Remember this warning to keep an eye on SEIU? They're really outdoing themselves now:
In Dearborn Saturday night, at least seven busloads, carrying up to 800 SEIU staff in purple jackets and T-shirts drove up to the Hyatt Regency Hotel where the banquet hosted by Labor Notes was culminating a weekend conference on topics including union democracy, health care reform, and encouraging the resurgent growth of labor.Upon unloading from the buses, the hundreds of picket-sign wielding staff stormed the hotel and pushed their way through doors to break into the ballroom where the event was being held.
While breaking in the building, the SEIU staff, now joined by SEIU staff inside the building, physically assaulted a group of union members and activists at the door.
As Labor Notes themselves noted in a press release: A recently retired member of United Auto Workers Local 235, Dianne Feeley, suffered a head wound after being knocked to the ground by SEIU International staff and local members. Other conference-goers--members of the Teamsters, UAW, UNITE HERE, International Longshoremen's Association, and SEIU itself--were punched, kicked, shoved, and pushed to the floor.
As the SEIU staff broke into the hall, some three dozen CNA/NNOC nurses and leaders, there to attend the conference, including Malinda Markowitz, RN, a member of CNA/NNOC's Council of Presidents, who was scheduled to speak in DeMoro's place, were whisked out the back of the hall for their safety, leaving in vans. The atmosphere was so tense that hotel cooks tried to climb into the vans to join them for fear of their own safety.
Nice fellas, those purple shirts.
Posted by Eric Earling at April 15, 2008 07:27 AM | Email This
Does the union understand how a CEO pay is set?
I bet they don't, because here we go again.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 15, 2008 08:48 AMWith a forthcoming shortage of labor you predict, why would unions thrive? Unions depresss the wages of outstanding performers. Unions thrive in environments of labor surplus unless we're talking government employment.
Posted by: GaryB on April 15, 2008 09:12 AMJust wait till the party conventions.
This is going to be a violent election, judging from the tactics and rhetoric from several directions, not limited to unions, already on the streets in APRIL of election year.
Be prepared.
Posted by: Independent Voter on April 15, 2008 09:54 AMEyman?
Posted by: AP on April 15, 2008 09:59 AMI am here for you, dude. No where have I ever condoned violence. But, you on the other hand have condoned bigotry. I don't condone that either.
Now, this is what Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady would have said about labor unions:
The New Individualist
Current Issue
5/1/2008
Labor Unions
Would an ideal Objectivist society allow labor unions? In essence, I'm sort of confused as to the OBjectivist position on (non-governmentally funded) labor unions: on one hand, people can employ and withdraw their labor as they see fit, yet on the other hand to achieve values by pull is morally wrong....
Answered by Malini Kochhar
An ideal Objectivist society would be one where there would be maximum individual freedom, and minimum governmental functions, primary among which would be preventing the infringement of these individual rights. Such a society would allow for the formal formation of any private groups with common interests as long as they abide by the essential rule of civilized society - non violence. If a set of peaceful people (including workers) comes together for any legal reason, then yes, they are completely free to do so. A union in this sense is no different from any other group of citizens that chooses to organize itself into a formal association. In fact, if the formation of labor unions were illegal, this would violate the fundamental human right to freedom of association.
Although labor unions have been historically associated with violent action plans (non-peaceable strikes, rioting, picketing etc), this does not mean that all labor unions will necessarily be violent. Workers can have legitimate demands that can be lawfully stated. The employer can accept, reject or negotiate these as he sees fit in a society that values individual rights because he faces no personal threats or compulsions. He is protected from the potential use of force by the law...."
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth--1221-Labor_Unions.aspx
The SEIU will probably support Governor Gregoire as the BIAW will probably support Senator Rossi. In politics, it is often pick your thug, isn't it?
Posted by: WVH on April 15, 2008 10:44 AMA monopoly labor union wouldn't but a marketplace of competing unions would!
The new unions will be desperately trying to out do each other to get members as labor supplies dwindle.
Think of Unions as the new Microsoft...only instead of product, they sell Skills.
The Ayn Rand straw man is getting old. Should I start quoting Marx back at you?
"I am here for you, dude. No where have I ever condoned violence. But, you on the other hand have condoned bigotry. I don't condone that either."
Lie. I have never condoned bigotry, whereas you have condoned the violence of the SEIU with your zealotous support for Gregoire and her election stealing thugs that stuff the ballots after the election.
"The SEIU will probably support Governor Gregoire as the BIAW will probably support Senator Rossi. In politics, it is often pick your thug, isn't it?"
So you do support thuggery and intimidation in the election process. Thanks for claering that up for us. You are no "indie", but rather a hardcore leftist Democrat who know how indefensible those positions are, are so you feign "indie" so you can avoid having to defend those positions.
ROSSI is the best candidate to govern ALL the people. Tell everyone to vote ROSSI!
Posted by: Smitty on April 15, 2008 11:27 AMThe objectivist center is operated by disciples of Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady. Ms. Rand, herself, has said that Christianity shares a similiar affliction, in that Disciples of Christ spread his message. I am studying Ms. Rand, but, if the comments were not in line with her philosophy, could you provide cites from her writings?
