There is a theme permeating much of the liberal pushback against criticism of Barack Obama's recent Bumble by the Bay, asserting that these individual comments will be old news by the fall...or sooner.
Eh, no.
The issue isn't the comments themselves that are a threat to the Obama campaign, it is the building narrative that the Audacity of Hope is just another condescending, out-of-touch, urban liberal. Adlai Stevenson with sex appeal. Michael Dukakis with a personality. John Kerry with game...basketball that is, not bowling.
Pick your poison, that isn't good.
His refusal to wear a flag lapel pin was odd. His wife's previous lack of pride in her country peculiar. In and of themselves, however, they were nothing.
But, throw in Obama's choice of a family pastor for twenty years as well as his remarks on the effect of small town bitterness and you have a campaign narrative just waiting to be written.
Two recent articles not from the right-of-center universe illustrate this point. The Politico's David Paul Kuhn digs deep into the true, long-term political problem. Meanwhile, The New Republic's John Judis explains the specific electoral implications.
Notable excerpts from the former:
Political attacks work when they reinforce real perceptions. They become narratives when built on enough anecdotes. And those attacks can become critical when they seem to confirm long-held partisan stereotypes.
This is exactly Obama's problem, he ended up playing to a terribly damaging stereotype. That of the smug, coastal liberal, knowing exactly why it is that his foolish, economic inferiors might be so absolutely old-fashioned as to believe in such silly things as the 2nd Amendment and, you know, God. If only such Middle-Americans cretins would be blessed with economic opportunity and more social programs - plus lattes, Wi-Fi, and wine tastings - they would no doubt mature into enlightened, progressive Democrats.
Not quite.
What is always so offensive to regular Americans is the presumption that if she is offered better tax policies she won't care any longer about abortion. And the viewpoint holds from one issue to the next: offer rural white men rhetoric that reminds them that they are working class and he'll accept that the Second Amendment only referred to militias.Then there is the exhibited ignorance. Families who struggle financially care more about moral values because they are more likely to experience the breakdown of the family. In other words, cultural issues are not a substitute for economic concerns, as Obama argues, but inseparable from folks economic struggle.
All of this is exactly the sort of mistake Democrats have been making for decades. How many times can some leading liberals live up to the culturally elitist charge without considering that perhaps there is some electricity behind the charge?
This dichotomy flummoxes urban liberals. Why?
Many liberals get rural America so wrong because, as The Pew Research Center for People and the Press found, not only do "most Liberals live in a world apart from Disadvantaged Democrats and Conservative Democrats," but also rural voters. Pew's 2005 typology study found that liberals are the least religious group, more than one-third are never married, they are the most urban, and the least likely to have a gun in the home or attend bible study or a prayer group. About all they have in common with rural voters is their race, more than eight in ten liberals are white.
Thus, the danger for Obama's hopes in the general election. It is quite possible that his demonstrated ability to bring new, young and African-American voters to the polls in record numbers will provide a strategic margin of victory in key states. Yet, it is likewise possible that an Obama campaign in November could yield results like those of the Democratic primary in Ohio (click on the Buckeye State on this map): a sea of defeat swamping islands of urban liberalism.
By all appearances, however, that point has already been utterly lost on many of his supporters currently residing on those concrete isles.
UPDATE: A related question: Based on the unforced errors Obama has faced the last few months in an intra-party contest, does anyone believe that he can manage the higher scrutiny and pressure of a general election contest without further gaffes and revelations that feed this storyline?
Posted by Eric Earling at April 16, 2008 07:31 PM | Email ThisObama is the black Kerry, minus the experience, minus any time in the military, minus the age, but equally clueless and elitist.
Beyond the fact that he shouldn't have uttered the bitter sentiments at all and that he should never have been involved with a church ran by an anti-American racist bigot, his utter stupidity in failing to immediately take responsibility... responsibility... responsibility for HIS words shows him to be both a coward and intellectually bankrupt. Debate performance aside, given that we now await his NEXT screw up, his empty suit remains empty to the point there are crickets chirping throughout.
These issues have been beat on for so long and so loudly that they have permeated the consciousness of this election.
They are not going to disappear, as much as you would like them to, and they are now firmly engraved on the tombstone of what's left of his woefully short and worthless political career.
And holding you hands over your ears while you close your eyes and sing "lalallalalalalalalala" doesn't change it.
Posted by: hinton on April 16, 2008 08:48 PMAlso: While Eric's ''notable excerpts'' from the Kuhn piece are very good, IMO the best of all was right at the end, where he summarized:
''Where Obama and many Democrats go wrong is describing cultural stances as outcomes of hard times, rather than principled, joyful, well-intentioned, or long treasured family traditions. Reality lingers in both theories. But Democrats too often mention the worst and forget the best, as Obama did.''
My summary comment: Residents of small-town and rural America may have as many if not more gripes about their state and federal governments and their legions of bureaucrats as anybody. But the overwhelming majority of them have ALWAYS been proud to be Americans, REGARDLESS of however many complaints they may have. And they don't live their lives the way they do BECAUSE of their problems, they are what they are IN SPITE of whatever problems they have to confront. The uber-liberals in ultra-rich leftie San Francisco not only don't get that: They haven't got a CLUE.
HAAA !!!..: Kudos to George Stephanopolus:
He just threw the William Ayers ''why were you friendly with a bomber ?'' question at Obama. Obama gave a long answer; that was probably about as good a dodge as he could come up with; i.e.: Essentially saying that just because he met Ayers does not mean he in any way agrees with him or condones what Ayers did. But Clinton had a pretty good zinger in return; noting that Obama didn't just meet Ayers, he served on a board with him. But THEN: Obama had an even better zinger as a come-back; noting that Bill Clinton actually PARDONED 2 members of the Weather Underground...
Great stuff: I sure hope the McCain campaign people had their high-resolution video recorders going. ;-]
FOOTNOTE: Dream on, Duffman....
Posted by: Methow Ken on April 16, 2008 09:03 PMAmerica Hating wife and pastor/mentor + Domestic Terrorist friend William Ayers = Bitterness for the Chicago Chicanery in November. A simple equation also known as bonehead math.
The "Audactiy" Obama writes about is in believing his own hype or as I like to call it "Delusions of adequacy"........meanwhile, every day, the electorate is peeling back that onion exposing him for the fraud he is.
Good luck in your future endeavors senator, your 15 minutes of fame are coming to a close.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 16, 2008 09:12 PMNot in OUR life time.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 16, 2008 09:20 PMWow, even most of the liberals I know don't shop there because it costs so much. All the small town farmers I know would laugh at the idea of shopping at a grossly overpriced natural/organic supermarket.
The best part is there isn't even a Whole Foods in Iowa. The nearest one is in Omaha... over 100 miles away.
Posted by: Mike H. on April 16, 2008 09:35 PMReally, if you are that rich, doesn't that make you part of the elite?
Posted by: WVH on April 16, 2008 09:40 PMAnd I bet that every night when you get what little sleep you get.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 16, 2008 09:42 PMIt's the collective sum total of all of the above, that me thinks is now being cemented in the conciousness of a significant percentage of the electorate by the bittergate detonation.
Bittergate (as in ''all of the above'') will definitely have legs; all the way to November if Obama gets the nomination (as I still expect he will).
Really? I used to live near the one in Roosevelt. It was consistently packed with shopper, much more so than the QFC one block up the street. Despite the nickname of "Whole Paycheck" it seems popular enough to open a store in Bellevue, two stores here in Seattle and a third one is scheduled to go in the Interbay neighborhood. I doubt that would happen if they were not making a profit.
The best part is there isn't even a Whole Foods in Iowa.
I fail to see your point, there's no Piggly Wiggly's here, we have Kroger's but we call them Fred Meyer & QFC. Should he have said Safeway instead? Then the joke would not be nearly as funny.
he was an out of touch, rich, urban liberal with no clue to reality...
Bush seemed very surprised when someone told him gas was close to $4/gal. He's the President, he should he not be aware of how much a gallon of a basic staple costs the American taxpayer?
As for his wife, I found her comments had much more perspective after reading about her college roommate at Princeton.
