72 Delegates, 52-48 split (37-35)
WV - 28 Delegates, 48-52 split (13-15)
OR - 52 Delegates, 60-40 split (36-16)
KY - 51 Delegates, 47-53 split (24-27)
PR - 55 Delegates, 52-48 split (29-26)
MT - 16 Delegates, 55-45 split (9-7)
SD - 15 Delegates, 55-45 split (8-7)
Totals: 408 (Obama: 224, Clinton: 184)
Projected Totals (excluding supers):
Obama 1944 (88 away - needs 29% of remaining superdelegates)
Clinton 1774 (250 away - needs 71% of remaining superdelegates)
So, the story line to watch is how many supers Obama gets between now and June 3rd. He could wrap it up on June 3rd without need of a superdelegate convention.
Posted by: tc on April 23, 2008 12:58 PMAnd there it is!
You just really can't stand someone sure of themself. Pride, confidence, not caring what others think nor needing their validation absolutely grates on you. I recently mentioned that when posting (under another psuedonym) at HA, someone excoriated me (in particular) and all conservatives (in general) for that very thing. How dare we know our mind? AND speak it?
What is it you are so afraid of?
In light of that, which of us is truly "independent"?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 01:04 PM'On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married to a lawyer, and a black lawyer who is married to a black bitch who is a lawyer.'
'On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a woman with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.'
'Is there really a contest here?'
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 01:08 PMIf I understand it, which I make no claim to, many super-delegates are elected officials who will again have to face their voters.
A bad example (because he's like McDermott, a can't be vanquished zombie nightmare) but an example none the less would be Massachusetts. Clinton won the popular vote, but Kennedy is pledged to Obama. If she presses the fact of the popular vote Kennedy is in the uncomfortable position of defying "the will of the voters"
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 01:20 PMYes, that same Oregon where it's illegal to pump your own gas....
...unless it's the type of gas that assists you in killing yourself, which is legal.
Logic? where?
Damn that kitchen. where is the heat knob.
LOL
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 23, 2008 02:38 PM...unless it's the type of gas that assists you in killing yourself, which is legal.
I assume you mean the "death with dignity law" which
1) does not come in gas form and
2) you cannot implement without an attending physician.
The logic is clearly there...despite Ashcroft's desire to overturn the will of 60% of Oregon voters.
Just wondering.
turn that knob..
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 23, 2008 02:42 PMWas it her tour bus or a rental? I'm guessing the later since bio-fuel buses are likely expensive and she won't need it after she wins the election.
It's a wonder to me that outright insult and personal attack (Rags, BIG FAT old fart -Posted by WVH at April 23, 2008 12:13 PM ) garners no comment but pointing out a double standard does.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 03:16 PMRemind us, little black victim, what was it share croppers, poor little black children and rappers wore in their hair?
Oh that's right. RAGS.
I will wear it as a badge of honor.
Obama could (and should) take his constituency with him into a 3rd party. Hilly would be left with the detritus of the Democrats -- those over 60.
McCain and Obama would then fight for the center. Maybe a 4th candidate would run for the Social Conservative Party.
Eventually we'd turn into England and elect a Parliament who would wear white wigs.
Posted by: John Bailo on April 23, 2008 03:45 PMDuffman @72:
The quick answer is it doesn't matter what the Republican rules are because the game was set up the current way from the beginning. Everyone started with the same set of rules. It is only Hillary, now, that wants to change the rules because she isn't winning by them. She had her chance last year to state winner takes all when the DNC was drawing up the ground-rules and when states were deciding on their rules (e.g., whether to have caucus or primary). Hillary and her staff are being poor losers when wanting to change the rules after the fact. She is grasping at straws. If she thinks she can win, she needs to show it in the remaining primaries by winning most likely by a 70-75% margin to make of the gap in pledged delegates and popular vote total (excluding states that didn't abide by DNC rules and thus did not have real competitive primaries).
And yes, I also condemn WVH's over the top comments.
I think we can stay within the realm of respectable discourse and still be quite pointed with our words. And it's just so much more effective and eloquent.
For example, you can say that she is using racism and appealing to victim politics as a defense, without calling her "a little black victim." There's a difference.
Posted by: Jeff B. on April 23, 2008 04:32 PMCarry forth to Denver........Riot gear and all.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 23, 2008 04:37 PMAs a black man, I liked Little Black Sambo. Too bad WVH (Wilda-beast) is uncomfortable with her race. Is she really 5 feet tall and 350 lbs?
Why haven't the three stooges, Duff(i.e., inferior/worthless)man, s(Cato)phile, and the Wilda-beast been captured yet? Perhaps we can lure and entrap them with a monosyllabic, gay Che film festival at their continuation high school.
Posted by: The Pirate on April 23, 2008 04:38 PMI stand by my assertion that Clinton will not go quietly into the night; that she and her surrogates will continue to needle Obama in attempt to force him to react and break his word on negative campaigning. That he withdrew from the NC debate will (and probably already has) be used against him loudly and often. PA was ugly... one might even say bitter, and it will only get worse from here.
In the meantime millions are being spent to fight amongst themselves and Howard Dean seems helpless/inept to stop it. The fight will go on, it will be costlier and nastier. The closer it gets to Denver in August the less chance Dean et al has for "healing" time for the party. The scary part for the Dems are the 19-24% of supporters for both candidates that claim they will NOT support the other.
Gonna be HOT in Denver!... could Humpty Dumpty possibly be the 2008 Democrat Convention mascot?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 05:47 PMI am fully capable and willing to be respectful of those deserving of respect but I will not take their crap without reflecting it back at them in spades. If that doesn't fit the mold you want, so be it. I CHOOSE not to be walked on, even in the anonymity of a psuedonym in a blog and ignoring bad behaviour only gives encouragement to the perpetrators of it.... ask the "educator" {/snicker}.