Posted by: WVH on April 15, 2008 12:16 PMThe objectivist center is operated by disciples of Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady. Ms. Rand, herself, has said that Christianity shares a similiar affliction, in that Disciples of Christ spread his message. I am studying Ms. Rand, but, if the comments were not in line with her philosophy, could you provide cites from her writings?
Posted by: WVH on April 15, 2008 12:16 PMMs. Rand, that very interesting lady is the den mother and spiritual goddess for a generation of libertarians and libertarian leaning republicans, so she is relevant. When you have posters taking their monikers from the charcters in her books, like Atlas Shrugged, she is relevant.
Now, speaking of Straw men, can't you read, I certainly did not say I was for violence and objectivism theory says unions are OK as long as they are not violent.
Now, do you recall any of Governor Gregoire's supporters saying that Little Black Sambo was a classic work of literature or the I am a little black victim? Whose supporters are fond of saying that? So, I guess Governor Gregoire is the best candidate to govern ALL the people.
No, the interresting thing about you libertarians is you are the ones, like the Bolsehviks who want to BAN anyone who does not say what you want to hear. Far from being a hardcore, anything I am a pragmatist and unlike you, will vote for a quality candidate of either party. Care to call me little black victim or is the new gambit, hardcore leftist, socialist, communist or whatever?
Senator Rossi is supported by the BIAW and they are thugs. They investigate, harass, and attempt to intimidate opponents. You support Rossi, then you support thugs, don't you?
Posted by: WVH on April 15, 2008 12:28 PMHere is a nice quote from Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady:
Organized labor has been much more sensitive to the danger of government power and much more aware of ideological issues. Its spokesmen have fought the government in proper, morally confident terms whenever they saw a threat to their rights. (To name a few examples of such occasions: the attempt at labor conscription in World War II, the issue of U.S. contributions to the Soviet-dominated International Labor Organization, President Kennedy's attempt to impose guidelines in the steel crisis of 1962.) Labor's concern was aroused only in defense of its rights; still, whoever defends his own rights defends the rights of all. But labor was pursuing a contradictory policy, which could not be maintained for long. In many issues--notably in its support of welfare-state legislation--labor violated the rights of others and fertilized the growth of the government's power. And, today, labor is in line to become the next major victim of advancing statism.
It was business, not labor, that initiated the policy of government intervention in the economy (as long ago as the nineteenth century)--and business was the first victim. Labor adopted the same policy and will meet the same fate. He who lives by a legalized sword, will perish by a legalized sword.
"The Moratorium on Brains," The Ayn Rand Letter,
Hope that you like it.
"Senator Rossi is supported by the BIAW and they are thugs. They investigate, harass, and attempt to intimidate opponents. You support Rossi, then you support thugs, don't you?"
Gregoire is supported by the SEIU and they are thugs. They investigate, harass, and attempt to intimidate opponents. You support Rossi, then you support thugs, don't you?
Posted by: Smitty on April 15, 2008 12:54 PMTranslation:
I agree with Ayn Rand and her teachings but I read the book once when I was a kid. Therefore I have an excuse (rather than saying I'm an outright coward) not to have a serious intellectual debate that questions my unwavering belief that Ayn Rand is right on every issue.
You support Gregoire and she is supported by union thugs, therefore you support violence. You admitted as much in post 15 wherein you said "The SEIU will probably support Governor Gregoire as the BIAW will probably support Senator Rossi. In politics, it is often pick your thug, isn't it?" in defense of your choice of Gregoire.
"Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady is the den mother and spiritual goddess for a generation of libertarians and libertarian leaning republicans, so she is relevant. When you have posters taking their monikers from the charcters in her books, like Atlas Shrugged, she is relevant."
Really? There is a Smitty character? Sorry hon, but that is a nickname I was given and it has nothing to do with any "isms". So I guess you think CATO is fronm the CATO institute then and AP must really be the Associated Press and Sam Adams must be the 18th century American Revolutionary.
"Now, do you recall any of Governor Gregoire's supporters saying that Little Black Sambo was a classic work of literature or the I am a little black victim? Whose supporters are fond of saying that? So, I guess Governor Gregoire is the best candidate to govern ALL the people."
I do recall Gregoire supporters calling for the death of Jim McCabe (like Islamic terrorists except they call it a fatwah- what do You people call it?) , saying that ALL BIAW people are Nazis and that Luke Esser F's pigs.
So I guess Governor Rossi is the best candidate to govern ALL the people.
I google WVH and I get the following:
User:WVH
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* people preoccupied -- obsessed -- with the temporal
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http://www.wvh.org/
Is the Willamette Valley Hospice - is that OUR WVH??
Then there is http://www.wvh.com/. They are "Moving from San Francisco to Chicago".
WVH is also a file extension for I don't know what, but the URL is http://filext.com/file-extension/WVH
There are also links for Windows Vista HArdware, perhaps our WVH works at Microsoft? Start posting Bill Gates quotes people.