As for his wife, I found her comments had much more perspective after reading about her college roomie at Princeton.
I love this new elite out-of-touch liberal line, it really shows that the posters here will find just about anything to fault Sen. Obama on. Considering the current President was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has pretty much relied on his daddy for everything he's accomplished. Sen. Obama daddy wasn't there to help him out when he got in trouble, he also didn't get to go to elite prep schools as a kid (unlike Pres. Bush/Sen. McCain).
Sen. Obama appears to be a self-made man who seems to have taken full advantage of every opportunity that he has been presented with. I hardly find that elite, if fact it seems quite admirable.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Ghandi
This election presents a clear choice about the war. I don't know if Rep. Barr, who is running on the libertarian ticket, has a position on the war. I believe that Senator's Obama and Clinton favor drawdown of troops. I believe Ralph Nader wants out and I believe Senator Mc Cain is more inclined to look to the field commanders for direction.
Unfortunately, when many want to say they are against the war, it comes out as against this country. Senators Obama and Clinton are in tune with their base. The question is whether they are in tune with independents and moderates. Most posters here would write in Dracula before they voted for either Seantor Obama or Senator Clinton.
Posted by: WVH on April 16, 2008 10:22 PMNational anthem, hand on his heart, etc. I'll let Snopes.com show that to be untrue.
An award to Louis Farrakhan, he's a loon but he's entitled to the same free speech right as Rev. Hagee who seems very anti-Catholic when he denounces them as "whores of Babylon". How does that reflect on McCain's view of the Pope who is kind enough to be visiting this country? Out of curiosity where does McCain go to church and when was the last time he went? Unlike Huckabee, McCain does not seem to want to talk about his religion at all.
"it just starts adding up in the whole and looks really bad."
Everything starts to look bad when you use false truths to make your point.
Our economy is teetering on collapse, with a hostile foreign nation holding over a trillion dollars of our currency.
The cost of basic necessities such as food and transportation are rising despite increased unemployment statistics and stunning numbers of home foreclosures.
Huge financial corporations are failing, yet they continue to pay astounding salaries and bonuses to those who run them.
Our nation’s standing in the international community is at an all time low.
Our nation’s leaders have not only condoned, but authorized and directed the torture of other human beings for political gain.
Yet we argue over a few words with ambiguous meaning, spoken in the heat of political campaign.
Shame on us.
We are about to get the government we deserve.
I believe many here would write in Lucifer before voting for any democrat.
Many of the Atlas Shrugged groupies or shruggies would probably have no problem in writing in Lucifer, Ms. Rand was a very, very, very interesting lady.
This election will not be won by partisans of either the hard right or hard left. Their positions are encased in concrete. The indies and moderates will decide this election and although, Iraq is not as much front page, it is bubbling under the surface. As Begalia and Carville once said, this election will be about the economy, stupid.
Posted by: WVH on April 16, 2008 10:56 PMShhh, exposing the hypocrisy will get you banned. =P
Bush seemed very surprised when someone told him gas was close to $4/gal. He's the President, he should he not be aware of how much a gallon of a basic staple costs the American taxpayer?
Because President Bush was correct - it was not close to $4/gallon. Please see the historical data to back that up. Gasoline was closer to $3/gallon than $4/gallon, being around $3.00 to $3.30 a gallon at that time (February 28th, 2008)
But I'm sorry, that's using those inconvenient things called facts, and of course your own BDS...
#5: They already ARE paying up. Probably a lot more than you. You should be thanking them for paying most of the tax burden. The top 1% pay 39% of the total tax burden! The top 25% are paying 86% of it. Which category are you? Are you paying your fair share?
Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2008 01:01 AMExcuse me? What's wrong with being in the middle class? Aren't the democrats talking about how they are for the middle class? Then why are they supporting a guy who is a member of a church that looks down on it?? People, what happened to your common sense?? Unfortunately for Obama, he has earned his new nickname "SnObama".
Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2008 01:08 AMNow, they are trying to defend "SnObama," with so many negatives (anti-small town, anti-middle class, anti-semitic ties at his church, not proud of the country, accusing people of clinging to religion because of being "passed by" some presidential administration (amazing statement--he really doesn't get it, does he?). The only real bitterness I've seen is coming out of O's church. "From out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." Listening to Wright, I'm seeing some bitterness, alright. But it's not in Pennsylvania; it's in Illinois. And if you sit and listen to that kind of bitterness every week, you'll soon be bitter if you weren't.
Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2008 01:32 AMObama said, "And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Towards the end Obama mentions anti-trade sentiment, well he should be one to talk. He claims to be against NAFTA and he wants to stop the Columbian free trade agreement. Now whether or not you are for or against free trade, I think this shows just one more level of duplicity from Obama. He makes a statement that makes it appear that you would have to be bitter and frusterated to be against free trade and yet he himself is against it. So either he is bitter and frusterated or he is pandering to whichever group he needs votes from. I will let you decide (and just for the record politicians on both sides of the aisles pander so you Libs out there don't try to dismiss this by pointing fingers elsewhere).
Posted by: TrueSoldier on April 17, 2008 04:28 AMHere's the clincher. Race pimps are starting to scream "racism" every single time someone not black says anything negative about Barack Obama. After Barrack's absurd San Francisco statement about rural people turning to guns and God out of bitterness, some started suggesting that Obama may be just a bit of an elitist. No sooner were those words out of some white mouth than someone else was saying that the word "elitist" is really a code word for "uppity Negro." Give me a break. And then when John McCain had the audacity to make a speech in Meridian, Mississippi; some Obama supporter was blogging on the Internet that McCain's speech was a "dog whistle" for white racists. That would be because Meridian is only 40 miles from Philadelphia - the site of the murders of three civil rights workers in the 60s. By "dog whistle" for white racists, this Obama supporter meant that only whites would be able to discern the racism inherent in McCain's decision to speak so closely to Philadelphia, Mississippi.
It is apparent now that a white person is not going to be permitted to criticize Barack Obama in any way - on any issue - without various race pimps and warlords screaming "racist." People are going to get sick and tired of this real quick. Voters are going to start thinking about what it would be like if Obama were actually in the White House. Would any criticism of an Obama initiative be branded as racist? Think about it --- if merely making a speech in Meridian, MS is racist --- if calling someone an elitist is racists --- I think you can answer that one yourself.
Obama's biggest enemies in this election process will be his own supporters - eager to find and expose racial bias in every utterance. It's already tiring. Quickly it will become unbearable.
AM/V: I don't regard myself as a Democrat per se; I'm a 'person-oriented' voter. I happen to like Mrs Clinton and I like our current Governor but I'm certainly not 'locked-in'.
Posted by: Duffman on April 17, 2008 07:20 AMWow Duffer. Some would take that remark as being sexist since "Mrs." Clinton is also a U.S. Senator.
You closet Misogynist you ;)
F'ing racist.
Posted by: Doc on April 17, 2008 09:20 AMIt is also the Republican party, who has gave lip services to the evangelical community, and yet mocks them behind closed doors (see David Kuo's book).
It is the current President, who was raised rich and came from a rich family, did not have to earn his way into an Ivy league school, and who deferred service in the military by getting Dad's buddy to secure him a no-harm Air National Guard spot, that is out of touch with the people of America. It is the current Vice-President, who thinks he is his own fourth-branch of government and who didn't serve a day in the military, who is out of touch with America.
One of the reasons, I have liked McCain was because he did serve our country. What I was disappointed with him, however, is his sucking up to Bush from 2004 on, just to secure an appointed successor title. McCain should distance himself from Bush as far as possible, if he wants to get elected. Bush will go down as possibly one of the worst Presidents, among the likes of James Buchanan.
As far as the debate last night, I was disappointed with the ABC moderators. If the MSM doesn't wake up and do its job, then it will be replaced. Why do you think young people prefer Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to the MSM, when the MSM puts on a debate and spends almost a full hour rehashing nonsense, instead of talking about real issues people are concerned about.
This continuing tabloid distraction on candidates gaffes and non-political issues is why the public is so disenfranchised with politics in general. It doesn't matter the candidate. They all take after a McCain misspeak, a Hillary exaggeration, or who Obama came in contact upon an occasion in his lifetime. The try to create a controversy about McCain's ties to a certain female lobbyist. They drag out a Bill mistake (why does Hillary continue to let him campaign for her, who knows). It goes on-and-on, ad nauseum.