Futhermore, outrageous absurdity is a great way to make a point.... mockery is just plain entertaining!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 06:07 PMI think it's great that you don't back down. And mockery is a very effective tactic, I use it all the time myself. But there's a line when you cross over from mockery in to more vitriol. If you look at your posts over say that last year or so, the vitriol does seem to be escalating. I understand the frustration with WVH, she's like David Matthews in her dogged unwillingness to accept her loss of argument with her weak ideas. But I do think you've been in better, and more effective form in the past.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff B. on April 23, 2008 07:45 PMI shan't spend another ounce of energy even responding to you. -Posted by Duffman at April 23, 2008 07:36 PM
We shall see what we shall see. It seems you've tried and failed at that "threat" in the past... how many times has it been now? Gosh, I seemed to have lost count!
I wonder, if I don't recognize it as a threat, is it much of one?
On topic though: I really feel very excited for McCains chances this year when I thought there was about only a 30% chance of retaining the White house 6 months ago. The Pennsylvania vote catapulted the Democratic race into a full blown 'Donnybrook'/ 'three ring circus' with neither side giving an inch.
BTW, Can we officially place Howard Dean's picture on the side of milk cartons? I've heard of the captain going down with the ship, but rarely do you hear of one retreating to his quarters for the night while his ship is taking on 100 gallons of water a minute. I guess the HMS Dean isn't up to sallying into port in November, which is just fine by me....America will be better off in the long run.
Earlier I mentioned the 19-24% of supporters for both candidates that claim they will NOT support the other. It seems I was off by a healthy 20%! Time claims 43% "of Clinton voters who say they would stay home or vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee in November."
Ouch!
I wonder if duffer is among that number.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 08:39 PM" The Pennsylvania exit poll numbers I found most interesting last night tracked a Gallup poll from several weeks ago - that is the relatively huge numbers of Obama and Clinton supporters who told the pollsters they would not vote for the other candidate in November; they will stay home or vote for McCain. " From the AP:
The animosity between the two camps led more than one in seven Obama supporters to say they would vote for Republican John McCain if Clinton were the nominee. Even more Clinton supporters, one in four, said they would defect.Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 08:46 PM
1. Pirate, you must be the only person of color within miles of Beach Beach. I suppose those tanning salons help, right?
2. Rags, do you have a picture of you and Senator Rossi and would you post it? You have been appointed to the steering committee, haven't you?
Senator Rossi would probably love to have all your great quotes as part of his campaign.
3. Jeff B, guess you haven't read all Ms. Rand's works. She was a fan of free speech, that libertarian thing, you know. David Mathews, really. You must be very insecure, you under 5 feet? Is a Napolean thing?
The only test that really counts is the test of the ballot. The libertarians couldn't get elected to the position of fly catcher, so they have to use the republican party as a host. Problem is the demographics of the state are changing and rural areas and small towns are shrinking. In the Yakima Valley and other wine producing areas of the state are attracting those priced out of Napa and Sonoma, they bring a different political vibe. Even Mercer Island is changing.
So, for you three trapped in at time warp who are yearning for the days of Plessy v. Ferguson, time is passing you by.
Somebody please send in a picture of Rags hugging Senator Rossi, I would love to go doorbelling with that and selected quotes.
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 09:30 PMAt this point she is grasping at the straws of the very fabric of the Democratic party.
I don't think the superdelegates are that stupid, and expect to see them continue to come out of their shells for Obama over the next few weeks before their party implodes.
They don't want this to be a convention decision.
Posted by: GS on April 23, 2008 09:37 PM
LBV, I champion and celebrate your right to say, write or type whatever puerile, hateful insult your "PhD" can conjure.
Go for it sweetcheeks.
Get those jollies where you can.
Rags sends KISSES, LBV
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 09:47 PMStop whining, it just a term of endearment. Oh, have you called Jenny yet? Now, if you have a photo of you hugging Senator Rossi, please post it as it will be useful in doorbelling. Your endearing comments and your picture hugging Senator Rossi will help get Governor Gregoire elected. So, a picture of you and Senator Rossi and the announcement of your appointment to his steering committee will help to endear both of you to the voters.
Posted by: WVH on April 23, 2008 10:13 PMRags, Stupid old BIG FAT Fart -
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Posted by: WVH at April 23, 2008 12:13 PM
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Posted by: WVH at April 23, 2008 10:13 PM
Oh, gosh, do we see a pattern emerging?
Tourettes Syndrome? 'PhD' in Pavlovian response... or a just another "Season of Peeves"?
" I am not offended by another's choice. "
"Shrug, Shrug."
Rags sends KISSES, LBV, and continues to champion your cherished right to emabarass yourself at will.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 23, 2008 11:45 PMIt's just a term of endearment. Oh, don't forget the picture, we want all your endearing comments with a picture of you and Senator Rossi and if you want, I can include your comments in the handout and my response to your endearing remarks. Rags, stupid old BIG FAT fart will be included with your review of Little Black Sambo and the fact that you think Blacks are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers. If nothing else, your handout should make doorbelling, fun.
On another more substantive note, what do you think about the Hon. Bill Ruckelshaus endorsing Senator Obama in the Indiana primary? What does some one like you call him, _______little victim or what?
I am looking forward to hearing his speech at the GOP convention.
Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on April 24, 2008 12:58 PMThe democrat congress has not done anything to help but at least they did not expand government helath care like the Republicans did with the RX drug plan. Or pass unconstitutional limits to our freedom of speech like McCain Feingold.
I am not fan of democrats, my only point is the republicans are not offering us a better alternative (other than anti GOp establishment candidate Ron Paul).
Posted by: Lysander on April 24, 2008 05:52 PM