There is also a YOUTUBE video of 'WVH double jumpin' the quad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oez3fiVorM
Whine whine whine, you can't defend Ayn Rand because you're a coward. Yet you follow her every word. How ironic is that.
1. No where did I ever say I supported violence of any kind.
2. Bill C. said this:
"You've got to hand it to WVH. She can distract from and destroy a comment thread better than anyone I've ever seen, with the possible exception of David Mathews.
Well, at least we have advanced from the old days where you called me liberal, socialist, and communist when I said anything that disagreed with you. I suppose that is progress. So, now I am David Mathews.
3. The problem is Ms. Rand, that very interesting lady, is den mother and soul sister for a lot of posters here, you just don't want to acknowledge that fact. The reason is girlfriend was pro-choice and supported abortion. So, you would have to deal with the RINOS who you want out of the republican party. She was also an atheist and thought all religion was a waste of time, so if you support that, how do you deal with Christian conservatives?
All the followers of Ms. Rand want to hide out and the only the argument they can make is "you" are a liberal, conservative, socialist, thug, or David Mathews.
You really don't want to discuss the philosophical den mother of many of you, do you?
So, what's next Mr. C, I kick puppies?
Posted by: WVH on April 15, 2008 09:38 PMYou support Gregoire. Gregoire supports SEIU. SEIU supports violence. Ergo you support violence and thuggery.
WVH..... AHEM.....The topic of the thread is NOT Ayn Rand. It is the SEIU and their thuggery, which you support through your support of Gregoire, who supports SEIU.
So if you would kindly please get back on topic. Thank you.
Posted by: Smitty on April 16, 2008 07:00 AMYou support Senator Rossi, he is supported by BIAW, they harass, threaten, investigate, and attempt to intimidate people. So, I suppose you support that? Many people can play that game. You a thug because Senator Rossi is supported by thugs. Right?
This site is populated by Atlas Shrugged groupies and they are part of one coalition of the republican party. I suppose since the beginning of parties there have been coalitions in parties fighting for control and dominance. The Rand supporters are trying to get control over the republican party and its direction. They just don't want people to understand that. So, for you prolifers and Christian conservatives, maybe you need to get up to speed on Ayn Rand.
Posted by: WVH on April 16, 2008 10:44 AMI am just playing it BACK AT YOU! You STARTED that game with the BIAW thread. You squeal like a pig when the rules you propose are applied to YOU. That confirms that you are definitely a liberal!
"This site is populated by Atlas Shrugged groupies and they are part of one coalition of the republican party. I suppose since the beginning of parties there have been coalitions in parties fighting for control and dominance. The Rand supporters are trying to get control over the republican party and its direction. They just don't want people to understand that. So, for you prolifers and Christian conservatives, maybe you need to get up to speed on Ayn Rand."
What the?? HUH? Trying to distract from the fact the SEIU are thugs eh?
Re-Elect Governor ROSSI. Once the pretender is out, the REAL governor will work for ALL the people. Tell everyone you know.
"Eyman?"
Nope. Too much money would be spent against it. Bad for business. Eyman only bets on sure things these days.
Posted by: Ranger on April 16, 2008 07:57 PMDon't squeal like a pig, just pointing out that you prefer your thugs over, as you describe the SEIU, Governor Gregoire's thugs. That is your right, just don't be partisan and claim that BIAW is not a bunch of thugs. You just perfer your type of thug.
The beauty of the American system is we settle things by a peaceful election. Unlike you, if Senator Rossi wins, I will address him as Governor Rossi. You, on the other hand will be calling Governor Gregoire, the Empress. I guess she will be promoted with a second term.
Now, all I have said about your fellow Atlas Shrugged groupies, are they shruggies, is that Christian conservatives ought to read up on Ms. Rand, she is one interesting lady.
So, hope you are not too upset when Governor Gregoire gets re-elected.
Posted by: WVH on April 16, 2008 09:34 PMYou are the squealing pig. Perhaps instead of picking your thug, your should examine issues? Of course when your thugs are the ones counting the votes I guess that kind of settles it in favor of the Democrats for you doesn't it?
"Now, all I have said about your fellow Atlas Shrugged groupies, are they shruggies, is that Christian conservatives ought to read up on Ms. Rand, she is one interesting lady."
I really don't know why you have this unnatural obsession with Ayn Rand. And I am not going to push some crazy theory of a lesbian attraction you may have with her, so please don't even go there.
"The beauty of the American system is we settle things by a peaceful election. Unlike you, if Senator Rossi wins, I will address him as Governor Rossi. You, on the other hand will be calling Governor Gregoire, the Empress. I guess she will be promoted with a second term."
Well if it is another selection, don't expect it to be peaceful. The Ukraine had elections, we had a selection.
"So, hope you are not too upset when Governor Gregoire gets re-elected."
She can be re-selected or ejected, but not re-elected. One must be elected once and then when they are elected again, that is re-elected.
Posted by: Smitty on April 17, 2008 12:20 AM