At least on Obermann last night, Pat Buchanan did raise a substitutive issue about Hillary's expansion of US Foreign policy, which really does need to be addressed as to whether the American people agree with her stance. Hillary stated that if Iran attacks any of the Mideast countries that we are friendly with (e.g., Saudi's, Kuwait, Iraq, Jordan, etc.), not just Israel, under her administration, it would be met with a swift and massive retaliation. She is basically agreeing to a NATO-like, unilateral pact with the Mideast nations. This is way beyond even the current President in reach of Presidential powers. Pat Buchanan is right, this is a Constitutional issue way beyond how far the current Vice-President, John Yoo, and others have already stretched the Presidency (that started under Bill Clintons terms).
This stretch of reach of Presidency that Hillary proposed last night, really scares me. This is what the MSM should be focused on.
Posted by: tc on April 17, 2008 09:22 AMIt's $3.45/gal for Unleaded (Diesel = $4.39/gal) at the Safeway down the road from here...now if I look at the stations by my house it's around $3.65/gal.
The price for a gallon of diesel is at or above $4/gal everywhere in the US.
Random sampling of the price/gallon for Regular Gas:
Hoboken, NJ = $3.07 ($4.33/gal Diesel)
Columbia, Mo = $3.29/gal
Crawford, Tx = $3.31/gal ($3.95/gal Diesel)
Pittsburgh = $3.40/gal ($4.45/gal Diesel)
Arlington, VA = $3.45/gal ($4.15/gal Diesel)
Everett, Wa = 3.55/gal
Los Angeles = $3.75/gal
The price is only going to go up since Oil is at $115/brl and rising steadily. All we need is a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or a war with Iran to easily push the price of Unleaded above the $4/gal mark.
President Bush most certainly seems out of touch with the average working class blue collar truck driver who is paying at least $4/gal for a gallon of diesel to haul goods across the country.
Maureen Dowd uses whatever line Clinton is towing at the moment to write her column. She jumped on the Hillary bus a long time ago. It's not like this is a surprise she's become a mouthpiece for the campaign. Now if Chris Mathews called Obama an elitist, that would be news.
You still posting here pbj? How is your imaginary Jewish brother-in-law taking the news that you're a racist anti-semite?
Actually it is $3.00/gal, the .65 per gallon is all a DEMCORAT tax! Why do Democrats hate the working man? Why do they tax him so? They don't fix viaducts with that money weven though they said they would, instead they build art parks and bike trails in Moses Lake!
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 11:03 AMI see RR, the faux Jew is back. You aren't Jewish at all. I am calling you out on it here and now.
How DARE you say JEW RR, I am DEEEEEEEEEPLY OFFEEEEEENDED!
Schmuck!
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 11:05 AMBS! Please post the link to where John McCain has stated he refuses to ever wear the flag pin. It is the old liberal "tell a lie so many times until it is believed " trick I see.
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 11:12 AMI am really an indie, but I am not a partisan.
This is a partisan site, who knew. Because of that fact, many of the posters here don't do balanced comments of any type. The other side is always evil, bad, or wrong. That is so why so many people are indies now. Partisans would cut off their nose to spite their face. Now let's take some individual comments:
1 a. .33. JDH, you may not know this, but Imus is white. The rules are different.
Posted by Gary at April 17, 2008 08:59 AM
b. JDH said this:
In the words of Neil Boortz:
Here's the clincher. Race pimps are starting to scream "racism" every single time someone not black says anything negative about Barack Obama. After Barrack's absurd San Francisco statement about rural people turning to guns and God out of bitterness, some started suggesting that Obama may be just a bit of an elitist. No sooner were those words out of some white mouth than someone else was saying that the word "elitist" is really a code word for "uppity Negro." Give me a break. And then when John McCain had the audacity to make a speech in Meridian, Mississippi; some Obama supporter was blogging on the Internet that McCain's speech was a "dog whistle" for white racists.
Race comes into it because instead of phrasing critique like Senator Obama could use more experience in certain areas like foreign policy, the comment is he is an "empty suit" and totally without any merit. That is a bit like the partisans jumping on the bitter remark. Could that remark have been phrased differently, of course.
No, the issue is not that one cannot critique another of a different gender, race, or religion. It just depends on the fairness of the critique and what words are used.
2. Regarding the middle class comment. NONE of the potential nominees is middle class, they are all rich. Mrs. Mc Cain is worth over 100+ million and the family is accustomed to a life style that goes with that income, including private jets. Lest you think that that is a criticism it isn't. Mrs. Mc Cain after getting her masters in ed choose to teach in a low-income school in Arizona and has adopted a child from the third world. Unlike many posters here, she has chosen to go beyond her class and upbringing.
The problem is that posters are so partisan that anyone that doesn't drink the Koolaid is labeled.
There are some huge ideological differences between the two parties and the candidates still in contention represent those differences. There are differences in experience because Senator Mc Cain is the senior person running.
So, for the shruggies and others, people who are indies are just that, we don't drink any groups koolaid.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 11:51 AMWhich leads one to wonder if the resident PhD (or so claimed) in Ed has ever done such a thing. Do tell of the third wolrd child you adopted.
"The problem is that posters are so partisan that anyone that doesn't drink the Koolaid is labeled."
Say Mrs Kool-Aid herself!
I have plenty of experience with all types of people. What about you?
As for the labeling, you telling me you are not a huge fan of Atlas Shrugged and that very, very, very interesting lady, Ms Rand?
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 12:14 PMCompared to the Mc Cains, we're all hicks, aren't we?
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So, unless you are in the same wealth bracket as Senator and Mrs. Mc Cain, may I call you fellow hick?
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 12:24 PMYou telling me that I'm not Jewish?
My mother is Jewish and my Rabbi is Jewish, and that when I occasionally go to temple I'm Jewish. I'll be celebrating Passover this weekend, will your imaginary brother-in-law be participating in Seder? I sure hope he doesn't invite a racist harah like you.
Get a clue you little aryan nation loving anti-semite dimwit. What the f**k do you know about my heritage except that your relatives we're likely gassing mine at Dachau you racist prick.
How DARE you say JEW RR, I am DEEEEEEEEEPLY OFFEEEEEENDED
Who the f**k are you to deny my heritage? You are just some moronic little mitromem mizdayen batahat who obviously has nothing better to do than insult my people.
...and if she keeps telling herself that, maybe one day it will be true.
"...many of the posters here don't do balanced comments of any type. The other side is always evil, bad, or wrong.""
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 11:51 AM
Yes, or are called "David Duke" types or Ayn "Rand Disciples" or the vexing "transitional figures" if one dares to disagree with Obama's qualifications for the POTUS position.
"The problem is that posters are so partisan that anyone that doesn't drink the Koolaid is labeled."
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 11:51 AM
Right. This coming from the biggest transgressor of this type of blogging. Oy Vey, it's getting deep in here!
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 12:34 PMPlease post the link to where Barack Obama says he refuses to wear a lapel pin because he hates America.
Looking on Sen. McCain's website I don't see him wearing a flag pin in any of the photos there. How about your boy Dino Rossi?
Don't these "patriotic" GOP candidates care about America and our troops abroad?
Wrong as usual. Only a couple of posters have earned the nickname of David Duke supporter and you are in that select group. Most other posters are extreme partisans, but are not racists. They would actually consider a candidate of another race, religion, or culture if that candidate shared their philosophy. Quite a few here would have voted for Governor Bobby Jindal, for example.
You on the other hand are probably really sad that Duke wasn't running again. You are ONE OF THE VERY FEW I would believe to be a Duke supporter.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 12:45 PMAh yes, Wilda falls back on her old racism charge. Only problem is, she has Zero proof to back up her claims. Archives are your best friend Wilda or aka WVH. What a sad and pathetic sould she must be.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 12:55 PMYou fall back on your habit of subtle intimidation because the fact of the matter is I am spot on with your Duke loving ways. Unlike your supporters the BIAW, I don't have a dossier on you, so I don't know your full name. Even if I did, I wouldn't use it because you have chosen the moniker, Rick D.
The BIAW and thugs like them will lose this election for Governor and I believe that no matter the dem nominee for president, the election will be closer than you thugs can ever possibly imagine.
People don't like thugs who invesitgate, harass, threaten or intimidate and that would be you and the shruggies. Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 01:15 PMFaux Jew that is YOU!
"My mother is Jewish and my Rabbi is Jewish, and that when I occasionally go to temple I'm Jewish. I'll be celebrating Passover this weekend, will your imaginary brother-in-law be participating in Seder? I sure hope he doesn't invite a racist harah like you."
Uh huh. Sure, yup.
"Get a clue you little aryan nation loving anti-semite dimwit. What the f**k do you know about my heritage except that your relatives we're likely gassing mine at Dachau you racist prick."
Wow, lying sure comes easy for you Commies doesn't it? Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised as you are the people who urge your candidates to lie when the truth is embarrassing.
No JEW, I say again NO JEW, and I have Jewish relatives, NO JEW would EVER sign his email "PASTOR BOB".
You are a phony. Cussing like clownstein won't ever change that PASTOR BOB! Get used to NON-JEW! Because THAT is what I am calling you from now on. G'day Pastor Bob you lying racist sack of dung.
....oh and btw, I'm not in a union, so this BIAW tripe you spew is purely a result of your delusional state.
One thing is for certain, you need a job Wilda.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 01:35 PMNever said you were in a union, I did say you support the BIAW thuggery and their attempts to threaten, intimidate and harass.
Don't need a job, got one. So, your next off-topic remark is what?
Shrug, Shrug
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 01:41 PMWhat I saw was nothing like the Obama that all the Liberals are crowing about. He wasn't particularly articulate, he stammered and paused repeatedly when talking about things he doesn't truly believe in (gun rights and lowering taxes, for instance).
It's amazing that Liberals think Bush is such a bad public speaker, when Obama was stopping and stammering through many answers.
Another trait was the repeated jabs at the Bush Administration, the 'current administration', or just 'the administration'...which was then inevitably followed by 'which John McCain is choosing to follow'.
Do Obama and Hillary realize that they're not running against George Bush and Dick Cheney? Do they really think the American public believes that McCain is going to channel Bush in a seance from the Oval Office?
I did enjoy seeing Hillary and Obama say flat-out that they would overrule the Generals in Iraq and pull out regardless - then try to explain how they didn't think that they knew more about the military situation than the Generals. Apparently they don't realize that's why we lost Viet Nam - because the President (LBJ) was controlling the military, even calling for specific bombing missions, from the Oval Office. GWB knows that he doesn't know more than the Generals, and he allows them to prosecute the war. But Hillary and Obama, with no military training whatsoever, just know so much more about the state of affairs of the military operations than the leaders of our great military!
Fact is, the winner of this election will need a majority. Every Republican President since WWII has earned a majority vote (though not in every election). Only LBJ and Carter have gotten majorities from the Dem side - due to the JFK assassination and Watergate, respectively. Ergo, the Democrats need to create a Watergate (Iraq, economy, gas prices, etc) to even have a chance. Most Americans, though, don't buy into that line of thinking, and the Libs just can't figure out why.
Posted by: Larry on April 17, 2008 01:48 PMHave you noticed that when you think the thread is going your way and the shruggies are posting, you address me as WVH, but when you are getting your shruggie butts kicked, then all of a sudden, you address me as Wilda? Ever notice that?
When you were a child and acting stupid, did a parental figure yell out Richard, middle name, D the last name, stop acting like a fool?
Is this thread bringing back memories?
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 01:50 PMCarry on General...
Posted by: Rick D on April 17, 2008 01:51 PMHis refusal to wear a pin ["I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview.] coupled with his wife's hated of the country coupled with his nutty pastor's hatred that he soaked up for 20 year sand still calls UNCLE to this day, those go to show he hates America.
"Looking on Sen. McCain's website I don't see him wearing a flag pin in any of the photos there. How about your boy Dino Rossi?"
Show me where McCain's pastor of 20 years, where he calls him uncle, where his pastor preaches that white people invented AIDS and God Damn America. Bzzzzt you can't do that because it never happened. Quit eht econtrary McCain seved in this nation's armed forces honorably.
John Kerry wears a flag pin. I guess that makes hin a cheap China tin patriot to you too.
As for Rossi, he is not a UNITED STATES SENATOR, but a STATE SENATOR. Now I know you are thick, but go ask you mother about the difference. The flag lapel pin is a tradition in the senate. And Rossi has never said he refuses to wear that pin and he is not running for president.
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 02:00 PMWhoever did the dossier on me, well you need to get the dough back or you are just blowing smoke out of your a$$ as usual. Many self-employed people make their own schedules and you have always known about my education, since you know my name.
Senator Obama has more education than you and he is Black. Governor Jindal, did the impossible and got elected in the home state of your favorite political philosopher, David Duke.
Guess what, all kinds of people have more education and resources than you. On the crucial question of having a good heart, looks like all kinds of folks are ahead of you there as well.
I am sure Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady has a quote that can make you feel better about yourself.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 02:02 PMMy point is this. NONE of the candidates running is middle class or poor. Go ahead and Support Senator Mc Cain, he has served this country admirably. Just don't pretend that most posters are balanced in their comments of any candidate. Senator Obama has put his foot in his mouth as have all cnadidates from time to time. Senator Mc Cain has been in public life the longest and because of his length of experience with all types of media and in all types of situations, I would expect fewer gaffes from him.
There are two very different political philosophies represented by the two parties. Time would be better spent there.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 02:09 PMI have plenty of experience with all types of people. What about you?
As for the labeling, you telling me you are not a huge fan of Atlas Shrugged and that very, very, very interesting lady, Ms Rand?
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 12:14 PM
I have experience with a wider variety or people and cultures than you will ever.
Now please tell us all, have you adopted a child from the third world?
I think you suffer from AynRandophobia. Everyone you see that doesn't follow you lockstep is a "shruggie". Ah what a simpleton world you inhabit. Everyone is either a racist, bigot or shruggie.
Posted by: Drew on April 17, 2008 02:14 PM1. No, I have never adopted a child from a third-world country, have you? I believe the specific comment referred to Mrs. Mc Cain, who although was born to wealth has gone beyond her class.
Just curious, what difference does it make whether I have adopted a child from a third-world country since that was a laudatory comment for Mrs. Mc Cain.
Now, have you adopted a child from a third-world country?
2. Really, how do you know what experiences I have had with all kinds of people through travel and volunteering? I live in a diverse city and take public transport. I attend a vaery diverse church and have friends from all groups.
Now, have you traveled extensively and do you volunteer? Do you live in a diverse city or neighborhood. What about your place of worship?
3. You said this:
"I think you suffer from AynRandophobia. Everyone you see that doesn't follow you lockstep is a "shruggie". Ah what a simpleton world you inhabit. Everyone is either a racist, bigot or shruggie. "
Really, have I called you a racist? As for a shruggie, a couple of posters are such fans of Ayn Rand, that one has chosen a moniker name from Atlas Shrugged, another loves to write about collectivism and objectivism and yet another likes to shrug, shrug everyone. Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady has a very, very, very strong influence at this site.
Kinda makes you nervous that someone is pointing that out.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 02:28 PM1. No, I have never adopted a child from a third-world country, have you? I believe the specific comment referred to Mrs. Mc Cain, who although was born to wealth has gone beyond her class.
Just curious, what difference does it make whether I have adopted a child from a third-world country since that was a laudatory comment for Mrs. Mc Cain.
Now, have you adopted a child from a third-world country?
2. Really, how do you know what experiences I have had with all kinds of people through travel and volunteering? I live in a diverse city and take public transport. I attend a vaery diverse church and have friends from all groups.
Now, have you traveled extensively and do you volunteer? Do you live in a diverse city or neighborhood. What about your place of worship?
3. You said this:
"I think you suffer from AynRandophobia. Everyone you see that doesn't follow you lockstep is a "shruggie". Ah what a simpleton world you inhabit. Everyone is either a racist, bigot or shruggie. "
Really, have I called you a racist? As for a shruggie, a couple of posters are such fans of Ayn Rand, that one has chosen a moniker name from Atlas Shrugged, another loves to write about collectivism and objectivism and yet another likes to shrug, shrug everyone. Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady has a very, very, very strong influence at this site.
Kinda makes you nervous that someone is pointing that out.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 02:28 PM
1. You are the one that brought it up. Mr MCCain has a masters in Ed, you claim a PhD. I guess you can't go beyond your class eh?
2. Yes, I am sure that taking publicn transport makes you a world class traveller and expert in diversity. ROFL. Sorry , couln't help it.
I have both travelled and volunteered. Haow many homes in LA did you rebuild after hurricane Katrina? I worked on 12. I spent 6 months down there working as my own expense.
3. I could care less about what silly epithets you throw. It only reveals the weakness of your argument and the hatred in your heart. And thus the inferiority of your position. Jesus had worse done to him than you can ever do to me.
And therein lies the little black victim motivation.
Oh and just to ratchet up your normal anger, angst and annoyance level, little black victim, our host treated us to a viewing of the 1949 film version of The Fountainhead... screenplay written by Ayn Rand herself... last night. We cheered as your type were humiliated, excoriated and generally made asses of themselves with the tripe they spewed.
Ta, little black victim... oh, by the way... I believe prostitutes and drug dealers have loads of time on their hands and consider themselves "self-employed"... to quote your hero over at HA.. "I'm just saying..."
Foam and froth away, little black victim
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 17, 2008 03:19 PMI was trying to give Mrs. Mc Cain a compliment. I have respect for the lady. I suppose through your lens of hatred, you couldn't see that.
All you are saying is you have a different type of experience than me. That doesn't negate my experiences. Obviously, you don't live in or near a city because many people of all classes don't take the bus, that is why companies are trying to subsidize bus passes so that they can meet their targets.
Since you are trying out for the Mother Teresa award, did you adopt a child from a third-world country as well as your other activities?
Shrug, Shrug.
You ha
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 03:25 PMOnly someone with the most BDS-afflicted Marxist mentality would:
1. Apply prices today to a discussion about then-current prices 3 weeks ago;
2. Consider $3.30 closer to $4.00 than $3.00
3. Talk about the price of diesel when the discussion was about gasoline
in an attempt to somehow twist the universe to fit their warped sense of reality.
Bottom line is that - for all your BDS and infantile logic - President Bush was 100% correct in his statement regarding surprise that the cost of a gallon of gas on March 29 was close to $4.00 nationwide.
Simple FACTS show you are wrong - it's hard to argue with basic math! Unless you like that new math that's all about what you FEEL should be the right answer, not what IS the right answer...
A man of integrity, a man of honor, would admit he was wrong when proven wrong with irrefutable facts, and carry on. So how about it? Any admission on your part?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on April 17, 2008 03:39 PMWeren't you a pirate in one of your lives in the shrug book. Let's see you were fighting against the forces of the IRS and helped folks out with the spies that you had in the IRS, or am I getting the book wrong?
Now, Rags said this:
"Ta, little black victim... oh, by the way... I believe prostitutes and drug dealers have loads of time on their hands and consider themselves "self-employed"... to quote your hero over at HA.. "I'm just saying..."
Foam and froth away, little black victim"
Goodness, it use to be that anyone that disagreed with you was a liberal, socialist, or communist.
You think Little Black Sambo is a classic work of literature and should be taught to children. So, it comes as no surprise that when you think of Black people, they are all prostitutes or drug dealers. And, you wonder why republicans lose elections?
Now, Rags, in the book, other than being a pirate, what else where you famous for?
Weren't you the guy that is so incensed by abortion and especially abortions of little Black babies?
This is what Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady said:
One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives.
Ayn Rand, "A Last Survey -- Part I", The Ayn Rand Letter Vol. IV, No. 2, 1975.
"Ayn Rand held that "abortion is a moral right-which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved." ("Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968, 6) In her view opposition to abortion arises from a failure to grasp both the context of rights and the imposition that child-bearing places on women. As she put it: "A piece of protoplasm has no rights-and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable." ("A Last Survey," The Ayn Rand Letter, IV, 2, 3) These conclusions rest on the distinctively Objectivist approach to the relationship between human nature and rights, so to understand Rand's position we must begin with her distinctive view of rights."
http://objectivistcenter.org/cth--824-Debate_Abortion.aspx
Don't you find that interesting?
Now, you are fond of calling me little Black victim, can I return the favor and call you stupid old fart?
Shrug, Shrug?
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 03:40 PM"Many of the Atlas Shrugged groupies or shruggies..."
Posted by WVH at April 16, 2008 10:56 PM
"Only a couple of posters have earned the nickname of David Duke supporter and you are in that select group. Most other posters are extreme partisans, but are not racists."
... You are ONE OF THE VERY FEW I would believe to be a Duke supporter."
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 12:45 PM
" Rick D., A/K/A Duke supporter,
When you were a child and acting stupid, did a parental figure yell out Richard, middle name, D the last name, stop acting like a fool?"
Posted by WVH at April 17, 2008 01:50 PM
Nope, ol' Wilda AKA WVH doesn't label....
Decry it if you like, enjoy the convenience of deceiving yourself at will... and you do betray yourself when you do,... the fact remains that Little Black Sambo was never a pathetic, ever put upon and whining little black victim.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 17, 2008 03:55 PMNow other than you and the shruggies, who else do I call by their label? What does it take five or six of you shruggies to respond at different times? Really, you shruggies must be scared that the word will get out to all those nice Christian folks who have been supporting the republican party because they thought ALL republicans were like them.
One question, is it true that Karl Rove is an atheist? Just asking.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 03:59 PMWhy you little f**ing racist piece of crap. Would you rather my email be Rabbi Bob? What an email address to lying little Judas like yourself? NOTHING!!
I've more Jewish than any part of you, my grandfather died in f**ing Nazi Germany concentration camp. Likely by the hands of ignorant little racist dimwits such as yourself. Don't tell me I'm not a f**king Jew. You don't know crap about me or my family. Your just a lying sack of excrement who can't spell his anti-Semitic rants properly.
Why don't you go back to your f**ing aryan nation compound you racist anti-Semite douchebag. I hope your imaginary Jewish brother-in-law disowns your little aryan nation loving ass. PBJ, you are an insult to this bulletin board and this nation.
You whore for $$$$$$, so who is your pimp? Isn't that counter to the Friedman theory and also Atlas Shrugged that you would call any capitalist a whore?
So how is the whoring for income going today my Stupid Old Fart friend, also how is the pirate business going today?
Now, you never responded about Ms. Rand's view of abortion.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 04:04 PMSuggestion: Read the DSM IV manual and see how many of the afflictions you have. or just keep shrug, shrugging through life.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 04:11 PMAnd therein lies the little black victim motivation.
Oh and just to ratchet up your normal anger, angst and annoyance level, little black victim, our host treated us to a viewing of the 1949 film version of The Fountainhead... screenplay written by Ayn Rand herself... last night. We cheered as your type were humiliated, excoriated and generally made asses of themselves with the tripe they spewed.
Ta, little black victim... oh, by the way... I believe prostitutes and drug dealers have loads of time on their hands and consider themselves "self-employed"... to quote your hero over at HA.. "I'm just saying..."
Foam and froth away, little black victim
Posted by Ragnar Danneskjold at April 17, 2008 03:19 PM
A man/woman who can speak the truth and not worry about PCness. Preach on, because we all know blacks are the sole problem of all people. LOL Little black victim. More people, on this site, should be honest in their opinions like you. I mean, if more blacks knew how people felt, I think they would just not talk to you. Seriously. Go to all blacks and say...."lil black victim...blah blah blah". What a remarkable world we would live in. Wouldn't you all be happy if the "lil black victim" Obama just left the race for POTUS? This whole post would not exist. Be real and just say what you mean...don't hide it. I applaud you Ragnar, keep up the good fight. COLOSSUS!!
Posted by: Truth in Words on April 17, 2008 04:19 PMI've more Jewish than any part of you, my grandfather died in f**ing Nazi Germany concentration camp. Likely by the hands of ignorant little racist dimwits such as yourself. Don't tell me I'm not a f**king Jew. You don't know crap about me or my family. Your just a lying sack of excrement who can't spell his anti-Semitic rants properly.
Why don't you go back to your f**ing aryan nation compound you racist anti-Semite douchebag. I hope your imaginary Jewish brother-in-law disowns your little aryan nation loving ass. PBJ, you are an insult to this bulletin board and this nation.
Posted by Religious Roots at April 17, 2008 04:00 PM
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My real Jewish brother in law knows all about frauds such as yourself. Cussing isn't going to get you any points here. Go over to HA if cussing is your strategy to win arguments.
No, you are what is known as a FRAUD PASTOR BOB!
No true Jew goes around the internet wearing the holocaust on their sleeve as a weapon to win political arguments. You are angry because you SCAM was found out.
SCHMUCK!
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 04:35 PMYou know nothing about me, little black victim, ... except what suits your victimized imagination and that I acknowledge and celebrate your victimhood and the fact that you are a lousy and phony Catholic of the mouth rather than a true one of practice and faith.
You'll have to get up a whole lot earlier and become far more clever than you are capable to insult me little black victim: It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener.-Atlas Shrugged, 1957
It's been quite amusing to watch, little black victim, as you have abandoned the facade of intelligentsia you worked so hard to cultivate in favor of what is clearly your true nature, one of spite and hatefulness. Tell us, are you wooing Goldy into your pay for play lair? Does his ideological symbiosis net him better rates? You do understand that even pay for play is a celebration of that evil capitalism, don't you? LMAO!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 17, 2008 04:43 PMI gave you irrefutable facts, you don't accept them. You turn them around and accuse me of being some sort of Marxist. You really want to stoop to pbj's level. I don't think you want to go that path.
Talk about the price of diesel when the discussion was about gasoline.
Are you seriously telling me that diesel is not gas? Wow!
President Bush was 100% correct in his statement regarding surprise that the cost of a gallon of gas on March 29 was close to $4.00 nationwide.
Uh huh, you keep telling yourself that. I'm afraid our "elitist" silver spoon President is out of touch with the average American.
Meanwhile pbj seems to be suffering from Obama-delusion syndrome. He can't even get his facts straight about Obama's supposed anti-patriotism.
And Rossi has never said he refuses to wear that pin and he is not running for president.
ROFL, a Governor position can be used as a springboard position for President (Remember Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr. were all Gov's). That's a pretty piss poor excuse for Mr. Rossi not to wear a flag in support of our proud Washington State based troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Especially since he's never served a day in his life.
Maybe you should polish off your own tin star lapel pin before you go around accusing others. You who said that he would be happy to outsource the quality shipbuilding jobs overseas rather than give the to hardworking Americans. Typical of PBJ...the modern day Benedict Arnold. Tell us PBJ, why do you hate hardworking blue collar Americans so much? Is it because you are really just an elitist "expert ferry riding" dimwit who lacks basic math and spelling skills?
He thinks our '"elitist" silver spoon President is out of touch with the average American'. And he states that like he doesn't realize John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton are even MORE out of touch with the average American. Heck, you'd think that Cato doesn't know that John Kerry is a billionaire, and married into all that money. Obama's spoon isn't even silver - it's platinum with gold plating. Oh, but Obama just KNOWS the common man!!
Posted by: Larry on April 17, 2008 05:07 PMI won't.
If it's not PC or whatever the allowed buzzword may be this week... too damned bad. I refuse to play the game, I refuse to sanction their premise.
I DO NOT, however, refuse to mock them, laugh at them, excoriate and highlight their idiocy, duplicity and hypocrisy at every chance, nor do I refuse to enjoy doing so.
Back to my vacation. Ta!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 17, 2008 05:22 PMHer thinking Conservative mother smiled. "Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your feeling liberal father told you about his."
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 17, 2008 05:27 PM
I didn't mention anything about John Kerry, get your argument straight. I've said Obama is more of a representation of the middle class than any of the other candidates are. He may be a millionaire, but he earned his money off a book that he wrote.
His background as a child of a divorced family, raised by a single mother & his grandparents, moved around a lot, went to college, worked hard and got good grades, which allowed him to transfer to a better college, and eventually get into Harvard.
This is hardly an elitist background, this is exactly what conservatives claim as good values. Yet here you are attacking him while defending the silver spoon President who's daddy did all the hard work and he just rode on daddy's coattails all the way to the White House.
And he states that like he doesn't realize John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton are even MORE out of touch with the average American
Nice but I said no such thing. Let's look at the GOP candidates this time around.
Romney, nope. He's a billionaires as well. He's an elitist silver spoon guy like Bush, he also had a nice little Vietnam dodge there much like our current President/VP.
Giuliani? Maybe. Though I don't think average Americans gets a chance to play dress-up and make out with Donald Trump.
Huckabee, likely the most real candidate of this whole election. Always seemed to me very in touch with his base. Even his endless metaphors were something people could see a family member doing.
McCain, maybe...but he's quite the little elitist as well despite his fine service to this country. Maybe you should watch this video...do the people here seem like the average working class of America? I don't think so.
You mean this guy who got caught with his pants around his ankles?
Or like the Catholic Priests who molested children and took communion themselves.
Why does the Catholic God hate women so much that he won't let them be priests? Is the Catholic God sexist?
Does he want us to burn witches and not translate the Bible from Greek or Latin?
Boy I'm glad I'm don't have to listen to the ramblings of some sexist pig in a funny hat who claims he's in touch with God. Ragnar, did you know that in Judaism they actually promote the smart people to Rabbi's and encourage them to breed. Catholic's on the other hand force their smart individuals into celibacy and let them run around molesting young boys.
Gotta love the Catholic Church, it's such a relic of the past no wonder membership is dropping so rapidly. They can't even appoint non-Europeans to be pope, they choose to elect Nazi Pope's instead.
No wonder you are such a fan Ragnar, it all makes perfect sense now. You like the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, ex-Nazi leadership, it fits nicely in with your own narrow minded racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic hating views.
Correct.It was his "typical White" Mother and Grandmother doing that task. The same white grandmother Fauxbama threw under the bus defending his pastor/mentor/hater Jeremiah Wright. The baggage is piling up in Obama's closet and there is still a long time till November.
Wright(America hater) +
Rezko(criminal) +
Ayers(domestic terrorist) +
Michelle O.(hater)
_________________
= Barack Obama
As the saying goes:
"SHOW ME YOUR FRIENDS AND I'LL SHOW YOU YOUR FUTURE!"
I think we've seen Mr. Obama's friends.....with this knowledge being exposed to the electorate, unbeknownst to Sen. OBama, his future is already written...
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 06:45 PMI don't buy it anymore thak you, the Boston Tea Party was America saying no to Over Taxation.
It is that time again in both this state and nationally.
Enough is Enough!
Like providing facts and truth. Cato doesn't like that.
"Meanwhile pbj seems to be suffering from Obama-delusion syndrome. He can't even get his facts straight about Obama's supposed anti-patriotism."
ROFL! You have yet to point to one thing I said that was incorrect. All you do is put your fingers in your ear and say "la la la la I can't hear you la la la" like a third grader.
You are a proven liar, so that you don't accept fact and reality shouldn't really surprise anyone.
"ROFL, a Governor position can be used as a springboard position for President (Remember Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr. were all Gov's). That's a pretty piss poor excuse for Mr. Rossi not to wear a flag in support of our proud Washington State based troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Especially since he's never served a day in his life."
Yet another CATO straw man. Every time someone turns over a rock out comes more creepy stuff about Obama. When Rossi runs for president, then you may have a point.
"> Here is Rossi wearing a flag pin.
I notice you never called Kerry a tin pin patriot.
"Maybe you should polish off your own tin star lapel pin before you go around accusing others. You who said that he would be happy to outsource the quality shipbuilding jobs overseas rather than give the to hardworking Americans. Typical of PBJ...the modern day Benedict Arnold. Tell us PBJ, why do you hate hardworking blue collar Americans so much? Is it because you are really just an elitist "expert ferry riding" dimwit who lacks basic math and spelling skills?"
YAWN! More Cato obfuscation trying to avoid the issue. Typical.
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 07:27 PMNo, Diesel fuel is NOT gasoline. They are both volatile hydrocarbons, but they have much different mixes of hydrocarbon chains. Gasoline is for spark-ignition engines and diesel if for compression-ignition engines.
So, I don't see why you displayed the price of diesel fuel as a retort to Bush's comment about gasoline 3 weeks earlier. Different weeks, different hydrocarbons, like apples/oranges.
Got it?
Stick your head back up there, and come out when you have learned a bit of chemistry, mmmkay?
Posted by: Dave Lincoln on April 17, 2008 07:29 PMAnd YES, Reichert wear the flag pin.
What libs like Cato don't get with Obama, it isn't "oh he didn't wear it today", it is he said basically to hell with the flag. And it isn't just that. It is his wife hate the country. It isn't just that it is his nutty "uncle" pastor that preaches hate of America. It just isn't that is his association with terrorist William Ayers. All together, it spells America Hater.
Now if you come up with the same list of charges against anyone else, we can consider it. But you must provide proof, something you never do.
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 07:35 PMCato can't even do basic math. I am afraid Chemistry is out of the question for him.
Posted by: pbj on April 17, 2008 07:54 PMReally? That's not what the facts reveal.
An exerpt from the article follows:
"Back in Hawaii, Obama's grandparents enrolled the fifth grader in the famous Punahou prep school (current tuition $14,725). With 3,750 students from K-12, it enrolls a high proportion of all the young elites in Hawaii. Illustrative of its financial resources, Sports Illustrated ranks it as having the fourth-best high-school sports program in America...Punahou was quite possibly the most racially diverse prep school in America. It officially opened its doors to all races in 1851. Sun Yat-sen, the first president of China, attended it in the 1880s.
In Obama's eighth grade class picture, at least seven and perhaps as many as ten of the 21 students are non-white. Brian Charlton of the AP threw some cold water on Obama's adolescent alienation fantasies: He was known as Barry Obama, and with his dark complexion and mini-Afro, he was one of the few blacks at the privileged Hawaiian school overlooking the Pacific. Yet that hardly made him stand out. Diversity was the norm at the Punahou School, one of the state's top private schools. His classmates say he was a popular and cheerful figure, the opposite of the tortured personality described in Dreams, in which he rationalizes his teenage drug use as something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind...
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good lie, Cato
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 08:28 PMObama writes: "For my grandparents, my admission into Punahou Academy heralded the start of something grand, an elevation in the family status that they took great pains to let everyone know." Obama (1995), Chapters 3 and 4.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 17, 2008 08:42 PMNot after he saw Our Lady of the Minneapolis Men's Room wearing one in his mug shots. (I know, those images fill you Republicans with pride, and it's totally not GAY Pride, we believe you, yeah, right.)
"His wife's previous lack of pride in her country peculiar."
We now imprison people without trial, torture them for no gain, and lie about it all. No true American feels proud of that.
"In and of themselves, however, they were nothing."
And they will remain so, no matter how much of your time you waste blathering about them.
Posted by: tensor on April 17, 2008 09:38 PM1. Rags, did you say that you were on vacation, I've been working, you know that capitalism thing, I assume you are in favor of capitalism.
2. Now, Rick, that DSM IV is a catalogue of mental disorders. I am not as familiar with mental disorders as you are, but you probably aware of the discussion going on in psychiatric circles as to whether racism is a mental disorder. At this point a racist orientation is not the norm, but not formally classified as the mental disorder, so you aren't normal. Who knew.
The DSM-IV-TR and Culture: Considerations for Counselors.
by Victoria E. White Kress , Karen P. Eriksen , Andrea Dixon Rayle , Stephanie J.W. Ford
I am sure that you probably are familiar with the manual, as your therapist probably went over their diagnosis with you. So how many of the 297 points did you hit, I'm guessing around 200.
3. Dopio is a dope. No further comment needed.
4. Now Rags, you never discussed Ms. Rand's views on abortion. Don't want to interupt your vacation, but why is that?
5. Finally, all of you support Senator Rossi's governor bid.
a. Have any of you been appointed to his steering committee?
b. Does he consider all Black people either prostitutes, pimps, or drug dealers? Care to answer?
You are the face of the Rossi campaign.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 10:06 PMDon't judge the Catholic church or Christianity by some of the posters here. People will claim to be a beliver, but what it really means to them is really between them and God. The bitterness and venom expressed here is really not the example of any faith. For better examples look to Mother Theresa or Pedro Arrupe, S.J.
I suspect that the real religion of many here is the religion of Ayn Rand. The difficulty of the Rand adherents in attempting to claim membership in Chrisitianity centers around her concept of altruism. Theologically, it is difficult to be both a Rand supporter and Christian which is why so many of her followers are atheists.
Christianity is a rich and varied religion and many of the posters here represent the narrower and most bitter slice.
Posted by: WVH on April 17, 2008 10:55 PMWhat does anyones enjoyment of a particular body of literature have to do with the practice of their faith? Are you too damned dense to distinguish the two? Or are you simply too simple to see they are not mutually exclusive? Little black victim you are a fool. You are a hypocritical fool and you have exposed yourself as such, yet again, with your silly word games. No, I don't think you participate in capitalism as there is no monetary reward for one who whores herself for attention.
I certainly won't judge the Catholic Church by you, little black victim, but I will judge you and dismiss your false piety in relation to the precepts of the Church.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 18, 2008 02:12 AMConfession is good for the soul, little black victim. Work on it.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on April 18, 2008 02:16 AM6 hours and 21 posts later....Wilda responds with this:
" @103...Now, Rick, that DSM IV is a catalogue of mental disorders."
Umm yes Einstein, I was fully aware of that before you decided to give a cut and paste from Wikipedia about it. You see, I actually have a University eduction. I would think someone with a doctorate in education would be aware of the manual as well, but then, we both know you aren't a PhD. so let's quit the pretense shall we?
@ 103 "I am not as familiar with mental disorders as you are,..."
The afflicted usually aren't.
Posted by: Rick D. on April 18, 2008 05:26 AM
Nice, I did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Did Jesus decree this or is another made up thing likes the burning of witches? Or stoning people for heresy? Or maybe persecuting people for believing in the notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun?
You going to vote for Sen. McLame there Ragnar? Be careful, the Catholic church may excommunicate you for voting for someone endorsed by the great Rev. Hagee who claims that your church is the "great whore of Babylon".
"What does anyones enjoyment of a particular body of literature have to do with the practice of their faith?"
A lot when you try to force it on everyone through the public education system. You have your own schools where you can go molest small children, keep that sort of stuff in your house not mine.
"I certainly won't judge the Catholic Church by you, little black victim, but I will judge you and dismiss your false piety in relation to the precepts of the Church."
So says the follower of the Church that helped Hitler with his "little jewish problem" by turning their back to the Hollocaust and then turning around and electing a former Nazi to be Pope. So much for diversity and modernity in the Catholic Church.
Rangnar it sure seems like you are a bigot who cannot respect women or individuals who happen to have more melatonin than yourself.
1. Thought you two shruggies supported capitalism and Blacks folks working, guess not.
2. Now, Rick D., that university education was from one of those match book things, right?
3. Now Rick D, you idiot, this is what is know in academia as a cite to a journal article:
The DSM-IV-TR and Culture: Considerations for Counselors.
by Victoria E. White Kress , Karen P. Eriksen , Andrea Dixon Rayle , Stephanie J.W. Ford
Put down the comic book, dude.
4. Rags, you stupid old fat fart, glad you brought up abortion again, you big fat hypocrite. This is what your goddess, Ms. Rand said about that:
This is what Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady said:
One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives.
Ayn Rand, "A Last Survey -- Part I", The Ayn Rand Letter Vol. IV, No. 2, 1975.
"Ayn Rand held that "abortion is a moral right-which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved." ("Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968, 6) In her view opposition to abortion arises from a failure to grasp both the context of rights and the imposition that child-bearing places on women. As she put it: "A piece of protoplasm has no rights-and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable." ("A Last Survey," The Ayn Rand Letter, IV, 2, 3) These conclusions rest on the distinctively Objectivist approach to the relationship between human nature and rights, so to understand Rand's position we must begin with her distinctive view of rights."
http://objectivistcenter.org/cth--824-Debate_Abortion.aspx
Don't you find that interesting?
So, as they say in Scripture, you are complaining about a twig in your neighbor's eye, when you have a log in yours. Love the phoniness of the shruggies.
By the way, fatso, have you called Jenny, yet?
5. Has Senator Rossi appointed either of your two clowns to his steering committe and does he:
a. Think all Black people are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers?
b. Does he think that Little Black Sambo should be read to children?
You haven't answered those questions because you are the face of the Rossi campaign.
Shrug, Shrug.
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 10:23 AMDon't judge any Christian by Rags or his ilk. We don't have to worry about judging in this life. Rags will meet his maker and he will have to answer as will we all.
What I am interested in is whether Senator Rossi has appointed Rags to his steering committee. Rags is quite a prominent fellow. What I would love to do is to tie his quotes about Blacks and Little Black Sambo directly to Senator Rossi and his campaign. So, if you come across info that Rags has a key position with the Rossi campaign, pass it on.
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 10:31 AMWhat you mean is you would like to throw out a totally unsupported allegation and smear through innuendo.
You are the face of the Gregoire campaign.
What's wrong shruggie, you and fatso can't take your own medicine. Stop whining.
You use insults because you couldn't construct a logical argument to defend a position and fatso, well that tub of lard is totally lost. Far from being the pirate, he would probably sink ships with his girth.
Now, has Senator Rossi appointed you or fatso to his steering committee? I hope he does soon.
You two thugs are the face of his campaign and both of you support Little Black Sambo being read to children and both of you think all Black people are pimps, drug dealers, or prostitutes.
Now, the only question is whether Senator Rossi feels the same way?
Oh, you might want to call Jenny for fatso so the tub of lard doesn't have a heart attack.
Shrug, Shrug. Dukie
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 03:51 PMHas Senator Rossi appointed your pals Rags and Rick D. to his steering committee? Since you are a supporter, if you know, does Senator Rossi feel that Little Black Sambo should be read to children and that all Black people are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers? Since you want the record straight, what are the answers?
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 03:55 PMto quote the Great Larry Elder:
"You've just HEARD the word"
Cheers!!
Posted by: Rick D. on April 18, 2008 04:16 PMFor those who aren't in in Rick D's joke, my name is Wilda Heard. Now, how he and the rest of the thugs got my name was by the BIAW trick of investigating and harassing those they consider enemies. So, if I get threatened or knee capped it was because Rick and the boys decided the pen was mightier than the threat.
Now, for those posters still reading this thread there are some key issues that are differences between Senator Rossi and Governor Gregoire.
1. She feels no need to threaten, harass, or intimidate an opponent, she will win on the issues.
2. She would never call an opponent a little Black victim or other ephithet. She is not a racist. Now, she doesn't support the teaching of Little Black Sambo in schools nor does she consider Black people as pimps and prostitutes.
Posters here went 24/7 with Rev. Wright is the brain of Senator Obama, well Rags and Rick D. are the face of Senator Rossi. It is his supporters who feel the need to call folks little Black victims and to intimidate.
So, I guess Senator Rossi has a bit of a Rev. Wright problem, doesn't he. What does he do with his bigots?
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 06:52 PMRick D., and Rags the supporters of Senator Rossi and the face of his campaign.
Drew called me the face of the Greogire campaign, I am one of the faces, all races and religions are welcome. The Greogire campaign is about making this a better state for ALL people, not for giving racist thugs control of state government. If you don't like people who use racial slurs, then you need to get out every one of like mind to get registered and vote. The kind of intimidation that Rick and the boys attempted to use against me would become the mode of operation if Rick and the boys get control.
VOTE FOR GREGOIRE.
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 06:59 PMCheers!
Posted by: Rick D. on April 18, 2008 07:13 PMYou people are a joke. You know who I am so you know I have a history of working with ALL kinds of folks. LOL. Now, as for hatred, that is the province of you and the rest of the thugs.
The fact of the matter is that you shruggies are the ones that don't want to be outed. For the Christian conservatives that regularly read this site, Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady was pro-choice, an atheist who thought religous folk were idiots, and against altruism.
Some church groups have read the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged with the idea of how their themes didn't fit with Christian theology. Some church groups ought to do that again. There is an element in the republican party that are Ayn Rand clones and for those Christian conservatives who feel they are your friends, maybe you should study what Ms. Rand wrote.
Now, as for you and fatso labeling anyone who doesn't agree with your twisted take on religion, maybe you ought to spend more time studying Pedro Arrupe, S.J. instead of Ms. Rand, that very, very, very interesting lady.
http://www.cfj.ie/content/view/205/79/
The voters of this state aren't going to put you thugs in office.
VOTE FOR GREGOIRE
Posted by: WVH on April 18, 2008 07:38 PMHave you ever looked up your own name or email? I have, and I find all sorts of things about me. The same goes with you with your cambridge9009@yahoo.com email address. Your name is prominently shown at http://www.prayerlinksministries.com/Profiles.htm.
He doesn't even know who they are. Seriously, you are delusional if you think either Gregoire or Rossi even visit blogs like this one. If you are looking for characters to support your grandiose theories of persecution, the internet is certainly the place to find them. I hear you can also meet Roger Rabbit, from the movie, over on the Horses Ass blog. Who knew.
Since you are a supporter, if you know, does Senator Rossi feel that Little Black Sambo should be read to children and that all Black people are pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers?
You would have to ask Rossi himself, I am not his spokesperson. I would suspect though that he feels everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some prefer Sambo, others prefer Marx. It is called freedom of speech. We don't have to agree with it, we just have to tolerate it. It is what separates us from banana republics.
Since you are Gregoire supporter, please tell us if she supports removal of free speech for persons that disagrees with a minority person?
What does Gregoire feel should be the punishment for such people? Waterboarding? Imprisonment? Death?
And please tell us all why, after attending a segregated sorority wherein people like you WVH would not be admitted, we should believe for a microsecond that Gregoire has really changed her bias?
Gregoire has a history of racial bias beginning with her attendance of a segregated sorority. Rossi's fraternity allowed anyone of any color to join. So why should people believe that a known racist like Gregoire has changed her stripes? Does she visit the Grand Kleagle, Sen Robert KKK Byrd like Sen Patty Murray? I wonder what they talk about.
Very good question Drew. I wonder if the good Dr. will have an answer? If she is the face of education in Washington schools, this state needs a face lift.......and quick.
Wilda?..... Wilda?..... Buehler?.......Buehler?....
Posted by: Rick D. on April 19, 2008 02:20 PMOr what? You will track her down? She has more balls than you do. I bet she'd kick your cowardly ass from one end of the internet to the other. Come track me down too punk. Because if you keep pulling this crap, I am going to go wait with her and when she gets done with you, I won't be so kind.
I would also like to note for all those "anonymizer" brave hearts, who think they can rely upon a shroud of anonymity to shield them in online harassment, think again. All the anonymizer sites are proxies and they can be subpoenaed, no matter how many hops you use. I doubt skinhead technology if very difficult to break.
Posted by: pbj on April 19, 2008 02:32 PM
A-Wilda outed herself so why are you whining to me?
B-Wilda has been accusing me of racism since I began posting simply because I don't endorse her candidate Obama.
C-Wilda also put her information on-line for all to see so if you want to whine to someone, whine to her.
So when you're done hyperventilating, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why I'm the bad guy here.
Cheers!
Posted by: Rick D. on April 19, 2008 04:25 PMAt this point, I stand as a witness of this threat. She now has a legal case against you and your anonymous proxy web sites won't hide your identity.
At this point, you should apologize.
Posted by: pbj on April 19, 2008 04:57 PMAn apology for what? I revealed nothing but WVH's first name which was previously revealed on this website. I, for one, am tired of being called a racist by someone cowering behind 3 initials........if you don't like
